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Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 00:40 GMT
#1341
On May 24 2011 09:27 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 09:12 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 09:07 iloahz wrote:
On May 24 2011 09:03 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 08:57 iloahz wrote:
On May 24 2011 08:48 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 08:30 s4life wrote:
On May 24 2011 07:50 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 07:44 On_Slaught wrote:
Holy shit at the results. So many top foreign and korean players getting knocked out by Chinese Protoss players. Going to be riots if Idra and Morrow both manage to lose as well.


Doesn't suprise me at all. When one player is playing in their world cup final and the other is just playing another game in one of many tournaments you'd expect the guy who's playing his world cup final and devoting all his practice time to win unless there is a collosal difference in skill.

For more evidence of this kind of thing look at Thorzain vs MC, Dimaga vs Nestea and many GSTL games.


Wonder what'll take to really give credit to the foreign or chinese player when he beats a Korean. Sure.. MC wasn't trying, he was just playing for $15000 .. just another tournament.. yeah right heh. I think If Bomber and Losira lose half their matches in the MLG fanbots will still find an excuse for them. Let me guess.. jetlag!!


What it will take is for Chinese Protosses, Thorzain, Dimaga to consistantly beat the best and win major tournaments just like MC with his 4 Major LAN titles including two GSL's rather than win against a top player one week and get knocked out of every tournament running the next.

Since his TSL win Thorzain has been knocked out early in the Road to Korea and Swedish WCG and he lost pretty convincingly in the EG Masters last night, in basically everything except the TSL he's been mediocre and still has a lot to prove.

None of the Chinese players have achieved anything outside of the one Chinese tournament in Sc2. If they get stomped by MC at the LAN they will all look a bit silly a bit like Kas did in Copenhagen after some of the hype here calling him the best Terran in the world.

I wonder when the how many LANS in a row Koreans will need to win before the anti-Korean brigade realise the obvious.


None of Chinese achieved anything because they did not participate in those events. A lack of information does not indicate a lack of skills. In fact judging from how Chinese are so good are RTS games in general, (best at WC3 and best at SC1 outside of Korea), it will not surprise me if the Chinese completely dominates the SC2 scene in the future. WCG 2011 will be one of first things to come.


So in your world if someone has never won anything the logical reason is they never try and would win everything if they did?

I also never participated in a major lan but ofc if i felt like going to Korea I'd probably win Code S.


Do you know anything about the Chinese scene? I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with someone like you.


Because your argument is ridiculous. Players are top players when they win tournaments and turn mindless hype into results on the board. There are countless footballers (soccer) with amazing talent and ability but unless they turn that into real performances it means nothing.

So when you say Chinese players are super talented it's a worthless statement, players are not good because you say they are, they are good because they win tournaments, which Chinese players have not done. So ranking them alongside a guy like MC who has won basically all there is to win in Sc2 is absurd.

I reckon that people are getting riled up mostly because your initial post at the top of the previous page basically says, "Well, the Koreans could have owned the Chinese if only they (the Koreans) took this tournament seriously." Which is, no matter how you look at it, really fucking disrespectful to the Chinese. That's basically akin to me saying, "Oh, I could have gotten first chair in the Atlanta Symphony Youth Orchestra if only I put in the practice!" Because, you know what? I didn't. (I didn't even get into the orchestra, for that matter.) But by saying otherwise, I am taking credit away from and downplaying the achievements of the people who, honest to god, fucking outplayed me during the auditions.

And look, you can be as skeptical as you want to be about the Chinese - a dose of skepticism is always healthy - but I don't think it's possible to argue at this moment that the Chinese have wiped the ground with most of the foreign/Korean competition in this particular tournament. They have outplayed their opponents, and they have played remarkably well, for the most part. Even without looking at the results and coming at it from just a purely objective standpoint, I think it's quite fair to say that they are in great shape, and I, for one, can't wait for the day when they actually decide to go to the GSLs. (Or rather I should say, if they decide to go to the GSLs.)

And finally, one can be a good, super-talented, skillful player without winning any tournaments. (DRG is a great example. Sure, he's in Code B, and yet he's also one of the top Zergs in Korea at the moment.) But for the most part, yes, people do look at results over anything else.


Not a comparable analogy at all. When the game starts then yes MC 100% gives a damn about winning, but before that is he putting in the same effort as Thorzain? Of course he isn't, because MC has bigger things going on and is busy travelling the world collecting donations from Scandinavian nations, where as for Thorzain this is literally all he has going on, so ofc Thorzain is caring more and trying harder overall. At pro level Sc2 games are more than just the time spent playing the actual matches.

I don't understand why this is a hard concept for some people.

DRG is only a top Zerg in the minds of fools. When he wins Code A he will be a top Zerg.
eiger
Profile Joined April 2010
Belgium98 Posts
May 24 2011 00:41 GMT
#1342

That Chinese protoss was very solid, no big mistakes, nice stalker control.. its only a good thing the more China gets into sc2
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2014 Posts
May 24 2011 00:42 GMT
#1343
These chinese players are really good, i hope they intergrate into the foreign scene more in the future regardless of what happens from now on.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 00:42 GMT
#1344
On May 24 2011 09:38 Maskedsatyr wrote:
Holy shit Lovett really playing damn well.


It was more Morrow playing badly, not to take anything from Lovett but if he is great then he certainly didn't need to be there.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 24 2011 00:45 GMT
#1345
I'm hoping IdrA takes it but I have a feeling he won't. D:
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 24 2011 00:45 GMT
#1346
Morrow looked like he was in the middle of his strategy switch during that game - from the mass roach shenanigans he was doing a while ago to the "use every unit" strategy he employed against Naniwa. Not too solid, but Lovett certainly didn't give him much room to get his macro up, either. The Tal'Darim Altar game really was Morrow's to lose and he got way too greedy.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 00:47 GMT
#1347
Roach ling timing incoming.
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
May 24 2011 00:48 GMT
#1348
roach rush time
TheMenace
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany244 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 00:49:05
May 24 2011 00:48 GMT
#1349
I am sorry to say this but casting is not really high quality. They seem not to see so many things going on
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 24 2011 00:49 GMT
#1350
Whoa interesting play by IdrA.. but a strange opponent to do it against. It seems like XiaOt would know less about him than your average player... though I suppose it's likely he did at least a little bit of research.
thisisSSK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States179 Posts
May 24 2011 00:49 GMT
#1351
On May 24 2011 09:48 TheMenace wrote:
I am sorry to say this but casting is really bad quality. They seem not to see so many things going on


Yup. I hope they get some decent casters soon, but that's probably not gonna happen.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 24 2011 00:49 GMT
#1352
Xiaot is perfectly prepared, what are they talking about.
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 00:51:11
May 24 2011 00:50 GMT
#1353
why didnt he just target production :\ yeah toss would have an awesome economy but he wouldnt be able to attack for like 10 minutes.
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
May 24 2011 00:50 GMT
#1354
Lag central on stream it seems. I'm on 480p and its terrible
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HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
May 24 2011 00:50 GMT
#1355
The great wall of hongun!
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
May 24 2011 00:50 GMT
#1356
Holy shit. How ta fuck did he hold that.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
oo inflame oo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States286 Posts
May 24 2011 00:50 GMT
#1357
inc 4 toss in semifinals?
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
May 24 2011 00:50 GMT
#1358
Awesome defense.
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2014 Posts
May 24 2011 00:50 GMT
#1359
lol idra got owned then, perfect defence
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 00:51:36
May 24 2011 00:51 GMT
#1360
On May 24 2011 09:50 HeroHenry wrote:
The great wall of hongun!

Great wall of China you mean
"Don't believe in you who believes in me, don't believe in me who believes in you, believe in you...who believes in yourself!"
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