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pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
May 04 2011 02:11 GMT
#1821
How can people be hating on that game 1. Cheese all in whatever,who cares, that was some of the most prolonged excitement in a SC2 game ever and I was on the edge of my seat for 10 minutes straight.
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Shadow_Agha
Profile Joined January 2011
United States68 Posts
May 04 2011 02:18 GMT
#1822
As Zerg, I was quite disappointed in Losira vs Sc's game. I even got little annoyed. But putting that feeling aside, I thought of possible counter to sc's build in the 1st game.

Losira's micro was indeed terrible, especially with his infestors. But I've been wondering if Burrow tech would have won him the game. Sc's build rely heavily on mules to sustain that production cycle. Hence, burrow tech will either force Sc to scan or tech up to Raven and will not able to sustain the insane marine production. Burrow will also allow those expensive infestors to be more safe from those marines.

I am unsure if it would have got Losira a win, but I think it is a viable option.
ljdljd
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada15 Posts
May 04 2011 02:24 GMT
#1823
sC had nice marine split.
Losira bad bling and ling control.
End of story...
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 04 2011 02:33 GMT
#1824
On May 04 2011 10:16 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Damn, Losira did not play his best at all. Game 2 was just a stupid cheese which anyone could lose but Game 1 and 3 he outplayed sC for about 90% of the game but just let himself fall too far behind at the start.

Ah well, hopefully Losira does better next time.


Are you kidding me? Game 1, sC played great. Remember, Losira kinda forced him into this aggression by denying his third. Once the attack started, sC certainly outplayed Losira.
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 04 2011 02:35 GMT
#1825
On May 04 2011 04:03 Big J wrote:


a marine split takes a lot of micro
an equal baneling split takes the same, but you can only start it once the terran has started to split his marines, else you dont know in which directions to split your banelings



Marine split not only are splitting, but your running back and moving from direction to direction. Furthormore, your trying to minimize damage and get one marine per baneling(ideally.)

If zergs did banelings splits like you're talking about then it would be countereffective, as you don't want one baneling per marine. Furthormore, the fact that marines are ranged units and not melee like banelings means you are also kiting the banelings, while you don't kite with banelings just move forward endlessly with them.


becaus even progamers have limited micro abilities, and a newly spawned infestor that used his fungal turns useless for 2-3mins, thats why in pressure situations like those, when losira defended, counterattacked and tried to intercept reinforcments at the same time, he doesnt have more than a few clicks to tell some zerglings to attack some marines, if by accident he boxes an infestor with them, the infestor will run into them too.
it's a serious waste of ressources but except for the first infestor, non of the others would have been able to fungal again in this game I believe, but I would have to rewatch it and check the times to be sure.


You can't use lack of micro as an excuse. That's like saying banelings shouldn't have splash damage because it's too hard to do splits. Not having enough micro, especially when its just to seperate hotkeys, is not a valid excuse at all.

Of course I agree with you that losing the infestors didn't lose Losira the game, as they had already cast fungals. It showcases poor unit control in that instance, but overall Losira actually had excellent micro.

I do include inbattle injection to micro, because queens injections produce 6/10 of the zergs larva. A race that is designed to produce combat units "just in time"(zerg) having those larva is as crucial as for the race that has the slowest reinforcments (terran) to keep it's fighting units alive for as long as possible (shoot and scoot). If you miss an triple injection for 10starcraft seconds (3base zerg like in losiras case) you not only get your units later, but you will have ~5larva less for the rest of the game.

So do it fast. It shouldn't take more than 5 seconds to inject your hatcherys, and that's if your going to each one and looking at it. You can do it other, faster, ways such as the backspace method as well as larva injecting on the minimap. This is what APM is for, and what seperated the good from the great in BW and will in SC2.


Seeing the comments here shocked me, both players played extremely well. I'll have to post why in my battle report +analysis.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
May 04 2011 02:37 GMT
#1826
Well these results complete messed my liquibet. Every time i convince myself to bet on NaDa he plays terrible but every GSL he just shines - it is SO insane.

And Losira - what the hell man? Expected so much more! Haven't watched those VODs yet but i am not expecting great things
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
VictorX
Profile Joined April 2011
United States773 Posts
May 04 2011 02:54 GMT
#1827
People praise Zergs for being aggressive because for a very long time Zerg play has been:
-Make drones whenever possible, expand whenever possible
-Win in super-late game by out-macroing opponent

So basically, Zerg aggression is applauded as trying untested waters


However, the metagame of Terran for many months has been 1 base or 2 base all-ins, with gems such as the PDD+banshee all in done vs Toss, thor rushes, scv/marine all in, 2port banshee vs zerg and etc. etc. etc.

So although the aggressive style is comparatively the same for both races, the difference in percieved metagames makes one race's aggression "new and innovative" and another race's "cheesey standard"


Another example of this is people don't bat an eye anymore when Terrans do multi-pronged dropship harass in TvP, but recently Zergs have been praised highly for their usage of overlord drops to punish Toss the same way a Terran would (Spanishiwa, idrA, Mondragon).


Opposite effect: Terrans are noted and praised for multiple orbital commands/ mass expand strategies, while it's almost standard for zerg to have 5+ bases at the endgame, so not much is made of it other than "oh look a Zerg"
MUFFINS1
Profile Joined March 2011
United States533 Posts
May 04 2011 03:29 GMT
#1828
On May 04 2011 10:51 whatthefat wrote:
People are making a big deal of Losira losing his infestors, and yeah his control was bad, but I don't think that would have saved him. At best he would have gotten one extra fungal out of each of them, and probably not even that. I think losing his third was what sealed the deal, and that came down to losing a few too many lings and unfortunate ling placement on a few occasions. Losira just didn't play his best in any of the games unfortunately. The fact that he managed to hold such terrible positions for so long is a testament to how good he is.

Imagine 5 more infestors in his army, that is a periodical 5 fungal growths.
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sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
May 04 2011 03:30 GMT
#1829
why are people kept saying its Nada-SC in semi ?

from gomtv

[image loading]

so its SC vs Anypro/Nestea and Nada vs Inca/Sangho

Put quote here for readability
kiniko
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada163 Posts
May 04 2011 03:42 GMT
#1830
Really sad that Losira lost, I really thought he could win the GSL..I guess it is up to Nestea to avenge his teammate. Despite the loss today, I really think Losira is still one of the best zergs out there. Game 3 was just sick the way he held on till the very end despite being extremely behind since losing the hidden third.
Geegeez
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada226 Posts
May 04 2011 03:47 GMT
#1831
Come on Inca & Nestea! Looking forward to the next matches.
Genome852
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States979 Posts
May 04 2011 04:33 GMT
#1832
Game 1 was great... I think that the few people that think it wasn't worth watching have never tried doing such a build before... it requires a lot of micro. It's not just "rally barracks into enemy base and watch" like some ignorant posters seem to believe.

Losira would have had a much better winning chance if he didn't throw away so many infestors and if he didn't lose his third base. Losing the third pretty much cost him the game IMO. I also don't think he should have gone roaches, since he already saw marauders on the first push. Roaches are also not that cost efficient against marines (marine vs roach is equal in cost efficiency if I remember correctly) and he should have spent more gas instead of pumping so many lings which do almost nothing against balls of infantry.
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
May 04 2011 04:36 GMT
#1833
On May 04 2011 12:29 MUFFINS1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2011 10:51 whatthefat wrote:
People are making a big deal of Losira losing his infestors, and yeah his control was bad, but I don't think that would have saved him. At best he would have gotten one extra fungal out of each of them, and probably not even that. I think losing his third was what sealed the deal, and that came down to losing a few too many lings and unfortunate ling placement on a few occasions. Losira just didn't play his best in any of the games unfortunately. The fact that he managed to hold such terrible positions for so long is a testament to how good he is.

Imagine 5 more infestors in his army, that is a periodical 5 fungal growths.


It takes over 2 in-game minutes to regenerate 75 energy though, and that's assuming they don't get sniped in the meantime even with good micro. I'm not saying it wouldn't have helped, I just don't think it was the deciding factor.
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Robonord
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States311 Posts
May 04 2011 04:38 GMT
#1834
I don't really care who wins this GSL anymore I just hope this sC kid gets destroyed in the next round. And this kid has the nerve to dance his marines and drop mules like hes better then Losira. LOL. Grats on being TSL_Rain #2. He'll get trashed in the next round then he'll probably be in up and down matches after that just like Rain. Not impressed with his play what-so-ever.

IMLosirA | ST_Bomber | SlayerS_Puzzle
Genome852
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States979 Posts
May 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#1835
On May 04 2011 13:38 Robonord wrote:
I don't really care who wins this GSL anymore I just hope this sC kid gets destroyed in the next round. And this kid has the nerve to dance his marines and drop mules like hes better then Losira. LOL. Grats on being TSL_Rain #2. He'll get trashed in the next round then he'll probably be in up and down matches after that just like Rain. Not impressed with his play what-so-ever.



I thought sC had great micro in game 1, but yeah the dancing was a little much.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 04 2011 04:45 GMT
#1836
Funny how much of a hard time some people give sC for dancing, when LosirA did the exact thing against Bomber but actually LOST because of it in the GSTL.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-04 04:56:23
May 04 2011 04:51 GMT
#1837
On May 04 2011 10:36 PartyBiscuit wrote:
sC for the first time impressed me today, I knew he would do at least one 2rax (the boy loves that stuff based off the FXOpen replays of him and zergs lol), but game 1 he heavily outmicroed Losira like no other. He transitioned into marauders when necessary and maintained constant aggression without blindly losing units. He added the third CC when his base was running dry and was able to focus enough to run his scvs from the 2 banes Losira snuck into his mineral line.

People arguing he just cheesed...it's hardly that sC made some marines and A-moved into Losira's base, if he did that Losira would have won easily, but sC's micro was MKPesque there.


If the Terran attacks before the 35 minute mark, it's cheese. If Terran wins in a macro game, it's just imba.


Lol@ people crying about the dancing. LosirA is very cocky and dances and stuff as well, just get over it. I'm a big losirA fan as well, but it's fun to see him get a taste of his own medicine.

I also find it difficult to see how losira was so heavily favored to win this match. He just beat supernova 4-3 in the code a finals, and in tvz, sC is comfortably better IMO. Were tastosis giving him next to no chance before the series? Hate it when they overhype someone and just dismiss their opponent.
minru
Profile Joined August 2010
United States78 Posts
May 04 2011 08:01 GMT
#1838
On May 04 2011 13:45 HolyArrow wrote:
Funny how much of a hard time some people give sC for dancing, when LosirA did the exact thing against Bomber but actually LOST because of it in the GSTL.


Well that's because Losira is a Zerg and Zergs are UP.
Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
May 04 2011 08:09 GMT
#1839
lol@zerg QQ. Go back to your 10 min no rush BGH games plz...........
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
May 04 2011 21:03 GMT
#1840
I just want you guys to know that I am the reason Losira lost. Anyone who i cheer for, loses... Here are some examples: CheckPrime? Barely stays a live in Code S. LeenockfOu? Not even in Code A anymore. Nestea? Had to play last season's up and down matches. Losira? Got his ass handed to him by scfOu. If I cheer for them, they will lose.

Also notice that each of them play Zerg, which is the race i like to play. I'm not crying imbalance (except the imbalance of a curse!), I'm just saying... if you want to know who's going to lose, just ask me who I'm cheering for.

P.S. Cheering for Nestea tonight. Let's hope the curse is broken.... :/
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
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