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IF YOU KNOW THE RESULTS, PLEASE KEEP THEM TO YOURSELF![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/Hxpfr.png) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/MKVYj.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/JRTfV.jpg) + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/7V46e.jpg) + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win?Liquid`TLO (53) 64% HongUnPrime.WE (30) 36% 83 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): HongUnPrime.WE
(Vote): Liquid`TLO
Poll: Who will win?IM.NesTea (54) 79% WE.2012.Lovecd (14) 21% 68 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): IM.NesTea
(Vote): WE.2012.Lovecd
Poll: Who will win?mTw.Dimaga (50) 69% Fox.Lyn (22) 31% 72 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Fox.Lyn
(Vote): mTw.Dimaga
Poll: Who will win?oGs.NaDa (39) 76% MYM.Sase (12) 24% 51 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): MYM.Sase
(Vote): oGs.NaDa
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Looking forward to this =D
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On April 24 2011 02:32 Vorlik wrote:
Looking forward to this =D
I've been on the edge of my seat all week for this 
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On April 24 2011 02:37 SolHeiM wrote:
EDT = EST?
Yes-ish. It's 6PM Eastern. Right now we are in daylight savings time thus the "D".
Here: Saturday, Apr 23 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). <--- That SHOULD auto format to your time zone.
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This will be awesome, great players, great production (I assume) and a great team behind the stream!
Only problem I have with it is like the smallest thing ever, the posters are pretty badly photoshopped  You can for instance see white edges on Grubbys photo and NaDas portrait is a much lower resolution. Really minor thing.
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Has the Boxer/ToD been shifted to another day?
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On April 24 2011 02:40 Slakter wrote:This will be awesome, great players, great production (I assume) and a great team behind the stream! Only problem I have with it is like the smallest thing ever, the posters are pretty badly photoshopped You can for instance see white edges on Grubbys photo and NaDas portrait is a much lower resolution. Really minor thing.
That's Sase, and we unfortunately had the change the promo poster on a VERY short notice. We will keep on trying to improve however, as this is the start of a whole new chapter for iCCup TV and our production values, it might be a little bumpy but I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised!
Please let us know any and all feedback about it, we love to hear feedback!
On April 24 2011 02:43 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Has the Boxer/ToD been shifted to another day?
Yes next weekend, Boxer had to reschedule. Not sure the day yet, but one of the two broadcasts next weekend will have 5 matches!
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Who is casting? I assume it will be Raelcun and someone else.
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On April 24 2011 02:44 Truefire wrote:
Who is casting? I assume it will be Raelcun and someone else.
Today will be Orb and Basement Cat. Raelcun will be on most of the casts after this weekend, he had family over for the holidays however and could not cast this weekend.
Also going to be bringing in lots of community casters throughout the event. Gunrun and Elenie sun are already signed up, and I'm tyring to get JP, Wheat, and Day9 to join in too.
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On April 24 2011 02:45 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 02:44 Truefire wrote:
Who is casting? I assume it will be Raelcun and someone else. Today will be Orb and Basement Cat. Raelcun will be on most of the casts after this weekend, he had family over for the holidays however and could not cast this weekend. Also going to be bringing in lots of community casters throughout the event. Gunrun and Elenie sun are already signed up, and I'm tyring to get JP, Wheat, and Day9 to join in too.
You should also consider Catspajamas if you can, he has an amazing voice for casting.
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On April 24 2011 02:40 Slakter wrote:This will be awesome, great players, great production (I assume) and a great team behind the stream! Only problem I have with it is like the smallest thing ever, the posters are pretty badly photoshopped You can for instance see white edges on Grubbys photo and NaDas portrait is a much lower resolution. Really minor thing.
Lol?
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On April 24 2011 02:48 Truefire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 02:45 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On April 24 2011 02:44 Truefire wrote:
Who is casting? I assume it will be Raelcun and someone else. Today will be Orb and Basement Cat. Raelcun will be on most of the casts after this weekend, he had family over for the holidays however and could not cast this weekend. Also going to be bringing in lots of community casters throughout the event. Gunrun and Elenie sun are already signed up, and I'm tyring to get JP, Wheat, and Day9 to join in too. You should also consider Catspajamas if you can, he has an amazing voice for casting.
I'll see what we can do, but I don't see a reason we can't bring him in one day!
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Looks fun. Will there be vods?
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omg what a day. started with the TSL and now this! \o/
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amazing day for starcraft 2 nerds like me! tsl, copenhagen and now this!
thank you guys hahaha
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This tournament definitely deserves some more hype with all these big names. Gogo Dimaga!
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So much starcraft to watch......... i should get paid rofl :D
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This is such an absurd day of Starcraft lol
Gone from GSL to Copenhagen games to TSL to Copenhagen games finasl to StarsWar, and then later there's the FXOpen IS3, the IPL, and the NASL.
Wonder at which point I'll crash
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Brood War music is SO GOOD holy crap
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sooo much sc2 to watch wowowo, go dima~~
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i shouldn't be here...sigh.
starcraft why are you doing this to me.
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This is a great day for me. SC2, LoL and NBA playoffs. Mind blown.
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oh GOD TOO MUCH SC2 
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I actually wish they added in SC2 the option to chose BW music, SC2 music or both. It shouldn't take them much work to do that and it will keep the fans happy. We should just do the petition =(
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Can he stop pointing out his mistakes and lack of preparation and just cast
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Is there going to be some VODs ? I'm watching SC2 since 8:00 and it's now 00:30 but being the ultimate Nestea fan, I can't miss a match.
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On April 24 2011 07:31 Growiel wrote:
Is there going to be some VODs ? I'm watching SC2 since 8:00 and it's now 00:30 but being the ultimate Nestea fan, I can't miss a match.
Of course
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On April 24 2011 07:06 Asha` wrote:
This is such an absurd day of Starcraft lol
Gone from GSL to Copenhagen games to TSL to Copenhagen games finasl to StarsWar, and then later there's the FXOpen IS3, the IPL, and the NASL.
Wonder at which point I'll crash
I started yesterday with NASL and IPL, then passed out just as GSL was about to start.
Went on today with TSL and Kopenhagen, now StarsWar and then it's NASL and IPL again.
It's getting a bit much really, but today alone has been well worth it so far
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Yeah, tournament casts a little too stacked on the weekends. I could use some NASL or IPL on Monday and Tuesday instead of having two days of nothing and then packed weekends.
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On April 24 2011 07:33 Azarkon wrote:
Yeah, tournament casts a little too stacked on the weekends. I could use some NASL or IPL on Monday and Tuesday instead of having two days of nothing and then packed weekends.
Yes i agree. I was bummed when nasl changed their broadcast day away from monday and tuesday.
This weekend has been too much i'll probably have to miss nasl today.
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On April 24 2011 07:34 Zzoram wrote:
has this started yet?
Yes, the stream is on the ON AIR bar...
Lyn vs Dimaga first
Gane 1 on Xel Naga
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On April 24 2011 07:35 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:33 Azarkon wrote:
Yeah, tournament casts a little too stacked on the weekends. I could use some NASL or IPL on Monday and Tuesday instead of having two days of nothing and then packed weekends. Yes i agree. I was bummed when nasl changed their broadcast day away from monday and tuesday. This weekend has been too much i'll probably have to miss nasl today.
If it makes a difference we booked all this when NASL was on their old schedule....
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After looking at the brackets for the first time i got sad when i saw Jinro and MC will face in RO16 if both advance
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damn dimaga analyzed these replays already on his stream
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Fungal growth pretty good ya. Dimaga so so handsome
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Which server do they play on ? And do they change servers for matches ?
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Why is only 3000 people watching?... This tourney has players like MVP..
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On April 24 2011 07:46 Mailing wrote:
Why is only 3000 people watching?... This tourney has players like MVP..
It actually is one of the most stacked tournaments in a while. Not enough hype!
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On April 24 2011 07:46 Mailing wrote:
Why is only 3000 people watching?... This tourney has players like MVP..
I think there is just too much SC2 for the average fan to follow now.
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Ultras seem like a weird choice, I kept wondering "where's the broodlords?" But it worked. Interesting to watch that style.
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So surprised ultras can win games, never works for me >.>
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Lyn really wasnt keeping up with upgrades and as such couldnt do much against 5 armor ultras with only +1 bio.
Nice style by Dimaga
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On April 24 2011 07:46 Mailing wrote:
Why is only 3000 people watching?... This tourney has players like MVP..
there has been so much sc2 today first copenhagen game streamed all day then we had tSL and now this tournament and then NASL and IGN l8r so yea the fans have to pick now what to watch so thats a good thing for us the fans:D
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lol, that game ended with basically the first fungal xD
Infestors are so scary, Dimaga playing like a beast
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We need to spread info~!
I guess people might be burned out after TSL though
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And also this tournament could have used more hype PR i just heard baout it whne the stream went online!
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I dont understand why Lyn attacked before he even got his gold expansion decently saturated, he should've turtled for a while before doing anything ,geez.
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Just tuned in - is Dimaga vs. Lyn the first match?
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On April 24 2011 07:50 126Q;A1 wrote:
Just tuned in - is Dimaga vs. Lyn the first match?
It is indeed!
Dimaga up 1-0 after fast infestor play saw him catch Lyn's +1 timing push almost entirely with a single fungal lol. Played out to endgame with Dimaga going ling infestor Ultra, but he had a pretty much unassailable lead after the early game.
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Too bad the stream isn't higher quality
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On April 24 2011 07:52 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:50 126Q;A1 wrote:
Just tuned in - is Dimaga vs. Lyn the first match? It is indeed! Dimaga up 1-0 after fast infestor play saw him catch Lyn's +1 timing push almost entirely with a single fungal lol. Played out to endgame with Dimaga going ling infestor Ultra, but he had a pretty much unassailable lead after the early game.
Ok, thanks =)
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orb and prodig are casting right? just tuned in.
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4 broodlords with queens just destroyed an entire army of tank/thor contain lol
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Dimaga throwing this away!
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Dimaga's got it just wanted to give us a heart attack first.
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30 corruptors and 15 broods?
HSM would be nice here
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14 broodlords 17 corrupters. GL with that terran
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... did Dimaga just pass out for a minute there? So bizarre, he just sits there on 100 food for like 30 seconds when he has all the supply, resources, tech and larvae to remax in an instant. Still has this, but that was really weird.
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14 broodlords and 17 corrupters, such a boss
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I don't think I've ever seen so many broodlords in a high level ZvT.
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never seem that many broodlings and broodlords in a game
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dimaga making lyn just look silly in that series
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On April 24 2011 08:10 Mailing wrote:
30 corruptors and 15 broods?
HSM would be nice here
And/Or PDD would work.
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Man, Orb sounds exactly like Edward Norton... (Jack in Fight Club for instance)
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Jaysis that was a terrifying army at the end lol
14 Broods and 17 Corrupters, virtually untouchable lol. Particularly for a mech army.
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That was many broodlords. Most I've ever seen in a pro TvZ.
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man the 4 broodlords and queen with transsfusion just killed lyn hole army hehe
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On April 24 2011 08:12 Count9 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:10 Mailing wrote:
30 corruptors and 15 broods?
HSM would be nice here And/Or PDD would work.
Yeah. But when corruptors attack, they clump up like mad. 3-4 HSM and the entire ball is gone.
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On April 24 2011 08:12 Slakter wrote:
Man, Orb sounds exactly like Edward Norton... (Jack in Fight Club for instance)
He was a nameless protagonist!
Sick play from Dimaga. I woulda just made 40 Mutalisks lol
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SO. MANY. BROODLORDS!
So scary. You'd need mass, mass vikings/thors to even attempt to deal with that.
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Sky's brother next, interesting. Sky one of the very top (probably #3 on the all time list next to Moon and Grubby) WC3 pros for those that didn't follow that.
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On April 24 2011 08:14 AntiSanityMan wrote:
SO. MANY. BROODLORDS!
So scary. You'd need mass, mass vikings/thors to even attempt to deal with that.
naah, +3 marines and a PDD and most of them are dead. too bad lyn went mech
to clarify: PDD prevent the broodlings from spawning so the marines can stim under the broodlords and kill one after another very fast, dimaga had no banelings or infestors around
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It was touch and go for a moment though; I think seeing that greater spire prompted the big death push.
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On April 24 2011 08:16 DBS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:14 AntiSanityMan wrote:
SO. MANY. BROODLORDS!
So scary. You'd need mass, mass vikings/thors to even attempt to deal with that. naah, +3 marines and a PDD and most of them are dead. too bad lyn went mech to clarify: PDD prevent the broodlings from spawning so the marines can stim under the broodlords and kill one after another very fast, dimaga had no banelings or infestors around
oh just dont overdo it with edits, he had 20 corruptors
pdd would last half a second
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no one expects that many broodlords and corrupters
a lot of hindsight bias, but lyn did what he could but dimaga got too comfortable with his economy and lyn couldn't push fast enough with mech
with mech style you really gotta end the game before late game and hive tech
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On April 24 2011 08:16 DBS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:14 AntiSanityMan wrote:
SO. MANY. BROODLORDS!
So scary. You'd need mass, mass vikings/thors to even attempt to deal with that. naah, +3 marines and a PDD and most of them are dead. too bad lyn went mech
You need 4 PDDs to block Broodlings from 10 Broodlords for a whole 20 Ingame Seconds.
That was 14 Broodlords and 17 corrupters, You'd have needed a huge amount of PDD's to hold that for any significant amount of time.
The point is moot anyway since that was an unworkable transition for a mech army anyway.
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On April 24 2011 08:16 DBS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:14 AntiSanityMan wrote:
SO. MANY. BROODLORDS!
So scary. You'd need mass, mass vikings/thors to even attempt to deal with that. naah, +3 marines and a PDD and most of them are dead. too bad lyn went mech to clarify: PDD prevent the broodlings from spawning so the marines can stim under the broodlords and kill one after another very fast, dimaga had no banelings or infestors around
i dont think PDD would help since there are so many corrupters.
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when i think about it, why he kept so long to remax, he was thinking and lookin for anti air, if he remaxed on other things he would get into crossfire from 20 tanks, that was unusual but good move
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Im very impressed by the lineupthis tournament. It completely blindsided me as well.
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Odd opening play by Lovecd so far, not sure I like it.
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On April 24 2011 08:15 ZapRoffo wrote:
Sky's brother next, interesting. Sky one of the very top (probably #3 on the all time list next to Moon and Grubby) WC3 pros for those that didn't follow that.
ToD better , fanboyism all the way^^
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Kind of shocking to see this forum predominately European. You guys must watch Starcraft all night long!
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Oh, so unlucky he ran into the transfer of the probes. :/
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On April 24 2011 08:25 ZeraToss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:15 ZapRoffo wrote:
Sky's brother next, interesting. Sky one of the very top (probably #3 on the all time list next to Moon and Grubby) WC3 pros for those that didn't follow that. ToD better , fanboyism all the way^^
Hard to say, Sky won more big events, and owned ToD in human mirrors almost every time. ToD was better vs. Night Elf though, and they both dominated Orcs in their prime.
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can someone update on results so far? (from the stream)
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Attacked waaaaaaay to early =/
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Looks like some fail micro from Lovecd - bunch of his units were attacking the hatch rather than units.
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feel like lovecd had a big lead but just threw it all away
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thats why you get sentries
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the results are spoiled again? t.t
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On April 24 2011 08:28 Fenrisulf wrote:
can someone update on results so far? (from the stream)
+ Show Spoiler +Dimaga 2-0 Lyn is the only finished result.
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GSL Spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +Check tries to muta ling versus toss on Xel'Naga and fails. Nestea tries it and makes it worse, although Nestea's opponent is an unknown Chinese player
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Games over, you can't stop mutalisks without storm
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Mutaling masterclass in ZvP from Nestea there. After the 6 (7?) gate failed it was over really though.
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Lovecd, completely outclassed by Nestea
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I actually can't believe he didn't get a single sentry
guardian shield does so much against mutas
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It was pretty weird he did a forge FE without sentries too.
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give lovecd a break he is facing a sc2 star!
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Interesting build from lovecd, if he'd been able to take out the hatch with that push it would have set up a much different game. After losing that force though, nestea was just going to steamroll him.
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On April 24 2011 08:28 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:25 ZeraToss wrote:On April 24 2011 08:15 ZapRoffo wrote:
Sky's brother next, interesting. Sky one of the very top (probably #3 on the all time list next to Moon and Grubby) WC3 pros for those that didn't follow that. ToD better , fanboyism all the way^^ Hard to say, Sky won more big events, and owned ToD in human mirrors almost every time. ToD was better vs. Night Elf though, and they both dominated Orcs in their prime.
Sky never became really good vs. NE during the course of his career, but I don't think that detracts from his play. When he first emerged in the scene he was kind of a legend killer, defeating all the top players at the time with his new Human strats. But he faded away more quickly than Moon and Grubby.
To be fair, the best Humans in recent years have been people who could be considered his proteges - Infi and Th000, both of whom are much better vs. NE (esp. Infi).
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casters are more than fine, they actually know what they say
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too much gambles from nestea....
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This doesn't really have as many viewers as I expected it should have. Maybe everyone is already exhausted from that amazing series in the TSL or something.
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He didn't really have a choice. Close spawns the nexus cancel 4/5 gate is basically impossible to hold off especially without an ovie in position to scout. He was blind countering that and unfortunately the toss didn't do it.
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lol close spawns is such a joke
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On April 24 2011 08:50 Entropic wrote:
lol close spawns is such a joke
jokie*
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Wow, nice debut, taking a game off NesTea. 0_o!!!!!!!
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On April 24 2011 08:50 Entropic wrote:
lol close spawns is such a joke
Part of the game. Players should learn to deal with it.
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That game is about as relevant as him losing to Rain.
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Casters sound completely retarded talking about this game lol
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this reminds me when every Zerg complained about close spawn position and people just told them to figure out how to play properly if positions were close spawn
seems pretty similar to how Zergs complain about late game toss and people just tell them to figure out how to beat it
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Who invited Edward Norton to cast? Very good choice.
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On April 24 2011 08:51 RajaF wrote:Part of the game. Players should learn to deal with it.
yea players should suffer huge disadvantages because of their race, wait what?
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Close spawns really are rather terrible. Did like that double forcefield wall from loveCD when NesTea tried the flank though. Meta next, here's to an exciting macro game =)
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On April 24 2011 08:52 Dexington wrote:
Who invited Edward Norton to cast? Very good choice.
yea lol he does sound abit like Edaward Norton haha
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On April 24 2011 08:51 RajaF wrote:Part of the game. Players should learn to deal with it.
Certainly everyone agrees, what with big tournaments removing close-spawns and all.
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Nestea's aggression was screwed once the two gateways went up at the Protoss's natural. It allowed him to funnel his units too well.
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On April 24 2011 08:53 Asha` wrote:
Close spawns really are rather terrible. Did like that double forcefield wall from loveCD when NesTea tried the flank though. Meta next, here's to an exciting macro game =)
It could be close position again, 5/6 WG pushes are so hard to defend..
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On April 24 2011 08:51 RajaF wrote:Part of the game. Players should learn to deal with it.
the point is it shouldn't be part of the game when it favors one race so heavily over the other
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On April 24 2011 08:51 RajaF wrote:Part of the game. Players should learn to deal with it.
Learn to deal with imbalance? No, they simply should remove that part of the game. Kinda like what most tournies have done.
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Kinda seems like lovecd got his builds reversed, forge-expand with the huge natural on xel naga, 3gate expand on shattered. Worked out for him, as he really was quite close to taking a 2-0 win. Time to see what game 3 brings.
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On April 24 2011 08:39 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:28 ZapRoffo wrote:On April 24 2011 08:25 ZeraToss wrote:On April 24 2011 08:15 ZapRoffo wrote:
Sky's brother next, interesting. Sky one of the very top (probably #3 on the all time list next to Moon and Grubby) WC3 pros for those that didn't follow that. ToD better , fanboyism all the way^^ Hard to say, Sky won more big events, and owned ToD in human mirrors almost every time. ToD was better vs. Night Elf though, and they both dominated Orcs in their prime. Sky never became really good vs. NE during the course of his career, but I don't think that detracts from his play. When he first emerged in the scene he was kind of a legend killer, defeating all the top players at the time with his new Human strats. But he faded away more quickly than Moon and Grubby. To be fair, the best Humans in recent years have been people who could be considered his proteges - Infi and Th000, both of whom are much better vs. NE (esp. Infi).
Without a doubt Sky is #3 on the all time list being the pillar of chinese esports for many years, that's not even questionable.
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What are the results so far?
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On April 24 2011 08:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:51 RajaF wrote:On April 24 2011 08:50 Entropic wrote:
lol close spawns is such a joke Part of the game. Players should learn to deal with it. the point is it shouldn't be part of the game when it favors one race so heavily over the other
I don't get all this moaning. Shit I play zerg. Every time I get close positions I cringe. 70% of the time I lose. Yet I suck it up and move on. TL whines.
I'm sure that Nestea knew that there will be close position possible so he could of not accepted the invite to play or tried to convince the organizers of the tournament to change it. Otherwise, if the player agrees to play on these maps, I do not understand all the moaning about it.
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On April 24 2011 08:58 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 24 2011 08:51 RajaF wrote:On April 24 2011 08:50 Entropic wrote:
lol close spawns is such a joke Part of the game. Players should learn to deal with it. the point is it shouldn't be part of the game when it favors one race so heavily over the other I don't get all this moaning. Shit I play zerg. Every time I get close positions I cringe. 70% of the time I lose. Yet I suck it up and move on. TL whines. I'm sure that Nestea knew that there will be close position possible so he could of not accepted the invite to play or tried to convince the organizers of the tournament to change it. Otherwise, if the player agrees to play on these maps, I do not understand all the moaning about it.
you don't make a living of sc, unlike he does
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agree on these maps? you make it sound like they have a choice
they either have to play or not play, and saying they shouldn't play if it's unfavorable is a stupid argument
the game should be as balanced as possible, what is your point exactly?
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Forge expand on another wide open natural? so weird
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Ah crap, close positions again.
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Glad to see Nestea taking a really early third this time vs forge FE.
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On April 24 2011 08:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:
agree on these maps? you make it sound like they have a choice
they either have to play or not play, and saying they shouldn't play if it's unfavorable is a stupid argument
the game should be as balanced as possible, what is your point exactly?
You make it sound like they don't have a choice. Do you think that if Nestea (one of the biggest stars of the game) declines the invitation because of the map pool, the organizers of the event will be happy? I think not.
I think the whole point for them is to have these big names play in the tournament and will try to cater to their requests.
You make it sound like Nestea will get fired by Gygabyte if he does not play on crappy maps.
And my point is that everyone knew the map pool, yet there is still whining about it.
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Anyone has a rundown on the results thus far?
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Nestea getting +1 melee and a bunch of lings. Looking to switch to ling/muta?
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On April 24 2011 09:05 Primadog wrote:
Anyone has a rundown on the results thus far?
Dimaga 2-0 Lyn
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On April 24 2011 09:03 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:
agree on these maps? you make it sound like they have a choice
they either have to play or not play, and saying they shouldn't play if it's unfavorable is a stupid argument
the game should be as balanced as possible, what is your point exactly? You make it sound like they don't have a choice. Do you think that if Nestea (one of the biggest stars of the game) declines the invitation because of the map pool, the organizers of the event will be happy? I think not. I think the whole point for them is to have these big names play in the tournament and will try to cater to their requests. You make it sound like Nestea will get fired by Gygabyte if he does not play on crappy maps. And my point is that everyone knew the map pool, yet there is still whining about it.
not from Nestea, from the observers. I don't care if Nestea gladly agreed to have the games decided by rock-paper-scissors instead, it would still make for worse entertainment and I'd bitch about it.
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All Lovecd does is mass stalkers.... =.=
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Nestea losing badly to mass stalkers.
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Another zerg dies to the blunk
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Sighhhh, Nestea losing to who I feel is a far inferior player.
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man watching one of the best zegs in the world losing to a relatively unknown protoss player makes me sad........
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It surprises me how so many Protoss players consider stalkers to be a bad unit.
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wow cant believe nestea just lost to someone i never heard of.
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On April 24 2011 09:08 bluestuff wrote:
man watching one of the best zegs in the world losing to a relatively unknown protoss player makes me sad........
No problem. Put your hopes in the HopeDealer.
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did sky's brother ever play warcraft 3?
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stalkers r good huh...stop complaining tosses
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On April 24 2011 09:08 bluestuff wrote:
man watching one of the best zegs in the world losing to a relatively unknown protoss player makes me sad........
Nastea was gready took a quick 3rd base. thats why he lost and lovecd had nice blink macro so stop with the balance crap. If nestea had played safe this woulnt had happend
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That was a bad read by Nestea, transitioning into ling/muta against mass blink stalker :[ Wish he had stuck with roach/ling or roach/hydra.
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On April 24 2011 09:08 bluestuff wrote:
man watching one of the best zegs in the world losing to a relatively unknown protoss player makes me sad........
Yes, but its fucking WE.SKY's little brother. He has gosu in his genes!
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NesTea got blunk.
Fairly interesting play by LoveCD, didn't really look on NesTea's level in general terms, but that pretty fast +1 zealot warp in with stalker reinforcement to snipe out the third was nice and set him up well to take the win :O
TLO vs HongUn next
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LOL I guess HongUn lacks accomplishments. First player in GSL history to make a carrier. ROFL!!!
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TLO isnt the infested terran.. thats morrow -_-
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On April 24 2011 09:08 Dragar wrote:
It surprises me how so many Protoss players consider stalkers to be a bad unit.
SCV's have a better DPS/Cost ratio than stalkers.
Stalkers ARE bad.
Blink stalkers are a different story.
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I think that Nestea was not prepared for this guy and his one trick pony. Maybe even underestimated him a bit, and got greedy in the last game.
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On April 24 2011 09:08 Dragar wrote:
It surprises me how so many Protoss players consider stalkers to be a bad unit.
Stalkers without blink are meh
Stalkers with blink are really good
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woot! Starcraft Brood War music!
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On April 24 2011 09:09 Tachion wrote:
That was a bad read by Nestea. Transitioning into ling/muta against mass blink stalker :[ Wish he had stuck with roach/ling or roach/hydra.
greedy how? it's the response to a forge FE... 2 base toss vs 2 base zerg = dead zerg unless he all ins... his third just got picked off by the proxy pylon pressure from lonecd which was a good response to the 3rd from nestea... so uh yeah.... dunno what you're smoking...
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On April 24 2011 09:09 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:08 bluestuff wrote:
man watching one of the best zegs in the world losing to a relatively unknown protoss player makes me sad........ Yes, but its fucking WE.SKY's little brother. He has gosu in his genes!
:O sky coming to sc2?!?!?!?
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This game is so horrible for zergs right now. And seriously what tourney actually still has close spawns? MLG/TSL/IPL/GSL/NASL all have them removed.
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Nice tactical play by lovecd. He didn't seem to be exceptionally crisp on the stalker micro, but it was good enough to close things out. Sniping the 3rd was a huge deal, nestea just didn't have map awareness at that time (no lings on the towers let the probe sneak by).
Can't hate on lovecd, whatever it takes to knock off one of the best players in the world.
Edit: i can spell gud.
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Uh, it was pretty obvious why Nestea lost. Did you even see his third getting sniped? He lost EVERY DRONE THERE (about 10) and the hatch because he got caught with his pants down with about 8 zerglings against 2-3 rounds of +1 zealot and stalker warp-ins.
Nestea didn't scout the proxy pylon and over-droned. That's why he lost.
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On April 24 2011 09:11 emesen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:09 Tachion wrote:
That was a bad read by Nestea. Transitioning into ling/muta against mass blink stalker :[ Wish he had stuck with roach/ling or roach/hydra. greedy how? it's the response to a forge FE... 2 base toss vs 2 base zerg = dead zerg unless he all ins... his third just got picked off by the proxy pylon pressure from lonecd which was a good response to the 3rd from nestea... so uh yeah.... dunno what you're smoking...
....what? I think you quoted the wrong person >_>
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On April 24 2011 09:09 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:08 bluestuff wrote:
man watching one of the best zegs in the world losing to a relatively unknown protoss player makes me sad........ Nastea was gready took a quick 3rd base. thats why he lost and lovecd had nice blink macro so stop with the balance crap. If nestea had played safe this woulnt had happend
Funny you say that, when the protoss can forge fast expand and therefore is expected not be punished at all right, but a zerg player trying to capitalize on this "defensive' protoss build is being "greedy".
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On April 24 2011 09:12 JJH777 wrote:
This game is so horrible for zergs right now. And seriously what tourney actually still has close spawns? MLG/TSL/IPL/GSL/NASL all have them removed.
Not NASL yet I'm pretty sure (unless it was the past day or so).
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On April 24 2011 09:11 emesen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:09 Tachion wrote:
That was a bad read by Nestea. Transitioning into ling/muta against mass blink stalker :[ Wish he had stuck with roach/ling or roach/hydra. greedy how? it's the response to a forge FE... 2 base toss vs 2 base zerg = dead zerg unless he all ins... his third just got picked off by the proxy pylon pressure from lonecd which was a good response to the 3rd from nestea... so uh yeah.... dunno what you're smoking...
Well I say greedy because the toss was not going for colossus or anything high tech. He could of fought off the stalker aggression off two base.
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Nestea would have won the second game very easily if he committed to the all-in. I'm not sure what stopped him. Last game, his lair tech was unreasonably slow and his mid-game scouting was poor. He was up 30 supply after losing his third but decided against poking at least?
His recent interview said he was withholding some strategies. I really don't feel like I saw the best games from him.
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On April 24 2011 09:11 emesen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:09 Tachion wrote:
That was a bad read by Nestea. Transitioning into ling/muta against mass blink stalker :[ Wish he had stuck with roach/ling or roach/hydra. greedy how? it's the response to a forge FE... 2 base toss vs 2 base zerg = dead zerg unless he all ins... his third just got picked off by the proxy pylon pressure from lonecd which was a good response to the 3rd from nestea... so uh yeah.... dunno what you're smoking...
lol wut? He didn't mention Nestea being greedy anywhere. And he's right.. Blink stalkers > Muta.. Pretty sure you're the one smoking here.
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On April 24 2011 09:15 Klamity wrote:
Nestea would have won the second game very easily if he committed to the all-in. I'm not sure what stopped him. Last game, his lair tech was unreasonably slow and his mid-game scouting was poor. He was up 30 supply after losing his third but decided against poking at least?
His recent interview said he was withholding some strategies. I really don't feel like I saw the best games from him.
That wasn't a strategic loss though. It was just him playing sloppy. Don't think Nestea thought he could lose against some random scrub from China. Well, that proved to be his undoing. At least he'll have more time to focus on GSL.
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On April 24 2011 09:16 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:15 Klamity wrote:
Nestea would have won the second game very easily if he committed to the all-in. I'm not sure what stopped him. Last game, his lair tech was unreasonably slow and his mid-game scouting was poor. He was up 30 supply after losing his third but decided against poking at least?
His recent interview said he was withholding some strategies. I really don't feel like I saw the best games from him. That wasn't a strategic loss though. It was just him playing sloppy. Don't think Nestea thought he could lose against some random scrub from China. Well, that proved to be his undoing. At least he'll have more time to focus on GSL.
You don't get to play for WE and just be a random scrub.
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On April 24 2011 09:13 bluestuff wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:09 Nerdslayer wrote:On April 24 2011 09:08 bluestuff wrote:
man watching one of the best zegs in the world losing to a relatively unknown protoss player makes me sad........ Nastea was gready took a quick 3rd base. thats why he lost and lovecd had nice blink macro so stop with the balance crap. If nestea had played safe this woulnt had happend Funny you say that, when the protoss can forge fast expand and therefore is expected not be punished at all right, but a zerg player trying to capitalize on this "defensive' protoss build is being "greedy".
Wrong but most zergs are greedy and onedimensional look at game 3 today copenhagen game morrow vs MC. MC did the usual build 3 gate into forge expand. standard. Morrow decide to go for fast baneling drops on his main and it worked perfectly. why? becuase it was unexpected.
Like i sayd so many times as soon zergs learn to play creative and stop being so goddam greedy and onedimensional they will have trouble..
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On April 24 2011 09:14 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:11 emesen wrote:On April 24 2011 09:09 Tachion wrote:
That was a bad read by Nestea. Transitioning into ling/muta against mass blink stalker :[ Wish he had stuck with roach/ling or roach/hydra. greedy how? it's the response to a forge FE... 2 base toss vs 2 base zerg = dead zerg unless he all ins... his third just got picked off by the proxy pylon pressure from lonecd which was a good response to the 3rd from nestea... so uh yeah.... dunno what you're smoking... Well I say greedy because the toss was not going for colossus or anything high tech. He could of fought off the stalker aggression off two base.
.... you can't be serious....
if the protoss saw that he was on 2 base he would never have attacked with just blink stalkers and just ended up teching and macroing until he would end up way too far ahead for nestea to come back
that was not a greedy build when it's a very standard reaction to a forge FE
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On April 24 2011 09:16 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:15 Klamity wrote:
Nestea would have won the second game very easily if he committed to the all-in. I'm not sure what stopped him. Last game, his lair tech was unreasonably slow and his mid-game scouting was poor. He was up 30 supply after losing his third but decided against poking at least?
His recent interview said he was withholding some strategies. I really don't feel like I saw the best games from him. That wasn't a strategic loss though. It was just him playing sloppy. Don't think Nestea thought he could lose against some random scrub from China. Well, that proved to be his undoing. At least he'll have more time to focus on GSL.
I don't think he lost on purpose. I just don't think he cared enough to prepare for these games or to reveal his best/standard builds.
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On April 24 2011 09:20 Klamity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:16 Azarkon wrote:On April 24 2011 09:15 Klamity wrote:
Nestea would have won the second game very easily if he committed to the all-in. I'm not sure what stopped him. Last game, his lair tech was unreasonably slow and his mid-game scouting was poor. He was up 30 supply after losing his third but decided against poking at least?
His recent interview said he was withholding some strategies. I really don't feel like I saw the best games from him. That wasn't a strategic loss though. It was just him playing sloppy. Don't think Nestea thought he could lose against some random scrub from China. Well, that proved to be his undoing. At least he'll have more time to focus on GSL. I don't think he lost on purpose. I just don't think he cared enough to prepare for these games or to reveal his best/standard builds.
I don't mean he lost on purpose. I mean that he played sloppy. His builds were fairly standard and could've worked. He just didn't execute them as well as he should have. For example, not scouting for proxies, over-droning, etc.
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<3 orb! he's a really solid caster
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Edward Norton knows when TLO needs medivacs
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On April 24 2011 09:22 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:20 Klamity wrote:On April 24 2011 09:16 Azarkon wrote:On April 24 2011 09:15 Klamity wrote:
Nestea would have won the second game very easily if he committed to the all-in. I'm not sure what stopped him. Last game, his lair tech was unreasonably slow and his mid-game scouting was poor. He was up 30 supply after losing his third but decided against poking at least?
His recent interview said he was withholding some strategies. I really don't feel like I saw the best games from him. That wasn't a strategic loss though. It was just him playing sloppy. Don't think Nestea thought he could lose against some random scrub from China. Well, that proved to be his undoing. At least he'll have more time to focus on GSL. I don't think he lost on purpose. I just don't think he cared enough to prepare for these games or to reveal his best/standard builds. I don't mean he lost on purpose. I mean that he played sloppy. His builds were fairly standard and could've worked. He just didn't execute them as well as he should have. For example, not scouting for proxies, over-droning, etc.
exatcly, he was so passive, almost like he didnt care , prolly focusing on gsl
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On April 24 2011 09:11 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:08 Dragar wrote:
It surprises me how so many Protoss players consider stalkers to be a bad unit. Stalkers without blink are meh Stalkers with blink are really good
Yup!
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It's funny listening to SC2-games being casted in Edward Nortons voice.
I can't get over the similarity.
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Hopefully TLO can pull out a win and go to a third game.
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I am Jacks' Starcraft 2 commentary.
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4 gate from hongun, TLO with a destiny cloud fist build
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On April 24 2011 09:19 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:13 bluestuff wrote:On April 24 2011 09:09 Nerdslayer wrote:On April 24 2011 09:08 bluestuff wrote:
man watching one of the best zegs in the world losing to a relatively unknown protoss player makes me sad........ Nastea was gready took a quick 3rd base. thats why he lost and lovecd had nice blink macro so stop with the balance crap. If nestea had played safe this woulnt had happend Funny you say that, when the protoss can forge fast expand and therefore is expected not be punished at all right, but a zerg player trying to capitalize on this "defensive' protoss build is being "greedy". Wrong but most zergs are greedy and onedimensional look at game 3 today copenhagen game morrow vs MC. MC did the usual build 3 gate into forge expand. standard. Morrow decide to go for fast baneling drops on his main and it worked perfectly. why? becuase it was unexpected. Like i sayd so many times as soon zergs learn to play creative and stop being so goddam greedy and onedimensional they will have trouble..
+ Show Spoiler +that worked pretty well, considering he lost the series 3-1 right?
This argument that zerg are lazy/greedy/uncreative is absolute bullshit.. Its completely unreasonable to expect zerg to consistently win pvz games with cutesy play, that many times are equivalent to a coin flip for either player. Using nydus/drops would be fine in the matchup if the zerg didn't depend on every single unit in there main army inorder to beat off any agression. As we saw many times in this series and countless others, battles by the zerg were won or lost just barely by the flow of reinforcing units from the base. Investing in drops or nydus, particularly in the mid game,which is what u are implying, are not viable without causing significant damage.. This is amplfied with the fact that a map like xel naga where defending drops is fairly easy with blink stalkers or the like.
I am not saying nestea played perfectly,he obviously made critical mistakes in game 2 and 3, However it is pretty evident that mistakes made from a toss player are negated much quicker, and are much easier to mitigate with the various mechanics they have at there disposal.
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Why do I get so irritated over un-updated results in OPs? Sigh.
Results, kind people?
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On April 24 2011 09:45 arQ wrote:
Why do I get so irritated over un-updated results in OPs? Sigh.
Results, kind people?
Dimaga 2-0 Lyn
LoveCD 2-1 Nestea
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On April 24 2011 09:45 arQ wrote:
Why do I get so irritated over un-updated results in OPs? Sigh.
Results, kind people?
+ Show Spoiler +Dimaga 2-0 over Lyn
Lovecd 2-1 over Nestea
Hongun up 1-0 over TLO at the moment
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What a hilarious fail by Hongun
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What's better TLO, a DT or a banshee?
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Watching the probes flee the base was hilarious.
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HongUn with a great strategy...Win macro game! Subsequently fail with two 4gates.
Jesus that was terrible lol
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HongUn - first person in gsl history to make a carrier.. lol
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Hongun is so shit it's untrue. Unbearable play from him.
How on earth do this guys go to Korea and invite Hongun for this tourney.
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TLO moves on and will play against lovecd
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Hongun has no fighting spirit. U should fight like on even if 4 gate fails. thats what real pro do. Mentality is just as important as skill
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Sorry about the OP not being updated, updated it fully now.
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On April 24 2011 09:44 bluestuff wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:19 Nerdslayer wrote:On April 24 2011 09:13 bluestuff wrote:On April 24 2011 09:09 Nerdslayer wrote:On April 24 2011 09:08 bluestuff wrote:
man watching one of the best zegs in the world losing to a relatively unknown protoss player makes me sad........ Nastea was gready took a quick 3rd base. thats why he lost and lovecd had nice blink macro so stop with the balance crap. If nestea had played safe this woulnt had happend Funny you say that, when the protoss can forge fast expand and therefore is expected not be punished at all right, but a zerg player trying to capitalize on this "defensive' protoss build is being "greedy". Wrong but most zergs are greedy and onedimensional look at game 3 today copenhagen game morrow vs MC. MC did the usual build 3 gate into forge expand. standard. Morrow decide to go for fast baneling drops on his main and it worked perfectly. why? becuase it was unexpected. Like i sayd so many times as soon zergs learn to play creative and stop being so goddam greedy and onedimensional they will have trouble.. + Show Spoiler +that worked pretty well, considering he lost the series 3-1 right? . This argument that zerg are lazy/greedy/uncreative is absolute bullshit.. Its completely unreasonable to expect zerg to consistently win pvz games with cutesy play, that many times are equivalent to a coin flip for either player. Using nydus/drops would be fine in the matchup if the zerg didn't depend on every single unit in there main army inorder to beat off any agression. As we saw many times in this series and countless others, battles by the zerg were won or lost just barely by the flow of reinforcing units from the base. Investing in drops or nydus, particularly in the mid game,which is what u are implying, are not viable without causing significant damage.. This is amplfied with the fact that a map like xel naga where defending drops is fairly easy with blink stalkers or the like. I am not saying nestea played perfectly,he obviously made critical mistakes in game 2 and 3, However it is pretty evident that mistakes made from a toss player are negated much quicker, and are much easier to mitigate with the various mechanics they have at there disposal.
its not bullshit 90% of all ZVP game is 15 hatch drone drone drone drone drone roach hydras mutas thats it..
So easy for the protoss to counter that sicne they played against that a million time. Its time for the zerg community to start thinking outside the box.
Like i sayd before its like playing poker and showing you opponent you hands..
I am glad that there is some zerg that have started to think outside the box abit l8tly dimaga,sheth and spanishwa come to mind..
So to sum it up Zerg need to "evolve"
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SaSe takes game 1 :D gogo Kim!
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OP says lovecd 2-0 nestea?
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*sigh* Nada why are you only good in the GSL? T_T
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On April 24 2011 10:33 Typhon wrote:
OP says lovecd 2-0 nestea?
Fixed, sorry!
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Could you please use some more time between games...We all see the games, you dont need to talk about it for 5-10 mins after its over.
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Is there a lower quality stream? Australian internet doesn't like ustream it seems.
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On April 24 2011 10:37 vol_ wrote:
Is there a lower quality stream? Australian internet doesn't like ustream it seems.
idk there SHOULD be multiple language streams. If not that's really lame for such a prestigious international tournament.
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Haha 3:0 foreign : korean . Thats the stuff boys
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Ah i missed it =(, are there any chances vods are going to be released anywhere? Would love to watch some of the games, especially nestea or TLO's match
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Yeah, they are recording all of these so I imagine iccup.tv will have some vods/replays for you!
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On April 24 2011 10:44 Tufas wrote:
Haha 3:0 foreign : korean . Thats the stuff boys
Then came NaDa
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Great games today! Nice to see so many insane players and some players that havent played much recently like Lyn. Shame that i missed NesTea match . Replays going to be uploaded?
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On April 24 2011 07:46 Mailing wrote:
Why is only 3000 people watching?... This tourney has players like MVP..
Not much publicity and we have IPL and NASL at the same time. I have all 3 streams at same time. Going insane lol
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On April 24 2011 11:00 ToasteR_ wrote:
Ah i missed it =(, are there any chances vods are going to be released anywhere? Would love to watch some of the games, especially nestea or TLO's match
http://sc2.plu.cn/
The most popular SC2 Vod site in China.
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gg nada, totally going boss mode after that first loss.
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On April 24 2011 11:00 ToasteR_ wrote:
Ah i missed it =(, are there any chances vods are going to be released anywhere? Would love to watch some of the games, especially nestea or TLO's match
Vods will be up very soon, will link them here!
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Awesome, thanks Diamon and thank you bonedriven too =)
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Epic results! Nice to see foreigners don't just get roflstomped anymore, although disappointed about
+ Show Spoiler +Nestea losing
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great games and I liked the casters aswell, enjoyed it even while being super tired @ 2 am  looking forward to more games
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On April 24 2011 13:53 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Epic results! Nice to see foreigners don't just get roflstomped anymore, although disappointed about + Show Spoiler +Nestea losing
This is the first ive seen from any Chinese too, some of them being my favorite players.
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On April 24 2011 11:16 Juaks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:46 Mailing wrote:
Why is only 3000 people watching?... This tourney has players like MVP.. Not much publicity and we have IPL and NASL at the same time. I have all 3 streams at same time. Going insane lol
+ it is 03:00 in the night for EU people, but i'm sure with time this will get it's well deserved hype
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how exactly does this tournament work? i watched a bit last night and it said there were 8 chinese qualifiers? were they region based or some kind of point system from other performances?
hadnt heard of any of the chinese players before so im curious where they came from
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wow Nestea upset !!!
Nice to see TLO and Dimaga going through!
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On April 24 2011 19:50 turdburgler wrote:
how exactly does this tournament work? i watched a bit last night and it said there were 8 chinese qualifiers? were they region based or some kind of point system from other performances?
hadnt heard of any of the chinese players before so im curious where they came from
There was a Chinese tournament to fill 8 qualify spots for just the Chinese to compete in. I think the top 8 from this tournament got a spot or they did it like the TSL.
All the others players got invited.
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On April 24 2011 10:29 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:44 bluestuff wrote:On April 24 2011 09:19 Nerdslayer wrote:On April 24 2011 09:13 bluestuff wrote:On April 24 2011 09:09 Nerdslayer wrote:On April 24 2011 09:08 bluestuff wrote:
man watching one of the best zegs in the world losing to a relatively unknown protoss player makes me sad........ Nastea was gready took a quick 3rd base. thats why he lost and lovecd had nice blink macro so stop with the balance crap. If nestea had played safe this woulnt had happend Funny you say that, when the protoss can forge fast expand and therefore is expected not be punished at all right, but a zerg player trying to capitalize on this "defensive' protoss build is being "greedy". Wrong but most zergs are greedy and onedimensional look at game 3 today copenhagen game morrow vs MC. MC did the usual build 3 gate into forge expand. standard. Morrow decide to go for fast baneling drops on his main and it worked perfectly. why? becuase it was unexpected. Like i sayd so many times as soon zergs learn to play creative and stop being so goddam greedy and onedimensional they will have trouble.. + Show Spoiler +that worked pretty well, considering he lost the series 3-1 right? . This argument that zerg are lazy/greedy/uncreative is absolute bullshit.. Its completely unreasonable to expect zerg to consistently win pvz games with cutesy play, that many times are equivalent to a coin flip for either player. Using nydus/drops would be fine in the matchup if the zerg didn't depend on every single unit in there main army inorder to beat off any agression. As we saw many times in this series and countless others, battles by the zerg were won or lost just barely by the flow of reinforcing units from the base. Investing in drops or nydus, particularly in the mid game,which is what u are implying, are not viable without causing significant damage.. This is amplfied with the fact that a map like xel naga where defending drops is fairly easy with blink stalkers or the like. I am not saying nestea played perfectly,he obviously made critical mistakes in game 2 and 3, However it is pretty evident that mistakes made from a toss player are negated much quicker, and are much easier to mitigate with the various mechanics they have at there disposal. its not bullshit 90% of all ZVP game is 15 hatch drone drone drone drone drone roach hydras mutas thats it.. So easy for the protoss to counter that sicne they played against that a million time. Its time for the zerg community to start thinking outside the box. Like i sayd before its like playing poker and showing you opponent you hands.. I am glad that there is some zerg that have started to think outside the box abit l8tly dimaga,sheth and spanishwa come to mind.. So to sum it up Zerg need to "evolve"
hahaha. 15 hatch
HAHAHAHA. Protoss can SAFILY FAST EXPAND WHILST PUNISHING A FAST EXPANDING ZERG PLAYER. Forge expand for a protoss kills a 14 hatch So you always will have to gas pool expo. Which means you will always be behind in eco(on most maps). Mutas? Kidding me? lmao. PvZ is just a completely broken matchup. No doubt about it. PvT is quite shit as well.
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Any vods of the Dimaga games?
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Yea, are there VOD's somewhere?
edit: nvm^^
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i hope LoveTT will still do good, he was one of my favorites from BW
Are Lx and PJ playing SC2?
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Hasn't FOX.Lyn been doing awful lately?
+ Show Spoiler +Great job Dimaga, truly a great player
Still waiting for an actual legitimate good North American player to appear (lol) instead of all these Europeans and Asians (Taiwanese, Chinese etc.).
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Quit going through and posting unbroadcasted results. Seriously. U did this in our other thread as well. These games will be streamed by us, no need in senseless spoiling. It ruins the whole point of casting. TT
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How is that an upset? + Show Spoiler +FD has been playing really poorly ever since he won GSL.
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On April 25 2011 02:12 lowkontrast wrote:How is that an upset? + Show Spoiler +FD has been playing really poorly ever since he won GSL.
There is no upset man, just all zerg loosing like always... lol... ho and DIMAGA
On April 24 2011 10:29 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 09:44 bluestuff wrote:On April 24 2011 09:19 Nerdslayer wrote:On April 24 2011 09:13 bluestuff wrote:On April 24 2011 09:09 Nerdslayer wrote:On April 24 2011 09:08 bluestuff wrote:
man watching one of the best zegs in the world losing to a relatively unknown protoss player makes me sad........ Nastea was gready took a quick 3rd base. thats why he lost and lovecd had nice blink macro so stop with the balance crap. If nestea had played safe this woulnt had happend Funny you say that, when the protoss can forge fast expand and therefore is expected not be punished at all right, but a zerg player trying to capitalize on this "defensive' protoss build is being "greedy". Wrong but most zergs are greedy and onedimensional look at game 3 today copenhagen game morrow vs MC. MC did the usual build 3 gate into forge expand. standard. Morrow decide to go for fast baneling drops on his main and it worked perfectly. why? becuase it was unexpected. Like i sayd so many times as soon zergs learn to play creative and stop being so goddam greedy and onedimensional they will have trouble.. + Show Spoiler +that worked pretty well, considering he lost the series 3-1 right? . This argument that zerg are lazy/greedy/uncreative is absolute bullshit.. Its completely unreasonable to expect zerg to consistently win pvz games with cutesy play, that many times are equivalent to a coin flip for either player. Using nydus/drops would be fine in the matchup if the zerg didn't depend on every single unit in there main army inorder to beat off any agression. As we saw many times in this series and countless others, battles by the zerg were won or lost just barely by the flow of reinforcing units from the base. Investing in drops or nydus, particularly in the mid game,which is what u are implying, are not viable without causing significant damage.. This is amplfied with the fact that a map like xel naga where defending drops is fairly easy with blink stalkers or the like. I am not saying nestea played perfectly,he obviously made critical mistakes in game 2 and 3, However it is pretty evident that mistakes made from a toss player are negated much quicker, and are much easier to mitigate with the various mechanics they have at there disposal. its not bullshit 90% of all ZVP game is 15 hatch drone drone drone drone drone roach hydras mutas thats it.. So easy for the protoss to counter that sicne they played against that a million time. Its time for the zerg community to start thinking outside the box. Like i sayd before its like playing poker and showing you opponent you hands.. I am glad that there is some zerg that have started to think outside the box abit l8tly dimaga,sheth and spanishwa come to mind.. So to sum it up Zerg need to "evolve"
Can I ask you what should zerg do? Do you know drone are needed to gather mineral ? Do you know most zerg go for a 14 gaz 14 pool then expand just to feel safe ? Do you know protoss players all do the same build 3 gate expand into colossi with sometimes void rays ? Do you know many zerg go for ling bling or ling infestor instead of roach hydra ?
Do you know you are clueless ?
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Wow another tournament lending credence to the fact foreigners maybe equal to Koreans.
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TLO and DIMAGA , both nice guys , nice that both are through
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On April 25 2011 02:48 tdt wrote:
Wow another tournament lending credence to the fact foreigners maybe equal to Koreans.
lag
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Will there be english vods anywhere?
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On April 25 2011 08:28 bdictkam wrote:
Will there be english vods anywhere?
All our vods are on our ustream immediately after the games are casted. They are then uploaded to our youtube channel shortly afterwards.
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On April 25 2011 08:30 TheAngelofDeath wrote:All our vods are on our ustream immediately after the games are casted. They are then uploaded to our youtube channel shortly afterwards.
Thank you 
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Not sure why HongUn felt the need to 4 gate two games in a row after he won the first game...
But good series for the most part. It was pretty great in the third game when it came down to a small skirmish, and one of the casters was convinced TLO's force would lose. TLO's guys were pinned against force fields but then he just picked up and dropped any wounded units right BEHIND the force field. Great display of micro!
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