EPT[GSL] Code S r8 Day 1 - Page 92
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pieman819
Australia457 Posts
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Shadow_Agha
United States68 Posts
Losira's micro was indeed terrible, especially with his infestors. But I've been wondering if Burrow tech would have won him the game. Sc's build rely heavily on mules to sustain that production cycle. Hence, burrow tech will either force Sc to scan or tech up to Raven and will not able to sustain the insane marine production. Burrow will also allow those expensive infestors to be more safe from those marines. I am unsure if it would have got Losira a win, but I think it is a viable option. | ||
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ljdljd
Canada15 Posts
Losira bad bling and ling control. End of story... | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 04 2011 10:16 FuzzyJAM wrote: Damn, Losira did not play his best at all. Game 2 was just a stupid cheese which anyone could lose but Game 1 and 3 he outplayed sC for about 90% of the game but just let himself fall too far behind at the start. Ah well, hopefully Losira does better next time. Are you kidding me? Game 1, sC played great. Remember, Losira kinda forced him into this aggression by denying his third. Once the attack started, sC certainly outplayed Losira. | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On May 04 2011 04:03 Big J wrote: a marine split takes a lot of micro an equal baneling split takes the same, but you can only start it once the terran has started to split his marines, else you dont know in which directions to split your banelings Marine split not only are splitting, but your running back and moving from direction to direction. Furthormore, your trying to minimize damage and get one marine per baneling(ideally.) If zergs did banelings splits like you're talking about then it would be countereffective, as you don't want one baneling per marine. Furthormore, the fact that marines are ranged units and not melee like banelings means you are also kiting the banelings, while you don't kite with banelings just move forward endlessly with them. becaus even progamers have limited micro abilities, and a newly spawned infestor that used his fungal turns useless for 2-3mins, thats why in pressure situations like those, when losira defended, counterattacked and tried to intercept reinforcments at the same time, he doesnt have more than a few clicks to tell some zerglings to attack some marines, if by accident he boxes an infestor with them, the infestor will run into them too. it's a serious waste of ressources but except for the first infestor, non of the others would have been able to fungal again in this game I believe, but I would have to rewatch it and check the times to be sure. You can't use lack of micro as an excuse. That's like saying banelings shouldn't have splash damage because it's too hard to do splits. Not having enough micro, especially when its just to seperate hotkeys, is not a valid excuse at all. Of course I agree with you that losing the infestors didn't lose Losira the game, as they had already cast fungals. It showcases poor unit control in that instance, but overall Losira actually had excellent micro. I do include inbattle injection to micro, because queens injections produce 6/10 of the zergs larva. A race that is designed to produce combat units "just in time"(zerg) having those larva is as crucial as for the race that has the slowest reinforcments (terran) to keep it's fighting units alive for as long as possible (shoot and scoot). If you miss an triple injection for 10starcraft seconds (3base zerg like in losiras case) you not only get your units later, but you will have ~5larva less for the rest of the game. So do it fast. It shouldn't take more than 5 seconds to inject your hatcherys, and that's if your going to each one and looking at it. You can do it other, faster, ways such as the backspace method as well as larva injecting on the minimap. This is what APM is for, and what seperated the good from the great in BW and will in SC2. Seeing the comments here shocked me, both players played extremely well. I'll have to post why in my battle report +analysis. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
And Losira - what the hell man? Expected so much more! Haven't watched those VODs yet but i am not expecting great things  | ||
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VictorX
United States773 Posts
-Make drones whenever possible, expand whenever possible -Win in super-late game by out-macroing opponent So basically, Zerg aggression is applauded as trying untested waters However, the metagame of Terran for many months has been 1 base or 2 base all-ins, with gems such as the PDD+banshee all in done vs Toss, thor rushes, scv/marine all in, 2port banshee vs zerg and etc. etc. etc. So although the aggressive style is comparatively the same for both races, the difference in percieved metagames makes one race's aggression "new and innovative" and another race's "cheesey standard" Another example of this is people don't bat an eye anymore when Terrans do multi-pronged dropship harass in TvP, but recently Zergs have been praised highly for their usage of overlord drops to punish Toss the same way a Terran would (Spanishiwa, idrA, Mondragon). Opposite effect: Terrans are noted and praised for multiple orbital commands/ mass expand strategies, while it's almost standard for zerg to have 5+ bases at the endgame, so not much is made of it other than "oh look a Zerg" | ||
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MUFFINS1
United States533 Posts
On May 04 2011 10:51 whatthefat wrote: People are making a big deal of Losira losing his infestors, and yeah his control was bad, but I don't think that would have saved him. At best he would have gotten one extra fungal out of each of them, and probably not even that. I think losing his third was what sealed the deal, and that came down to losing a few too many lings and unfortunate ling placement on a few occasions. Losira just didn't play his best in any of the games unfortunately. The fact that he managed to hold such terrible positions for so long is a testament to how good he is. Imagine 5 more infestors in his army, that is a periodical 5 fungal growths. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
from gomtv ![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/28090.jpg) so its SC vs Anypro/Nestea and Nada vs Inca/Sangho | ||
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kiniko
Canada163 Posts
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Geegeez
Canada226 Posts
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
Losira would have had a much better winning chance if he didn't throw away so many infestors and if he didn't lose his third base. Losing the third pretty much cost him the game IMO. I also don't think he should have gone roaches, since he already saw marauders on the first push. Roaches are also not that cost efficient against marines (marine vs roach is equal in cost efficiency if I remember correctly) and he should have spent more gas instead of pumping so many lings which do almost nothing against balls of infantry. | ||
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
On May 04 2011 12:29 MUFFINS1 wrote: Imagine 5 more infestors in his army, that is a periodical 5 fungal growths. It takes over 2 in-game minutes to regenerate 75 energy though, and that's assuming they don't get sniped in the meantime even with good micro. I'm not saying it wouldn't have helped, I just don't think it was the deciding factor. | ||
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Robonord
United States311 Posts
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
On May 04 2011 13:38 Robonord wrote: I don't really care who wins this GSL anymore I just hope this sC kid gets destroyed in the next round. And this kid has the nerve to dance his marines and drop mules like hes better then Losira. LOL. Grats on being TSL_Rain #2. He'll get trashed in the next round then he'll probably be in up and down matches after that just like Rain. Not impressed with his play what-so-ever. I thought sC had great micro in game 1, but yeah the dancing was a little much. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On May 04 2011 10:36 PartyBiscuit wrote: sC for the first time impressed me today, I knew he would do at least one 2rax (the boy loves that stuff based off the FXOpen replays of him and zergs lol), but game 1 he heavily outmicroed Losira like no other. He transitioned into marauders when necessary and maintained constant aggression without blindly losing units. He added the third CC when his base was running dry and was able to focus enough to run his scvs from the 2 banes Losira snuck into his mineral line. People arguing he just cheesed...it's hardly that sC made some marines and A-moved into Losira's base, if he did that Losira would have won easily, but sC's micro was MKPesque there. If the Terran attacks before the 35 minute mark, it's cheese. If Terran wins in a macro game, it's just imba. Lol@ people crying about the dancing. LosirA is very cocky and dances and stuff as well, just get over it. I'm a big losirA fan as well, but it's fun to see him get a taste of his own medicine. I also find it difficult to see how losira was so heavily favored to win this match. He just beat supernova 4-3 in the code a finals, and in tvz, sC is comfortably better IMO. Were tastosis giving him next to no chance before the series? Hate it when they overhype someone and just dismiss their opponent. | ||
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minru
United States78 Posts
On May 04 2011 13:45 HolyArrow wrote: Funny how much of a hard time some people give sC for dancing, when LosirA did the exact thing against Bomber but actually LOST because of it in the GSTL. Well that's because Losira is a Zerg and Zergs are UP.  | ||
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Daniel C
Hong Kong1606 Posts
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
Also notice that each of them play Zerg, which is the race i like to play. I'm not crying imbalance (except the imbalance of a curse!), I'm just saying... if you want to know who's going to lose, just ask me who I'm cheering for. P.S. Cheering for Nestea tonight. Let's hope the curse is broken.... :/ | ||
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