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PearlsBeforeSwine
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada91 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6621
On April 13 2011 02:50 Steamroller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:45 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:43 oo inflame oo wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.


what else is he supposed to do?

his job


Funny, anyone else giving this kind of answers would get banned.


Why be sour? He's making a good point, and obviously users who have a higher per centage of useful input are allowed more posts that "would get someone else banned"
Woop.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6622
On April 13 2011 02:50 Rayansaki wrote:
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On April 13 2011 02:45 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:43 oo inflame oo wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.


what else is he supposed to do?

his job


Looking forward to see what you have to say about MC after this tournament Last time you kept mentioning all the weaknesses of his style, and now he shows he has no weaknesses!

If anything, game1 showed that he has weaknesses. Idra just didnot exploit them at all.
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EriktheGuy
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada132 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6623
When I can't find schedule info on the official tournament website, I come to TL. Always delivers, thanks!
In mathematics you don't understand things, you just get used to them. -Neumann
Nadrav
Profile Joined April 2010
United States86 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6624
we need some zerg pro player opinions in this thread. Where is Ret?
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42400 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6625
On April 13 2011 02:50 Senx wrote:
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On April 13 2011 02:48 GenoZStriker wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:47 Senx wrote:
Im kind of curious as to what the EG managment thinks of one of their player purposely throwing a game away because he's "fed up" with the game balance.

I'm kind of worried about Idras status in EG or as a pro player in general to be honest, I would not be surprised if he just takes a extended break from the game really soon.


You've got nothing to worry about.


So you guys don't care about it then I guess? The players dont have a responsability in representing the organisation in a decent way?


To your comment about Idra taking a break, not going to happen.

He'll either switch to protoss or keep waiting for "balance patch"
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6626
On April 13 2011 02:49 FliedLice wrote:
how did morrow win a game against MC if ZvP is impossible?

serious question, didn't see the game.


MorroW defended a push from MC and counter attacked only a few minutes earlier.

He did not let a Protoss get too much defense before going for the win. Idra just stood around and seemed scared to death to even attack.
★ Top Gun ★
frucisky
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2170 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6627
On April 13 2011 02:48 SolHeiM wrote:
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On April 13 2011 02:47 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
uhhhhhhhhhhh

IdrA throws away 3-4 queens a few ovies and some drones vs a phoenix opening... has MC on the ropes but then stops attacking...

IdrA gets 7 bl's and sticks his army in a choke spot and dies easily "PVZ IMBALANCED!"

MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers...

The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus


Maybe you should actually play a game from a zergs perspective. I'm getting so tired of protoss players, pros or not, throwing their opinion around when they have never actually expierenced it


Ironically that iNcontroL's offrace Zerg is better than most high Masters. Please, do some research before you bash a player.


I wonder why he doesn't play Zerg in tournaments then.
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p1mp
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway9 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6628
On April 13 2011 02:45 Euronyme wrote:
haha the naniwa interview is awesome.
'Why dya think there are so many good players in various games in sweden? it is because it's cold and we sit at home during the winter, playing games?"
"well, if that was the case norway would've been good to, but they're not. so.."
lol.


Thats cuz we're to busy having sex with teh ladiezz
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6629
The worst part about the first match was that the so called "comeback" wasn't even interesting. Take Boxer's comebacks, where you get all teary eyed watching him seeing to first glimpse of hope when his main is in shreds, and then with insane micro and wit inches back into the game with moves you wouldn't be able to imagine (the Goliath island drops vs Joyo's Carrier anyone?).

Watching this game however, I could do nothing but yawn, and at the end blinking all your stalkers to kill the lords and psi-storming hydras even I could pull off. Funnily enough the commentators thought Broodlords was Idra's saviors, but I don't think I have seen one match where Broodlords do anything but kill the Zerg vs blink Stalkers. I don't understand why Idra never GG'd when MC got up his third.

I don't care about balance, just give me 3 races that are interesting to spectate, not just 2, since the risk of one player being P is too high.
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
Avalain
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada308 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6630
On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
The thing that pisses me off the most though is that OK so you make a mistake at the end and it costs you the game.. why give up on game 2? You had him on the ropes like 3 separate times EVEN IF you want to argue "I can't win!" you at least came REALLY REALLY close vs the best fucking protoss on the planet... what more do you want? Give game 2 a try jesus


Yeah, I agree completely. I've been a fan of Idra's for a while, but I'm getting tired of how easily he gives up. Something to talk to him about, perhaps?
You know what unit really has balance problems? Colossi. Why, they look like they could be blown over in a stiff wind!
Gaijin
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa26 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6631
On April 13 2011 02:40 darksage78 wrote:
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On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.

He should have tried though. MC is human, he can be beaten. White-Ra showed that in the team matches. I'm pretty sure if you went up against MC you'd try your best too. I think Idra should've given it his all just like in game 1. He did a great job coming back from that early game harass, if he'd pushed earlier with his army I'm pretty sure he could've taken game 1.


I have to agree with you on the whole if you went up against MC you'd try your best too. I know I would. 90% of my mind would already have "I've lost" burned into it, but can you imagine if you played the most flawless game just for that one game against MC and manage to beat him, the feelings you would feel would be undescribable. I guess it all comes down to the mindset in the end, and it's been made very clear on a lot of the previous occasions we have seen IdrA play that he just doesn't have it yet.

I hope for his sake, one day he will grow out of it and mature as a player. He is destined for so much more but there's no one holding him back except himself.
Sobba
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden576 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6632
On April 13 2011 02:50 Steamroller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 02:45 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:43 oo inflame oo wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.


what else is he supposed to do?

his job


Funny, anyone else giving this kind of answers would get banned.


Why would he get banned from his own site? lol
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
April 12 2011 17:51 GMT
#6633
In game 1 Idra made one mistake of not guarding his broodlords and then he instantly lost the game. I don't think MC lost even 20 supply. But well even without that mistake you lose when toss gets colossi and storms
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 17:52:41
April 12 2011 17:52 GMT
#6634
--- Nuked ---
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 17:53:08
April 12 2011 17:52 GMT
#6635
How do you "throw away" queens when they are literally lifted up when they spawn? Come on protoss players, you just look silly. We can all agree that Idra made 1 huge mistake at the end that lost the game, but I think the problem some people have, you can't punish a protoss for making the same mistake. Idra stayed ahead of MC the entire game until HT came out... How is Idra supposed to win on Meta with the small chokes(Forcefield) and blink (for maybe drops)? You can't break a protoss with a 3 forcefield wide choke and collosus.

I am sorry but terran/zerg both complaining about protoss, and protoss complain about... people complaining? It is common to complain about imbalance, but when one particular race only complains about complainers, you know somethings a bit offbalance.
halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
April 12 2011 17:52 GMT
#6636
On April 13 2011 02:49 FliedLice wrote:
how did morrow win a game against MC if ZvP is impossible?

serious question, didn't see the game.


MC did a 3gate blink all in that MorroW defended very well.

He did say though in his interview(look up YoanM's post in this thread for a proper translation), that he just played around in game 2 because he was confident he would win game 1 and 3. (The last map being old shakuras)
Lipski
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 17:53:42
April 12 2011 17:52 GMT
#6637
On April 13 2011 02:44 iNcontroL wrote:
MC had 0 defenses at both his 3rd/4th. IdrA took a late 4th / never corrupted after killing the Collo in the first fight and didn't scout expansions. Late on infesters as well. Had he waited for infesters and massed some bl's while harrassing the expos with lings or something he'd be fine and that is ONLY after him NOT throwing 4 base of production into 2 collo (idra had corruptors out) and 5 stalkers


just to be exact, idra had patrolling zerglings at mc's 4th and 5th, and saw gold going down because he held lower xel'naga tower, and he did corrupt with corruptors after killing collosi. + MC had cannons and wall of gateways at his 3rd, it's not like he had no defenses. that last fight was just bad, he really did need to wait for those infestors, and keep his bl's safe...
"i'll just train hard and win the next one"
najreteip
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium4158 Posts
April 12 2011 17:52 GMT
#6638
On April 13 2011 02:50 Hypatio wrote:
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On April 13 2011 02:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:40 ImHuko wrote:
On April 13 2011 02:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
don't let idra be a fucking martyr. this is ridiculous. he gave up. i've done it. he's done it before. many other people have done it. he just gave up before it was over. he didn't prove any point. don't let him be a fucking zvp martyr.

Only the protoss are arguing against it, he isn't a martyr, he literally can not win. Like I said before, MC said he will never lose to a zerg, unless they nerf. When the best protoss player literally says I like the nerfs because I want to win fairly, you have to believe it.

if you cant see how idra could have won game 1, you are lost

There probably wasn't a point in the game where IdrA could have turned the tide unless he went mass roach instead of hydra. Hydra+blord is just too slow to effectively combat blink stalkers+HT off creep and MC didn't make the huge mistake of going far onto IdrA's creep. The only thing that would have significantly changed the late game of that match was pooling resources/larva for a rapid post-battle reinforcement or many more blords, but none of that is certain given MC's excellent decision making.

Obviously his failed 6 pool was giving the series to MC.

I think he could've killed mc's third
I have no quote!
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
April 12 2011 17:52 GMT
#6639
On April 13 2011 02:47 Senx wrote:
Im kind of curious as to what the EG managment thinks of one of their player purposely throwing a game away because he's "fed up" with the game balance.

I'm kind of worried about Idras status in EG or as a pro player in general to be honest, I would not be surprised if he just takes a extended break from the game really soon.



Idra is still miles ahead of the other EG players. No disrespect towards IC who took 4th in MLG Dallas, but that was kind of an upset. What good would it have been if he had won it? Old shakuras is for PvZ what steppes of war was for TvZ.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
April 12 2011 17:52 GMT
#6640
On April 13 2011 02:49 [SuNdae] wrote:
Idra definately had a chance of taking that series, but he's so convinced he cant beat protoss he has defeated himself before the game even begins.

So true, IdrA didnt lose to MC.. He lost to himself.
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