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kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 18:08:48
May 17 2011 18:07 GMT
#461
On May 18 2011 02:56 SuperStyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 02:54 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:53 SuperStyle wrote:
Rofl in the end Tod got to 180 and lost his protoss deathball with 18 voidrays to 10 broods and 6 infestors.... funny.



Which is why you don't go VR/Colossi anymore, I thought everyone knew this. Infestors rape it. Archon/templar is the new way to go


Because archons with 3 range counter flying broodlords with what, 9.5 range ?


No, cuz Archons totally RAPE infestor+Speedling+Banelings (can't get pinned down by fungal, deal heavy DMG to Lings, soak up tons of Baneling- and Infestor-DMG, cuz they don't take any additional DMG from anything in the Zerg army). And the whole rest of the same Techtree (Blinkstalkers and HT's) rape everything else the Zerg got.

Also continuing to make Collossi VS this is pretty stupid, cuz Bling-Drops rape the whole army and the left over Collossi get cleaned up by the rest of the Zerg.

Blinkstalkers+Archons+HT's is definitely the best solution to what Stephano has been making all game long, yet ToD went for probably one of the worst compositions, making me question his understanding of PvZ.
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SuperStyle
Profile Joined March 2011
United States976 Posts
May 17 2011 18:16 GMT
#462
On May 18 2011 03:07 kickinhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 02:56 SuperStyle wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:54 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:53 SuperStyle wrote:
Rofl in the end Tod got to 180 and lost his protoss deathball with 18 voidrays to 10 broods and 6 infestors.... funny.



Which is why you don't go VR/Colossi anymore, I thought everyone knew this. Infestors rape it. Archon/templar is the new way to go


Because archons with 3 range counter flying broodlords with what, 9.5 range ?


No, cuz Archons totally RAPE infestor+Speedling+Banelings (can't get pinned down by fungal, deal heavy DMG to Lings, soak up tons of Baneling- and Infestor-DMG, cuz they don't take any additional DMG from anything in the Zerg army). And the whole rest of the same Techtree (Blinkstalkers and HT's) rape everything else the Zerg got.

Also continuing to make Collossi VS this is pretty stupid, cuz Bling-Drops rape the whole army and the left over Collossi get cleaned up by the rest of the Zerg.

Blinkstalkers+Archons+HT's is definitely the best solution to what Stephano has been making all game long, yet ToD went for probably one of the worst compositions, making me question his understanding of PvZ.


His PvZ is certainly better than urs, so u shouldnt question his but urs in fact.
In whole that post of urs u didnt explain how archons beat broodlords which was the point of my previous post.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
May 17 2011 18:20 GMT
#463
On May 18 2011 03:16 SuperStyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 03:07 kickinhead wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:56 SuperStyle wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:54 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:53 SuperStyle wrote:
Rofl in the end Tod got to 180 and lost his protoss deathball with 18 voidrays to 10 broods and 6 infestors.... funny.



Which is why you don't go VR/Colossi anymore, I thought everyone knew this. Infestors rape it. Archon/templar is the new way to go


Because archons with 3 range counter flying broodlords with what, 9.5 range ?


No, cuz Archons totally RAPE infestor+Speedling+Banelings (can't get pinned down by fungal, deal heavy DMG to Lings, soak up tons of Baneling- and Infestor-DMG, cuz they don't take any additional DMG from anything in the Zerg army). And the whole rest of the same Techtree (Blinkstalkers and HT's) rape everything else the Zerg got.

Also continuing to make Collossi VS this is pretty stupid, cuz Bling-Drops rape the whole army and the left over Collossi get cleaned up by the rest of the Zerg.

Blinkstalkers+Archons+HT's is definitely the best solution to what Stephano has been making all game long, yet ToD went for probably one of the worst compositions, making me question his understanding of PvZ.


His PvZ is certainly better than urs, so u shouldnt question his but urs in fact.
In whole that post of urs u didnt explain how archons beat broodlords which was the point of my previous post.

Yeah archons are good but its not like them missing was the problem here.
Tods build was ok, all he needed was to research blink at some point, or add HT later on against mass infestor.
Off-season = best season
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
May 17 2011 18:21 GMT
#464
On May 18 2011 03:16 SuperStyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 03:07 kickinhead wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:56 SuperStyle wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:54 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:53 SuperStyle wrote:
Rofl in the end Tod got to 180 and lost his protoss deathball with 18 voidrays to 10 broods and 6 infestors.... funny.



Which is why you don't go VR/Colossi anymore, I thought everyone knew this. Infestors rape it. Archon/templar is the new way to go


Because archons with 3 range counter flying broodlords with what, 9.5 range ?


No, cuz Archons totally RAPE infestor+Speedling+Banelings (can't get pinned down by fungal, deal heavy DMG to Lings, soak up tons of Baneling- and Infestor-DMG, cuz they don't take any additional DMG from anything in the Zerg army). And the whole rest of the same Techtree (Blinkstalkers and HT's) rape everything else the Zerg got.

Also continuing to make Collossi VS this is pretty stupid, cuz Bling-Drops rape the whole army and the left over Collossi get cleaned up by the rest of the Zerg.

Blinkstalkers+Archons+HT's is definitely the best solution to what Stephano has been making all game long, yet ToD went for probably one of the worst compositions, making me question his understanding of PvZ.


His PvZ is certainly better than urs, so u shouldnt question his but urs in fact.
In whole that post of urs u didnt explain how archons beat broodlords which was the point of my previous post.


No1 except of u has ever said anything about Archons beating Broodlords...

Ht's and Blinkstalkers beat them and they are both on the same Techtree as the Archons, which are also good against everything Stephano made leading up to his Broodlord/Infestor-Mix.

Yes, in SC2, you actually have to think about whole BO's and not only final Unit-Compositions, so pretty much from the point where ToD massed Collossi and Gateway-Units for several minutes against an Army that does very well against exactly this Unit-Composition, I was thinking to myself: "WTf is he doing? - Get Archons, get HT's, get Blink." Basically every decent Master-League-player should know this.
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SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
May 17 2011 18:29 GMT
#465
On May 18 2011 03:07 kickinhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 02:56 SuperStyle wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:54 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:53 SuperStyle wrote:
Rofl in the end Tod got to 180 and lost his protoss deathball with 18 voidrays to 10 broods and 6 infestors.... funny.



Which is why you don't go VR/Colossi anymore, I thought everyone knew this. Infestors rape it. Archon/templar is the new way to go


Because archons with 3 range counter flying broodlords with what, 9.5 range ?


No, cuz Archons totally RAPE infestor+Speedling+Banelings (can't get pinned down by fungal, deal heavy DMG to Lings, soak up tons of Baneling- and Infestor-DMG, cuz they don't take any additional DMG from anything in the Zerg army). And the whole rest of the same Techtree (Blinkstalkers and HT's) rape everything else the Zerg got.



You sound like you have seen it a million times, but Archons don't get pinned down by fungal (they became massive, but massive does not protect against fungal growth, only the Ultralisk's special ability does... or do I miss something here). I agree that HTs + Archons would be good in such situations but that would be even more gas-heavy than the standard deathball and it is less reliable killing tons of lings all over the place. Did ToD have at one time have the gas to make such a tech switch?
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
May 17 2011 18:36 GMT
#466
On May 18 2011 03:29 SinCitta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 03:07 kickinhead wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:56 SuperStyle wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:54 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:53 SuperStyle wrote:
Rofl in the end Tod got to 180 and lost his protoss deathball with 18 voidrays to 10 broods and 6 infestors.... funny.



Which is why you don't go VR/Colossi anymore, I thought everyone knew this. Infestors rape it. Archon/templar is the new way to go


Because archons with 3 range counter flying broodlords with what, 9.5 range ?


No, cuz Archons totally RAPE infestor+Speedling+Banelings (can't get pinned down by fungal, deal heavy DMG to Lings, soak up tons of Baneling- and Infestor-DMG, cuz they don't take any additional DMG from anything in the Zerg army). And the whole rest of the same Techtree (Blinkstalkers and HT's) rape everything else the Zerg got.



You sound like you have seen it a million times, but Archons don't get pinned down by fungal (they became massive, but massive does not protect against fungal growth, only the Ultralisk's special ability does... or do I miss something here). I agree that HTs + Archons would be good in such situations but that would be even more gas-heavy than the standard deathball and it is less reliable killing tons of lings all over the place. Did ToD have at one time have the gas to make such a tech switch?


Well, if he had the gas for several Collossi, 2 Starports and 10+ VR's, he coudl've definitely afford a Templar-Archive, Storm-Upgrade, Blink Upgrade and a few HT's....

Besides, he already had the Citadel...

I'm actually not sure about the Archons - I've been only playing like 20+ PvZ/ZVP's respectively on the new patch, so if I'm wrong - my apoligies. ^^'
https://soundcloud.com/thesamplethief
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
May 17 2011 18:39 GMT
#467
Unwatchable from Netherlands.. Black screen, lag, D/C's.. i gave up. Too bad considering the players who appear in this tournament from time to time..
월요 날 재미있
BaLoO-
Profile Joined January 2011
France318 Posts
May 17 2011 18:42 GMT
#468
On May 18 2011 03:39 Loxley wrote:
Unwatchable from Netherlands.. Black screen, lag, D/C's.. i gave up. Too bad considering the players who appear in this tournament from time to time..


Don't worry for tonight, you don't miss anything, inuh is really awful, Cloud vs inuh on metalo is probably one of the worst game i've seen played by "pro" players, actually no, not one of the worst, definitely the worst, and way ahead of any concurrence ... my god.
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 18:45:22
May 17 2011 18:44 GMT
#469
On May 18 2011 03:36 kickinhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 03:29 SinCitta wrote:
On May 18 2011 03:07 kickinhead wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:56 SuperStyle wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:54 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 18 2011 02:53 SuperStyle wrote:
Rofl in the end Tod got to 180 and lost his protoss deathball with 18 voidrays to 10 broods and 6 infestors.... funny.



Which is why you don't go VR/Colossi anymore, I thought everyone knew this. Infestors rape it. Archon/templar is the new way to go


Because archons with 3 range counter flying broodlords with what, 9.5 range ?


No, cuz Archons totally RAPE infestor+Speedling+Banelings (can't get pinned down by fungal, deal heavy DMG to Lings, soak up tons of Baneling- and Infestor-DMG, cuz they don't take any additional DMG from anything in the Zerg army). And the whole rest of the same Techtree (Blinkstalkers and HT's) rape everything else the Zerg got.



You sound like you have seen it a million times, but Archons don't get pinned down by fungal (they became massive, but massive does not protect against fungal growth, only the Ultralisk's special ability does... or do I miss something here). I agree that HTs + Archons would be good in such situations but that would be even more gas-heavy than the standard deathball and it is less reliable killing tons of lings all over the place. Did ToD have at one time have the gas to make such a tech switch?


Well, if he had the gas for several Collossi, 2 Starports and 10+ VR's, he coudl've definitely afford a Templar-Archive, Storm-Upgrade, Blink Upgrade and a few HT's....

Besides, he already had the Citadel...

I'm actually not sure about the Archons - I've been only playing like 20+ PvZ/ZVP's respectively on the new patch, so if I'm wrong - my apoligies. ^^'



Well when he made two stargates, Stephano ceased baneling drops. Before that he made Colossi to defend and as far as I remember couldn't afford to tech switch to HTs. I also don't understand why he didn't invest a little bit into blink rather than his insane amount of Void Rays. Would have loved to see a handful of HTs then to feedback infestor and queens. I think he preferred Void Rays because he wanted to have the gold and thus mass blink stalker could be dangerous because of the hole in the middle of the map so he might not blink under the brood lords. But well, going Void Rays was his downfall in the game...
GameCreds
Profile Joined January 2011
France1079 Posts
May 17 2011 18:46 GMT
#470
Cloud vs Inuh - AWESOME SET OF GAMES!!!

EN Stream by VampireLady --> http://www.gamecreds.com/webtv/gcteveu-5
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BaLoO-
Profile Joined January 2011
France318 Posts
May 17 2011 19:13 GMT
#471
Pfff, 5 different streams, 2 different matches going on the same time, but only of them on air (including 4 french streams ...). T_T
ArnaudF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France993 Posts
May 17 2011 19:23 GMT
#472
Stephano toying with cloud as always.
My heart aches with pain, When I see you I vomit, Die away from me
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
May 17 2011 19:24 GMT
#473
Cloud first person view at
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TaKeSeN
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-17 19:33:01
May 17 2011 19:32 GMT
#474
Looking at the results and pretty much every group has some huge names eliminated, and some relative unknowns advancing.

Seems like the formerly "2nd tier" EU players are really starting to shine!
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
May 17 2011 19:36 GMT
#475
What are the results so far please?
ArnaudF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France993 Posts
May 17 2011 19:39 GMT
#476
ClouD just can't win against Stephano.
My heart aches with pain, When I see you I vomit, Die away from me
GameCreds
Profile Joined January 2011
France1079 Posts
May 17 2011 19:59 GMT
#477
LiquidTLO vs aTn.Socke LIVE NOW

http://www.gamecreds.com/webtv/gcteveu-5
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Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
May 17 2011 20:03 GMT
#478
again the stream is fucked up for me...
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
May 17 2011 20:50 GMT
#479
If only I could watch Cloud vs ToD now. I'm very interested in those two playing... Really sad that Dailymotion stream sucks and lags.
Member of TPW mapmaking team/// twitter.com/Ragoo_ /// "goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural" Cloud
[M]Serra
Profile Joined July 2010
France41 Posts
May 17 2011 20:56 GMT
#480
Updated group A tiebreak result, and group H result.
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