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On April 13 2011 02:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:40 ImHuko wrote:On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr. Only the protoss are arguing against it, he isn't a martyr, he literally can not win. Like I said before, MC said he will never lose to a zerg, unless they nerf. When the best protoss player literally says I like the nerfs because I want to win fairly, you have to believe it. if you cant see how idra could have won game 1, you are lost
The point is, IdrA made almost the entire mid game, attacking at the right time with superior force, high supply advantage. He was also the one taking the risk in early game taking a fast third, droning constantly and taking the damage against that air harassment.
It's good to point out the weakness of IdrA's play, to point out what he could have done better, but come on, you know he was way better than MC in this game.
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are there already some VODs up?
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On April 13 2011 02:51 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:47 Senx wrote:
Im kind of curious as to what the EG managment thinks of one of their player purposely throwing a game away because he's "fed up" with the game balance.
I'm kind of worried about Idras status in EG or as a pro player in general to be honest, I would not be surprised if he just takes a extended break from the game really soon.
Yeah seriously.. I mean if you want to be pro gamer then do your best to win. If you don't like game balance then either deal with it or change race or don't play the game! But travelling to tournament and throwing away game is not how pro gamer should do
yeah, but Idra has been doing this in the past as well. A close game 1, he lost, then he just gave up and do some sort of terrible terrible cheese, failed and quit.
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On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh
IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...
IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"
MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...
The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus
Well said man. I was so looking forward to 2 more games too and he just gave up 
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Idra could have won the game 1, but he was dead by the time broodlords were out. He had too many hydras against a protoss army with storm/colossi, even with perfect engagement
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On April 13 2011 02:51 loveeholicce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:47 potatomash3r wrote:On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh
IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...
IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"
MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...
The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus I think its been proven enough times that Idra doesn't try. Yea he was only the best zerg at MLG by random chance. He also only beat TLO by random chance.
That is not a response to his point though.
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I like White-Ra a lot more than I like Sjow, but I fucking hate PvP so I hope Sjow takes it anyway. 
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On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh
IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...
IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"
MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...
The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus
Quote for fucking truth. I'm a huge fan of IdrA, but I know I'm not nearly as frustrated as his friend/teammate. That last paragraph describes exactly how I feel though.
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i think like a team EG must prepare each player.
hearing incontrol looks like or Idra always plays individual or EG dont prepare his player
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On April 13 2011 02:42 Scarmony wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:41 jaiiiii wrote:On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr. qft. wish i could qft this a million times. and then a million more times. ill do it once for you. thanks tyler. its so true.
Keep the truth flowing. Balance had 0% to do with the outcome of MC vs IdrA game one.
What do you expect to do when your broodlords are completely isolated from your army by a ball of stalkers? How is it the games fault that he moved those over to empty air space away from his army?
How is it "outplaying" your opponent is you are ahead in food? Where does this retarded idea come from? In starcraft 1 is was common for food differences between races since different races have different unit mixes with different supply costs. and the same is true for this game.
It is rather sickening seeing MC play such a good game, so carefully and precisely, from early game all the way to the end, and have it get nothing but "OP OP OP OP BULLSHIT IDRA IS THE BEST HE CANT MESS UP EVER!!!!!!!!!"
People need to seriously just stop for a while.
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Whatever people might feel about racial imbalance it doesn't excuse a professional entertainer throwing his toys out of his pram at a paid event. If you went to a tennis match where someone was playing the world champion and he threw the last set you would ask for your money back and you'd be right to do so.
Idra makes every other professional player look bad by not playing to his full ability.
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EG needs to get a sports psychiatrist or something because idra is the only professional level competitor I can think of that tilts and shuts down so easily. Its pretty depressing to be a fan of his and see him just throw in the towel and cry balance. Maybe if he took playing Z as a chip on his shoulder and used it as motivation instead of just shutting down or getting depressed about it he would be as dominant as he is capable of being.
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On April 13 2011 02:52 Lipski wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers just to be exact, idra had patrolling zerglings at mc's 4th and 5th, and saw gold going down because he held lower xel'naga tower, and he did corrupt with corruptors after killing collosi. that last fight was just bad, he really did need to wait for those infestors, and keep his bl's safe...
Incontrol is a troll that doesn't actually know what he's talking about, I don't think he actually watched game 1, an is instead just jumping on the "OMG HE LOST HIS BROODLORDS AND GAVE UP" bandwagon.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On April 13 2011 02:51 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:50 Rayansaki wrote:On April 13 2011 02:45 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 13 2011 02:43 oo inflame oo wrote:On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr. what else is he supposed to do? his job Looking forward to see what you have to say about MC after this tournament Last time you kept mentioning all the weaknesses of his style, and now he shows he has no weaknesses! If anything, game1 showed that he has weaknesses. Idra just didnot exploit them at all.
Seriously. People see what they want to see. Idra played far from perfect. He sat content when aggression would have won him the game.
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On April 13 2011 02:51 loveeholicce wrote:
Yea he was only the best zerg at MLG by random chance. He also only beat TLO by random chance.
I'm sorry, are we talking about the guy that quit over some hallucinations a few days ago?
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WEll, Idra would've won that game easily if he would have instead of sending the broods by themselves instead of keeping them closer to the army there so they can support when the stalkers blink, or nydus or anything. At least feelt like it watching the fight really.
Instead they were exposed as hell when he finally blinked in and the hydras was caught by storms.
To bad seeing him lose though, would've wanted Idra to take MC down : (
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On April 13 2011 02:52 FinBenton wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:49 [SuNdae] wrote:
Idra definately had a chance of taking that series, but he's so convinced he cant beat protoss he has defeated himself before the game even begins. So true, IdrA didnt lose to MC.. He lost to himself.
QFT
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On April 13 2011 02:47 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 02:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 13 2011 02:40 ImHuko wrote:On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr. Only the protoss are arguing against it, he isn't a martyr, he literally can not win. Like I said before, MC said he will never lose to a zerg, unless they nerf. When the best protoss player literally says I like the nerfs because I want to win fairly, you have to believe it. if you cant see how idra could have won game 1, you are lost You analysis a game with complete map vision and knowing the outcome, and you usually analyize from the loser perspective to see what he could have done. MC made tons of mistakes (which you can't punish protoss for if they have sentries) The way MC put up his defense, you can not crack it. Blink/Collosus can defend any drops, and sentries can COMPLETELY STOP any attacks with the chokes at watchtowers I know you dislike MC playstyle etc etc, but when the BEST protoss says its impossible to lose to Zerg, it is a bit silly when another protoss comes out and says silly things.
Agree with Huko, MC is like the Master player posting on TL forums and Tylers is like the Bronze player shuting him down now.
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will there be a white ra game soon?
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How did Idra throw away game 2? Did he just quit when his 6 pool got scouted or something? My internet went down before it started ;/.
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