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$100 bo7 Spanishiwa vs. sixjaxTerran! "The V"

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AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 15:07:53
May 04 2011 18:13 GMT
#1
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgZyHm3AgeE


>> STREAM IS HERE!!! <<


compLexity Gaming is proud to announce WEEK 15 of its biggest initiative in the StarCraft 2 community, The V! The best test of skill in SC2 is of course the 1 v 1, and we're going to showcase it every week with a best of 7 series between two invited players. The winner will receive $100, and the loser will just have to hang his head in shame as he types "gg." Whoever wins The V will be expected to play the very next week at the same time!

Here are the details for Week 15:

Who: + Show Spoiler +
Juan "sixjax.Terran" Lopez
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Michael "Vile.Spanishiwa" Yabut - Zerg
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When:Friday, May 6th, 23:00 GMT (+00:00) (7 p.m. EDT, 4 p.m. PDT, 1 a.m. CEST May 7th)

Stream:
>> STREAM IS HERE!!! <<

Cast by AskJoshy and potentially a compLexity Staff or Player co-caster. Stream can be seen on the front page of compLexityGaming.com

Format: Best of 7 series, map pool is as follows:
  • Game 1: Crossfire SE
  • Game 2: Tal'Darim Altar LE
  • Game 3: Terminus RE
  • Game 4: Metalopolis
  • Game 5: Typhon Peaks
  • Game 6: Xel'Naga Caverns
  • Game 7: Shattered Temple

In the event of a disconnect, the game replay will be reviewed by a player panel to determine if a re-game is necessary. If one player disconnects three times in a single night, he will forfeit the series and the non-disconnecting player will be asked back to the next V.

Prizes: The winner of the best of 7 series will receive $100 via Paypal and be invited to play again the following week. The loser will receive nothing. Every week we have a different giveaway for our viewers, so be sure to tune in for instructions on how to win!

This week's viewer prize is $100 USD! Provided by compLexity Gaming's newest partner, Origin PC: http://www.originpc.com/landing/teamcomplexity.asp

I know I'd be watching with a $100 raffle, haha. =P

So come join us for the fifteenth ever edition of "The V" and see if Terran/MajOr from sixjax can topple our reigning champion (defeating Minigun in Week 12, 4-3; Spades in Week 13, 4-2; KawaiiRice in Week 14, 4-2), Vile Gaming's Spanishiwa!

Please feel free to vote in the poll and leave a comment with your series score prediction!

Poll: Who will win The V Week 15?!

Vile.Spanishiwa (195)
 
65%

sixjax.Terran (106)
 
35%

301 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 15?!

(Vote): Vile.Spanishiwa
(Vote): sixjax.Terran



Results! + Show Spoiler +
Spanishiwa < Cross Fire SE> MajOr
Spanishiwa < Tal'Darim Altar > MajOr
Spanishiwa < Terminus RE > MajOr
Spanishiwa < Metalopolis > MajOr
Spanishiwa < Typhon Peaks > MajOr

Congratulations to MajOr, winning 4-1!


VODs! Start Here With Game 1!

Week 1 - 14 Archives! + Show Spoiler +
Week 1 Stuff! Liquid`Tyler vs. ROOT.drewbie!
+ Show Spoiler +


Poll: Who will be the first winner on "The V"?

Liquid`Tyler (126)
 
62%

Root.Drewbie (77)
 
38%

203 total votes

Your vote: Who will be the first winner on "The V"?

(Vote): Root.Drewbie
(Vote): Liquid`Tyler



Results: + Show Spoiler +
Tyler <Metalopolis> Drewbie
Tyler < Delta Quadrant > Drewbie
Tyler < Lost Temple > Drewbie
Tyler < Scrap Station > Drewbie
Tyler < Xel'Naga Caverns > Drewbie

Tyler wins 4-1! Congratulations!


Replays: http://www.complexitygaming.com/index.php?c=file&id=1289
VODs: http://www.complexitygaming.com/index.php?c=news&id=2321

Week 2 Stuff! Liquid`Tyler vs. FXOSheth!
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Results: + Show Spoiler +
Tyler <Xel'Naga Caverns> Sheth
Tyler < Lost Temple > Sheth
Tyler < Delta Quadrant > Sheth
Tyler < Metalopolis > Sheth
Tyler < Shakuras Plateau > Sheth
Tyler < Scrap Station > Sheth
Tyler < Blistering Sands > Sheth
Sheth wins 4-3! Congratulations!


The VOD's are now up on YouTube:
+ Show Spoiler +
Game 1 - Xel'Naga Caverns
Game 2 - Lost Temple
Game 3 - Delta Quadrant
Game 4 - Metalopolis
Game 5 - Shakuras Plateau
Game 6 - Scrap Station
Game 7 - Blistering Sands


Poll: Who will win The V Week 2?

Liquid`Tyler (95)
 
63%

FXOSheth (56)
 
37%

151 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 2?

(Vote): Liquid`Tyler
(Vote): FXOSheth


Week 3 Stuff! FXOSheth vs. NrG.dde!
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Who will win The V Week 3?

FXOSheth (55)
 
59%

NrG.dde (38)
 
41%

93 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 3?

(Vote): FXOSheth
(Vote): NrG.dde



Results: + Show Spoiler +
Sheth <Metalopolis> dde
Sheth < Xel'Naga Caverns > dde
Sheth < Scrap Station > dde
Sheth < Lost Temple > dde
Sheth < Delta Quadrant > dde

dde wins 4-1! Congratulations!


VODs: Start HERE with Game 1. (Keep in mind I am a moron and had my mic muted for the first game, it comes back in game 2.)

Week 4 Stuff! NrG.dde vs. EG.Axslav!
+ Show Spoiler +

Poll: Who will win The V Week 4?!

EG.Axslav (46)
 
61%

NrG.dde (29)
 
39%

75 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 4?!

(Vote): NrG.dde
(Vote): EG.Axslav



Results:+ Show Spoiler +
Axslav < Xel'Naga Caverns > dde
Axslav < Metalopolis > dde
Axslav < Delta Quadrant > dde
Axslav < Lost Temple > dde

Axslav wins 4-0! Congratulations!

VODs are here! Start with Game 1!

Week 5 Stuff! EG.Axslav vs. ROOT.Slush!
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Who will win The V Week 5?!

EG.Axslav (39)
 
51%

ROOTSLush (38)
 
49%

77 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 5?!

(Vote): EG.Axslav
(Vote): ROOTSLush


Results: + Show Spoiler +
Axslav <Metalopolis> Slush
Axslav < Lost Temple > Slush
Axslav < Xel'Naga Caverns > Slush
Axslav < Shakuras Plateau > Slush
Axslav < Steppes of War > Slush

Axslav wins 4-1! Congratulations!

VODs are here: Clicky Clicky!

Here's an interview with our winner!:
+ Show Spoiler +

Week 6 Stuff! EG.Axslav vs. Dignitas SjoW!
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Who will win The V Week 6?!

Dignitas SjoW (54)
 
56%

EG.Axslav (43)
 
44%

97 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 6?!

(Vote): EG.Axslav
(Vote): Dignitas SjoW


Results: + Show Spoiler +
Axslav <Xel'Naga Caverns> SjoW
Axslav < Scrap Station > SjoW
Axslav < Metalopolis > SjoW
Axslav < Lost Temple > SjoW
Axslav < Shakuras Plateau > SjoW
Axslav < Blistering Sands > SjoW
Axslav < Steppes of War > SjoW
SjoW wins 4-3! Congratulations!

VOD's: Start here with Game 1!

Week 7 Stuff! coL.CrunCher vs. LG.PainUser!
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Poll: Who will win The V Week 7?!

LG.PainUser (68)
 
62%

coL.CrunCher (41)
 
38%

109 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 7?!

(Vote): LG.PainUser
(Vote): coL.CrunCher


Results:+ Show Spoiler +
PainUser < Xel'Naga Caverns > CrunCher
Painuser < Shattered Temple > CrunCher
PainUser < Crossfire SE > CrunCher
PainUser < Metalopolis > CrunCher
PainUser < Typhon Peaks > CrunCher

Congratulations to CrunCher for winning 4-1!


VODs: Start here with Game 1!

Week 8 Stuff! coL.CrunCher vs. Dignitas SjoW!
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Who will win The V Week 8?!

Dignitas SjoW (80)
 
75%

coL.CrunCher (26)
 
25%

106 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 8?!

(Vote): Dignitas SjoW
(Vote): coL.CrunCher


Results:+ Show Spoiler +
SjoW < Xel'Naga Caverns > CrunCher
SjoW < Shattered Temple > CrunCher This sucker was a stalemate! We re-gamed.
SjoW < Shattered Temple > CrunCher
SjoW < Crossfire SE > CrunCher
SjoW < Metalopolis > CrunCher
SjoW < Typhon Peaks > CrunCher

Congratulations to CrunCher for winning 4-1!

VOD's: Start here with game 1!

Week 9 Stuff!: coL.CrunCher vs. EG.LzGaMeR!
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Who will win The V Week 9?!

CrunCher (37)
 
58%

LzGaMeR (27)
 
42%

64 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 9?!

(Vote): CrunCher
(Vote): LzGaMeR


Results:+ Show Spoiler +
LzGaMeR < Xel'Naga Caverns > CrunCher
LzGaMeR < Shattered Temple > CrunCher
LzGaMeR < Crossfire SE > CrunCher
LzGaMeR < Metalopolis > CrunCher
LzGaMeR < Typhon Peaks > CrunCher

Congratulations to CrunCher for winning 4-1!

Week 10 Stuff!: coL.CrunCher vs. EG.StrifeCro
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Who will win The V Week 10?!

CrunCher (36)
 
59%

StrifeCro (25)
 
41%

61 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 10?!

(Vote): CrunCher
(Vote): StrifeCro



Results: + Show Spoiler +
CrunCher <Shattered Temple> StrifeCro
CrunCher < Backwater Gulch > StrifeCro
CrunCher < Terminus RE > StrifeCro
CrunCher < Metalopolis > StrifeCro

CrunCher wins 4-0! Congratulations!


VODs: Start here with Game 1!

Week 11 Stuff!: coL.CrunCher vs. Root.Minigun
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Who will win The V Week 11?

Root.Minigun (74)
 
60%

coL.CrunCher (50)
 
40%

124 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 11?

(Vote): coL.CrunCher
(Vote): Root.Minigun



Results: + Show Spoiler +
CrunCher <Shattered Temple> Minigun
CrunCher < Backwater Gulch > Minigun
CrunCher < Terminus RE > Minigun
CrunCher < Metalopolis > Minigun
CrunCher < Typhon Peaks > Minigun
CrunCher < Xel'Naga Caverns > Minigun
CrunCher < Crossfire SE > Minigun

Minigun wins 4-3! Congratulations!


VODs: Start here with Game 1!

Week 12 Stuff!: Root.Minigun vs. Vile.Spanishiwa
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Who will win The V Week 12?!

Vile.Spanishiwa (222)
 
55%

Root.Minigun (185)
 
45%

407 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 12?!

(Vote): Root.Minigun
(Vote): Vile.Spanishiwa



Results! + Show Spoiler +
Spanishiwa <Shattered Temple> Minigun
Spanishiwa < Backwater Gulch > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Terminus RE > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Metalopolis > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Typhon Peaks > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Xel'Naga Caverns > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Crossfire SE > Minigun

Spanishiwa wins 4-3! Congratulations!


VOD's! Start here with Game 1!

Week 13 Stuff!: Vile.Spanishiwa vs. VT.Spades
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Who will win The V Week 13?!

Spanishiwa (173)
 
87%

Spades (25)
 
13%

198 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 13?!

(Vote): Spanishiwa
(Vote): Spades



Results! + Show Spoiler +
Spanishiwa <Shattered Temple> Spades
Spanishiwa < Backwater Gulch > Spades
Spanishiwa < Terminus RE > Spades
Spanishiwa < Metalopolis > Spades
Spanishiwa < Typhon Peaks > Spades
Spanishiwa < Xel'Naga Caverns > Spades

Spanishiwa wins 4-2! Congratulations!


VOD's!: Start here with Game 1!

Week 14 Stuff!: Vile.Spanishiwa vs. FnaticMSI.KawaiiRice
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Who will win The V Week 14?!

Vile.Spanishiwa (149)
 
54%

FnaticMSI.KawaiiRice (129)
 
46%

278 total votes

Your vote: Who will win The V Week 14?!

(Vote): FnaticMSI.KawaiiRice
(Vote): Vile.Spanishiwa



Results! + Show Spoiler +
Spanishiwa <Shattered Temple> KawaiiRice
Spanishiwa < Tal'Darim Altar > KawaiiRice
Spanishiwa < Terminus RE > KawaiiRice
Spanishiwa < Metalopolis > KawaiiRice
Spanishiwa < Typhon Peaks > KawaiiRice
Spanishiwa < Xel'Naga Caverns > KawaiiRice

Spanishiwa wins 4-2! Congratulations!


VODs! Start HERE with Game 1!!

Heroes, Hearthstone, and SC2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/AskJoshy
-UMADIMSTYLIN-
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Cuba292 Posts
May 04 2011 18:14 GMT
#2
holy crap we finally get to see terran play, or is it kitty or princess, or major : )
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 18:15:52
May 04 2011 18:15 GMT
#3
The Artosis Pick vs The Fan Pick
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
May 04 2011 18:15 GMT
#4
Awesome player choice! Go spanishiwa!
133 221 333 123 111
.Enigma.
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1461 Posts
May 04 2011 18:20 GMT
#5
Expecting Major/Terran/Kitty/Princess to win, but would love to see Spanishiwa once again!
"Jupiters c*ck!" - Quintus Lentulus Batiatus
Hoju
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
May 04 2011 18:21 GMT
#6
ooo, interesting matchup. I love seeing these up-and-coming players
www.TheInfestedArchon.com - SC2 Satire
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
May 04 2011 18:23 GMT
#7
ez win for spanishiwa
www.root-gaming.com
Maker
Profile Joined November 2010
Mexico85 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 19:03:44
May 04 2011 18:24 GMT
#8
ez money for Terran, this is going to be 4-0 (:
www.teamtaeja.net
-UMADIMSTYLIN-
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Cuba292 Posts
May 04 2011 18:26 GMT
#9
silly maker that is because you are terran.. kidding of course: ]
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
May 04 2011 18:27 GMT
#10
Terran should take this, but then again I didn't expect Spanishiwa to beat minigun or kawaiirice. Maybe he can surprise us again
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
May 04 2011 18:27 GMT
#11
On May 05 2011 03:26 ChrisGraphex wrote:
silly maker that is because you are terran.. kidding of course: ]


No it's because they're both LA..
nanoscorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1237 Posts
May 04 2011 18:29 GMT
#12
I foresee a drop or three. The observer for this game is going to have his work cut out for him =D
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 18:34:28
May 04 2011 18:34 GMT
#13
Euhm, Spanishiwa recently beat a pretty ok terran in a Bo7 4-0 very hard a short while ago
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TLO of course


So I'm definitely voting for Spanishiwa
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 18:39:33
May 04 2011 18:38 GMT
#14
cant wait till ppl realize theres balance issues with this match up, at least with the way some players play Zerg. not bashing on Spanishiwa, its smart to play to your strengths. ^_^

hoping Terran wins, and I think he has at least a 50% chance if he prepares.
Castrophy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States232 Posts
May 04 2011 18:42 GMT
#15
This should be a fun one to watch.
dmillz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada270 Posts
May 04 2011 18:45 GMT
#16
Major has got this!
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
May 04 2011 18:49 GMT
#17
I thought he's called major now.


Rooting for Spanishiwa in this one.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
May 04 2011 18:59 GMT
#18
On May 05 2011 03:49 Bobster wrote:
Rooting for Spanishiwa in this one.

Who doesnt?
Off-season = best season
jlake02
Profile Joined January 2011
United States395 Posts
May 04 2011 19:00 GMT
#19
Our new sponsor, ORIGIN PC is putting up a $100 cash prize for one lucky viewer. Tune in to THE V to learn how to win!
compLexity Gaming - @coL_Lake
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 04 2011 19:01 GMT
#20
They've taken lots of games off of eachother in practice so this can go either way. Terran is actually really good, he's probably better than Spanish
GertHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States631 Posts
May 04 2011 19:02 GMT
#21
root kitty is actually really good o.o; This might be very interesting.

Root Kitty, root princess, root Britnney, aka Sixjax Terran, right? >.> I don't know if I got lost along the way.

One very underestimated player one of those who can take out anyone.
He who conquers the past rules the future, He who conquers the future rules the past. - C&C Red Alert
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
May 04 2011 19:10 GMT
#22
Terran can definitely beat Spanishiwa if he prepares... His multitasking should win him the game.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
May 04 2011 19:25 GMT
#23
When does Spanishiwa lose to terrans anymore? I like him, but have to root against him just because I'm Terran and want to see how to stop him! :p GL both players though.
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
May 04 2011 19:29 GMT
#24
On May 05 2011 04:02 GertHeart wrote:
root kitty is actually really good o.o; This might be very interesting.

Root Kitty, root princess, root Britnney, aka Sixjax Terran, right? >.> I don't know if I got lost along the way.

One very underestimated player one of those who can take out anyone.


you forgot sixjaxMajor

Anyway rooting for Spanishiwa but I don't see him winning.
Spanishiwa
Profile Joined August 2010
United States91 Posts
May 04 2011 19:45 GMT
#25
3 Terran in a row? And such a scary opponent too T_T
ZING
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
May 04 2011 19:52 GMT
#26
On May 05 2011 03:38 PhiliBiRD wrote:
cant wait till ppl realize theres balance issues with this match up, at least with the way some players play Zerg. not bashing on Spanishiwa, its smart to play to your strengths. ^_^

hoping Terran wins, and I think he has at least a 50% chance if he prepares.


lolwut?

I've seen Terran take more games off Spanish in practice than the other way around...I think his multitasking is on a completely different level.

With decent preparation I say MajOr takes this 4-1 or 4-2.

And tell your imbalance complaints to the overabundance of Terran in the GSL. ZvT is one of the most balanced matchups.
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
May 04 2011 20:08 GMT
#27
If Spanishiwa doesn't get careless it's an easy win for him.
/commercial
EdSlyB
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Portugal1621 Posts
May 04 2011 20:19 GMT
#28
Gogo Spanishiwa!! The Swarm is counting on you! GL HF
aka Wardo
AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
May 04 2011 20:19 GMT
#29
I really hope Spanishiwa can take this week again. I'm loving this kid's play, I can't get enough of it lol. Spanishiwa Fighting!!!
If the quarter was in your right hand, that would've been micro
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
May 04 2011 20:23 GMT
#30
Terran should destroy him, his mechanics are just so much better. I'm rooting for Spanishiwa though!
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
May 04 2011 20:25 GMT
#31
On May 05 2011 05:23 Pokebunny wrote:
Terran should destroy him, his mechanics are just so much better. I'm rooting for Spanishiwa though!



I agree.

Spanishwa is VERY good player, but his mechanics need practice. He has a great future, but needs to get better mechanics
DashFlow
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom176 Posts
May 04 2011 20:30 GMT
#32
I want Spanishwa to win, but i'm sure kitty will take the victory.
I Only Want You To Think Im Fantastic!
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 04 2011 20:30 GMT
#33
Eh this is probably the first time I say Spanishiwa is going to take this and I'm actually fairly confident in that rather than voting by heart. xD

Anything can happen though.
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
May 04 2011 20:35 GMT
#34
TvZ is kitty's weakest matchup though, might be interesting...
DotADeMoN
Profile Joined June 2010
United States517 Posts
May 04 2011 20:37 GMT
#35
4-0 for Juan, his mechanics are too good.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
May 04 2011 20:45 GMT
#36
I feel spanishiwa should take this. I'm sure sixjax.Terran has better mechanics etc, but he should have problems with a non-standard game.
ThePowerHour
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States834 Posts
May 04 2011 20:51 GMT
#37
MajOr actually played a bunch of practice games against Spanishiwa on Spanishiwa's stream a few days ago. If anyone can find the archive of that, you might get some idea of what Friday's match will look like.
Either way, go Spanishiwa!
DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
May 04 2011 20:53 GMT
#38
This is going to be awesome. Thanks coL you guys own :D
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Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 04 2011 20:56 GMT
#39
wow cool matchup, gonna tune into this. Terrans mechanics are insane as everyone else has said so he should win this convincingly
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 04 2011 20:56 GMT
#40
Terran may have better mechanics, but he's also relatively new to the game and probably doesn't have such a deep understanding of matchups even in standard play. I think one of the ROOT guys in the thread about him joining sixjax said that he pretty much only "copies what Koreans do".
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 21:10:45
May 04 2011 21:10 GMT
#41
I seen alot more of spanishiwas play that terrans, so i guess my opinion is not super informed. But the way spanishiwa has been owning up Ts lately, ill say he wins it.
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DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
May 04 2011 21:13 GMT
#42
Hopefully SixJaxMajOr will be able to analyze Spanishiwa's play and counter it. He doesn't seem too adverse to trying new stuff so it should be interesting!
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 04 2011 21:27 GMT
#43
Feel like spanishiwa is going to win, because every player I see go up against him just plays standard, when his strategy has real vunerabilties.

Idk, If Major or w/e his name is actually studies him, he could easily 4-0 it, otherwise he'll probably lose 4-2/4-3
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Mayor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States472 Posts
May 04 2011 21:46 GMT
#44
According to Artosis, Terran's worst matchup is actually TvZ, so Spanishiwa stands a good chance to win, pretty excited for this match though, good luck and have fun to both sides.
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
May 04 2011 21:57 GMT
#45
Battle of the Mechanics vs Unique Style. The mind is going with GoSi, but heart says Spanishiwa, either way Spanishiwa will have his hands full with a stream of marines headed his way non-stop. Hoping for some GGs
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 04 2011 22:08 GMT
#46
Should be a great series, excited for this to start.
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
May 05 2011 00:30 GMT
#47
Looks like there's a lot of interest and a lot of conflicting opinions on this match-up. No matter who wins, the series should be quite epic. =D
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SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
May 05 2011 00:47 GMT
#48
I love how the V gives new and up & coming players a chance to showcase their stuff. Wish the prize pool was a little bigger, the games have been pretty awesome.
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Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
May 05 2011 01:00 GMT
#49
Good stuff, I like this match up!
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JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
May 05 2011 01:18 GMT
#50
Rooting for Spanishiwa all the way
and dang

On May 05 2011 03:23 drewbie.root wrote:
ez win for spanishiwa


Interesting take Drewbie :p
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44322 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 01:21:55
May 05 2011 01:21 GMT
#51
On May 05 2011 05:08 Novalisk wrote:
If Spanishiwa doesn't get careless it's an easy win for him.


What? sixjaxTerran is off-and-on #1 GM in U.S. >.>

Spanishiwa is fan-favored, but sixjaxTerran is better.

Heck, Spanishiwa even got roflstomped by Destiny.
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AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
May 05 2011 14:56 GMT
#52
Spanishiwa has some very good results recently. Of course a best of 7 could go either way, but I really don't know who is favored. Terran has won a couple of cups and things in the last few weeks as well.
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dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
May 05 2011 17:55 GMT
#53
On May 05 2011 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 05:08 Novalisk wrote:
If Spanishiwa doesn't get careless it's an easy win for him.


What? sixjaxTerran is off-and-on #1 GM in U.S. >.>

Spanishiwa is fan-favored, but sixjaxTerran is better.

Heck, Spanishiwa even got roflstomped by Destiny.


Not sure if it's fair to judge a player by a mirrormatch.

Especially considering his style doesn't work that great in ZvZ, it's insane in ZvT and ZvP.
Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
May 05 2011 21:40 GMT
#54
I hope Terran wins but I think zerg will be too strong
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AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
May 06 2011 02:37 GMT
#55
Tomorrow niiiiight it'll be awesome.
Heroes, Hearthstone, and SC2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/AskJoshy
ohnoitschrishansen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States49 Posts
May 06 2011 03:46 GMT
#56
WAARRR SPANISHIWA!!!!
Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
May 06 2011 04:46 GMT
#57
As a Mexican I'm rooting for Major, as a Zerg I'm rooting for Spanishiwa. I'm not really sure whose deserve more my loyalty
You play to win
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
May 06 2011 04:52 GMT
#58
Would think 4-0 for sixjax.opera but he did 4-2 kawaii. Didn't watch the games yet but I would have guessed 4-1 or 4-2 for kr there.
phoenixfeather95
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
665 Posts
May 06 2011 09:02 GMT
#59
you guys should see spanishiwa's stream...
Major played him and the results were quite even.
Spanishiwa beat him twice then he got rolfstomped the next two games.
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plasemeious
Profile Joined November 2009
United States244 Posts
May 06 2011 12:06 GMT
#60
On May 05 2011 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 05:08 Novalisk wrote:
If Spanishiwa doesn't get careless it's an easy win for him.


What? sixjaxTerran is off-and-on #1 GM in U.S. >.>

Spanishiwa is fan-favored, but sixjaxTerran is better.

Heck, Spanishiwa even got roflstomped by Destiny.

That's not really the same thing and I've seen kitty lose to destiny a few times
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
May 06 2011 17:04 GMT
#61
Maybe they're both holding back in their practice games, or when they meet on the ladder, because they know this showmatch will be seen by a lot of people and there's money on the line? =)
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
May 06 2011 17:18 GMT
#62
On May 05 2011 03:38 PhiliBiRD wrote:
cant wait till ppl realize theres balance issues with this match up, at least with the way some players play Zerg. not bashing on Spanishiwa, its smart to play to your strengths. ^_^

hoping Terran wins, and I think he has at least a 50% chance if he prepares.


Yep. I'm gonna say if spanishiwa hits the infestor broodlords without much damage or relative safely he wins 4-0.

if terran can manage to win off 2 base tank marine or other various all-ins, he will win. So i'm gonna predict 4-0 for spanishwa or 4-3 for spanishiwa, the 3 games in that scenario gosi will have won with a timing attack or all-in off 1-2 bases.
Sup
ViperaViRuS
Profile Joined May 2011
United States82 Posts
May 06 2011 17:23 GMT
#63
On May 05 2011 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 05:08 Novalisk wrote:
If Spanishiwa doesn't get careless it's an easy win for him.


What? sixjaxTerran is off-and-on #1 GM in U.S. >.>

Spanishiwa is fan-favored, but sixjaxTerran is better.

Heck, Spanishiwa even got roflstomped by Destiny.


I don't really think Spanishiwa getting beaten by Destiny is much of an indicator since Spanishiwa has stated on more than one occasion that ZvZ is his weakest match-up.

I'm more curious to see what kind of role the maps will play, whether or not the matches play exactly into what Idra said during State of the Game this week. (Difficulty in scouting for ZvT on larger maps make it so that Z have to play blind, and therefore inherently behind in the match-up)
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v1n1z1o
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico185 Posts
May 06 2011 17:51 GMT
#64
On May 06 2011 13:46 azka wrote:
As a Mexican I'm rooting for Major, as a Zerg I'm rooting for Spanishiwa. I'm not really sure whose deserve more my loyalty


MEXICO goo mexico! duhhh.....

i dont think people know how good terran really is....like if you watch his decision making for how young he is. its pretty damn impressive. he is only 17 and he knows exactly what to do and his multi task is probably his strongest area. I think spanishiwa is good in terms of macro, but will have a lot of problems dealing with a higher level terran. I mean the guy laddered for 2-3 after coming onto sc2 from bw and he was top ranked in GM already o.O...

so yeah... go mexico
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Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
May 06 2011 18:22 GMT
#65
On May 07 2011 02:51 v1n1z1o wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 13:46 azka wrote:
As a Mexican I'm rooting for Major, as a Zerg I'm rooting for Spanishiwa. I'm not really sure whose deserve more my loyalty


MEXICO goo mexico! duhhh.....

i dont think people know how good terran really is....like if you watch his decision making for how young he is. its pretty damn impressive. he is only 17 and he knows exactly what to do and his multi task is probably his strongest area. I think spanishiwa is good in terms of macro, but will have a lot of problems dealing with a higher level terran. I mean the guy laddered for 2-3 after coming onto sc2 from bw and he was top ranked in GM already o.O...

so yeah... go mexico


Yeah, Terran hasn't streamed tons of his games and doesn't have a lot of fame, but it is RIDICULOUS how good Major is. I honestly think they should be great games and I'm not sure Span will be able to handle Major's late game constant aggression. Spanishiwa thrives off of constantly being the attacker, the harasser, the offensive, and with Major's skills and playstyle I don't know if he'll be able to get comfortable.

That being said, both players are incredible and they should be really fun to watch.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 18:25:02
May 06 2011 18:24 GMT
#66
Terran is much better mechanically, so Spanishiwa will definitely have to rely on some funky builds and decision making to win
Huge O
Profile Joined April 2011
Great Britain95 Posts
May 06 2011 18:30 GMT
#67
Your a fool if you didn't pick the new best Zerg
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 18:47:20
May 06 2011 18:46 GMT
#68
e: wrong thread
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
May 06 2011 19:08 GMT
#69
Spanish had a really tough streak in his last ladder session, i'm a bit anxious before his match with Britney/Princess/Kitty/Terran/Major.
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AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
May 06 2011 20:10 GMT
#70
Just a few more hours until we see the battle of the 17 year olds. =D
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jlake02
Profile Joined January 2011
United States395 Posts
May 06 2011 21:55 GMT
#71
I'm curious to see if the voting is because of popularity or if Spanishiwa is really the favorite
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bananafisho
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
23 Posts
May 06 2011 22:13 GMT
#72
I want Spanishiwa to win, but I think it's gonna be Terran.
theliman2000
Profile Joined August 2010
United States45 Posts
May 06 2011 22:25 GMT
#73
On May 07 2011 03:30 Huge O wrote:
Your a fool if you didn't pick the new best Zerg


Is IdrA still new? XD
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
May 06 2011 22:27 GMT
#74
Spanishiwa's ZvT seems pretty awesome, looked great in the games against TLO. I reckon he has this. 4 - 2.
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 06 2011 22:31 GMT
#75
On May 07 2011 02:18 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 03:38 PhiliBiRD wrote:
cant wait till ppl realize theres balance issues with this match up, at least with the way some players play Zerg. not bashing on Spanishiwa, its smart to play to your strengths. ^_^

hoping Terran wins, and I think he has at least a 50% chance if he prepares.


Yep. I'm gonna say if spanishiwa hits the infestor broodlords without much damage or relative safely he wins 4-0.

if terran can manage to win off 2 base tank marine or other various all-ins, he will win. So i'm gonna predict 4-0 for spanishwa or 4-3 for spanishiwa, the 3 games in that scenario gosi will have won with a timing attack or all-in off 1-2 bases.



Haha, your QQ is so sad bro. Just because you can't macro doesn't mean it's imbalanced. Take a look at every major tournament, terrans have a 50%+ win rate vs zerg, more then often 75% of those games being macro.
Spanishiwa's style is one of the easily counterable in the game. If you scan and don't see gas, take a 3rd. It's that simple.
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Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
May 06 2011 22:42 GMT
#76
Question is.. Do i stay inside to watch this? Or go outside.. hmm
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 06 2011 22:45 GMT
#77
On May 07 2011 07:31 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 02:18 avilo wrote:
On May 05 2011 03:38 PhiliBiRD wrote:
cant wait till ppl realize theres balance issues with this match up, at least with the way some players play Zerg. not bashing on Spanishiwa, its smart to play to your strengths. ^_^

hoping Terran wins, and I think he has at least a 50% chance if he prepares.


Yep. I'm gonna say if spanishiwa hits the infestor broodlords without much damage or relative safely he wins 4-0.

if terran can manage to win off 2 base tank marine or other various all-ins, he will win. So i'm gonna predict 4-0 for spanishwa or 4-3 for spanishiwa, the 3 games in that scenario gosi will have won with a timing attack or all-in off 1-2 bases.



Haha, your QQ is so sad bro. Just because you can't macro doesn't mean it's imbalanced. Take a look at every major tournament, terrans have a 50%+ win rate vs zerg, more then often 75% of those games being macro.
Spanishiwa's style is one of the easily counterable in the game. If you scan and don't see gas, take a 3rd. It's that simple.


Don't try too reason with philibird or avilo. Both of them don't really know what their talking about in general. For some reason EU/Korean terrans are doing good vs zergs but those 2 + many other NA terrans are struggling. I do think major will win this though, if it gates late game broodlord/infestor and he makes ghosts which is what needs too be used then he'll win even late game, if he does the usual and doesn't make any ghosts I could see spanishiwa winning again with his broodlord/infestor style late game with queens.
When I think of something else, something will go here
EdSlyB
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Portugal1621 Posts
May 06 2011 22:45 GMT
#78
On May 07 2011 07:42 Engore wrote:
Question is.. Do i stay inside to watch this? Or go outside.. hmm


Go outside and watch this anyway! ^^
aka Wardo
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 06 2011 22:46 GMT
#79
On May 07 2011 07:42 Engore wrote:
Question is.. Do i stay inside to watch this? Or go outside.. hmm

Obviously stay inside and watch!
TheLight
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia410 Posts
May 06 2011 22:52 GMT
#80
Finished exams: going to chill with some soothing Joshy commentary; I don't know, it just seems like he's one of the few casters like tastosis and moletrap that actually knows what's going on in the game.
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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 23:01:00
May 06 2011 23:00 GMT
#81
Will definitely watch this one, even over the other two great tournaments going on right now.

That's how much I like the V. My favourite showmatch series for sure.
Darksteel
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland319 Posts
May 06 2011 23:08 GMT
#82
Spanishiwa fighting !
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
May 06 2011 23:14 GMT
#83
Spanishiwa, king of guerilla tactics. or

Infestors = new lurkers
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 06 2011 23:16 GMT
#84
Spanishiwa hwaiting looking sexy on crossfire!
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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
May 06 2011 23:20 GMT
#85
spanishiwa's midgame style is so imba wtf OO;
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Ezze
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada934 Posts
May 06 2011 23:20 GMT
#86
That wasn't even close. This spanish guy is pretty good
Weird
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States832 Posts
May 06 2011 23:21 GMT
#87
On May 05 2011 05:37 FawkingGoomba wrote:
4-0 for Juan, his mechanics are too good.


Uh Oh!!! Spanishiwa!!!
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
May 06 2011 23:21 GMT
#88
Nice offensive transfuses.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 06 2011 23:21 GMT
#89
yeah spanish is gonna take this 4-0,4-1, That many infestors with no ghost support no chance ^^.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 23:22:31
May 06 2011 23:21 GMT
#90
Man, so fun to watch.


Spanishiwa is the Zerg player with a Terran mindset. :lol Puts up a lot of defensive structures early and then just pushes slowly across the map with his siege units. >_>
Kala23
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany230 Posts
May 06 2011 23:21 GMT
#91
Everything he's doing looks so solid. Spanishiwa really has a gameplan and sticks to it
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
May 06 2011 23:21 GMT
#92
What was that game? Really it was amazing, I like this lots of lings with upgrade and all tier 2-3 units for zerg for the rest. However Spanishiwa was playing a bit on the edge with one spine 1 queen and 3 lings when Major was walking around with 10 marines at the start of the game.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 06 2011 23:25 GMT
#93
Man, that push is so annoying to try to stop >.> You can't attack with marines because the infestors just own them, vikings get beaten by infestors + corruptors and the broodlords can do whatever.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 06 2011 23:30 GMT
#94
Damn missed game 1. Good to see Spanishiwa winning though
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StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
May 06 2011 23:30 GMT
#95
On May 07 2011 08:21 NPF wrote:
What was that game? Really it was amazing, I like this lots of lings with upgrade and all tier 2-3 units for zerg for the rest. However Spanishiwa was playing a bit on the edge with one spine 1 queen and 3 lings when Major was walking around with 10 marines at the start of the game.


I just tested out 10 marines with no stim vs 3 lings 1 spine and queen with 1 transfuse. Lings with no speed. Zerg wins pretty easy.
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lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
May 06 2011 23:31 GMT
#96
Im a bit disappointed in Terran/Majors play. Ive never seen him play or anything but, people seemed to hype him up so much whenever he was mentioned anywhere.

1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 06 2011 23:32 GMT
#97
For all his 350 apm Major is pretty sloppy
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NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 23:33:36
May 06 2011 23:33 GMT
#98
On May 07 2011 08:30 StutteR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 08:21 NPF wrote:
What was that game? Really it was amazing, I like this lots of lings with upgrade and all tier 2-3 units for zerg for the rest. However Spanishiwa was playing a bit on the edge with one spine 1 queen and 3 lings when Major was walking around with 10 marines at the start of the game.


I just tested out 10 marines with no stim vs 3 lings 1 spine and queen with 1 transfuse. Lings with no speed. Zerg wins pretty easy.


Wow, spinecrawlers are stronger than I thought... then again I'm protoss so I just kill zerg in lategame while killing expansions.

Anyhow, love the queen play to kill all the medivacs.
Ezze
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada934 Posts
May 06 2011 23:34 GMT
#99
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
May 06 2011 23:34 GMT
#100
HERO ULTRA! SO GOOD~~
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foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
May 06 2011 23:34 GMT
#101
LOL Torrasque
Wivyx
Profile Joined May 2009
Norway624 Posts
May 06 2011 23:34 GMT
#102
Immortal Ultralisk! O_O
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
May 06 2011 23:34 GMT
#103
One ultralisk + 10 queens plowing through a tank line
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
May 06 2011 23:34 GMT
#104
HERO ULTRALISK KILLING 5 TANKS
Kala23
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany230 Posts
May 06 2011 23:36 GMT
#105
amazing how cost efficient zerg can play
cooked
Profile Joined December 2010
China1238 Posts
May 06 2011 23:37 GMT
#106
what a fungal
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 23:40:05
May 06 2011 23:37 GMT
#107
On May 07 2011 08:31 lim1017 wrote:
Im a bit disappointed in Terran/Majors play. Ive never seen him play or anything but, people seemed to hype him up so much whenever he was mentioned anywhere.

Just from these two matches, it's pretty clear that he has damn good mechanics and multitasking. Look at all those drops, reminiscent of qxc.

Surprised that Spanishiwa who always favours statics defences doesn't stick more spores and spines in his bases. Even with Nydus, he's not quick enough to react to all these drops.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 06 2011 23:38 GMT
#108
Holy shit, Major is ridiculously good...
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
May 06 2011 23:38 GMT
#109
Even with nyduses spanishiwa's army is just too immobile. He at the very least needs several spines at every expo
Arccotangent
Profile Joined October 2010
519 Posts
May 06 2011 23:40 GMT
#110
The harvester/base count is looking pretty bad for Spanishiwa.
"Taste the zombie's drug, now you want more."
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 06 2011 23:40 GMT
#111
One ghost and major could have ended this a loooooooooooooong time ago
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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
May 06 2011 23:40 GMT
#112
On May 07 2011 08:38 syllogism wrote:
Even with nyduses spanishiwa's army is just too immobile. He at the very least needs several spines at every expo

high five + Show Spoiler +
neogaf hivemind represent
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
May 06 2011 23:41 GMT
#113
Amazing games so far.
/commercial
Arccotangent
Profile Joined October 2010
519 Posts
May 06 2011 23:48 GMT
#114
It's the Boxer supply depot at the watchtower!
"Taste the zombie's drug, now you want more."
Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
May 06 2011 23:52 GMT
#115
Man I love these two. Major is sick. Spanishiwa has to be careful the next few games he's being metagamed a little bit.
Kala23
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany230 Posts
May 06 2011 23:53 GMT
#116
i like those spines
looks like he adapted
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 06 2011 23:53 GMT
#117
Argh spanishiwa teching to ultras is depressing :/ definitely a bad bad move
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 06 2011 23:57 GMT
#118
yay ghosts
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 06 2011 23:58 GMT
#119
Ouch, throwing away Broods.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 00:01:25
May 07 2011 00:00 GMT
#120
Oh god, every game running over 20 minutes easy, this is going to be a long night. :lol

Idra's wish of ghosts in the TvZ lategame is getting fulfilled by major (who he regards pretty highly I feel) here.
Arccotangent
Profile Joined October 2010
519 Posts
May 07 2011 00:01 GMT
#121
Zerg on 3 bases, given game length, likely 1/2 mining bases. Terran keeps denying outlying expos.
"Taste the zombie's drug, now you want more."
chestnutman
Profile Joined March 2011
176 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 00:05:26
May 07 2011 00:02 GMT
#122
Terran completely forgot about combat shields, it probably would have made quite a difference.


Edit: nevermind, apparently combat shields are overrated...
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
May 07 2011 00:02 GMT
#123
Josh, Ghosts can SNIPE.... that's what's killing Blords, not Marauders.....
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
May 07 2011 00:03 GMT
#124
Broodlords are getting sniped Joshy, nothing to do with Vikings.


I don't even know how Spanishiwa is supporting Ultras and Broods off three bases.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 07 2011 00:03 GMT
#125
Hmm, you can see how spanishiwa's mechanics are not really on the level as Terran, if he had better mechanics this game would have been over, so many blords are being sacrificed
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
May 07 2011 00:03 GMT
#126
GIRAFFE MIGRATION INCOMING
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 07 2011 00:04 GMT
#127
Ghosts are pretty good. Even though I feel emp's could be used a little better but glad too finally see a terran make some ghosts vs this style as queens can't transfuse with energy ^^.

Sick game 3 though very entertaining :D.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Arccotangent
Profile Joined October 2010
519 Posts
May 07 2011 00:04 GMT
#128
This is reminding of the opposite of usual TvZ. Zerg seemingly more cost effective and slow pushing to terran main, while terran with better eco but losing more.
"Taste the zombie's drug, now you want more."
Lipski
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 00:05:18
May 07 2011 00:05 GMT
#129
why spanishiwa never took his natural 4th is beyond me. he lost so many expos trying to be cute and hiding them.
"i'll just train hard and win the next one"
Mikhail
Profile Joined May 2011
67 Posts
May 07 2011 00:05 GMT
#130
I'm rooting for Spanishiwa to win, but Terran is just plainly outclassing him in terms of unit control and multitasking.
Lipski
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland373 Posts
May 07 2011 00:06 GMT
#131
how dumb to be trying to take major's 4th base, one tank denies whole base....
"i'll just train hard and win the next one"
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 07 2011 00:06 GMT
#132
I have to agree. A bad expo choice for spani isn't helping the push.
zawk9
Profile Joined March 2011
United States427 Posts
May 07 2011 00:06 GMT
#133
This is seriously one of the best SC2 games I've seen yet. Spanishiwa slow-pushing.. Ghost vs Infestor/Broodlord wars... Drops everywhere... Setting up a friggin contain with spine crawlers and queens!

Very entertaining games thus far. Hope they release the replays.
there's a bug in the new patch where the other player keeps killing all my dudes.. please nerf this
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
May 07 2011 00:07 GMT
#134
holy fuck snipes countering neural parasites countering siege tanks

So high level.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 07 2011 00:07 GMT
#135
Haha, this is a ridiculously entertaining game from both players. Props to them
teumas
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden280 Posts
May 07 2011 00:07 GMT
#136
maybe he should scout terran's other bases...
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 07 2011 00:07 GMT
#137
lol neural parisited ghosts look kind of like kerrigan :D
When I think of something else, something will go here
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
May 07 2011 00:07 GMT
#138
Now that was a cool game.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
May 07 2011 00:08 GMT
#139
No way Major can lose this game, but it's still fun to watch. :lol
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
May 07 2011 00:08 GMT
#140
GG
133 221 333 123 111
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 00:08:54
May 07 2011 00:08 GMT
#141
These infestor brood lord corruptor queen / viking marine tank ghost battles are extremely entertaining and give me hope for the future of SC2
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
May 07 2011 00:08 GMT
#142
Heh, Spanishiwa plays like a terran the way he slow pushes. He desperately needed to have a faster fourth though.
mpf189
Profile Joined March 2011
332 Posts
May 07 2011 00:09 GMT
#143
lol..major had two expos like right next to spanish and he didn't notice that whole time..
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
May 07 2011 00:09 GMT
#144
If spanishiwa just scouted the terran expansions he would have taken it. How could he not see them? Or did he see them but ignored them?
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
May 07 2011 00:10 GMT
#145
Great game, it almost seemed like Spanishiwa wouldve been able to kill him when he took out Major's 4th. Props to Terran for his ghost usage and snipes. Just hope he remembers combat shields next game
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 07 2011 00:10 GMT
#146
On May 07 2011 09:08 Gorlin wrote:
Heh, Spanishiwa plays like a terran the way he slow pushes. He desperately needed to have a faster fourth though.



Securing bases is really hard with his style. No mutas and constant drop play just crunches it.

I almost feel like you can do a base trade with spanishiwa when he does his slowpush. Just load up and hit the main.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 07 2011 00:10 GMT
#147
lol spanish doesn't like these awesome maps? Weird zerg :/.
When I think of something else, something will go here
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 07 2011 00:11 GMT
#148
On May 07 2011 09:09 VoirDire wrote:
If spanishiwa just scouted the terran expansions he would have taken it. How could he not see them? Or did he see them but ignored them?



He couldn't really do anything. He had a bunch of slow immobile units and if any of them moved out he'd just get rolled over
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Kala23
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany230 Posts
May 07 2011 00:12 GMT
#149
On May 07 2011 09:10 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:08 Gorlin wrote:
Heh, Spanishiwa plays like a terran the way he slow pushes. He desperately needed to have a faster fourth though.



Securing bases is really hard with his style. No mutas and constant drop play just crunches it.

I almost feel like you can do a base trade with spanishiwa when he does his slowpush. Just load up and hit the main.


Spanishiwa started out great with the defensiv spines in the mineral lines. But he didn't keep that up.
Just make 3 spines at every expo. It's expensiv but necessary with his limited mobility.
throttled
Profile Joined August 2010
United States382 Posts
May 07 2011 00:12 GMT
#150
Spanishiwa would have won that game if he just built broodlords instead of those 9 infestors, and expanded to his own 4th expansion rather than TERRAN's fourth.
"Look to the river rushing. Unparalleled in its power. It carves away at the land, eroding the banks, consuming the sands and washes away to her majesty."
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 07 2011 00:14 GMT
#151
On May 07 2011 09:12 throttled wrote:
Spanishiwa would have won that game if he just built broodlords instead of those 9 infestors, and expanded to his own 4th expansion rather than TERRAN's fourth.


disagree, major was ahead by like 80 food that whole game after denying spanish's bases all game. Even though spanish finally got a 4'th, even in a better position I don't think he would have won he just didn't have the supply nor get enough money for the units (and terran probably would have dropped it too).
When I think of something else, something will go here
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 00:17:51
May 07 2011 00:16 GMT
#152
Major's multitasking looking really good right now.
Arccotangent
Profile Joined October 2010
519 Posts
May 07 2011 00:17 GMT
#153
Hellions taking down a hatchery!
"Taste the zombie's drug, now you want more."
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
May 07 2011 00:17 GMT
#154
and this is why Zerg techs...
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 07 2011 00:18 GMT
#155
Holy crap, I thought for a second I was going to see helions kill an expo. Imagine that
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Mikhail
Profile Joined May 2011
67 Posts
May 07 2011 00:19 GMT
#156
It's over.
Arccotangent
Profile Joined October 2010
519 Posts
May 07 2011 00:19 GMT
#157
The only drones that survive are those hiding in the smoke.
"Taste the zombie's drug, now you want more."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 07 2011 00:19 GMT
#158
Major has won this game with literally just blue flame hellions. No way to come back now.
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
May 07 2011 00:19 GMT
#159
Major has almost more helions the Spanishiwa has drones.... not a good sign
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
May 07 2011 00:19 GMT
#160
Ouch... blue flames strong vs. low tech.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 07 2011 00:19 GMT
#161
Ok, that was utter domination...
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 07 2011 00:19 GMT
#162
Spanishiwa just doesn't have the mechanics to keep up with him.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
May 07 2011 00:20 GMT
#163
HEEEEEEEEEEEELLIONS

Good lord.
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
May 07 2011 00:20 GMT
#164
he scouts the factory but doesnt go roaches? ;f
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
May 07 2011 00:20 GMT
#165
On May 07 2011 09:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
Spanishiwa just doesn't have the mechanics to keep up with him.

He doesn't have the right units.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
emesen
Profile Joined October 2010
United States256 Posts
May 07 2011 00:20 GMT
#166
cant believe he didnt read blue flame hellion after scouting the front factory with tech lab...
may the best of your todays, be the worst of your tomorrows
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 07 2011 00:20 GMT
#167
spanish played wayyy too greedy that game. He saw the tech lab (green) with a factory that early, he should have suspected blue flamed hellions at least I would have.

No spines, late late gas he was asking for it lol . Well played by major very good multi tasking ^_^
When I think of something else, something will go here
sashamunguia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico423 Posts
May 07 2011 00:20 GMT
#168
zixjax MaJor completely OWNING spanishiwa, gj from Artosis recruiting him
"only the need for meaning changes how you feel about what you see" "he who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life" "being a Rebel is as stupid as to be completely Obedient"
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
May 07 2011 00:20 GMT
#169
Spanishiwa way too greedy...
Didn't even have ling speed when the blue flame hellions hit.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
loving it
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada271 Posts
May 07 2011 00:20 GMT
#170
Ouch. The hellions. Spanishiwa forgot spine crawlers? I think SixjaxMajor's aggressive style is just taking advantage of Spanishiwa's inability to defend harrass well.
Stay gold.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 07 2011 00:20 GMT
#171
On May 07 2011 09:20 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
Spanishiwa just doesn't have the mechanics to keep up with him.

He doesn't have the right units.



True, but I think he just can't multitask on the same level either
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
May 07 2011 00:21 GMT
#172
On May 07 2011 09:20 VPCursed wrote:
he scouts the factory but doesnt go roaches? ;f


Yep. Bad reaction, really.

Should've known it was hellions that early in the game and all.

And his style seems to rely on spines, he didn't make any...
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
May 07 2011 00:22 GMT
#173
Interesting fo sho.
EG | Liquid | Dignitas | FXO | SlayerS | TSL | iS | Fan of pretty much all players ^_^ | SeleCT <3 forever! Axslav <3
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
May 07 2011 00:23 GMT
#174
gj from Artosis recruiting him


Now how long will he stick around.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 07 2011 00:24 GMT
#175
On May 07 2011 09:20 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
Spanishiwa just doesn't have the mechanics to keep up with him.

He doesn't have the right units.

I'm not talking about just the hellions. I'm talking about the whole series. He isn't a mechanically strong player, he will even tell you that. This high harass style of Terran is very difficult for a player with bad mechanics to keep up with.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
[Atomic]Peace
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States451 Posts
May 07 2011 00:24 GMT
#176
Can't tune in, is it 1-1 right now?
☢
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
May 07 2011 00:25 GMT
#177
On May 07 2011 09:24 [Atomic]Peace wrote:
Can't tune in, is it 1-1 right now?


Currently 3-1 sixjaxTerran
relyt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1073 Posts
May 07 2011 00:25 GMT
#178
On May 07 2011 09:24 [Atomic]Peace wrote:
Can't tune in, is it 1-1 right now?

3-1 sjTerran in the lead.
Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
May 07 2011 00:26 GMT
#179
On May 07 2011 09:20 loving it wrote:
Ouch. The hellions. Spanishiwa forgot spine crawlers? I think SixjaxMajor's aggressive style is just taking advantage of Spanishiwa's inability to defend harrass well.


I don't think it's Spanishiwa's "inability to defend harrass," I think it's more Spanishiwa is used to sitting back and almost turtling until he's ready to dictate the pace of the game. Spanishiwa succeeds as the aggressor and MajOr is simply not willing to let him play that role. Also, Major is a pimp.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
May 07 2011 00:27 GMT
#180
Wow 2 hellions just roasted about 8 drones without dying.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 00:29:59
May 07 2011 00:29 GMT
#181
On May 05 2011 03:23 drewbie.root wrote:
ez win for spanishiwa


Your lack of faith is disturbing. Opposite of what you say has happened twice now kind of hilarious :D
When I think of something else, something will go here
loving it
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada271 Posts
May 07 2011 00:30 GMT
#182
Spanishiwa's is probably shaked up from all those losses. Very anti climatic
Stay gold.
emesen
Profile Joined October 2010
United States256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 00:30:35
May 07 2011 00:30 GMT
#183
that was anti-climactic
may the best of your todays, be the worst of your tomorrows
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
May 07 2011 00:30 GMT
#184
Well it looks like Artosis first recruit is bringing his team a bit of fame.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
May 07 2011 00:30 GMT
#185
Terran just ROLLED spanishiwa 4-1.

ggs I guess -.-
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
May 07 2011 00:30 GMT
#186
that was bad
89andy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada192 Posts
May 07 2011 00:30 GMT
#187
nydus ... ahhahah
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
May 07 2011 00:31 GMT
#188
Congrats to terran. Hes just going to keep getting better and better. Im sure his tvz is improving quickly playing with his broodwar buddies Idra and Ret.
Weird
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States832 Posts
May 07 2011 00:31 GMT
#189
Sheth for next week anyone???
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 07 2011 00:31 GMT
#190
impressed by terran. and TvZ is his worst MU apparentely
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
May 07 2011 00:31 GMT
#191
keep in mind that spanishiwa isnt the 1 who played bad, terran just plays alot better to make him look bad.
kataa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom384 Posts
May 07 2011 00:31 GMT
#192
Wow that was really disappointing. It looked like Terran read Spainishiwa perfectly (his style is kinda popular?) and Spainishiwa just went into every game as if he was laddering.
hagrin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States278 Posts
May 07 2011 00:31 GMT
#193
Not ... even ... close.

sixjaxMajor just exposed basically every flaw in Spanishiwa's style and build order. I think we can settle down on the hype already.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
May 07 2011 00:32 GMT
#194
First three games were fantastic, great series once again. Grats to major.

Good job, the V.



Also, think about having a guest caster to help support you, Josh. Very hard to keep up with multitasking and those drops on your own.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
May 07 2011 00:32 GMT
#195
Thx Josh. That was some Majorasskicking the last 2 matches.
There's no S in KT. :P
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 07 2011 00:32 GMT
#196
On May 07 2011 09:31 kataa wrote:
Wow that was really disappointing. It looked like Terran read Spainishiwa perfectly (his style is kinda popular?) and Spainishiwa just went into every game as if he was laddering.

They have played against eachother quite a bit in practice I think
Ezekyle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia607 Posts
May 07 2011 00:32 GMT
#197
On May 07 2011 09:24 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:20 T.O.P. wrote:
On May 07 2011 09:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
Spanishiwa just doesn't have the mechanics to keep up with him.

He doesn't have the right units.

I'm not talking about just the hellions. I'm talking about the whole series. He isn't a mechanically strong player, he will even tell you that. This high harass style of Terran is very difficult for a player with bad mechanics to keep up with.

Mutalisks are just as important as mechanics when it comes to holding off medivac drops. I watch Spanishiwa stream a fair bit, and he's constantly dying to drops and banshees and similar things because he can just never kill air units.
supdubdup
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States916 Posts
May 07 2011 00:32 GMT
#198
On May 07 2011 09:31 hagrin wrote:
Not ... even ... close.

sixjaxMajor just exposed basically every flaw in Spanishiwa's style and build order. I think we can settle down on the hype already.

What are those flaws? o.O
Turn it Up
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
May 07 2011 00:32 GMT
#199
I like this caster. He remindes me of Diggity. Oh happy days.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
May 07 2011 00:33 GMT
#200
On May 07 2011 09:32 supdubdup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:31 hagrin wrote:
Not ... even ... close.

sixjaxMajor just exposed basically every flaw in Spanishiwa's style and build order. I think we can settle down on the hype already.

What are those flaws? o.O


You watched the series, right?
There's no S in KT. :P
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
May 07 2011 00:33 GMT
#201
Hmm. Wonder if this gains him any respect with the community.
EG | Liquid | Dignitas | FXO | SlayerS | TSL | iS | Fan of pretty much all players ^_^ | SeleCT <3 forever! Axslav <3
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
May 07 2011 00:34 GMT
#202
On May 07 2011 09:32 supdubdup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:31 hagrin wrote:
Not ... even ... close.

sixjaxMajor just exposed basically every flaw in Spanishiwa's style and build order. I think we can settle down on the hype already.

What are those flaws? o.O


that queens are slow as shit, cost 150 mins, and do next to no damage.
teumas
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden280 Posts
May 07 2011 00:34 GMT
#203
That was a pretty underwhelming series. Ah well, three wins for spanishiwa isn't that shabby
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
May 07 2011 00:34 GMT
#204
On May 07 2011 09:32 supdubdup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:31 hagrin wrote:
Not ... even ... close.

sixjaxMajor just exposed basically every flaw in Spanishiwa's style and build order. I think we can settle down on the hype already.

What are those flaws? o.O

He doesnt have anything that shoots up.
oh and he doesn't build lings. so scouting is kind of impossible =/
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 07 2011 00:34 GMT
#205
On May 07 2011 09:32 supdubdup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:31 hagrin wrote:
Not ... even ... close.

sixjaxMajor just exposed basically every flaw in Spanishiwa's style and build order. I think we can settle down on the hype already.

What are those flaws? o.O

Mostly lack of mobility.
AimForTheBushes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1760 Posts
May 07 2011 00:34 GMT
#206
On May 07 2011 09:33 Engore wrote:
Hmm. Wonder if this gains him any respect with the community.


Nope, not from me, anyways. There was never a question of his abilities/potential..
hagrin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States278 Posts
May 07 2011 00:37 GMT
#207
On May 07 2011 09:32 supdubdup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:31 hagrin wrote:
Not ... even ... close.

sixjaxMajor just exposed basically every flaw in Spanishiwa's style and build order. I think we can settle down on the hype already.

What are those flaws? o.O


I mean ... it's already been discussed by much better players than me (Darkforce, idra, etc.).

Basically no scouting information the last 2 games.
Ghosts > Infestor + Queen.
Spanishiwa favors an entirely immobile army and couldn't defend drops well enough.
Can't build enough spines because if you do, you're losing the econ advantage in the build.

Again though, I'm only a gold player, go look at posts by Darkforce and listen to idra talk about the build. Take what they have to say way more seriously than anything I type because I'm an over the hill gamer.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
May 07 2011 00:37 GMT
#208
props to Terran, he had some excellent preparation for this series.
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
May 07 2011 00:37 GMT
#209
Well, those hellions won't always do that much damage. But good to see that this hype might get a halt now.
loveeholicce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Korea (South)785 Posts
May 07 2011 00:37 GMT
#210
On May 07 2011 09:34 MechKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:32 supdubdup wrote:
On May 07 2011 09:31 hagrin wrote:
Not ... even ... close.

sixjaxMajor just exposed basically every flaw in Spanishiwa's style and build order. I think we can settle down on the hype already.

What are those flaws? o.O

Mostly lack of mobility.

And zero map control or way to deny a very early expo
상처받은 그대에 가슴에 사랑을 심어줄께요♥
nyc863
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
200 Posts
May 07 2011 00:42 GMT
#211
props to Terran/Kitty/Princess (they are all the same right?) he worked out how to defeat this build - that has had everyone so excited for weeks - by just watching some replays.

Spanishiwa apparently did not have an alternative strategy ready, his response to the losses were to increase the intensity of his build which increased the speed at which it failed.
jlake02
Profile Joined January 2011
United States395 Posts
May 07 2011 00:42 GMT
#212
THE VODs from THE V are posted each Saturday at www.YouTube.com/compLexityINSIDER

Thanks for watching tonight!
compLexity Gaming - @coL_Lake
sAKecOkE
Profile Joined May 2010
Ireland128 Posts
May 07 2011 00:42 GMT
#213
Very entertaining games tonight, I definitely recommend those vods!
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
May 07 2011 00:45 GMT
#214
On May 07 2011 09:34 AimForTheBushes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:33 Engore wrote:
Hmm. Wonder if this gains him any respect with the community.


Nope, not from me, anyways. There was never a question of his abilities/potential..


Well i think there are several people who don't give him credit for his GM rank just because of what people think about his personality. I'd never seen him play till now. Looked sharp, really don't have much against him because i didn't follow what his problems/drama was.
EG | Liquid | Dignitas | FXO | SlayerS | TSL | iS | Fan of pretty much all players ^_^ | SeleCT <3 forever! Axslav <3
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
May 07 2011 02:09 GMT
#215
Updated OP with results, working on VODs now! Thanks for making this the most-viewed edition of The V to date. =)
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[Atomic]Peace
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States451 Posts
May 07 2011 03:47 GMT
#216
It's important to note that top Zergs like Sheth struggle with Major from time to time as well. Major's multitasking and harass ability is impressive. Hard to handle for any Zerg!
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David451
Profile Joined October 2010
United States491 Posts
May 07 2011 04:41 GMT
#217
Please update this thread when the VODs are ready, I can't wait to pop a bottle and watch this.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 07 2011 04:59 GMT
#218
On May 07 2011 12:47 [Atomic]Peace wrote:
It's important to note that top Zergs like Sheth struggle with Major from time to time as well. Major's multitasking and harass ability is impressive. Hard to handle for any Zerg!


Doesn't he cheese Sheth a lot though?

But you make a very good point. Major is everywhere at once. Spanishiwa isn't a mechanically strong player and just couldn't handle all the pressure Major was putting on.
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
May 07 2011 05:05 GMT
#219
Artosis understands the principle of not changing your handle. Now he just has to get it into this little weirdo's head...
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
May 07 2011 12:34 GMT
#220
Spanishwa said he wants the terran to defend by using Nyduses because with lack of multitasking you can't be aggressive at the same time (so he can drone, tech up, get the advantage basically).

Unfortunately it doesn't work versus someone who has the mechanics of MajOr.
Batch
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden692 Posts
May 07 2011 12:40 GMT
#221
Spanishiwa lost the macro games because he couldn't multitask as well as Major and the other games because he got to gready and didn't build any spinecrawlers to defend against the hellions. Still love Spanishiwas style and hope to see more of him but Major were the better player yesterday.
anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
May 07 2011 12:55 GMT
#222
On May 07 2011 09:31 hagrin wrote:
Not ... even ... close.

sixjaxMajor just exposed basically every flaw in Spanishiwa's style and build order. I think we can settle down on the hype already.


the flaws in his builds have been exposed for quite a while, whether by discussion in the ice fisher build thread, sotg, and by several -lesser than gositerran- players he loses to decisively on ladder.

the hype is for the concepts/ideas behind the style, not for his execution of it, or particular build orders.

true, there is also some hype for the guy himself, because he's a very young talent, a swell guy, and that is justified too, because for all his flaws with decision making and general understanding of matchups, he managed to get to such a high level of play with basically just laddering, and doing a completely unique style with very solid concepts behind it.

as with any style and upcoming player, there has to be evolution from exposed flaws and improvement through high-level sustained practice. if he can get rolling on that, he's bound for sc2 glory. even if not, he's still hella entertaining to watch so well worth any hype he gets
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AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
May 07 2011 15:07 GMT
#223
VOD's are up! See these games in better 720p than the stream was, Start Here With Game 1!
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throttled
Profile Joined August 2010
United States382 Posts
May 07 2011 15:46 GMT
#224
The problem was not with the style it was the execution and poor decision making. The style is very solid vs basically every strategy Terran threw at him. Once VoD's go up, I'm gonna rewatch all these games and make a detailed post about it. Would be very disappointed if people suddenly thought this invalidates the style, when the problems were obvious; mainly poor decision making and mediocre mechanics.

Just a quick snippet of what I mean from what I remember:

Game 2:

The point of nydus in this style is to make a would be immobile army extremely mobile, it should only be used for offensive (especially in opponents base) purposes in rare cases where the opportunity truly presents itself. The attack in game 2 was not one. The threat of offensive potential is enough for the terran to take up a centralized siege position. Not only did he attack into a terrible choke, but it was a position fortified with a PF and a plethora of siege tanks. He had no need to deny that base, the correct move would have been to keep his Ultra/Queen Defensive threat and expand to the bottom left half of the map with worms at each base. The drops would have been easily denied if the worms went up as the expos were going up.

That's just a basic explanation from what I remember, I can break it down much more in depth with the VOD/Replay in front of me.
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Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 15:59:23
May 07 2011 15:57 GMT
#225
Spanishiwa just got outplayed. Major was multi-tasking like a mad man and Spanishiwa just couldn't keep up.
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meep
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1699 Posts
May 07 2011 16:09 GMT
#226
Just saw the results, gonna check out the VODs to check out the multi-tasking from Terran since I haven't really seen gosi play in a while
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ViperaViRuS
Profile Joined May 2011
United States82 Posts
May 07 2011 16:40 GMT
#227
On May 07 2011 21:55 anatem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 09:31 hagrin wrote:
Not ... even ... close.

sixjaxMajor just exposed basically every flaw in Spanishiwa's style and build order. I think we can settle down on the hype already.


the flaws in his builds have been exposed for quite a while, whether by discussion in the ice fisher build thread, sotg, and by several -lesser than gositerran- players he loses to decisively on ladder.

the hype is for the concepts/ideas behind the style, not for his execution of it, or particular build orders.

true, there is also some hype for the guy himself, because he's a very young talent, a swell guy, and that is justified too, because for all his flaws with decision making and general understanding of matchups, he managed to get to such a high level of play with basically just laddering, and doing a completely unique style with very solid concepts behind it.

as with any style and upcoming player, there has to be evolution from exposed flaws and improvement through high-level sustained practice. if he can get rolling on that, he's bound for sc2 glory. even if not, he's still hella entertaining to watch so well worth any hype he gets


This entirely. The hype over Spanishiwa isn't that he's the best Zerg player in NA, not that this build is really impressive. It's more the fact that as such a young & entertaining player; anyone who has watched his stream will already know how he interacts with his viewers, as well as the fact he has a really good game sense. If he polished his mechanics some more, he could compete with the highest level of players (As seen from the fact he's already GM).

Just watching him ladder is quite entertaining due his quick thinking and attempts at reacting to whatever the opponent throws him. Games where he gets all-ined, barely repels it but is contained. Then sneaks several infestors into the enemy's mineral line to fungal growth the workers to bring himself back in the game. Games like these is what has earned him this hype.

This isn't to say he's unstoppable, there are also a fair number of games where he simply loses due to certain aspects that he's not entirely great at stopping, i.e. constant drops+harass.
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ArghUScaredMe
Profile Joined July 2010
United States712 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 18:07:57
May 07 2011 18:07 GMT
#228
Sapnishwa's build really shows the glaring absense of Mutas and what they can do.

Mutas grant serious map control. He NEVER makes Mutas and therefore he's completely countered by crippling drops everywhere.
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
May 07 2011 18:57 GMT
#229
I still love you Spanishiwa, you made some mistakes here but I have faith that you will only get better from it.
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DotADeMoN
Profile Joined June 2010
United States517 Posts
May 07 2011 21:36 GMT
#230
On May 07 2011 08:21 Weird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 05:37 FawkingGoomba wrote:
4-0 for Juan, his mechanics are too good.


Uh Oh!!! Spanishiwa!!!


Close enough. I think my prediction was pretty accurate though.

On May 07 2011 09:33 Engore wrote:
Hmm. Wonder if this gains him any respect with the community.


No. It doesn't. There was never a question of his skill/potential, he's always been insanely good. But time and time again he proves that the community should not take him seriously as a person.

Gruesome
Profile Joined September 2002
United States84 Posts
May 07 2011 23:36 GMT
#231
Nice terran stuff... Well deserved win.

As far as Spanishiwa losing, many of the posts here seem... odd... to me.

So, Spanishiwa starts doing these best of 7's the last month and beats Root.Minigun, And VTSpades and Kawaiirice and even TLO...

Then he finally loses a series against a very good player and people jump out of the woodwork saying, "See! I told you this style was not viable!"

Um... What?

Like a poster above said, I think Spanishiwa is still to be lauded for bringing attention to more ways of playing Zerg. Also, in listening to him on his stream, I wish more people around here were even HALF as polite and well-mannered as he seems to be.
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