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MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 02:26:09
May 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#661
I want to see cruncher mutilated in this series at the hands of July.

Just sayin'.

On May 06 2011 11:25 izgodlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 11:21 Daniel C wrote:
On May 06 2011 11:20 AimForTheBushes wrote:
no talk of muta harass cheese? TL can be so weird, sometimes.
WP by DarkForce, and good fighting spirit from iNc


muta is a harass unit...

Then it's pretty sad how the mutas raped the stalker/senty in a head on battle.

bad units beat good units when there's a lot more of them
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
May 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#662
On May 06 2011 11:15 Unnamed Player wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 11:10 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 06 2011 11:07 Unnamed Player wrote:
On May 06 2011 11:05 rolfe wrote:
On May 06 2011 11:03 Unnamed Player wrote:
Incontrol without his gimmicks (DT's) is just average compared to top players.

Love seeing balanced players beating cheesey or gimmicky players.

Restores some of my faith in SC2.

gimics? when a base trade situations looks like its happening DTs are pretty much standard, incontrol took out the capacity to detect and therefore went for cloaked units. they worked and did a lot of damage. it was an excellent decision


Not disputing that it was a good strategy.

However incontrol wins more games agaisnt GOOD players with gimmicky play, rather than balanced play.

I doubt there is a high rated toss that uses dt's more than him.

There is a reason for that.


Just stop. He doesn't do gimmicky play, he does builds and play that punish his opponent. Just like in MLG against TLO, when he built the pylon in TLO's base. You call that gimmicky, I call that punishing the opponent for making a mistake.


You can call it whatever you like.

My point is that he loses to GOOD players way more than he wins when he plays standard balanced play.

When he uses gimmicks or cheese he tends to win.

This makes him an inferior player., albeit still a good one.

Of course he has lots of followers so my views will not be received well.





Going DT's when you've just killed your opponents lair and evo chamber is not a 'gimmick' it's called being a 'good player'. I don't think Inc is the best player in the tourney by any means but I'd definitely put him on the same level as most of the people he's beaten, except maybe ensnare.



Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
May 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#663
So many zvp's today i like i like, so far zergs on top by 1 game, hoping july can pull through against the evil villain cruncher
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
Sylverin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States480 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 02:26:34
May 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#664
DT's are not cheese
Banshee's are not cheese
a pylon hidden in the opponent's main is not cheese
they are strategies and are 100% legit are not all ins and don't happen without good economy if you dont scout at all you lose to this just like cheese but the difference is that there is no loss in economy for them at least to me that is the definition of cheese. every race has the ability to have detection by 7 minutes there is no excuse if you lose to them.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#665
On May 06 2011 11:24 Daniel C wrote:
Who thinks Cruncher is going to go 200/200 voidray colossus?


i think hes going to die before that

this is july, not idra. this isnt going to go to max
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
May 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#666
On May 06 2011 11:24 Daniel C wrote:
Who thinks Cruncher is going to go 200/200 voidray colossus?

July won't let him
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#667
On May 06 2011 11:24 AlBundy wrote:
Muta harass is the most painful thing to watch really... BW or Sc2, as a spectator I always cringe when I see these poor workers getting dismantled

Depending on the situations and the player's unit control, Mutalisks can be deadly in all three matchups imho.


Agreed. They are fast and deadly. Great harass unit and even when harass gets denied, it keeps the opponent in their base.
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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#668
Hoping for a Baneling bust :p lol
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
May 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#669
On May 06 2011 11:24 Daniel C wrote:
Who thinks Cruncher is going to go 200/200 voidray colossus?



Yup, cannon turtle all the way.
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
ndrew!
Profile Joined May 2010
Poland87 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 02:26:30
May 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#670
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anyone noticed?
AimForTheBushes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1760 Posts
May 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#671
Hoping July doesn't even let Cruncher get to 100 supply these games.
zyglrox
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1168 Posts
May 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#672
On May 06 2011 11:25 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 11:24 Daniel C wrote:
Who thinks Cruncher is going to go 200/200 voidray colossus?


He`ll try maybe. But July is a player who won't let that happen.



yea, would love to see him try to turtle against july.
champagne for my real friends, and real pain for my sham friends.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
May 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#673
I thought Idra was supposed to commentate tonight? I'm sorry if I missed updates on this topic...
o choro é livre
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
May 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#674
Cruncher going Stargate?

Mind = BLOWN
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
I)etox
Profile Joined April 2011
1240 Posts
May 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#675
stargate from cruncher. kind of want to see where this goes :D
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#676
1 gate stargate from Cruncher!
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
May 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#677
On May 06 2011 11:25 izgodlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 11:21 Daniel C wrote:
On May 06 2011 11:20 AimForTheBushes wrote:
no talk of muta harass cheese? TL can be so weird, sometimes.
WP by DarkForce, and good fighting spirit from iNc


muta is a harass unit...

Then it's pretty sad how the mutas raped the stalker/senty in a head on battle.


Well...in large numbers (he had like 20 mutas?) the stacking of air units makes a big difference (as well as Inc's units shooting ground). You need HTs or phoenixes I think.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
May 06 2011 02:27 GMT
#678
Cruncher loves his Stargate. I called it before the game even started :p
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
May 06 2011 02:27 GMT
#679
On May 06 2011 11:26 bkrow wrote:
1 gate stargate from Cruncher!


2 gate stargate
NesTea | LosirA | MVP | CoCa | Nada | Ryung | DRG | YongHwa
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
May 06 2011 02:27 GMT
#680
Yea i have noticed that alot of incontrols wins have been from gimmicky or cheesy play overall recently.

Obviously not talking about that series, but overall he can be a pretty cheesy player at times, and so far that has been whats brought him the most success
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
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