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compLexity Gaming is proud to announce WEEK 12 of its biggest initiative in the StarCraft 2 community, The V! The best test of skill in SC2 is of course the 1 v 1, and we're going to showcase it every week with a best of 7 series between two invited players. The winner will receive $100, and the loser will just have to hang his head in shame as he types "gg." Whoever wins The V will be expected to play the very next week at the same time!
Here are the details for Week 12:
Who: + Show Spoiler +Chad "Root.Minigun" Jones - Protoss![[image loading]](http://www.complexitygaming.com/uploads/depository/minigun.png) Michael "Vile.Spanishiwa" Yabut - Zerg![[image loading]](http://www.complexitygaming.com/uploads/depository/spanishwa.png)
When: Friday, April 15th, 23:00 GMT (+00:00) (7 p.m. EDT, 4 p.m. PDT)
Stream:
Cast by AskJoshy and potentially a compLexity Staff or Player co-caster. Stream can be seen on the front page of compLexityGaming.com
Format: Best of 7 series, map pool is as follows:
- Game 1: Shattered Temple
- Game 2: Backwater Gulch
- Game 3: Terminus RE
- Game 4: Metalopolis
- Game 5: Typhon Peaks
- Game 6: Xel'Naga Caverns
- Game 7: Crossfire SE
In the event of a disconnect, the game replay will be reviewed by a player panel to determine if a re-game is necessary. If one player disconnects three times in a single night, he will forfeit the series and the non-disconnecting player will be asked back to the next V.
Prizes: The winner of the best of 7 series will receive $100 via Paypal and be invited to play again the following week. The loser will receive nothing. Every week we have a different giveaway for our viewers, so be sure to tune in for instructions on how to win!
This week's viewer prize is a $300 package from SoundBlaster!
This package includes a Sound Blaster Tactic3D Sigma gaming headset, a Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro Series PCI Express Sound Card, and a Creative Live! Cam Socialize HD AF HD Webcam and one lucky viewer of The V will take home all of it!
So come join us for the twelfth ever edition of "The V" and see if Spanishiwa from Vile Gaming can topple our brand new champion (defeating CrunCher in Week 11, 4-3), Root Gaming's Minigun! Please feel free to vote in the poll and leave a comment with your series score prediction!
Poll: Who will win The V Week 12?!Vile.Spanishiwa (222) 55% Root.Minigun (185) 45% 407 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 12?! (Vote): Root.Minigun
(Vote): Vile.Spanishiwa
Results! + Show Spoiler +Spanishiwa <Shattered Temple> Minigun
Spanishiwa < Backwater Gulch > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Terminus RE > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Metalopolis > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Typhon Peaks > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Xel'Naga Caverns > Minigun
Spanishiwa < Crossfire SE > Minigun
Spanishiwa wins 4-3! Congratulations!
VOD's! Start here with Game 1!
Week 1 - 11 Archives! + Show Spoiler +Week 1 Stuff! Liquid`Tyler vs. ROOT.drewbie! + Show Spoiler +Week 2 Stuff! Liquid`Tyler vs. FXOSheth! + Show Spoiler +Results: + Show Spoiler +Tyler <Xel'Naga Caverns> Sheth
Tyler < Lost Temple > Sheth
Tyler < Delta Quadrant > Sheth
Tyler < Metalopolis > Sheth
Tyler < Shakuras Plateau > Sheth
Tyler < Scrap Station > Sheth
Tyler < Blistering Sands > Sheth
Sheth wins 4-3! Congratulations! Poll: Who will win The V Week 2?Liquid`Tyler (95) 63% FXOSheth (56) 37% 151 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 2? (Vote): Liquid`Tyler
(Vote): FXOSheth
FXOSheth vs. NrG.dde! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 3?FXOSheth (55) 59% NrG.dde (38) 41% 93 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 3? (Vote): FXOSheth
(Vote): NrG.dde
Results: + Show Spoiler +Sheth <Metalopolis> dde
Sheth < Xel'Naga Caverns > dde
Sheth < Scrap Station > dde
Sheth < Lost Temple > dde
Sheth < Delta Quadrant > dde
dde wins 4-1! Congratulations! Start HERE with Game 1. (Keep in mind I am a moron and had my mic muted for the first game, it comes back in game 2.) NrG.dde vs. EG.Axslav! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 4?!EG.Axslav (46) 61% NrG.dde (29) 39% 75 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 4?! (Vote): NrG.dde
(Vote): EG.Axslav
Results:+ Show Spoiler +Axslav < Xel'Naga Caverns > dde
Axslav < Metalopolis > dde
Axslav < Delta Quadrant > dde
Axslav < Lost Temple > dde
Axslav wins 4-0! Congratulations! EG.Axslav vs. ROOT.Slush! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 5?!EG.Axslav (39) 51% ROOTSLush (38) 49% 77 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 5?! (Vote): EG.Axslav
(Vote): ROOTSLush
Results: + Show Spoiler +Axslav <Metalopolis> Slush
Axslav < Lost Temple > Slush
Axslav < Xel'Naga Caverns > Slush
Axslav < Shakuras Plateau > Slush
Axslav < Steppes of War > Slush
Axslav wins 4-1! Congratulations! : Clicky Clicky!Here's an interview with our winner!: + Show Spoiler + EG.Axslav vs. Dignitas SjoW! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 6?!Dignitas SjoW (54) 56% EG.Axslav (43) 44% 97 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 6?! (Vote): EG.Axslav
(Vote): Dignitas SjoW
Results: + Show Spoiler +Axslav <Xel'Naga Caverns> SjoW
Axslav < Scrap Station > SjoW
Axslav < Metalopolis > SjoW
Axslav < Lost Temple > SjoW
Axslav < Shakuras Plateau > SjoW
Axslav < Blistering Sands > SjoW
Axslav < Steppes of War > SjoW
SjoW wins 4-3! Congratulations! : Start here with Game 1! coL.CrunCher vs. LG.PainUser! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 7?!LG.PainUser (68) 62% coL.CrunCher (41) 38% 109 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 7?! (Vote): LG.PainUser
(Vote): coL.CrunCher
Results: + Show Spoiler +PainUser < Xel'Naga Caverns > CrunCher
Painuser < Shattered Temple > CrunCher
PainUser < Crossfire SE > CrunCher
PainUser < Metalopolis > CrunCher
PainUser < Typhon Peaks > CrunCher
Congratulations to CrunCher for winning 4-1! : Start here with Game 1! coL.CrunCher vs. Dignitas SjoW! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 8?!Dignitas SjoW (80) 75% coL.CrunCher (26) 25% 106 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 8?! (Vote): Dignitas SjoW
(Vote): coL.CrunCher
Results: + Show Spoiler +SjoW < Xel'Naga Caverns > CrunCher
SjoW < Shattered Temple > CrunCher This sucker was a stalemate! We re-gamed.
SjoW < Shattered Temple > CrunCher
SjoW < Crossfire SE > CrunCher
SjoW < Metalopolis > CrunCher
SjoW < Typhon Peaks > CrunCher
Congratulations to CrunCher for winning 4-1! Start here with game 1! : coL.CrunCher vs. EG.LzGaMeR! + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 9?!CrunCher (37) 58% LzGaMeR (27) 42% 64 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 9?! (Vote): CrunCher
(Vote): LzGaMeR
Results: + Show Spoiler +LzGaMeR < Xel'Naga Caverns > CrunCher
LzGaMeR < Shattered Temple > CrunCher
LzGaMeR < Crossfire SE > CrunCher
LzGaMeR < Metalopolis > CrunCher
LzGaMeR < Typhon Peaks > CrunCher
Congratulations to CrunCher for winning 4-1! : coL.CrunCher vs. EG.StrifeCro + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 10?!CrunCher (36) 59% StrifeCro (25) 41% 61 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 10?! (Vote): CrunCher
(Vote): StrifeCro
Results: + Show Spoiler +CrunCher <Shattered Temple> StrifeCro
CrunCher < Backwater Gulch > StrifeCro
CrunCher < Terminus RE > StrifeCro
CrunCher < Metalopolis > StrifeCro
CrunCher wins 4-0! Congratulations! Start here with Game 1!: coL.CrunCher vs. Root.Minigun + Show Spoiler +Poll: Who will win The V Week 11?Root.Minigun (74) 60% coL.CrunCher (50) 40% 124 total votes Your vote: Who will win The V Week 11? (Vote): coL.CrunCher
(Vote): Root.Minigun
Results: + Show Spoiler +CrunCher <Shattered Temple> Minigun
CrunCher < Backwater Gulch > Minigun
CrunCher < Terminus RE > Minigun
CrunCher < Metalopolis > Minigun
CrunCher < Typhon Peaks > Minigun
CrunCher < Xel'Naga Caverns > Minigun
CrunCher < Crossfire SE > Minigun
Minigun wins 4-3! Congratulations! : Start here with Game 1!
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YESSSSS SPANISHIWA!! <3333333
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Fan of both of these guys but, I can't see Minigun losing this Bo7. His play has been rock solid lately and Spanishiwa is still refining a lot of his game. I believe Minigun might be caught off guard in the first couple of games, then he'll adapt and win it out 4-2. Should be fun games though, which is all that we can ask for really.
Good luck to both!
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Cannot wait, spanishiwa has quickly become one of my favourite zergs.
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Technically aren't the Week 1-11 spoilers, since we can see who's continuing each week  Maybe you shoudl edit the formatting of that.
As for this week, what an awesome awesome match between two of the most popular streamers, can't wait.
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I don't play Zerg but I tune into Spanishiwa's stream because I am so intrigued by his extremely late gas build. It is pretty damn cool.
With that being said, Minigun is the better player.
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I'll be rooting for Spanishiwa, such a cool guy. 
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4-0 minigun cause PvZ and spanishwa is bad
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On April 14 2011 09:01 lizzuma wrote:
4-0 minigun cause PvZ and spanishwa is bad
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On April 14 2011 09:01 lizzuma wrote:
4-0 minigun cause PvZ and spanishwa is bad
You're talking about a guy who handily dispatched CrunCher on stream. I think it's going to be a close one. Both are fantastic players but mini may have the edge by playing super solid. Dunno if low APM will hurt him though because Spanish is very abusive
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On April 14 2011 08:06 GenesisX wrote:
YESSSSS SPANISHIWA!! <3333333
I watch some of Spanishiwa's stream the other day, and I am excited for the match-up. Spanishiwa has this cool style of late gas and mass nydus-expand builds.
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Yeah, after I saw his game vs CrunCher on sc2casts.com I immediately checked the strategy section on TL and found his topic. Intrigued, I decided to watch his stream for a bit.
I actually watched his stream for a lot longer than I thought I would, so I feel a bit endeared to the guy. Looking forward to seeing him in action against MiniGun
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Why do these guys look like they're 12 in the pictures?
Spanishiwa fighting!
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mini gun vs spanishiwa? JEEEE JEEEE!!
minigun all over it.
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Excited for this match up!
Also, we'll be having a prize giveaway worth around $500 so be sure to tune in!
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sorry, but how old are both players? couldnt find any information after a google and TLPD research
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Minigun is 11 and Spanishiwa is 5. What does it matter how old they are? =P
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Well, while i like the spanishiwa's style, miinigun is a ROOT, and a beast.
go go Minigun.
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On April 14 2011 09:01 lizzuma wrote:
4-0 minigun cause PvZ and spanishwa is bad
Can't wait for this showmatch so everyone like you is wrong.
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On April 15 2011 01:09 Duka08 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 09:01 lizzuma wrote:
4-0 minigun cause PvZ and spanishwa is bad
Can't wait for this showmatch so everyone like you is wrong.
I agree that the balance argument is a stupid one, and Spanishiwa is pretty good, but I don't see Minigun losing this.
Guessing 4-1 or 4-2 for Minigun.
And rooting for him too Minigun fighting!!!
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should be a great series. i think minigun will take it though
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Minigun 4-0, 4-1 at best. Unless he doesn't know how to play against spanishwa's strategy of course which he might not know anything about it but even then I still stand 4-0, 4-1.
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If I'm sober, I'll be watching this! :D
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Minigun 4-1 easily; as long as he knows what to expect from Mr Spanishwa :p
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think minigun will take this pretty handily, kid is a beast
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time to go look up that spanishwa strat post in the strat section :D
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I loved some of the stuff I saw Spanishiwa did in the semis of SCREDDIT.
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shouldnt this be live now?
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@Minigun so subtle!
@Enox, it's tomorrow
I think Minigun will win too, but not without a fight from Spanishiwa :D It will be an awesome clash of two great strategists!
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Updated the original post with the crazy awesome $300 package from SoundBlaster that one lucky viewer will win tomorrow night on The V Week 12!
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On April 15 2011 08:12 pyrestrike wrote:@Minigun so subtle! @Enox, it's tomorrow I think Minigun will win too, but not without a fight from Spanishiwa :D It will be an awesome clash of two great strategists!
ok, but then the time in the OP is wrong, at least for europe. 1am cest on friday was 20min ago
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Ah, I used the time code thing and put in 1900 EDT, so it displays 0100 CEST I guess, but doesn't know which day. Sorry for that, but The V has always and will always be on Friday nights / Saturday early mornings. =)
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I want to see Spanishiwa take it. I love his crazy no-gas build.
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I am just looking forward to casting some Spanishiwa games! That guy's been all the rage lately!
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Spanishiwa FIGHTING!
Spanish is 17 btw. He's a senior in high school.
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This is happening in about 2 hours? Can't see it in the upcoming events.
oh nvm. the local time is not correct for me
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Today's the day, only about 6 hours left before this (hopefully) sick PvZ bo7 and the chance to win $300 worth of gear from SoundBlaster! =D
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Really excited to see this series. Does anyone know if vods will be uploaded?
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Both of these players streams have really impressed me lately.. I am gonna hafta say Minigun wins 4-2. His PvZ is extremely solid with a ton of different openings that he is comfortable with, perfect for a bo7.
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Looking forward to this after seeing Spanishiwa in yesterdays D9D, interesting to see if his strategy will work against a high-caliber player like Minigun. At least after his strat has had a bit exposure and will not come as a surprise on Minigun.
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Can't say I don't like it, but the viewer prize is almost redundant. What does the match winner get? $100. What does the viewer winner get? $300 worth of stuff. But I guess advertisement of the product is the more important part.
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I'll go with Minigun, not because of PvZ or that I think Spanishiwa's build is bad.. I just think he's a better player with more experience at the moment.
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This is going to be an interesting set of matches! Looking forward to it a lot
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SpanishiWa is absolutely one of my favorite players Is he actually Spanish?
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all has been said, let it begin!
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Can't wait for this two of the most talented players in NA (imo),
Joshy think this is ur best week yet!!!
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"Pre-Game" (ie- Josh playing StarJeweled) is live!
Tune in for a chance to win a $300 prize package
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That $300 prize pack is damn sexy
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On April 16 2011 03:27 Nazgral wrote:SpanishiWa is absolutely one of my favorite players Is he actually Spanish?
Not sure how accurate it is but I saw someone say in another thread hes part Filipino. So Spanish-ish, yes.
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crap close positions. interested in how spanishiwa plays that
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I love ROOT gaming but my Swarm brothers come 1st.
Gogo Spanishiwa!!!
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Why did minigun run his zealots around in spanishes base getting hit by spines without actually doing anything?...
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Just want to say, people might think that was cheese of spanishiwa, but it actually was a response to his natural getting pylon blocked.
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On April 16 2011 08:14 Mailing wrote:
Why did minigun run his zealots around in spanishes base getting hit by spines without actually doing anything?...
Yeah minigun looked kinda unsure how to deal with that sort of play. If he had just walled off his main he would have won = /
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Good game
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Game 2 just now was awesome! Glad I randomly put this on.
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Game 2 was fantastic. So refreshing
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Interesting, would templar be a better option then colossi vs that?
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Wow, Minigun is a pretty damn good player, but Spanishiwa is showing how strong this build is.
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oh wow. thats such inspiring play by spanishiwa. lol. i have seen his games a lot the past week and it seems really really fun and strong.
hope mini can come back and make it a series though!
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Templar/archons would be good against all those lings, so are zealots but somehow spanishiwa just makes it look easy
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On April 16 2011 08:30 jmbthirteen wrote:
Wow, Minigun is a pretty damn good player, but Spanishiwa is showing how strong this build is.
Yeah, I love Spanishiwa's style!
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Such an inspiring player, that was just beautiful.
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Spanishiwa is really very confortable with his build. Actually is kind of scary...! The boom in supply after he saturates the main and the natural is amazing. Lots of upgrades, fast Hive, fast ultras or broodlords. I foresee a good future for this kind of play.
Gogo Spanishiwa! :D
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On April 16 2011 08:30 1Eris1 wrote:
Interesting, would templar be a better option then colossi vs that?
I'd say a lot of highly upgraded gateway units instead. Charge and blink should be key against that fairly weak but very fast army by Spanishiwa.
It might also be one of these situations were many canons are actually good.
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It's awesome to see Spanishiwa's innovative build/play pan out to victories!!! Need more of this for Zerg
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On April 16 2011 08:36 Gegenschein wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 08:30 1Eris1 wrote:
Interesting, would templar be a better option then colossi vs that? I'd say a lot of highly upgraded gateway units instead. Charge and blink should be key against that fairly weak but very fast army by Spanishiwa. It might also be one of these situations were many canons are actually good.
Archons are good against this, I would think? And cannons would be great. VR's too, in small numbers, to force corrupters.
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Heh, spanish is on top of things
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On April 16 2011 08:37 imareaver3 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 08:36 Gegenschein wrote:On April 16 2011 08:30 1Eris1 wrote:
Interesting, would templar be a better option then colossi vs that? I'd say a lot of highly upgraded gateway units instead. Charge and blink should be key against that fairly weak but very fast army by Spanishiwa. It might also be one of these situations were many canons are actually good. Archons are good against this, I would think? And cannons would be great. VR's too, in small numbers, to force corrupters.
Yeah, most probably. The problem is always getting to archons in time. Armor upgrade is also key.
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On April 16 2011 08:37 imareaver3 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 08:36 Gegenschein wrote:On April 16 2011 08:30 1Eris1 wrote:
Interesting, would templar be a better option then colossi vs that? I'd say a lot of highly upgraded gateway units instead. Charge and blink should be key against that fairly weak but very fast army by Spanishiwa. It might also be one of these situations were many canons are actually good. Archons are good against this, I would think? And cannons would be great. VR's too, in small numbers, to force corrupters.
True, but it's really hard to improvise successfully against a refined strategy, especially if it goes against everything you normally practice in PvZ.
To be honest, Minigun should have come prepared with some crazy stuff of his own.
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heh so many protoss have tried that dt thing before because spanishiwa takes such late gas geysers but almost everytime that happens. The queens just keep transfusing until the spores/overseers are up.
Really nice well thought up build.
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Anyone else notice he dropped a changeling in the gap in the wall so that a Zealot couldn't be warped in to prevent the speedlings running in?
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On April 16 2011 08:44 Aequos wrote:
Anyone else notice he dropped a changeling in the gap in the wall so that a Zealot couldn't be warped in to prevent the speedlings running in?
I did not see that, but that's pretty impressive. I like what I'm seeing out of Spanishiwa so far.
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I haven't seen Spanishiwa lose yet, heh.
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SPANIIIIII SHIWAAAA!!! Fanboying it up for you sir
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Spanishiwa has a crazy insane playstyle watching right now and wow.
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This is why I hate people that complain that zerg is broken and can't beat protoss.
It's a simple matter of doing something different to take advantage of the current style of protoss.
Really like this style by spanishiwa, very different from the "well, I build roaches, and then I lose to mass stalker"
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I'm off to the sign up to the fanclub right now. =P
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I liked Spanishiwa before this but still thought he'd lose to Minigun... but dang, he's crushing Minigun. I hope he does some Nydus play for game 4.
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according to darkforce and even sheth, this style of play isn't viable in high level play (as said in the strategy thread). It's hard to see what they were saying when spanishiwa is doing this well in this showmatch series. Then again, it doesn't look like minigun is playing his best? I don't know what to think
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On April 16 2011 08:44 Aequos wrote:
Anyone else notice he dropped a changeling in the gap in the wall so that a Zealot couldn't be warped in to prevent the speedlings running in?
I noticed that too. Spanishiwa is great at doing the small things. I think he is going to be a very good player.
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Wow... Spanishiwa is truly becoming a beast. That timing on the DT's was so good. And that run by with speedlings into the Minigun's main was just om nom nom nom...!
I think I have a new hero! ^^
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On April 16 2011 08:47 N3rV[Green] wrote:
This is why I hate people that complain that zerg is broken and can't beat protoss.
It's a simple matter of doing something different to take advantage of the current style of protoss.
Really like this style by spanishiwa, very different from the "well, I build roaches, and then I lose to mass stalker"
It's more like
"well spanish builds mass lingz, i will keep making many stalkerz"
Mini is playing extremely disappointingly, compared to say kiwikaki :/
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Minigun not mining with half his probes...
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On April 16 2011 08:48 adeezy wrote:
according to darkforce and even sheth, this style of play isn't viable in high level play (as said in the strategy thread). It's hard to see what they were saying when spanishiwa is doing this well in this showmatch series. Then again, it doesn't look like minigun is playing his best? I don't know what to think
I think it has potential, but Minigun is playing really poorly atm
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No surprises in that game. I think he needs a better way to hold that ramp, because that's just a basic Protoss pressure earlygame.
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I wonder why they used that close position metal map.... shouldve used the mlg version
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On April 16 2011 08:49 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 08:47 N3rV[Green] wrote:
This is why I hate people that complain that zerg is broken and can't beat protoss.
It's a simple matter of doing something different to take advantage of the current style of protoss.
Really like this style by spanishiwa, very different from the "well, I build roaches, and then I lose to mass stalker" It's more like "well spanish builds mass lingz, i will keep making many stalkerz" Mini is playing extremely disappointingly, compared to say kiwikaki :/
if mini just goes mass zealots in response to his lings, spanishiwa will just kill him with banelings
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Hmm mini seems to be doing better vs spanishiwa's strat. I think it's just one of those things you have to face first before you understand how to combat it. I could still see Spani taking this series tho
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That's 3 games in a row where mini lets spanish in his base for free. No pylons to scout his own base against spanish, really now minigun?
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I feel like this game has been over but Spanishiwa is still playing very well.
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i think i can safely say this is one of the worst games of sc2 i've ever witnessed.
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On April 16 2011 09:23 sigol wrote:
i think i can safely say this is one of the worst games of sc2 i've ever witnessed.
Yeah, that was a bit too long. Minigun wouldn't close the game and Spanishiwa with that gg timing.  Better games ahead, I can feel it.
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On April 16 2011 09:23 sigol wrote:
i think i can safely say this is one of the worst games of sc2 i've ever witnessed.
I take it you didn't watch GSL for the two first seasons? 
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He's putting too much effort in the games he's too far behind I feel. Not that it isn't fun to watch and refreshing compared to some Zergs, but he's overdoing it a bit and it might come back to bite him in the next game or two.
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I'm not sure if mass blink stalker is good against mass lings, even on Xel'Naga Cavern...
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i thought spanishiwa had it but that cliff abuse made those stalkers own against those lings
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Spanishiwa goes for standard hatch-gas-pool-speed. Minigun wins with blink stalker rush on XNC.
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Mass blink stalker is always good.
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zerglings can't focus fire stalkers very well, so unless the protoss can't micro for crap, it's extremely difficult to whittle the numbers down.
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Spanishiwa should have put his extra zerglings on the low ground, instead of trying to break the Mini's wall.
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On April 16 2011 09:36 Gegenschein wrote:
Spanishiwa should have put his extra zerglings on the low ground, instead of trying to break the Mini's wall.
Yeah, if he'd sent those to the lowground 3rd he'd have held that. He defended with only half his lings, threw the game away
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And now, another very good map for blink.
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On April 16 2011 09:36 Gegenschein wrote:
Spanishiwa should have put his extra zerglings on the low ground, instead of trying to break the Mini's wall.
Yeah hopefully Spanishiwa learns from that mistake. I'm sure he will.
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On April 16 2011 09:37 Gegenschein wrote:
And now, another very good map for blink.
Yup. That would have actually helped him a lot. Possibly even win him the game.
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That was a trippy opening.
"You block my hatch? Fine, I'll dying-evo your wall."
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Pretty cool evo-block play by Spanishiwa, delayed the core and pulled 6 probes off mining for 30 seconds, and got a probe snipe.
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i'm just amazed with the people in chat calling spanishiwa a 1 trick man.... i mean, really?
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4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol
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Mass static >> tier 1.5 rush.
Minigun has expanded but really late, I'm pretty sure he's quite behind now.
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forcefields... forcefields everywhere :D
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Why didn't spanishiwa kill the natural....
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BANELING DROP TIMED FOR +2 ATTACK
ONE-SHOTS PROBES
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grats spanishiwa, great play
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Nice series of games, quite entertaining.
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This was an AMAZING series.. and what a hell of an ending...
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Oh man Spanishiwa is so beastly xD. That last attack was absolutely beautiful.
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Grats to Spanishiwa, entertaining Zerg player to watch.
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Congrats Spanishiwa!
Very deserved, I might add!
I was scared at first, but you're pretty good.
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awesome play from an up and coming player. great strats as well.
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Notice Spanishiwa does not have Baneling Speed. He'd rather use overlords for extra mobility than the small boost from a 150/150 upgrade.
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really cool timing attack. Going to go scrounge for more of his vods now
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On April 16 2011 09:50 Severedevil wrote:
Notice Spanishiwa does not have Baneling Speed. He'd rather use overlords for extra mobility than the small boost from a 150/150 upgrade.
thats how he tries to get that circular explode instead of exploding in the front only
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On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol
I guess he was afraid of spanish's lategame
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Yay! We get to see more Spanishiwa!
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Woot, haven't been this happy about a player winning for a long time now. ;D
Well played indeed.
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Crazy games! Tune in next week to see Spanishiwa defend his title!
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On April 16 2011 09:51 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol I guess he was afraid of spanish's lategame
Mini's most dominating win was when he got colossus/void rays...
Mini just needs to practice defending against bane drops, it's the only thing that kept screwing him up.
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On April 16 2011 09:58 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 hugman wrote:On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol I guess he was afraid of spanish's lategame Mini's most dominating win was when he got colossus/void rays... Mini just needs to practice defending against bane drops, it's the only thing that kept screwing him up.
Did you miss the first half of the game? The colossus/void rays came after he got an enormous lead from his 6gate
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On April 16 2011 09:51 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol I guess he was afraid of spanish's lategame
hes afraid of minigun's late game
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Interesting play by Spanishiwa, and good play. But I feel like Mini could have won that series pretty handidly if he had prepared for this build. It just seemed to catch him off guard
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On April 16 2011 10:05 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 hugman wrote:On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol I guess he was afraid of spanish's lategame hes afraid of minigun's late game
From the grack himself.
Can someone provide a link to the VODs of the BO7? I missed it.
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On April 16 2011 10:05 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 hugman wrote:On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol I guess he was afraid of spanish's lategame hes afraid of minigun's late game
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Fantastic games by both players, really enjoyed that. Long games, short games, standard games, crazy games, was really entertaining to watch!
On April 16 2011 10:05 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 hugman wrote:On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol I guess he was afraid of spanish's lategame hes afraid of minigun's late game Would love to see you compete in future The V showmatches (as I'm sure a lot of other people are), even if you could probably make better money elsewhere.
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On April 16 2011 10:05 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 hugman wrote:On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol I guess he was afraid of spanish's lategame hes afraid of minigun's late game
I hate to be another in the long list of LOLOL IDRA YOU SURE TOLD HIM...actually not really but,
that was rough. lol.
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On April 16 2011 10:13 1Eris1 wrote:
Interesting play by Spanishiwa, and good play. But I feel like Mini could have won that series pretty handidly if he had prepared for this build. It just seemed to catch him off guard
I highly doubt Minigun was caught off guard by the build. He has known that he would be facing Spanishiwa, Spanishiwa's build is known about, his teammates have faces Spanishiwa multiple times too.
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On April 16 2011 10:28 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:13 1Eris1 wrote:
Interesting play by Spanishiwa, and good play. But I feel like Mini could have won that series pretty handidly if he had prepared for this build. It just seemed to catch him off guard I highly doubt Minigun was caught off guard by the build. He has known that he would be facing Spanishiwa, Spanishiwa's build is known about, his teammates have faces Spanishiwa multiple times too.
Not to mention he walked everyone through his style of play last night on the Day9 Daily. I would be surprised if Minigun didn't see it coming.
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More on-topic, the more I watch this build the more convinced I become that I was right: Zerg is just bonkers. It's the race with the most laborious tech tree and the best early map control via speedlings, so of course you should win by getting no gas for the first half an hour. Just put it on the shelf next to killing 200/200 thors with a-moved banelings.
Just waiting for the game where mass changelings win the day by making a terran think he's gone mass marines, and I can die happy.
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Fun series, really like the games
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The build is really nice =). It might or might not become staple but at least it is another variety in zerg's arsenal and its always good to keep the opponents guessing.
But more importantly regardless of the build, its the little things that Spanishiwa does that makes his play very fun and creative. Things like dropping changelings in the wall in to make sure no zealots can be warped in when doing a runby. Nydus timings / counters / drone transfers. Constant banelings and infestor drops.
Oh and of course the evo chamber block
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On April 16 2011 10:28 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:13 1Eris1 wrote:
Interesting play by Spanishiwa, and good play. But I feel like Mini could have won that series pretty handidly if he had prepared for this build. It just seemed to catch him off guard I highly doubt Minigun was caught off guard by the build. He has known that he would be facing Spanishiwa, Spanishiwa's build is known about, his teammates have faces Spanishiwa multiple times too.
You would think, but looking at how he played some of those games I disagree. He literally let Spanishiwa just attack into/nydus his base nearly every game.
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Gj Spanish you're showing everyone a new Zerg style. I feel like you've bridged the gap between how to get to aquandas sick late game comp and it's truly commendable. Congrats again.
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Fail spoiler on the first page lol =))
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On April 16 2011 10:39 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 16 2011 10:13 1Eris1 wrote:
Interesting play by Spanishiwa, and good play. But I feel like Mini could have won that series pretty handidly if he had prepared for this build. It just seemed to catch him off guard I highly doubt Minigun was caught off guard by the build. He has known that he would be facing Spanishiwa, Spanishiwa's build is known about, his teammates have faces Spanishiwa multiple times too. You would think, but looking at how he played some of those games I disagree. He literally let Spanishiwa just attack into/nydus his base nearly every game.
Give credit to Spanishiwa. Thats how is build works. Spanishiwa's build is strong, its time people start to realize this, even at the pro level. Morrow is using it now too. Does it have its flaws? Yes, but what build doesnt?
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On April 16 2011 10:13 1Eris1 wrote:
Interesting play by Spanishiwa, and good play. But I feel like Mini could have won that series pretty handidly if he had prepared for this build. It just seemed to catch him off guard
Right, Spanish's build was very vulnerable in early game, even blink stalkers and hallucination to get vision, then blink up in the base would destroy spanish's base and bunches of spine crawlers are useless.
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On April 16 2011 10:43 hitman133 wrote:
Fail spoiler on the first page lol =))
I accidentally the whole results!
Fixed, original post has Spoiler'd results now, VODs coming soon on YouTube. =)
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On April 16 2011 10:45 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:39 1Eris1 wrote:On April 16 2011 10:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 16 2011 10:13 1Eris1 wrote:
Interesting play by Spanishiwa, and good play. But I feel like Mini could have won that series pretty handidly if he had prepared for this build. It just seemed to catch him off guard I highly doubt Minigun was caught off guard by the build. He has known that he would be facing Spanishiwa, Spanishiwa's build is known about, his teammates have faces Spanishiwa multiple times too. You would think, but looking at how he played some of those games I disagree. He literally let Spanishiwa just attack into/nydus his base nearly every game. Give credit to Spanishiwa. Thats how is build works. Spanishiwa's build is strong, its time people start to realize this, even at the pro level. Morrow is using it now too. Does it have its flaws? Yes, but what build doesnt?
Oh I am. I like it. But I feel Minigun was just really unprepared, at least from watching him play. It just suprises me, because I assumed he would have prepared
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He did prepare, or he at the very least knew that's how spanishiwa plays. Thats why he tried fast DTs and a lot of early pressure. Pretty much during the daily he said it's susceptible to early pressure/cheese which minigun tried. Also the pylon block did really well to mess with spanishiwas order.
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On April 16 2011 10:49 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:45 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 16 2011 10:39 1Eris1 wrote:On April 16 2011 10:28 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 16 2011 10:13 1Eris1 wrote:
Interesting play by Spanishiwa, and good play. But I feel like Mini could have won that series pretty handidly if he had prepared for this build. It just seemed to catch him off guard I highly doubt Minigun was caught off guard by the build. He has known that he would be facing Spanishiwa, Spanishiwa's build is known about, his teammates have faces Spanishiwa multiple times too. You would think, but looking at how he played some of those games I disagree. He literally let Spanishiwa just attack into/nydus his base nearly every game. Give credit to Spanishiwa. Thats how is build works. Spanishiwa's build is strong, its time people start to realize this, even at the pro level. Morrow is using it now too. Does it have its flaws? Yes, but what build doesnt? Oh I am. I like it. But I feel Minigun was just really unprepared, at least from watching him play. It just suprises me, because I assumed he would have prepared
Honestly it seems that every protoss he beats with this build ends up looking the same way. Minigun is a great player and I expected him to win, I even said it on page 1. But Spanishiwa's build just looks stronger and stronger the more I see him play. I am incredibly impressed with it. He is approaching top 50 in GML now too.
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On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol
air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose
expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have
dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should
so that leaves you with
4 gate
4 gate
6 gate
and 4 gate
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On April 16 2011 11:02 Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should so that leaves you with 4 gate 4 gate 6 gate and 4 gate
Hey minigun you still did really well, almost a good comeback and the times you did punish the build were best. I wonder if blink stalker wouldve just worked in general.
You think nexus first would have worked?
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On April 16 2011 11:02 Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should so that leaves you with 4 gate 4 gate 6 gate and 4 gate
Hey Minigun,
Spanishiwa stated on Day9 daily that he had trouble against a forge fast expand. What are you thoughts about that? Do you think it could have worked?
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On April 16 2011 11:02 Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should so that leaves you with 4 gate 4 gate 6 gate and 4 gate
You did the right thing, don't worry about it, gg. Just read my previous post about blink stalkers. He never use roaches in early game, you can abuse it.
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Where can I find the VODs to these? Please upload them asap, barely missed this damn!
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Grats to Spanishiwa by the way.
Very refreshing style of play.
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It's not just refreshing in the entertainment sense, but it's how a Starcraft game is supposed to look like (even if it isn't as refined or with top tier execution). Something actually happens from the beginning to the end of it.
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Can't find the VODS, I guess I'm dumb but I googled and don't see anything :o
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On April 16 2011 11:34 MrCon wrote:
Can't find the VODS, I guess I'm dumb but I googled and don't see anything :o
Wait a bit.
It will be in Joshy's youtube after he uploads it! (Generaly pretty fast, but it is what, 1 hour after the games now)
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On April 16 2011 11:02 Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should so that leaves you with 4 gate 4 gate 6 gate and 4 gate
this post is fucking hilarious. good grief.
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On April 16 2011 11:34 MrCon wrote:
Can't find the VODS, I guess I'm dumb but I googled and don't see anything :o
All VODs for THE V are on our YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/complexityinsider
Enjoy!
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Except for this week, they're rendering. =P
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No one is going to beat cruncher's record.
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Minigun will take this easy.
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On April 16 2011 11:02 Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should so that leaves you with 4 gate 4 gate 6 gate and 4 gate
why not forge FE on maps that are good for it? with his build he can't put pressure don't think 4 gate/6 gate aren't the counter for the most part
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Spanishiwa will take it 4-2
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On April 16 2011 14:28 Nautis wrote:
Spanishiwa will take it 4-2
The event was over 4 hrs ago -_____-
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On April 16 2011 11:45 Jotoco wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 11:34 MrCon wrote:
Can't find the VODS, I guess I'm dumb but I googled and don't see anything :o Wait a bit. It will be in Joshy's youtube after he uploads it! (Generaly pretty fast, but it is what, 1 hour after the games now)
yeah, when I posted I didn't realized that the showmatch just ended :o Anyway, the vod was recorded in the jtv stream, so watching it right now in between MSL games \o/
I love starcraft saturday morning.
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Watching it now on JTV, I want to see if spanishiwa does his signature build every game and gets away with it!
I've been hearing a lot of players tell me it's not a viable strategy, I say it is.
Love the evo chamber trick at the top of the toss ramp! The amount of times I mess that up :|
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I guess Protoss is not OP.
Go Zerg, even though I'm a Terran player right now.
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On April 16 2011 18:30 thehitman wrote:
I guess Protoss is not OP.
Go Zerg, even though I'm a Terran player right now.
Yeah one showmatch where the protoss didn't even play well proves 100% that what you just said is true.
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On April 16 2011 11:02 Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should so that leaves you with 4 gate 4 gate 6 gate and 4 gate
problem with your logic is spanish holds 4 and 6gates on his stream all the time, with the same exact build.
spanish did not lose those 3 games because you made the right decisions. He lost them because he made mistakes he doesn't normally make. The series should've been a 4-0.
And sorry but I can't take any protoss seriously (or player for that matter) that claims the only way they can win is by all-inning every match.
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On April 16 2011 11:02 Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should so that leaves you with 4 gate 4 gate 6 gate and 4 gate
I didn't want to talk back because I respect your skill and assessment of the build, but what the hell :[
Not 1 of those 7 games did you attempt an economic opener. One of the major flaws of that build, as discussed by other pro Zerg's in his guide thread, is that it's incapable of applying any pressure until the midgame, leaving Protoss free to do whatever they want. You could have easily done a nexus first on a good number of those maps. I mean really, what's he gonna do, slow ling bust you?
Yea you will probably be behind if you 3 gate expand against this, but there is no need to. You could have been way greedier and still been extremely safe going into a macro game instead of thinking that aggression is your only option.
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Great series. Spanishiwa is really raking up the e-fame and honing his skills. The fact that he makes use of a lot of zerg mechanics that others overlook is great to see. I expect he will be a world class player very soon if he isn't already.
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root.spanishiwa incoming, the guy is building his reputation on owning root members ^^
hella entertaining matches
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On April 16 2011 19:27 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 11:02 Minigun wrote:On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should so that leaves you with 4 gate 4 gate 6 gate and 4 gate I didn't want to talk back because I respect your skill and assessment of the build, but what the hell :[ Not 1 of those 7 games did you attempt an economic opener. One of the major flaws of that build, as discussed by other pro Zerg's in his guide thread, is that it's incapable of applying any pressure until the midgame, leaving Protoss free to do whatever they want. You could have easily done a nexus first on a good number of those maps. I mean really, what's he gonna do, slow ling bust you? Yea you will probably be behind if you 3 gate expand against this, but there is no need to. You could have been way greedier and still been extremely safe going into a macro game instead of thinking that aggression is your only option.
I think a problem with a blind expand is that in the first game spanishiwa showed that he is capable of pulling of some cheese(even if it was a response to pylon block this time). So you can't assume he will hatch first every time.
Edit: I'm not saying he shouldn't have quick expanded some of the games though.
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On April 16 2011 10:05 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 hugman wrote:On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol I guess he was afraid of spanish's lategame hes afraid of minigun's late game
this doesn't make any sense
I don't know if you're saying minigun is afraid of his own lategame or not
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On April 16 2011 23:45 eot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 10:05 IdrA wrote:On April 16 2011 09:51 hugman wrote:On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol I guess he was afraid of spanish's lategame hes afraid of minigun's late game this doesn't make any sense I don't know if you're saying minigun is afraid of his own lategame or not
It makes perfect sense. He is saying that Minigun is afraid of his own lategame. And is probably right :o
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Ok, it was just the wording
Using "he is afraid of mingun's..." makes it sound like 2 different people
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woot team vile is awesome! vilespanishiwa, vilehashe, vileiechoic, vilepsystarcraft, vilehawk (30ish at MLG!), viledeathrow, vilestryker, and then flashback who already used up his name change -___-
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On April 16 2011 10:05 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 hugman wrote:On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol I guess he was afraid of spanish's lategame hes afraid of minigun's late game
LOL
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On April 16 2011 19:09 mufin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 11:02 Minigun wrote:On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should so that leaves you with 4 gate 4 gate 6 gate and 4 gate problem with your logic is spanish holds 4 and 6gates on his stream all the time, with the same exact build. spanish did not lose those 3 games because you made the right decisions. He lost them because he made mistakes he doesn't normally make. The series should've been a 4-0. And sorry but I can't take any protoss seriously (or player for that matter) that claims the only way they can win is by all-inning every match.
You can say that sentence whenever a zerg loses. Zerg has a fundamental the other two doesn't have. If ANY zerg loses, it's because he made a mistake, on drone/army, or a decision making error.
I've never played against this build before, I don't know what the best counters are, so I was just trying random builds.
I hate allining. I feel safest in macro games, but I wasn't sure on how to carry out the mid-late game, when he has such a economic lead mid-late game. One build I haven't really bothered to try is forge first on other maps from shakuras, and there's a rule. Don't use a build in a "turny" you haven't used in a ladder match.
If you 3 gate expand, you go into the mid game, knowing you are significantly behind. And the 3 gate expand is my go to build, so it the build threw me off my game a bit.
I'm sure there's a better counter to the plain 4 gate, or 6 gate. I just don't know what it is due to inexperience of playing against it.
air doesn't work, dts doesn't work, blink only works in the beginning and only on some maps. That alone narrows it down to 4 gate, 3 gate expand, or nexus first. And unfortunately, my 4 gates are probably not optimal because, I don't ever do them, because I don't like all ining.
I do think it's funny that the viewers of sc2 try and talk strategy. Why don't you jump in for a showmatch, .
He played, well, it's an interesting style, and I like it. Refreshing to see something new from zerg. Was well played by him.
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This was one awesome showmatch. Minigun gave a decent showing, but you have to hand it to Spanishiwa that he not only won, but made it it real fun to watch. =)
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*Hops on the Spanishiwa Band Wagon* Fighting!
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On April 16 2011 10:05 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 09:51 hugman wrote:On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol I guess he was afraid of spanish's lategame hes afraid of minigun's late game
Thats odd, cause minigun--and all root protoss members for that matter are scared of my early game. it consists of 8pool. I guess 4gating is their only chance.
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On April 17 2011 02:37 Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2011 19:09 mufin wrote:On April 16 2011 11:02 Minigun wrote:On April 16 2011 09:42 Tachion wrote:
4 gate, 6 gate, 4 gate, 4 gate
nice diversity there minigun lol air = not possible, he gets so many queens, would be auto lose expand and go into mid game = he is ahead because of his opening, he has 2x the amount of harvesters as you have dts = not really viable if he prepares, which he should so that leaves you with 4 gate 4 gate 6 gate and 4 gate problem with your logic is spanish holds 4 and 6gates on his stream all the time, with the same exact build. spanish did not lose those 3 games because you made the right decisions. He lost them because he made mistakes he doesn't normally make. The series should've been a 4-0. And sorry but I can't take any protoss seriously (or player for that matter) that claims the only way they can win is by all-inning every match. You can say that sentence whenever a zerg loses. Zerg has a fundamental the other two doesn't have. If ANY zerg loses, it's because he made a mistake, on drone/army, or a decision making error. I've never played against this build before, I don't know what the best counters are, so I was just trying random builds. I hate allining. I feel safest in macro games, but I wasn't sure on how to carry out the mid-late game, when he has such a economic lead mid-late game. One build I haven't really bothered to try is forge first on other maps from shakuras, and there's a rule. Don't use a build in a "turny" you haven't used in a ladder match. If you 3 gate expand, you go into the mid game, knowing you are significantly behind. And the 3 gate expand is my go to build, so it the build threw me off my game a bit. I'm sure there's a better counter to the plain 4 gate, or 6 gate. I just don't know what it is due to inexperience of playing against it. air doesn't work, dts doesn't work, blink only works in the beginning and only on some maps. That alone narrows it down to 4 gate, 3 gate expand, or nexus first. And unfortunately, my 4 gates are probably not optimal because, I don't ever do them, because I don't like all ining. I do think it's funny that the viewers of sc2 try and talk strategy. Why don't you jump in for a showmatch, . He played, well, it's an interesting style, and I like it. Refreshing to see something new from zerg. Was well played by him. Exactly my thoughts! It's really interesting to see the players adapting to each other, the metagame between you two evolving live in such a series. Instead of the Zerg having to try things out to get to the Protoss, Spanishiwa opens so super-solid it forces your hand, trying out new approaches and builds you might not be super-comfortable with.
I'm amped to see what you and other top tier Protoss are going to come up with to shut that specific opener and its variants down. :D
You two definitely put up a great series, and that's what these showmatches are all about! Thanks for that.
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Wow that was such a fun episode of The V. Spanishiwa is so entertaining to watch, but I do wonder if it's just a matter of time until his style gets cracked... it'd be interesting to hear what some other top level zergs have to say. Is "Ice Fishing" the next big thing? I'm not sure how technically solid Spanishiwa is, but could this build be even stronger?
Either way, very neat to see such a radically different build order come out, and this next episode of The V will be a great litmus test for this BO and for Spanishiwa himself
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all protoss need to do against this is play a macro game and not try to force an all-in. build an expansion early if you see no gas because it's not like he's going to kill you with mass non-speed zerglings. as a protoss player, you should almost prefer playing against this style if you recognize it because you know you can safely expand and even take an earlier 3rd which allows you to get your expensize units up. all you really need is to scout for the unit composition they choose to go after taking all of their gas at the same time
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