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+ Show Spoiler +Watching the games now, Morrow just played bad in his games, I am disappoint. Trying to build way too many drones in the first game and just dieing with no defense. In the second game he refused to build a roach warren and lost his third several times to the same silly six gate (that he scouted), after one engagement he was ahead of toss with 1k/1k, if he could have resupplied with roaches he could have done a lot more damage. Instead, he stubbornly tried using all of his gas on more infestors and had little in the way of larva to build zerglings.
Idra played pretty poorly as well, the all in first game could have done a lot more damage if he focused down the cybernetics core and second gate way rather than suiciding all of his zerglings into forcefields and warping buildings. I feel like he played better the second game, built he still suffers from really bad 1a army control and kept losing the battle in spite of being forty or fifty supply ahead
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Wow Idra was raped pretty badly by XiaoT. From 130 supply onward, XiaoT won every engagement vs maxed out Idra until Idra's classic no-gg-ragequit. Gutsy play by XiaoT, down 70 supply and never afraid.
I'm quite surprised Idra still plays ZvP this way. Guys like Nestea/Fruitdealer have come up with stuff like baneling drops, surrounds, positioning/flanking etc. Essentially the goal is to use a multi-pronged approach.
Idra meanwhile is still doing the same things from the beta, massing units and smashing them careless into the Protoss His last engagement with the broodlords was terrible. Fought at chokepoint, no surrounds, just 1a. Why attack from one angle and die to forcefields? Why not let the Protoss army come in farther and surround him from 3 sides??
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hmm...i really wanna see more chinese terran and zerg players in the future. all these chinese protosses look really dominant.
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All Protoss TT
sucks to see as a terran player. MC fighting~~!!
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On May 28 2011 08:19 vnlegend wrote:
Wow Idra was raped pretty badly by XiaoT. From 130 supply onward, XiaoT won every engagement vs maxed out Idra until Idra's classic no-gg-ragequit. Gutsy play by XiaoT, down 70 supply and never afraid.
I'm quite surprised Idra still plays ZvP this way. Guys like Nestea/Fruitdealer have come up with stuff like baneling drops, surrounds, positioning/flanking etc. Essentially the goal is to use a multi-pronged approach.
Idra meanwhile is still doing the same things from the beta, massing units and smashing them careless into the Protoss His last engagement with the broodlords was terrible. Fought at chokepoint, no surrounds, just 1a. Why attack from one angle and die to forcefields? Why not let the Protoss army come in farther and surround him from 3 sides??
IdrA does use all those things, and NesTea/Fruit do use the old style as well.
As for the brood lord thing... what?
He had no other units. He was at like 2000/0 and couldn't make a ground army to protect his BL from the blink stalkers.
If you really think all he does is 1-a roaches into protoss you really need to watch the games more closely.
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On May 28 2011 00:30 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 00:24 Mailing wrote:On May 27 2011 10:37 Aristodemus wrote:On May 26 2011 22:40 Eppa! wrote:
Round of 4 Toss only?
Not really surprised, Morrow and Idra playing on China server in ZvP never boded well. Actually, in Idra's match they played game 1 CN and game 2 on NA and if you watched them you would see lag had no part in it, Idra was just outclassed. I imagine the same servers were used in Morrow's games but i am not certain. Edit: Just realised someone posted pretty much exactly the same above, sorry. Can't you just say "Xiaot outplayed him and lag didn't matter?" People throw around that "outclassed" word too much. You act like if they played 20 times, idra wouldn't win 1. What is wrong with saying with was outclassed in those two games? ... he really was made look like he had very little knowledge understanding of ZvP metagame.
Because outclassing someone means you are a class above, which Xaiot is not, or the games would not have even been close?
An don't use the word metagame like that.
On May 29 2011 00:53 spaZzNx-` wrote:
All Protoss TT
sucks to see as a terran player. MC fighting~~!!
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On May 29 2011 01:00 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 00:30 s4life wrote:On May 28 2011 00:24 Mailing wrote:On May 27 2011 10:37 Aristodemus wrote:On May 26 2011 22:40 Eppa! wrote:
Round of 4 Toss only?
Not really surprised, Morrow and Idra playing on China server in ZvP never boded well. Actually, in Idra's match they played game 1 CN and game 2 on NA and if you watched them you would see lag had no part in it, Idra was just outclassed. I imagine the same servers were used in Morrow's games but i am not certain. Edit: Just realised someone posted pretty much exactly the same above, sorry. Can't you just say "Xiaot outplayed him and lag didn't matter?" People throw around that "outclassed" word too much. You act like if they played 20 times, idra wouldn't win 1. What is wrong with saying with was outclassed in those two games? ... he really was made look like he had very little knowledge understanding of ZvP metagame. Because outclassing someone means you are a class above, which Xaiot is not, or the games would not have even been close? An don't use the word metagame like that. Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 00:53 spaZzNx-` wrote:
All Protoss TT
sucks to see as a terran player. MC fighting~~!!
From those two games, it's not too much of a stretch to say that XiaoT is a class above Idra.
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xiaoT is a fucking BEAST! xiaoT v MC will be epic.
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I am actually surprise how good the Chinese players are. GJ XiaoT n gang. However, MC will roll over all!!
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On May 29 2011 00:58 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 08:19 vnlegend wrote:
Wow Idra was raped pretty badly by XiaoT. From 130 supply onward, XiaoT won every engagement vs maxed out Idra until Idra's classic no-gg-ragequit. Gutsy play by XiaoT, down 70 supply and never afraid.
I'm quite surprised Idra still plays ZvP this way. Guys like Nestea/Fruitdealer have come up with stuff like baneling drops, surrounds, positioning/flanking etc. Essentially the goal is to use a multi-pronged approach.
Idra meanwhile is still doing the same things from the beta, massing units and smashing them careless into the Protoss His last engagement with the broodlords was terrible. Fought at chokepoint, no surrounds, just 1a. Why attack from one angle and die to forcefields? Why not let the Protoss army come in farther and surround him from 3 sides?? IdrA does use all those things, and NesTea/Fruit do use the old style as well. As for the brood lord thing... what? He had no other units. He was at like 2000/0 and couldn't make a ground army to protect his BL from the blink stalkers. If you really think all he does is 1-a roaches into protoss you really need to watch the games more closely.
Really........... Idra 1a'ing into FF and dying repeatedly. I really need to watch that more closely?
Of course Idra, and every other zerg is capable of moving around, flanking, etc. It's just Idra's main method of attack is just brute-force macro 1a. He's lost countless important games in the same manner. It's like he thinks forcefields don't exist.
As I said before, in the deciding game, Idra did not have make that attack. Let the protoss army come forward a bit, and attack from 3 angles instead of 1. FF can't protect all 3 sides. This marked the #9817th time I've seen Idra die like this. Other zergs do too, but Idra is supposedly "good" and I expected more.
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with enough sentries you can easily defend from 3 sides.
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I think the main problem was that Idra for some reason just didn't put his banelings into overlords. Dropping banelings works pretty well, but rolling in and hoping that the Protoss isn't looking doesn't.
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On May 29 2011 03:11 vnlegend wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 00:58 Mailing wrote:On May 28 2011 08:19 vnlegend wrote:
Wow Idra was raped pretty badly by XiaoT. From 130 supply onward, XiaoT won every engagement vs maxed out Idra until Idra's classic no-gg-ragequit. Gutsy play by XiaoT, down 70 supply and never afraid.
I'm quite surprised Idra still plays ZvP this way. Guys like Nestea/Fruitdealer have come up with stuff like baneling drops, surrounds, positioning/flanking etc. Essentially the goal is to use a multi-pronged approach.
Idra meanwhile is still doing the same things from the beta, massing units and smashing them careless into the Protoss His last engagement with the broodlords was terrible. Fought at chokepoint, no surrounds, just 1a. Why attack from one angle and die to forcefields? Why not let the Protoss army come in farther and surround him from 3 sides?? IdrA does use all those things, and NesTea/Fruit do use the old style as well. As for the brood lord thing... what? He had no other units. He was at like 2000/0 and couldn't make a ground army to protect his BL from the blink stalkers. If you really think all he does is 1-a roaches into protoss you really need to watch the games more closely. Really........... Idra 1a'ing into FF and dying repeatedly. I really need to watch that more closely? Of course Idra, and every other zerg is capable of moving around, flanking, etc. It's just Idra's main method of attack is just brute-force macro 1a. He's lost countless important games in the same manner. It's like he thinks forcefields don't exist. As I said before, in the deciding game, Idra did not have make that attack. Let the protoss army come forward a bit, and attack from 3 angles instead of 1. FF can't protect all 3 sides. This marked the #9817th time I've seen Idra die like this. Other zergs do too, but Idra is supposedly "good" and I expected more.
Idra doesn't always 1a, especially in the early game he usually has some great unit control, but I have seen Idra repeatedly lose games due to bad 1aing into a choke. I remember one heartbreaking game against Strelok on Scrap Station in one of the team leagues, he destroyed Strelok the entire game, and then how did he lose? He kept trying to 1a his entire army into an entrenched PT on the third with lots of tanks and marines. After about two or three attacks that lost his entire army, Idra just left the game, it was really depressing.
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chinese are the new koreans lol
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On May 29 2011 23:23 PDizzle wrote:
chinese are the new koreans lol
Perhaps chinese protoss.
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Wow, I just watched morrow vs lovett and idra vs xiaot.
All games were just atrocious. Unbelievable that both played so poorly.
Idra's end-game is almost non-existent and morrow droned without scouting. I don't know how they can play that way.
Unfortunately, Idra's unit compositions (especially during the end-game) are mostly terrible. He needs a teacher (as he seems not be capable of figuring it out himself).
I don't know about Morrow, but he can do better.
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3 Chinese out of 4 players in semis?
Who better to face them than arguably the best player in the world?
Get em MC!
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When is the 4 protoss gonna battle it out? Will we get a stream?
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On June 07 2011 05:23 Pekkz wrote:
When is the 4 protoss gonna battle it out? Will we get a stream?
Yeah we will be streaming it live. I will get the dates and times out tomorrow, as I JUST got back from MLG.
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