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The other sets were equally impressive! GGs to both players!$100 bo7 Spanishiwa vs. KawaiiRice! "The V" - Page 7
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Psyclon
Bulgaria2443 Posts
The other sets were equally impressive! GGs to both players! | ||
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moondoggy
United States14 Posts
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
On April 30 2011 10:03 DeltruS wrote: GosiTerran would be really cool. He is quite good but, as far as I know, the only tournament he has played in is the FXO invitational. Not only that, but he lost to Spanishiwa in an amazing Shakuras Plateau game casted by Husky recently, so there may be a slight grudge between them. I agree that this would be a pretty sick matchup | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On April 30 2011 12:57 VoirDire wrote: I'm surprised none of spanishiwas opponents actually counter his build. They must have heard of it by now. The counters are pretty laid out in the BO-threat by players like darkforce. It's not just a "build", he actually has quite a few variant builds, it's the whole mindset or strategy that is currently hard for most people to play against unless they: a) are mechanically superior player by far (which is how scfou iirc beat Spanishiwa in FXO) b) Have played enough games against that style of Zerg to intuitively understand the concept. Then there's the whole matter of dissecting his play and coming up with exact and properly timed strategies instead of going into games with just some vague counter ideas. It's weird that so many people mentioned Kawaii's beastly TvZ when it was always obvious that you can't bring your normal TvZ logic against this particular opponent. Anyway, it'd be interesting to see a ZvZ next. =) | ||
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FenneK
France1231 Posts
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On April 30 2011 17:11 Talin wrote: It's not just a "build", he actually has quite a few variant builds, it's the whole mindset or strategy that is currently hard for most people to play against unless they: a) are mechanically superior player by far (which is how scfou iirc beat Spanishiwa in FXO) b) Have played enough games against that style of Zerg to intuitively understand the concept. Then there's the whole matter of dissecting his play and coming up with exact and properly timed strategies instead of going into games with just some vague counter ideas. It's weird that so many people mentioned Kawaii's beastly TvZ when it was always obvious that you can't bring your normal TvZ logic against this particular opponent. Anyway, it'd be interesting to see a ZvZ next. =) Yeah I agree, his style of play is almost "random" in nature so his opponents are off balance and are not sure how to play him unlike players who go standard such as Idra. Its good to see Zerg players trying new strats and pushing the game to new levels. | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On April 30 2011 18:10 Topdoller wrote: Yeah I agree, his style of play is almost "random" in nature so his opponents are off balance and are not sure how to play him unlike players who go standard such as Idra. Its good to see Zerg players trying new strats and pushing the game to new levels. With the late gas, he has no scouting ability, no map control and no way to put on pressure. Yet people try to 2 base timing attack him. | ||
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AskJoshy
United States1625 Posts
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Spanishiwa
United States91 Posts
On April 30 2011 21:41 VoirDire wrote: With the late gas, he has no scouting ability, no map control and no way to put on pressure. Yet people try to 2 base timing attack him. Hey man don't hate. It's not like I went no gas every game -_-. I mix it up, depending on what i see.. sometimes I put fake gas, sometimes I do roach timings, or maybe baneling all in idk. Easy to say 'just counter' but scouting is difficult when your opponent is intentionally being tricky. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
That would be epic | ||
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Sentient66
United States651 Posts
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On May 01 2011 05:25 Spanishiwa wrote: Hey man don't hate. It's not like I went no gas every game -_-. I mix it up, depending on what i see.. sometimes I put fake gas, sometimes I do roach timings, or maybe baneling all in idk. Easy to say 'just counter' but scouting is difficult when your opponent is intentionally being tricky. I'm sorry, I'm actually hating. But I've been following the discussion by darkforce & co in the Ice fisher thread and I'm dying to actually see their "theorycraft" in action. There is a lot of proposed counters. But no real substance, like replays or vods of them working. That's why I felt so frustrated when I heard miniguns comment after his loss: air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should so that leaves you with 4 gate 4 gate 6 gate and 4 gate Which off course the ice fisher is great against. GAh. It would be very good for the "ratings" (*wink* *wink* "the V"-admins) to match you up with say... darkforce. I've learned a lot from your build btw, I try to delay my gas and ling speed as much I feel comfortable with in most of my games now. To be able to use both the first injects to drones does wonders for getting drone saturation. | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
gj man, keep up the good work! Have to say that your run on the V has been very entertaining to watch so far. | ||
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Klogbert
United States139 Posts
On April 30 2011 12:57 VoirDire wrote: I'm surprised none of spanishiwas opponents actually counter his build. They must have heard of it by now. The counters are pretty laid out in the BO-threat by players like darkforce. Maybe Darkforce was wrong...or his counter is hard to pull off. Either way I think that Spanish's build forces cheesy play, and people don't like to cheese at the pro level (not saying it doesn't happen, but unless it's combatEX they aren't going to prefer it.) | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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Vazure
United States5 Posts
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
I run the tournament roundup newsposts here on TL and these are by far the easiest showmatches to follow and track results. It's also the most exciting. =P Keep it up. | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On May 01 2011 10:59 VoirDire wrote: I'm sorry, I'm actually hating. But I've been following the discussion by darkforce & co in the Ice fisher thread and I'm dying to actually see their "theorycraft" in action. There is a lot of proposed counters. But no real substance, like replays or vods of them working. That's why I felt so frustrated when I heard miniguns comment after his loss: Which off course the ice fisher is great against. GAh. It would be very good for the "ratings" (*wink* *wink* "the V"-admins) to match you up with say... darkforce. I've learned a lot from your build btw, I try to delay my gas and ling speed as much I feel comfortable with in most of my games now. To be able to use both the first injects to drones does wonders for getting drone saturation. I've also followed it and I think, even though I respect darkforce and aknowledge him as a awesome player, there is some simplified thoughtprocess and bad deduction going on. I mean it's pretty damn obvious that Spanishiwa is actually good at his builds and by no means should that mean that any top player should emulate the exact style just within say like ten games (lol) and conclude that it's "somewhat ok, but this and that is lacking" etc. Ofc there are shortcomings to any build, but that's the point, there are obviously shortcomings to fast lingspeed / fast roach builds aswell. I think that every player needs to just adjust acording to how the feel like playing and what is most comfortable since you will always play your best in your own element. I know this sounds very vague, but I just feel that the counter arguments in that thread, even coming from top players, are pretty damn poor and based on the asumption that they are themselves executing everything perfectly - I just dont feel that, it's a argument that relies on "trust me on this one". Sadly nothing is unanimous, so it fails right away, atleast in my book. People should stop doubting that Spanishiwa is a good player. Sure the last three opponents here are not the best players in the world, but they are damn good players and it all have looked very convincinly. Go Spanishiwa! <3 | ||
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AskJoshy
United States1625 Posts
On May 01 2011 18:51 Mikilatov wrote: I just wanted to say that I love this showmatch series. I run the tournament roundup newsposts here on TL and these are by far the easiest showmatches to follow and track results. It's also the most exciting. =P Keep it up. No problemo Mikilatov, I try to keep everything running smoothly if I can, hehe. | ||
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