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compLexity Gaming is proud to announce WEEK 14 of its biggest initiative in the StarCraft 2 community, The V! The best test of skill in SC2 is of course the 1 v 1, and we're going to showcase it every week with a best of 7 series between two invited players. The winner will receive $100, and the loser will just have to hang his head in shame as he types "gg." Whoever wins The V will be expected to play the very next week at the same time!
Here are the details for Week 14:
Who: + Show Spoiler +Adrian "FnaticMSI.KawaiiRice"
Kwong - Terran![[image loading]](http://www.complexitygaming.com/uploads/depository/kawaiirice.png) Michael "Vile.Spanishiwa" Yabut - Zerg![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/m6K14.jpg)
When: Friday, April 29th, 23:00 GMT (+00:00) (7 p.m. EDT, 4 p.m. PDT)
Stream:
Cast by AskJoshy and potentially a compLexity Staff or Player co-caster. Stream can be seen on the front page of compLexityGaming.com
Format: Best of 7 series, map pool is as follows:
- Game 1: Shattered Temple
- Game 2: Tal'Darim Altar LE
- Game 3: Terminus RE
- Game 4: Metalopolis
- Game 5: Typhon Peaks
- Game 6: Xel'Naga Caverns
- Game 7: Crossfire SE
In the event of a disconnect, the game replay will be reviewed by a player panel to determine if a re-game is necessary. If one player disconnects three times in a single night, he will forfeit the series and the non-disconnecting player will be asked back to the next V.
Prizes: The winner of the best of 7 series will receive $100 via Paypal and be invited to play again the following week. The loser will receive nothing. Every week we have a different giveaway for our viewers, so be sure to tune in for instructions on how to win!
This week's prize package is worth $300 with prizes from Creative Soundblaster and Fry's Electronics!!! http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2693/#
So come join us for the fourteenth ever edition of "The V" and see if KawaiiRice from Fnatic MSI can topple our reigning champion (defeating Minigun in Week 12, 4-3 and Spades in Week 13, 4-2), Vile Gaming's Spanishiwa!
Please feel free to vote in the poll and leave a comment with your series score prediction!
Poll: Who will win The V Week 14?!Vile.Spanishiwa (149) 54% FnaticMSI.KawaiiRice (129) 46% 278 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 14?! (Vote): FnaticMSI.KawaiiRice
(Vote): Vile.Spanishiwa
Results! + Show Spoiler +Spanishiwa <Shattered Temple> KawaiiRice
Spanishiwa < Tal'Darim Altar > KawaiiRice
Spanishiwa < Terminus RE > KawaiiRice
Spanishiwa < Metalopolis > KawaiiRice
Spanishiwa < Typhon Peaks > KawaiiRice
Spanishiwa < Xel'Naga Caverns > KawaiiRice
Spanishiwa wins 4-2! Congratulations!
VODs! Start HERE with Game 1!!
Week 1 - 13 Archives! + Show Spoiler +Week 1 Stuff! Liquid`Tyler vs. ROOT.drewbie! + Show Spoiler +Week 2 Stuff! Liquid`Tyler vs. FXOSheth! + Show Spoiler +Results: + Show Spoiler +Tyler <Xel'Naga Caverns> Sheth
Tyler < Lost Temple > Sheth
Tyler < Delta Quadrant > Sheth
Tyler < Metalopolis > Sheth
Tyler < Shakuras Plateau > Sheth
Tyler < Scrap Station > Sheth
Tyler < Blistering Sands > Sheth
Sheth wins 4-3! Congratulations! Poll: Who will win The V Week 2?Liquid`Tyler (95) 63% FXOSheth (56) 37% 151 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 2? (Vote): Liquid`Tyler
(Vote): FXOSheth
FXOSheth vs. NrG.dde! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 3?FXOSheth (55) 59% NrG.dde (38) 41% 93 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 3? (Vote): FXOSheth
(Vote): NrG.dde
Results: + Show Spoiler +Sheth <Metalopolis> dde
Sheth < Xel'Naga Caverns > dde
Sheth < Scrap Station > dde
Sheth < Lost Temple > dde
Sheth < Delta Quadrant > dde
dde wins 4-1! Congratulations! Start HERE with Game 1. (Keep in mind I am a moron and had my mic muted for the first game, it comes back in game 2.) NrG.dde vs. EG.Axslav! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 4?!EG.Axslav (46) 61% NrG.dde (29) 39% 75 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 4?! (Vote): NrG.dde
(Vote): EG.Axslav
Results:+ Show Spoiler +Axslav < Xel'Naga Caverns > dde
Axslav < Metalopolis > dde
Axslav < Delta Quadrant > dde
Axslav < Lost Temple > dde
Axslav wins 4-0! Congratulations! EG.Axslav vs. ROOT.Slush! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 5?!EG.Axslav (39) 51% ROOTSLush (38) 49% 77 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 5?! (Vote): EG.Axslav
(Vote): ROOTSLush
Results: + Show Spoiler +Axslav <Metalopolis> Slush
Axslav < Lost Temple > Slush
Axslav < Xel'Naga Caverns > Slush
Axslav < Shakuras Plateau > Slush
Axslav < Steppes of War > Slush
Axslav wins 4-1! Congratulations! : Clicky Clicky!Here's an interview with our winner!: + Show Spoiler + EG.Axslav vs. Dignitas SjoW! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 6?!Dignitas SjoW (54) 56% EG.Axslav (43) 44% 97 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 6?! (Vote): EG.Axslav
(Vote): Dignitas SjoW
Results: + Show Spoiler +Axslav <Xel'Naga Caverns> SjoW
Axslav < Scrap Station > SjoW
Axslav < Metalopolis > SjoW
Axslav < Lost Temple > SjoW
Axslav < Shakuras Plateau > SjoW
Axslav < Blistering Sands > SjoW
Axslav < Steppes of War > SjoW
SjoW wins 4-3! Congratulations! : Start here with Game 1! coL.CrunCher vs. LG.PainUser! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 7?!LG.PainUser (68) 62% coL.CrunCher (41) 38% 109 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 7?! (Vote): LG.PainUser
(Vote): coL.CrunCher
Results: + Show Spoiler +PainUser < Xel'Naga Caverns > CrunCher
Painuser < Shattered Temple > CrunCher
PainUser < Crossfire SE > CrunCher
PainUser < Metalopolis > CrunCher
PainUser < Typhon Peaks > CrunCher
Congratulations to CrunCher for winning 4-1! : Start here with Game 1! coL.CrunCher vs. Dignitas SjoW! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 8?!Dignitas SjoW (80) 75% coL.CrunCher (26) 25% 106 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 8?! (Vote): Dignitas SjoW
(Vote): coL.CrunCher
Results: + Show Spoiler +SjoW < Xel'Naga Caverns > CrunCher
SjoW < Shattered Temple > CrunCher This sucker was a stalemate! We re-gamed.
SjoW < Shattered Temple > CrunCher
SjoW < Crossfire SE > CrunCher
SjoW < Metalopolis > CrunCher
SjoW < Typhon Peaks > CrunCher
Congratulations to CrunCher for winning 4-1! Start here with game 1! : coL.CrunCher vs. EG.LzGaMeR! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 9?!CrunCher (37) 58% LzGaMeR (27) 42% 64 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 9?! (Vote): CrunCher
(Vote): LzGaMeR
Results: + Show Spoiler +LzGaMeR < Xel'Naga Caverns > CrunCher
LzGaMeR < Shattered Temple > CrunCher
LzGaMeR < Crossfire SE > CrunCher
LzGaMeR < Metalopolis > CrunCher
LzGaMeR < Typhon Peaks > CrunCher
Congratulations to CrunCher for winning 4-1! : coL.CrunCher vs. EG.StrifeCro + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 10?!CrunCher (36) 59% StrifeCro (25) 41% 61 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 10?! (Vote): CrunCher
(Vote): StrifeCro
Results: + Show Spoiler +CrunCher <Shattered Temple> StrifeCro
CrunCher < Backwater Gulch > StrifeCro
CrunCher < Terminus RE > StrifeCro
CrunCher < Metalopolis > StrifeCro
CrunCher wins 4-0! Congratulations! Start here with Game 1!: coL.CrunCher vs. Root.Minigun + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 11?Root.Minigun (74) 60% coL.CrunCher (50) 40% 124 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 11? (Vote): coL.CrunCher
(Vote): Root.Minigun
Results: + Show Spoiler +CrunCher <Shattered Temple> Minigun
CrunCher < Backwater Gulch > Minigun
CrunCher < Terminus RE > Minigun
CrunCher < Metalopolis > Minigun
CrunCher < Typhon Peaks > Minigun
CrunCher < Xel'Naga Caverns > Minigun
CrunCher < Crossfire SE > Minigun
Minigun wins 4-3! Congratulations! : Start here with Game 1!: Root.Minigun vs. Vile.Spanishiwa + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 12?!Vile.Spanishiwa (222) 55% Root.Minigun (185) 45% 407 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 12?! (Vote): Root.Minigun
(Vote): Vile.Spanishiwa
Results! + Show Spoiler +Spanishiwa <Shattered Temple> Minigun
Spanishiwa < Backwater Gulch > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Terminus RE > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Metalopolis > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Typhon Peaks > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Xel'Naga Caverns > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Crossfire SE > Minigun
Spanishiwa wins 4-3! Congratulations! Start here with Game 1! : Vile.Spanishiwa vs. VT.Spades + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 13?!Spanishiwa (173) 87% Spades (25) 13% 198 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 13?! (Vote): Spanishiwa
(Vote): Spades
Results! + Show Spoiler +Spanishiwa <Shattered Temple> Spades
Spanishiwa < Backwater Gulch > Spades
Spanishiwa < Terminus RE > Spades
Spanishiwa < Metalopolis > Spades
Spanishiwa < Typhon Peaks > Spades
Spanishiwa < Xel'Naga Caverns > Spades
Spanishiwa wins 4-2! Congratulations! : Start here with Game 1!
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Hype hype hype :D I'm looking forward to this one.
Also lol@Spanishiwa's face
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loving the V so far, great work
however, i must say it unfortunately lacks some top level players, perhaps you can squeeze more out of the sponsor or try to convince some of the higher level pros to commit to an act of charity by doing a couple showmatches for their fans on your show
(now i know you know this, and have tried to do so, but the format is great, so it's sad to not see this going as far as it could go for lack of funds or motivation by potential players; though it does well to promote the second-third tier of pros, so i guess there's that)
e:[no offense to the players btw, there's been some great play and entertaining matches thus far]
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Well of course I'd love to have IdrA, KiWiKaKi, SeleCT, etc. playing here but sometimes players are busy with other tournaments or just don't enjoy playing in showmatches. =P I do like showcasing players that aren't -always- in the limelight as well.
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Kawaii so cute ^^ gogogo!
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On April 29 2011 01:37 KawaiiRice wrote:
go me
this
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KawaiiRice has some of the best TvZ in the world. I can't imagine him losing this series.
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Kawaiis TvZ is brutal. predicting 4-1
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Better work on my 6 pool  .
An honor to play you, KR 
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KawaiiRice ownage because he is on another level than spanishwa. 4-0 easy win imo
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gonna be tough for spanishiwa, but i think he can pull it off!
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oooooh the V fighting!
think kawaii will take it though, his tvz so good
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AhahhhaHAhhHAH Kawaii ganna wwwinnnnn!
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Having just watched all the Spanishiwa games cast by Husky WAARRR SPANISHAWA!!!!!
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Span, you better have like 50 queens at some point during one of the games
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I think it is gonna be close. I will say this. I am rooting for KR because I like playing Terran. I voted for Spanishiwa because I absolutely love watching him play.
I really don't know who is going to take this.
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kawaiirice fiiitinggg!!!
looking forward to this event hahhahahha <3333
this might not be as close but it'll certainly be interesting to watch
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You nonbelievers. Spanishiwa's got this. xD
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My two favorite players in a best of SEVEN? YESSSSS!
Vote has got to go to Kawaii though .
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Why isn't this on the event calendar. :o
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100-0 kawaii. Spanish doesn't stand a chance. At all.
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are we on MLG maps? I don't want close positions
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I'm suprised so many people voted for Span...
Kawaii is a better player and Spans playstyle isn't secret or anything. This should be an easy 4-1 despite the fact I like span as a player.
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Spanishiwa is good, but KawaiiRice is a fucking beast, hes gon win.
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On April 29 2011 01:38 anatem wrote:
loving the V so far, great work
however, i must say it unfortunately lacks some top level players, perhaps you can squeeze more out of the sponsor or try to convince some of the higher level pros to commit to an act of charity by doing a couple showmatches for their fans on your show
(now i know you know this, and have tried to do so, but the format is great, so it's sad to not see this going as far as it could go for lack of funds or motivation by potential players; though it does well to promote the second-third tier of pros, so i guess there's that)
e:[no offense to the players btw, there's been some great play and entertaining matches thus far]
lol? Have you seen the list of previous matchups? Tyler, Sheth, DDE, Painuser, SjoW, CrunCher, etc, etc, etc...
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Was hoping for another ZvP but KawaiiRice is a good opponent
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On April 29 2011 07:22 KawaiiRice wrote:
are we on MLG maps? I don't want close positions
Haha, this is amazing
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On April 29 2011 07:22 KawaiiRice wrote:
are we on MLG maps? I don't want close positions
Yep, we use the MLG versions for maps that have them. =)
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Hahaha, so many deluded people voting Spanishiwa over Kawaii.
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Why isn't the stream online?
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Yeah, time in the op was 23 minutes ago.
Maybe the day is wrong and it is tomorrow on the 30th?
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The date tag sometimes fucks up, I think. It doesn't update the day when the time zone differences cross over into the next day.
e.g. It's 1900 on the 29th for the US, which would mean 0100 on the 30th for us Europeans. But the day doesn't update so it shows 0100 on the 29th for us (which was 37 minutes ago, and which is why there's a couple confused Europeans in the stream chat right now. :lol)
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Updated op with prizes for the viewers! =o Can't wait to cast this. =)
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I'm really excited to see where Spanishiwa fits in in future ESPORTS events because his raw creativity even puts CatZ to shame.
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Lok-Yin hwaiting~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!
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I think Kawaii has this... but at the same time I wouldn't be shocked if he lost.
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I'll just keep chucking harder and harder opponents at him until he loses. =P
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On April 30 2011 01:21 JoshSuth wrote:
I'll just keep chucking harder and harder opponents at him until he loses. =P
if kawaiirice wins... give him a protoss next.
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KR is a total monster against zerg, as much as i like Spanish, i can't see him winning this one. Nevertheless, i will be cheering for him all through the event!
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On April 30 2011 01:23 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 01:21 JoshSuth wrote:
I'll just keep chucking harder and harder opponents at him until he loses. =P if kawaiirice wins... give him a protoss next.
Why's that? Just about 4 more hours 'til we get this show on the road. =D
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Cuz he's terribad vs protoss 
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Just 90 more minutes. =O Get your popcorn.
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Man, that poll is pretty damn close.
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I luv Spanishiwa style, but KR has an absolutely devastating TvZ.. I don't think it's gonna be even close.
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KR should just sC him and 11 rax 12 rax opener every game =p
GoGo KR fighting!~ =)
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Spanishiwa fighting! Props for complexity for making my boring friday night somewhat intressting.
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That creep spread is ridic
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sorry spanishiwa, you are dead !: D
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On April 30 2011 08:18 drewbie.root wrote:
sorry spanishiwa, you are dead !: D
He just... won
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Sick game 1 from Spanishiwa
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wow, that was a pretty awesome game.
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Spanishiwa never disappoints <3
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I think kawaii should have gotten ghosts! he had 2500 gas. Ghosts are the future but well played by spanish.
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On April 29 2011 07:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
100-0 kawaii. Spanish doesn't stand a chance. At all.
Uh oh!!!
Spanishiwa!!!
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wow! relentless assault by spanishiwa
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That was such a weird back and forth there. I don't think I've ever seen anyone else backup Broodlords with Queens. Spanishiwa completely wore KR down with that strat too..
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Any way we could get ingame sound?
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On April 30 2011 08:21 Fighter wrote:
That was such a weird back and forth there. I don't think I've ever seen anyone else backup Broodlords with Queens. Spanishiwa completely wore KR down with that strat too..
Queens are good with late game 200/200 zerg armies. It is really cost-effective to transfuse ultras and broodlords, and it even often pays off to transfuse corruptors. Plus if they mix in a few vikings to counter your broodlords, overlords (for drops) and/or overseer for detection (if T goes ghost), then they are quite effective as anti-air. Otherwise vikings can be extremely detrimental.
EDIT: Plus often you have mineral surplus you can use on queens.
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wow Spanishiwa just owned Kawaiirice with nydus...like totally destroyed him O_O
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Kawaiirice is going to need to do some earlier pressure if he doesn't want to keep getting rofflestomped. He let Spanishiwa drone and expand for like 8 minutes before moving out.
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Oh god, Spanishiwa dominated that one... I at least thought KawaiiRice would've been able to do more damage with his push and maybe go for a base trade.
That's an especially good map for Nydus, btw... since the main bases are so large. Wasn't there another game recently where this happened? The protoss, I believe, ended up hunkering down at his natural and sacking his main, but the zerg eventually took it. I wanna say it was Zenio but I'm not sure...
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God, I just love Spanishiwa
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On April 30 2011 08:26 rasnj wrote:
Queens are good with late game 200/200 zerg armies. It is really cost-effective to transfuse ultras and broodlords, and it even often pays off to transfuse corruptors. Plus if they mix in a few vikings to counter your broodlords, overlords (for drops) and/or overseer for detection (if T goes ghost), then they are quite effective as anti-air. Otherwise vikings can be extremely detrimental.
EDIT: Plus often you have mineral surplus you can use on queens.
This, plus queens are <only> 2 supply, which makes for a stronger overall 200/200 compared to other ranged zerg units like roaches or hydras. I actually think the only times I see a zerg army win in a late game straight up fight is when there are ultralisks or brood lords backed up by mass infuses.
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Haha, Spanishiwa playing the meta game to it's fullest.
Poor Kawaii.
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Kawaiii noooooo don't attack
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Nice play there by KR.
1-2 in favor of Spanishiwa.
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Good game. Kawaii just has really top notch micro. I think he's starting to adjust to spani's crazy style
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On April 30 2011 08:18 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 08:18 drewbie.root wrote:
sorry spanishiwa, you are dead !: D He just... won
Wait, what? Sup?
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Aw, too bad about that nydus
He had so much time to get it up.
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Spanishiwa is a great zerg and i love his builds. And i think that he will only get better. But to me it seems like he is not that experienced and a little to eager.
I am sure he will be one of the best zergs of America one day. When you watch idra u know that you are watching an experienced player,
Hopefully spanishiwa one day will get the same experience...
Just my 5 cents...
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I really like this commentary . First time hearing Josh-"who" and I'm nicely impressed.
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How do you deal with this? kill him faster lol
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"lmao how do you deal with this
gg"
3-2 Spani
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"lmoa how do u deal with this" - KR
Haha, yeah that looks pretty frustrating! I do wonder why other pros haven't been experimenting with Spanishiwa's style..
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Wouldn't ghosts absolutely destroy that? Queen emped. And snipe is really good vs broodlords, especially when they are in low counts
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that looked difficult to deal with indeed. But
gsl spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +mvp handled it well when min kinda did a similar thing
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On April 30 2011 09:03 caracarn wrote:
Spanishiwa is a great zerg and i love his builds. And i think that he will only get better. But to me it seems like he is not that experienced and a little to eager.
I am sure he will be one of the best zergs of America one day. When you watch idra u know that you are watching an experienced player,
Hopefully spanishiwa one day will get the same experience...
Just my 5 cents...
Let us pray he doesn't start playing like Idra.. that would be depressing.
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This series is so good. Game 5 was sick.
Honestly, the biggest part of why I'm a fan of Spanishiwa (and his build) is because it just produces highly entertaining games at an alarming rate. :lol
Well played by KawaiiRice as well. Although I do have to chuckle a bit at the irony of a Terran asking how to deal with a slow "siege push" from Zerg Broodlords + Queens and Corruptors. haha
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Queens and Broodlords. Its amazing how fast Spanishiwa tech to broodlords. They were morphing around 12min mark...O.O
Gogo Spanshwa!! ^^
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On April 30 2011 09:16 1Eris1 wrote:
Wouldn't ghosts absolutely destroy that? Queen emped. And snipe is really good vs broodlords, especially when they are in low counts
I'd like to see Ghosts for sure, EMP on Queens and infestors is money.
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On April 30 2011 09:18 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 09:16 1Eris1 wrote:
Wouldn't ghosts absolutely destroy that? Queen emped. And snipe is really good vs broodlords, especially when they are in low counts I'd like to see Ghosts for sure, EMP on Queens and infestors is money.
Yes I think in 2 SotG ago Idra said he liked Spanishiwa style and he played it months ago (or a variation) vs TLO and did some mad emp snipe play and he hasn't touched that type of play since. (but it was a variation so take it with a grain of salt.)
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If spanishiwa wins this, but him against someone who criticizes his build in the BO-thread. Like darkforce or morrow.
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Wow. Kawaii's a fighter. I thought he had lost that game
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Omg, dat nydus transfuse! Then hop back in! xDD
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So has Spanishiwa been told of late how sexy his play style is?
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sick sick games by Spanish
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man he plays so weird lolol
ggs fun games
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Thanks to both of the players! And Josh.
Good games indeed.
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i think spanshiwa is the better player as of late
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I'm getting pretty excited for next week already!
Can't wait to see who Josh has waiting in the wings, I assume there should be quite a few volunteers by now wanting to take down Spanishiwa.
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I'm astonished by the result. Gratz to the winner.
This whole showmatch thing is pretty awesome.
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Gratz to Spanishiwa. Listening to the interview now and he seems like a great guy and really humble. Will keep cheering for him forever just cuz he seems like a cool dude...
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Was only able to watch the first two but spanishwa is easily becoming one of my favorites to watch.
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GosiTerran would be really cool. He is quite good but, as far as I know, the only tournament he has played in is the FXO invitational. Not only that, but he lost to Spanishiwa in an amazing Shakuras Plateau game casted by Husky recently, so there may be a slight grudge between them.
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I wanna see Spanishiwa vs some badass pros, just to see what he is capable of.
Not saying KawaiiRice isnt badass, but you know .p
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Updated the OP with results, working on the VODs now. =)
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This guy is amazing... His impact on the game is so huge and he just appeared from no where blasting through some really tough players..GOGO Spanishiwa
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I like "The V"
Saturday morning is perfect timing, relaxed and fun atmosphere, interesting players
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Can spanishiwa beat cruncher's 4 win record?!?
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On April 30 2011 12:26 Mitchlew wrote:
Can spanishiwa beat cruncher's 4 win record?!?
Depends how long he can avoid facing a good Z.
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super strong drops from kawaii~
GGs, wp sir!
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On April 30 2011 10:07 Rylaji wrote:
I wanna see Spanishiwa vs some badass pros, just to see what he is capable of.
Not saying KawaiiRice isnt badass, but you know .p
actually kawaiirice's TvZ is world class... he is actually one of the best players in that match up.
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Kawai TvZ is pretty sick, i didn't thought spanishiwa could do this, I'm impressed more and more by this guy Gratz.
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I'm surprised none of spanishiwas opponents actually counter his build. They must have heard of it by now. The counters are pretty laid out in the BO-threat by players like darkforce.
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wow results totally surprised me... much congrats to the winner!
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Just watched the games from the stream's archives - games 1 and 5 - now that's what i call a slow push The other sets were equally impressive! GGs to both players!
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i'm looking forward to this one quite a bit
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On April 30 2011 10:03 DeltruS wrote:
GosiTerran would be really cool. He is quite good but, as far as I know, the only tournament he has played in is the FXO invitational. Not only that, but he lost to Spanishiwa in an amazing Shakuras Plateau game casted by Husky recently, so there may be a slight grudge between them.
I agree that this would be a pretty sick matchup
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On April 30 2011 12:57 VoirDire wrote:
I'm surprised none of spanishiwas opponents actually counter his build. They must have heard of it by now. The counters are pretty laid out in the BO-threat by players like darkforce.
It's not just a "build", he actually has quite a few variant builds, it's the whole mindset or strategy that is currently hard for most people to play against unless they:
a) are mechanically superior player by far (which is how scfou iirc beat Spanishiwa in FXO)
b) Have played enough games against that style of Zerg to intuitively understand the concept.
Then there's the whole matter of dissecting his play and coming up with exact and properly timed strategies instead of going into games with just some vague counter ideas. It's weird that so many people mentioned Kawaii's beastly TvZ when it was always obvious that you can't bring your normal TvZ logic against this particular opponent.
Anyway, it'd be interesting to see a ZvZ next. =)
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Damn Spanishiwa looks solid, but not unbeatable. There are definitely some timings to exploit as Terran.
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On April 30 2011 17:11 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 12:57 VoirDire wrote:
I'm surprised none of spanishiwas opponents actually counter his build. They must have heard of it by now. The counters are pretty laid out in the BO-threat by players like darkforce. It's not just a "build", he actually has quite a few variant builds, it's the whole mindset or strategy that is currently hard for most people to play against unless they: a) are mechanically superior player by far (which is how scfou iirc beat Spanishiwa in FXO) b) Have played enough games against that style of Zerg to intuitively understand the concept. Then there's the whole matter of dissecting his play and coming up with exact and properly timed strategies instead of going into games with just some vague counter ideas. It's weird that so many people mentioned Kawaii's beastly TvZ when it was always obvious that you can't bring your normal TvZ logic against this particular opponent. Anyway, it'd be interesting to see a ZvZ next. =)
Yeah I agree, his style of play is almost "random" in nature so his opponents are off balance and are not sure how to play him unlike players who go standard such as Idra.
Its good to see Zerg players trying new strats and pushing the game to new levels.
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On April 30 2011 18:10 Topdoller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 17:11 Talin wrote:On April 30 2011 12:57 VoirDire wrote:
I'm surprised none of spanishiwas opponents actually counter his build. They must have heard of it by now. The counters are pretty laid out in the BO-threat by players like darkforce. It's not just a "build", he actually has quite a few variant builds, it's the whole mindset or strategy that is currently hard for most people to play against unless they: a) are mechanically superior player by far (which is how scfou iirc beat Spanishiwa in FXO) b) Have played enough games against that style of Zerg to intuitively understand the concept. Then there's the whole matter of dissecting his play and coming up with exact and properly timed strategies instead of going into games with just some vague counter ideas. It's weird that so many people mentioned Kawaii's beastly TvZ when it was always obvious that you can't bring your normal TvZ logic against this particular opponent. Anyway, it'd be interesting to see a ZvZ next. =) Yeah I agree, his style of play is almost "random" in nature so his opponents are off balance and are not sure how to play him unlike players who go standard such as Idra. Its good to see Zerg players trying new strats and pushing the game to new levels.
With the late gas, he has no scouting ability, no map control and no way to put on pressure. Yet people try to 2 base timing attack him.
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The HD VODs are online now! You can start HERE with Game 1! The rest are added as video responses so you can go from one game to the next easily. =)
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On April 30 2011 21:41 VoirDire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 18:10 Topdoller wrote:On April 30 2011 17:11 Talin wrote:On April 30 2011 12:57 VoirDire wrote:
I'm surprised none of spanishiwas opponents actually counter his build. They must have heard of it by now. The counters are pretty laid out in the BO-threat by players like darkforce. It's not just a "build", he actually has quite a few variant builds, it's the whole mindset or strategy that is currently hard for most people to play against unless they: a) are mechanically superior player by far (which is how scfou iirc beat Spanishiwa in FXO) b) Have played enough games against that style of Zerg to intuitively understand the concept. Then there's the whole matter of dissecting his play and coming up with exact and properly timed strategies instead of going into games with just some vague counter ideas. It's weird that so many people mentioned Kawaii's beastly TvZ when it was always obvious that you can't bring your normal TvZ logic against this particular opponent. Anyway, it'd be interesting to see a ZvZ next. =) Yeah I agree, his style of play is almost "random" in nature so his opponents are off balance and are not sure how to play him unlike players who go standard such as Idra. Its good to see Zerg players trying new strats and pushing the game to new levels. With the late gas, he has no scouting ability, no map control and no way to put on pressure. Yet people try to 2 base timing attack him.
Hey man don't hate. It's not like I went no gas every game -_-. I mix it up, depending on what i see.. sometimes I put fake gas, sometimes I do roach timings, or maybe baneling all in idk. Easy to say 'just counter' but scouting is difficult when your opponent is intentionally being tricky.
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You're revolutionary and awesome Spanishiwa. Hope you go in bigger money tournaments to compete.
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Get artosis.
That would be epic
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Wow, fantastic games. Spanishiwa has been my favorite player to watch for a while now, but damn, these games were AWESOME.
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On May 01 2011 05:25 Spanishiwa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2011 21:41 VoirDire wrote:On April 30 2011 18:10 Topdoller wrote:On April 30 2011 17:11 Talin wrote:On April 30 2011 12:57 VoirDire wrote:
I'm surprised none of spanishiwas opponents actually counter his build. They must have heard of it by now. The counters are pretty laid out in the BO-threat by players like darkforce. It's not just a "build", he actually has quite a few variant builds, it's the whole mindset or strategy that is currently hard for most people to play against unless they: a) are mechanically superior player by far (which is how scfou iirc beat Spanishiwa in FXO) b) Have played enough games against that style of Zerg to intuitively understand the concept. Then there's the whole matter of dissecting his play and coming up with exact and properly timed strategies instead of going into games with just some vague counter ideas. It's weird that so many people mentioned Kawaii's beastly TvZ when it was always obvious that you can't bring your normal TvZ logic against this particular opponent. Anyway, it'd be interesting to see a ZvZ next. =) Yeah I agree, his style of play is almost "random" in nature so his opponents are off balance and are not sure how to play him unlike players who go standard such as Idra. Its good to see Zerg players trying new strats and pushing the game to new levels. With the late gas, he has no scouting ability, no map control and no way to put on pressure. Yet people try to 2 base timing attack him. Hey man don't hate. It's not like I went no gas every game -_-. I mix it up, depending on what i see.. sometimes I put fake gas, sometimes I do roach timings, or maybe baneling all in idk. Easy to say 'just counter' but scouting is difficult when your opponent is intentionally being tricky.
I'm sorry, I'm actually hating. But I've been following the discussion by darkforce & co in the Ice fisher thread and I'm dying to actually see their "theorycraft" in action. There is a lot of proposed counters. But no real substance, like replays or vods of them working. That's why I felt so frustrated when I heard miniguns comment after his loss:
air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose
expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have
dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should
so that leaves you with
4 gate
4 gate
6 gate
and 4 gate
Which off course the ice fisher is great against. GAh.
It would be very good for the "ratings" (*wink* *wink* "the V"-admins) to match you up with say... darkforce.
I've learned a lot from your build btw, I try to delay my gas and ling speed as much I feel comfortable with in most of my games now. To be able to use both the first injects to drones does wonders for getting drone saturation.
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Spanishwa causing a whole lot of people to eat their words :D
gj man, keep up the good work! Have to say that your run on the V has been very entertaining to watch so far.
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On April 30 2011 12:57 VoirDire wrote:
I'm surprised none of spanishiwas opponents actually counter his build. They must have heard of it by now. The counters are pretty laid out in the BO-threat by players like darkforce.
Maybe Darkforce was wrong...or his counter is hard to pull off. Either way I think that Spanish's build forces cheesy play, and people don't like to cheese at the pro level (not saying it doesn't happen, but unless it's combatEX they aren't going to prefer it.)
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This was certainly entertaining, I recommend watching the VOD's.
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i love watching your creative playstyle spanishiwa! i think its awesome how you use queens/infestors/burrow/nidus to maximize the cost effectiveness of your units. i also love how you methodically slow push terrans with broodlord/corruptor/queen/infestor its a refreshing change from watching the same old muta/ling/bling bum rush the tank line.
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I just wanted to say that I love this showmatch series.
I run the tournament roundup newsposts here on TL and these are by far the easiest showmatches to follow and track results. It's also the most exciting. =P Keep it up.
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On May 01 2011 10:59 VoirDire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 05:25 Spanishiwa wrote:On April 30 2011 21:41 VoirDire wrote:On April 30 2011 18:10 Topdoller wrote:On April 30 2011 17:11 Talin wrote:On April 30 2011 12:57 VoirDire wrote:
I'm surprised none of spanishiwas opponents actually counter his build. They must have heard of it by now. The counters are pretty laid out in the BO-threat by players like darkforce. It's not just a "build", he actually has quite a few variant builds, it's the whole mindset or strategy that is currently hard for most people to play against unless they: a) are mechanically superior player by far (which is how scfou iirc beat Spanishiwa in FXO) b) Have played enough games against that style of Zerg to intuitively understand the concept. Then there's the whole matter of dissecting his play and coming up with exact and properly timed strategies instead of going into games with just some vague counter ideas. It's weird that so many people mentioned Kawaii's beastly TvZ when it was always obvious that you can't bring your normal TvZ logic against this particular opponent. Anyway, it'd be interesting to see a ZvZ next. =) Yeah I agree, his style of play is almost "random" in nature so his opponents are off balance and are not sure how to play him unlike players who go standard such as Idra. Its good to see Zerg players trying new strats and pushing the game to new levels. With the late gas, he has no scouting ability, no map control and no way to put on pressure. Yet people try to 2 base timing attack him. Hey man don't hate. It's not like I went no gas every game -_-. I mix it up, depending on what i see.. sometimes I put fake gas, sometimes I do roach timings, or maybe baneling all in idk. Easy to say 'just counter' but scouting is difficult when your opponent is intentionally being tricky. I'm sorry, I'm actually hating. But I've been following the discussion by darkforce & co in the Ice fisher thread and I'm dying to actually see their "theorycraft" in action. There is a lot of proposed counters. But no real substance, like replays or vods of them working. That's why I felt so frustrated when I heard miniguns comment after his loss: Show nested quote +air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose
expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have
dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should
so that leaves you with
4 gate
4 gate
6 gate
and 4 gate Which off course the ice fisher is great against. GAh. It would be very good for the "ratings" (*wink* *wink* "the V"-admins) to match you up with say... darkforce. I've learned a lot from your build btw, I try to delay my gas and ling speed as much I feel comfortable with in most of my games now. To be able to use both the first injects to drones does wonders for getting drone saturation.
I've also followed it and I think, even though I respect darkforce and aknowledge him as a awesome player, there is some simplified thoughtprocess and bad deduction going on. I mean it's pretty damn obvious that Spanishiwa is actually good at his builds and by no means should that mean that any top player should emulate the exact style just within say like ten games (lol) and conclude that it's "somewhat ok, but this and that is lacking" etc. Ofc there are shortcomings to any build, but that's the point, there are obviously shortcomings to fast lingspeed / fast roach builds aswell. I think that every player needs to just adjust acording to how the feel like playing and what is most comfortable since you will always play your best in your own element.
I know this sounds very vague, but I just feel that the counter arguments in that thread, even coming from top players, are pretty damn poor and based on the asumption that they are themselves executing everything perfectly - I just dont feel that, it's a argument that relies on "trust me on this one". Sadly nothing is unanimous, so it fails right away, atleast in my book.
People should stop doubting that Spanishiwa is a good player. Sure the last three opponents here are not the best players in the world, but they are damn good players and it all have looked very convincinly.
Go Spanishiwa! <3
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On May 01 2011 18:51 Mikilatov wrote:
I just wanted to say that I love this showmatch series.
I run the tournament roundup newsposts here on TL and these are by far the easiest showmatches to follow and track results. It's also the most exciting. =P Keep it up.
No problemo Mikilatov, I try to keep everything running smoothly if I can, hehe.
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If Spanishwa ups his mechanics, and gain a little bit more of experience, he will be a very good zerg in no time.
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Spanishiwa vs. IdrA next, IMO.
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Not only was this series great, it also hooked me up with some great prizes. Watching the V every week from now on >>
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On May 02 2011 01:17 Jotoco wrote:
If Spanishwa ups his mechanics, and gain a little bit more of experience, he will be a very good zerg in no time.
I've been watching his stream for some time now, and let me tell you his mechanics are already in the stratosphere. I doubt he can improve on them more. I agree though, he needs to get more games under his belt because he has a tendency to get rattled / excited IMO.
Good games, KR and Spanish! And mad props to Josh for putting up this series!
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Spanishiwa is amazing vsT and vsP, if he works on his vsZ match up he will be unstoppable .
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kawaii is in fnatic.. pretty good
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EPT
