EPTOn May 24 2011 09:27 babylon wrote:
I reckon that people are getting riled up mostly because your initial post at the top of the previous page basically says, "Well, the Koreans could have owned the Chinese if only they (the Koreans) took this tournament seriously." Which is, no matter how you look at it, really fucking disrespectful to the Chinese. That's basically akin to me saying, "Oh, I could have gotten first chair in the Atlanta Symphony Youth Orchestra if only I put in the practice!" Because, you know what? I didn't. (I didn't even get into the orchestra, for that matter.) But by saying otherwise, I am taking credit away from and downplaying the achievements of the people who, honest to god, fucking outplayed me during the auditions.
And look, you can be as skeptical as you want to be about the Chinese - a dose of skepticism is always healthy - but I don't think it's possible to argue at this moment that the Chinese have wiped the ground with most of the foreign/Korean competition in this particular tournament. They have outplayed their opponents, and they have played remarkably well, for the most part. Even without looking at the results and coming at it from just a purely objective standpoint, I think it's quite fair to say that they are in great shape, and I, for one, can't wait for the day when they actually decide to go to the GSLs. (Or rather I should say, if they decide to go to the GSLs.)
And finally, one can be a good, super-talented, skillful player without winning any tournaments. (DRG is a great example. Sure, he's in Code B, and yet he's also one of the top Zergs in Korea at the moment.) But for the most part, yes, people do look at results over anything else.
I reckon that people are getting riled up mostly because your initial post at the top of the previous page basically says, "Well, the Koreans could have owned the Chinese if only they (the Koreans) took this tournament seriously." Which is, no matter how you look at it, really fucking disrespectful to the Chinese. That's basically akin to me saying, "Oh, I could have gotten first chair in the Atlanta Symphony Youth Orchestra if only I put in the practice!" Because, you know what? I didn't. (I didn't even get into the orchestra, for that matter.) But by saying otherwise, I am taking credit away from and downplaying the achievements of the people who, honest to god, fucking outplayed me during the auditions.
And look, you can be as skeptical as you want to be about the Chinese - a dose of skepticism is always healthy - but I don't think it's possible to argue at this moment that the Chinese have wiped the ground with most of the foreign/Korean competition in this particular tournament. They have outplayed their opponents, and they have played remarkably well, for the most part. Even without looking at the results and coming at it from just a purely objective standpoint, I think it's quite fair to say that they are in great shape, and I, for one, can't wait for the day when they actually decide to go to the GSLs. (Or rather I should say, if they decide to go to the GSLs.)
And finally, one can be a good, super-talented, skillful player without winning any tournaments. (DRG is a great example. Sure, he's in Code B, and yet he's also one of the top Zergs in Korea at the moment.) But for the most part, yes, people do look at results over anything else.
Not a comparable analogy at all. When the game starts then yes MC 100% gives a damn about winning, but before that is he putting in the same effort as Thorzain? Of course he isn't, because MC has bigger things going on and is busy travelling the world collecting donations from Scandinavian nations, where as for Thorzain this is literally all he has going on, so ofc Thorzain is caring more and trying harder overall. At pro level Sc2 games are more than just the time spent playing the actual matches.
I don't understand why this is a hard concept for some people.
DRG is only a top Zerg in the minds of fools. When he wins Code A he will be a top Zerg.
