On April 04 2011 17:21 Vorenius wrote: How on earth can people consider this BM from Idra?!
If anything HuK should have been given an official warning or possible been DQ'd. Talking in-game is against MLG rules for this exact reason. Now I can understand they don't go after everyone saying some random thing but this was specifically meant to provoke Idra and influence the game.
This just confirms the image I had of HuK as a douche.
What I loved was Idra's comment in the interview after his 3-0 victory in the rematch. "And I knew Huk can't beat me in a real game"... made me laugh, considering the way he lost earlier.
... and I don't understand why everybody considers it "ragequitting" when you just surrender without typing out gg ... to me, ragequitting is when you start typing shit complaining, calling people names etc, before quitting.
It's considered rage quitting because it is expected that you "gg" after a loss. Even if the player isn't raging, it is good sportsmanship.
On April 04 2011 10:23 ChroMe! wrote: The best replay is the third one when IdrA tells HuK to eff off.
Agreed. That was epic. In game chat went like this broadcasted globally:
Huk - "Hey Idra, just so you know last game you could have won"
IDRA - "F*^%K-OFF"
Huk - "Just so you know half my army was hallucinations"
It was just plain epic
How on earth can people consider this BM from Idra?!
If anything HuK should have been given an official warning or possible been DQ'd. Talking in-game is against MLG rules for this exact reason. Now I can understand they don't go after everyone saying some random thing but this was specifically meant to provoke Idra and influence the game.
This just confirms the image I had of HuK as a douche.
WHy should that not be allowed? What real sport does not allow chirping?
If you wanna be taken as a real sport. allow chirping. If you can throw someone off their game because of what you say.. then there not mentaly strong.
You clearly know nothing about sports. For example, take hockey, a sport that is watched by millions and the players are also paid millions. It says EXPLICITLY in the hockey rulebook that players who engage in intentional aggravation or derogatory remarks shall be penalized. I know, since I've been refereeing the highest levels of minor hockey for almost 5 years now.
The reason it happens non-stop and the reason you don't see it called every 10 seconds is because most of it happens when the referees are either not listening or are otherwise occupied with, y'know, calling the actual game.
Back to Starcraft. If there was no rule against in-game chat, I guarantee that every single player would be chirping Idra in series' like the one we saw. He's known to be mentally fragile when it comes to dealing with losses, especially to early rushes and allins. I doubt anyone would do it to Jinro since he isn't known for that sort of thing, and BM'ing him would literally get you nowhere... But against Idra, when it can gain you an actual advantage, I guarantee it would be done regularly.
Again, in sports.... Look at this video and pay attention to the player in the blue jersey standing right in front of the white goaltender, waving his stick in the air, attempting to distract the goaltender. That specific goalie, Martin Brodeur, had spoken out in the media against the NHL's tolerance of players who contact the goalies while attempting to stand in front of them. There's no rule against standing in front of the net and attempting to screen the goalie from seeing the puck, but if you contact the goalie, the rules say that you are to be penalized. So that blue player, Sean Avery, who is known to be a very controversial player in the league, specifically did that to Brodeur because he knows that Brodeur hates such things, and that it would likely gain him an edge.
Two days later, there was a big stink in the media about the things that the players had said to each other, and the NHL came up with a new rule two days later that prohibited such actions from occurring. I personally think the rule makes sense, since you can logically extend Avery's actions to not just waving his hockey stick around, but using things like his gloves or jersey to block the vison of the goalie.
This can be compared directly to Idra vs Huk. Huk knows about Idra's reputation for raging, and knows the importance of a clear head in Starcraft, so thus he decided to screw with Idra's head. At the time, I thought that Huk was being very very smart by trying to get in Idra's head, but I didn't know that MLG had a rule against in-game chat. I simply thought that players didn't do it on common etiquette or because they wanted to focus on the game. Huk saw an opportunity to get an advantage (just as Avery did in the hockey example), and took it. However, he broke a specific MLG rule, while Avery did not. Avery was not penalized, since what he did was not against any rule, and in fact scored a goal to put his team ahead at a critical time in that game. Huk, however, broke a rule, as did Idra, so both players should have been disqualified from the tournament. There was an EXPLICIT rule in the MLG tournament guidelines that says that any in game chat is prohibited except for early game "gl hf" and "gg" before leaving the game. It doesn't discriminate, or say "oh, any kind of chat that's not pertaining to the game will be let go", it says that ANY chat in game will lead to a disqualification. Both the players broke the rules, and both should have been disqualified. There's no debate to it, end of story.
I can guarantee you that if I finished behind Idra and Huk in that tournament, I would have been really pissed off. There's quite a lot of money on the line here, and when someone breaks a rule that specifically is supposed to disqualify them from competition, I expect them to be disqualified. It cost everyone money, since Idra was awarded 7th place, which the 8th place player Moonan actually deserved. Huk's "that's halo" comment should have incurred the same consequence, according to the MLG rulebook (unless that rule was not present at the specific tournament that Huk said "that's halo" in). This incident was simple, black and white, one player trying to piss the other off, and the other player using vulgar and inappropriate language in response.
I'm very surprised MLG hasn't released a statement about this issue, since they seem to be interested (as are most of us on this website) in the growth of eSports in the West. Issues like this only make it look like a bunch of nerd rage going back and forth, something that most people definitely do not want a part of. I guarantee people who don't follow esports would be rubbed the wrong way by this, and I that's not a desirable thing for anyone who wants to see growth in the esports community.
tl,dr; The rules are explicit, and they should have been followed. End of story.
On April 04 2011 10:23 ChroMe! wrote: The best replay is the third one when IdrA tells HuK to eff off.
Agreed. That was epic. In game chat went like this broadcasted globally:
Huk - "Hey Idra, just so you know last game you could have won"
IDRA - "F*^%K-OFF"
Huk - "Just so you know half my army was hallucinations"
It was just plain epic
How on earth can people consider this BM from Idra?!
If anything HuK should have been given an official warning or possible been DQ'd. Talking in-game is against MLG rules for this exact reason. Now I can understand they don't go after everyone saying some random thing but this was specifically meant to provoke Idra and influence the game.
This just confirms the image I had of HuK as a douche.
WHy should that not be allowed? What real sport does not allow chirping?
If you wanna be taken as a real sport. allow chirping. If you can throw someone off their game because of what you say.. then there not mentaly strong.
You clearly know nothing about sports. For example, take hockey, a sport that is watched by millions and the players are also paid millions. It says EXPLICITLY in the hockey rulebook that players who engage in intentional aggravation or derogatory remarks shall be penalized. I know, since I've been refereeing the highest levels of minor hockey for almost 5 years now.
The reason it happens non-stop and the reason you don't see it called every 10 seconds is because most of it happens when the referees are either not listening or are otherwise occupied with, y'know, calling the actual game.
Back to Starcraft. If there was no rule against in-game chat, I guarantee that every single player would be chirping Idra in series' like the one we saw. He's known to be mentally fragile when it comes to dealing with losses, especially to early rushes and allins. I doubt anyone would do it to Jinro since he isn't known for that sort of thing, and BM'ing him would literally get you nowhere... But against Idra, when it can gain you an actual advantage, I guarantee it would be done regularly.
Again, in sports.... Look at this video and pay attention to the player in the blue jersey standing right in front of the white goaltender, waving his stick in the air, attempting to distract the goaltender. That specific goalie, Martin Brodeur, had spoken out in the media against the NHL's tolerance of players who contact the goalies while attempting to stand in front of them. There's no rule against standing in front of the net and attempting to screen the goalie from seeing the puck, but if you contact the goalie, the rules say that you are to be penalized. So that blue player, Sean Avery, who is known to be a very controversial player in the league, specifically did that to Brodeur because he knows that Brodeur hates such things, and that it would likely gain him an edge.
Two days later, there was a big stink in the media about the things that the players had said to each other, and the NHL came up with a new rule two days later that prohibited such actions from occurring. I personally think the rule makes sense, since you can logically extend Avery's actions to not just waving his hockey stick around, but using things like his gloves or jersey to block the vison of the goalie.
This can be compared directly to Idra vs Huk. Huk knows about Idra's reputation for raging, and knows the importance of a clear head in Starcraft, so thus he decided to screw with Idra's head. At the time, I thought that Huk was being very very smart by trying to get in Idra's head, but I didn't know that MLG had a rule against in-game chat. I simply thought that players didn't do it on common etiquette or because they wanted to focus on the game. Huk saw an opportunity to get an advantage (just as Avery did in the hockey example), and took it. However, he broke a specific MLG rule, while Avery did not. Avery was not penalized, since what he did was not against any rule, and in fact scored a goal to put his team ahead at a critical time in that game. Huk, however, broke a rule, as did Idra, so both players should have been disqualified from the tournament. There was an EXPLICIT rule in the MLG tournament guidelines that says that any in game chat is prohibited except for early game "gl hf" and "gg" before leaving the game. It doesn't discriminate, or say "oh, any kind of chat that's not pertaining to the game will be let go", it says that ANY chat in game will lead to a disqualification. Both the players broke the rules, and both should have been disqualified. There's no debate to it, end of story.
I can guarantee you that if I finished behind Idra and Huk in that tournament, I would have been really pissed off. There's quite a lot of money on the line here, and when someone breaks a rule that specifically is supposed to disqualify them from competition, I expect them to be disqualified. It cost everyone money, since Idra was awarded 7th place, which the 8th place player Moonan actually deserved. Huk's "that's halo" comment should have incurred the same consequence, according to the MLG rulebook (unless that rule was not present at the specific tournament that Huk said "that's halo" in). This incident was simple, black and white, one player trying to piss the other off, and the other player using vulgar and inappropriate language in response.
I'm very surprised MLG hasn't released a statement about this issue, since they seem to be interested (as are most of us on this website) in the growth of eSports in the West. Issues like this only make it look like a bunch of nerd rage going back and forth, something that most people definitely do not want a part of. I guarantee people who don't follow esports would be rubbed the wrong way by this, and I that's not a desirable thing for anyone who wants to see growth in the esports community.
tl,dr; The rules are explicit, and they should have been followed. End of story.
So u honestly think people are that boring that they would prefer to see both idra and huk dq'd rather than actively watch the conflict between the two of them to escalate? Growth of esports and drama that goes with it is precisely why they let it slide, because even for MLG, having a good show with a good backstory is evidently more important than an arbitrary rule they set themselves. It was MLGs choice to let it slide, it was a good one, and since they came up with the rules, ur talk about the topic is useless.
On April 05 2011 08:33 Boundless wrote: You clearly know nothing about sports. For example, take hockey, a sport that is watched by millions and the players are also paid millions. It says EXPLICITLY in the hockey rulebook that players who engage in intentional aggravation or derogatory remarks shall be penalized. I know, since I've been refereeing the highest levels of minor hockey for almost 5 years now.
The reason it happens non-stop and the reason you don't see it called every 10 seconds is because most of it happens when the referees are either not listening or are otherwise occupied with, y'know, calling the actual game.
Back to Starcraft. If there was no rule against in-game chat, I guarantee that every single player would be chirping Idra in series' like the one we saw. He's known to be mentally fragile when it comes to dealing with losses, especially to early rushes and allins. I doubt anyone would do it to Jinro since he isn't known for that sort of thing, and BM'ing him would literally get you nowhere... But against Idra, when it can gain you an actual advantage, I guarantee it would be done regularly.
Again, in sports.... Look at this video and pay attention to the player in the blue jersey standing right in front of the white goaltender, waving his stick in the air, attempting to distract the goaltender. That specific goalie, Martin Brodeur, had spoken out in the media against the NHL's tolerance of players who contact the goalies while attempting to stand in front of them. There's no rule against standing in front of the net and attempting to screen the goalie from seeing the puck, but if you contact the goalie, the rules say that you are to be penalized. So that blue player, Sean Avery, who is known to be a very controversial player in the league, specifically did that to Brodeur because he knows that Brodeur hates such things, and that it would likely gain him an edge.
Two days later, there was a big stink in the media about the things that the players had said to each other, and the NHL came up with a new rule two days later that prohibited such actions from occurring. I personally think the rule makes sense, since you can logically extend Avery's actions to not just waving his hockey stick around, but using things like his gloves or jersey to block the vison of the goalie.
This can be compared directly to Idra vs Huk. Huk knows about Idra's reputation for raging, and knows the importance of a clear head in Starcraft, so thus he decided to screw with Idra's head. At the time, I thought that Huk was being very very smart by trying to get in Idra's head, but I didn't know that MLG had a rule against in-game chat. I simply thought that players didn't do it on common etiquette or because they wanted to focus on the game. Huk saw an opportunity to get an advantage (just as Avery did in the hockey example), and took it. However, he broke a specific MLG rule, while Avery did not. Avery was not penalized, since what he did was not against any rule, and in fact scored a goal to put his team ahead at a critical time in that game. Huk, however, broke a rule, as did Idra, so both players should have been disqualified from the tournament. There was an EXPLICIT rule in the MLG tournament guidelines that says that any in game chat is prohibited except for early game "gl hf" and "gg" before leaving the game. It doesn't discriminate, or say "oh, any kind of chat that's not pertaining to the game will be let go", it says that ANY chat in game will lead to a disqualification. Both the players broke the rules, and both should have been disqualified. There's no debate to it, end of story.
I can guarantee you that if I finished behind Idra and Huk in that tournament, I would have been really pissed off. There's quite a lot of money on the line here, and when someone breaks a rule that specifically is supposed to disqualify them from competition, I expect them to be disqualified. It cost everyone money, since Idra was awarded 7th place, which the 8th place player Moonan actually deserved. Huk's "that's halo" comment should have incurred the same consequence, according to the MLG rulebook (unless that rule was not present at the specific tournament that Huk said "that's halo" in). This incident was simple, black and white, one player trying to piss the other off, and the other player using vulgar and inappropriate language in response.
I'm very surprised MLG hasn't released a statement about this issue, since they seem to be interested (as are most of us on this website) in the growth of eSports in the West. Issues like this only make it look like a bunch of nerd rage going back and forth, something that most people definitely do not want a part of. I guarantee people who don't follow esports would be rubbed the wrong way by this, and I that's not a desirable thing for anyone who wants to see growth in the esports community.
tl,dr; The rules are explicit, and they should have been followed. End of story.
So u honestly think people are that boring that they would prefer to see both idra and huk dq'd rather than actively watch the conflict between the two of them to escalate? Growth of esports and drama that goes with it is precisely why they let it slide, because even for MLG, having a good show with a good backstory is evidently more important than an arbitrary rule they set themselves. It was MLGs choice to let it slide, it was a good one, and since they came up with the rules, ur talk about the topic is useless.
I think you missed his point. Rules are made for a reason and should be enforced or are worthless. + Show Spoiler +
again going to sports, this time MBA, the way star players are allowed to travel/walk/charge/hack/etc really takes away from the credibility of the game. Believe it or not, the game will be as good/exciting for spectators if rules were enforced and "top" players were DQ'd or forfeit games
On April 05 2011 08:33 Boundless wrote: You clearly know nothing about sports. For example, take hockey, a sport that is watched by millions and the players are also paid millions. It says EXPLICITLY in the hockey rulebook that players who engage in intentional aggravation or derogatory remarks shall be penalized. I know, since I've been refereeing the highest levels of minor hockey for almost 5 years now.
The reason it happens non-stop and the reason you don't see it called every 10 seconds is because most of it happens when the referees are either not listening or are otherwise occupied with, y'know, calling the actual game.
Back to Starcraft. If there was no rule against in-game chat, I guarantee that every single player would be chirping Idra in series' like the one we saw. He's known to be mentally fragile when it comes to dealing with losses, especially to early rushes and allins. I doubt anyone would do it to Jinro since he isn't known for that sort of thing, and BM'ing him would literally get you nowhere... But against Idra, when it can gain you an actual advantage, I guarantee it would be done regularly.
Again, in sports.... Look at this video and pay attention to the player in the blue jersey standing right in front of the white goaltender, waving his stick in the air, attempting to distract the goaltender. That specific goalie, Martin Brodeur, had spoken out in the media against the NHL's tolerance of players who contact the goalies while attempting to stand in front of them. There's no rule against standing in front of the net and attempting to screen the goalie from seeing the puck, but if you contact the goalie, the rules say that you are to be penalized. So that blue player, Sean Avery, who is known to be a very controversial player in the league, specifically did that to Brodeur because he knows that Brodeur hates such things, and that it would likely gain him an edge.
Two days later, there was a big stink in the media about the things that the players had said to each other, and the NHL came up with a new rule two days later that prohibited such actions from occurring. I personally think the rule makes sense, since you can logically extend Avery's actions to not just waving his hockey stick around, but using things like his gloves or jersey to block the vison of the goalie.
This can be compared directly to Idra vs Huk. Huk knows about Idra's reputation for raging, and knows the importance of a clear head in Starcraft, so thus he decided to screw with Idra's head. At the time, I thought that Huk was being very very smart by trying to get in Idra's head, but I didn't know that MLG had a rule against in-game chat. I simply thought that players didn't do it on common etiquette or because they wanted to focus on the game. Huk saw an opportunity to get an advantage (just as Avery did in the hockey example), and took it. However, he broke a specific MLG rule, while Avery did not. Avery was not penalized, since what he did was not against any rule, and in fact scored a goal to put his team ahead at a critical time in that game. Huk, however, broke a rule, as did Idra, so both players should have been disqualified from the tournament. There was an EXPLICIT rule in the MLG tournament guidelines that says that any in game chat is prohibited except for early game "gl hf" and "gg" before leaving the game. It doesn't discriminate, or say "oh, any kind of chat that's not pertaining to the game will be let go", it says that ANY chat in game will lead to a disqualification. Both the players broke the rules, and both should have been disqualified. There's no debate to it, end of story.
I can guarantee you that if I finished behind Idra and Huk in that tournament, I would have been really pissed off. There's quite a lot of money on the line here, and when someone breaks a rule that specifically is supposed to disqualify them from competition, I expect them to be disqualified. It cost everyone money, since Idra was awarded 7th place, which the 8th place player Moonan actually deserved. Huk's "that's halo" comment should have incurred the same consequence, according to the MLG rulebook (unless that rule was not present at the specific tournament that Huk said "that's halo" in). This incident was simple, black and white, one player trying to piss the other off, and the other player using vulgar and inappropriate language in response.
I'm very surprised MLG hasn't released a statement about this issue, since they seem to be interested (as are most of us on this website) in the growth of eSports in the West. Issues like this only make it look like a bunch of nerd rage going back and forth, something that most people definitely do not want a part of. I guarantee people who don't follow esports would be rubbed the wrong way by this, and I that's not a desirable thing for anyone who wants to see growth in the esports community.
tl,dr; The rules are explicit, and they should have been followed. End of story.
So u honestly think people are that boring that they would prefer to see both idra and huk dq'd rather than actively watch the conflict between the two of them to escalate? Growth of esports and drama that goes with it is precisely why they let it slide, because even for MLG, having a good show with a good backstory is evidently more important than an arbitrary rule they set themselves. It was MLGs choice to let it slide, it was a good one, and since they came up with the rules, ur talk about the topic is useless.
I think you missed his point. Rules are made for a reason and should be enforced or are worthless. + Show Spoiler +
again going to sports, this time MBA, the way star players are allowed to travel/walk/charge/hack/etc really takes away from the credibility of the game. Believe it or not, the game will be as good/exciting for spectators if rules were enforced and "top" players were DQ'd or forfeit games
I didnt miss his point, i just disagree with both him and you completely. To continue with your NBA example, ur suggesting that following rules will make for just as an exciting game... sorry but no, and especially basketball is a prime example. Do people want to see blake griffin do a 360 dunk in game, or do they want to see him called out before he does it for making 1 extra step? NBA is the most popular and watched basketball league precisely because its entertainment. Ofc they have rules traveling/ charging etc, but they are deliberatly easy on the players, because they want to keep the entertainment value as high as it can be, and very often at the expense of "formal" rules. People want to see players who have a grudge against each other play it out, and not be all goody goody, and want to see some trash talk or wtvr u want to call it. MLG realised this, and its exactly why they didnt even restart a game. I mean common... given idras and huks history, when the game starts off with a convo like that, it becomes instantly 100x more exciting, cause now there is even more pride on the line. Fundamental rules are needed to set structure, but not willing to bend them for the name of viewership and hype (in the sc2 example) would be simply stupid, especially in the case as harmless as this one (please dont tell me you seriously think that this convo really effected idras performance in g3, thats absurd, if anything he'd be more motivated).
On April 05 2011 09:41 warmus wrote: I didnt miss his point, i just disagree with both him and you completely. To continue with your NBA example, ur suggesting that following rules will make for just as an exciting game... sorry but no, and especially basketball is a prime example. Do people want to see blake griffin do a 360 dunk in game, or do they want to see him called out before he does it for making 1 extra step? NBA is the most popular and watched basketball league precisely because its entertainment. Ofc they have rules traveling/ charging etc, but they are deliberatly easy on the players, because they want to keep the entertainment value as high as it can be, and very often at the expense of "formal" rules. People want to see players who have a grudge against each other play it out, and not be all goody goody, and want to see some trash talk or wtvr u want to call it. MLG realised this, and its exactly why they didnt even restart a game. I mean common... given idras and huks history, when the game starts off with a convo like that, it becomes instantly 100x more exciting, cause now there is even more pride on the line. Fundamental rules are needed to set structure, but not willing to bend them for the name of viewership and hype (in the sc2 example) would be simply stupid, especially in the case as harmless as this one (please dont tell me you seriously think that this convo really effected idras performance in g3, thats absurd, if anything he'd be more motivated).
I would rather see people play the games inside of the rules. I would rather see that travel called, and would rather watch players use their finesse and skill to shake defenders rather than simply taking an extra step. The player that can get around defenders within the rules of the game is 100x more skilled than the player that can do it by playing outside of the rules.
The popular opinion of the NBA amongst people who have watched the game evolve is that the league today is a joke. Players get fouls called on them by reputation, and then complain when they don't get that extra special treatment from the referees. I've seen top players get completely cleanly blocked, get a foul called, and then trash talk the guy who made an amazing play to block them. It's simply stupid, but it's an unfortunate fact of the game these days because of its increased commercialization. People like to watch certain players, and its those players that get special treatment from the leagues. Prime example, Sidney Crosby and the NHL. I could post countless examples of that guy whining about how he gets treated on the ice, and analyze the NHL's favourable responses, but I don't have the time.
Sure, I can see the game becoming more exciting if the players engage in some mind games that are not against explicit rules. Look at MC, he calls his opponents bad all the time, but does it before the game and does not distract from the spectacle of Starcraft while he is in the game. Huk and Idra both broke a specific tournament rule that prevents in game chat, and Idra did it in a manner that would offend quite a few people. Sure, people want to see rivalries and grudges, I understand that. However, those rivalries are cultivated by external comments, often in the media. This incident occurred in the game, on an international stream attempting to grow esports in the West. I guarantee that if an NHL player told someone else to "fuck off" in a postgame interview on national television, that he would get fined and possibly suspended. I could go through countless examples of coaches making angry statements and having to pay out of their pockets for it.
This specific example was Huk trying to rub Idra's ragequit in his face, and Idra responding with profanity. If you don't think that could have affected Idra's performance, then you clearly have never played sports, and know nothing about the mental state required to perform at a high level. It's not even debatable. Watch golfers who get into self destructive patterns. They will completely rock the first half of the round, and then look like an amateur hacker for the last 5 holes because they missed one putt. Golf is in my opinion the toughest mental sport out there, since you have 5+ hours to have negative and distracting thoughts in your mind rather than the 20-45 minutes of Starcraft. Watch hockey players who get in long scoring slumps. They miss wide open nets and try low percentage plays, simply because they've got the proverbial monkey on their backs, and in their heads.
The thought "I just left a game to hallucinated void rays, and this guy is rubbing it in my face" in Idra's head could have easily affected his performance. That's a hugely negative statement to be thinking about during high level competition.
Every league wants to maintain its professional image, and the image of its players. I've lost a ton of respect for Huk and Idra because they essentially behaved like ten year old children on one of the biggest esports stages outside of Korea. The conversation could have been rephrased to this:
Huk: "neener neener, i beat you" Idra: "Well I'm better than you, so ha." Huk: "You're terrible."
However, I've lost even more respect for MLG for failing to deal with this situation at all. They essentially let two of their big-ticket players completely destroy any semblance of professionalism for MLG Starcraft 2, and haven't done anything about it.
If all you're interested in is excitement you can do lots of things. You can go skydiving. You can go bungee-jumping. You can play some sports, or watch them if you're into that, or a number of other things.
However, if you're interested in a specific game, the rules are a part of that interest. Excitement shouldn't take precedence over the game itself; breaking the rules is demonstrating skewed priorities. Whether that makes the game more or less exciting is beside the point because it's no longer the same game once you step outside the rules established for that game - or, in this case, for the tournament.
Would I find golf more exciting if, in the middle of the fourth hole, Rafael Nadal ran onto the field and swatted a putt away with his racquet? I dunno, maybe, but even if it was exciting I wouldn't be watching golf anymore, would I? And golf was what I wanted in this hypothetical world where I actually like golf.
Boundless covers the rest pretty well already, re: why it's not more exciting when people break rules and subsequently aren't called out for it. In fact it's a buzzkill seeing referees do their jobs poorly, or not at all. How many games have been upsets on a bad call? That's not exciting, that's the trigger for a riot, and not the good kind.
tl;dr - Breaking rules does not make you cool. Neither does talking trash.
On April 05 2011 08:47 CursedFeanor wrote: relatively off topic, but i don't wanna create a thread for that : is there an MLG replay pack available somewhere?
on topic : I think most (if not all) ingame chat should be allowed. It just adds more personality to this otherwise kinda impersonal "sport".
All of the replays of the tourney can be found by going to majorleaguegaming.com and clicking on the SC2 bracket (link: http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2011-dallas-starcraft2-champ.html#). The replays are found by clicking on "match info" below the players' names, and then clicking on "replay". Not all of the replays are up yet, but I'm guessing they will be soon.
lmao so many overly nerdy whiners in here. Welcome to the real competitive world, even in real professional sports, not every player gets penalized for each individual illegal action they do. Why don't you let MLG do their job and quit QQing about who broke the rules? There are tons of sc2 tournaments that have rules stating whether you're allowed to have in-game chat or not, but how many of the competitors follow that? Good luck trying to argue against the world with your sportmanship morality but I hate to break it to yah, things just don't always fall in to place no matter how strict the rules are.
This can be compared directly to Idra vs Huk. Huk knows about Idra's reputation for raging, and knows the importance of a clear head in Starcraft, so thus he decided to screw with Idra's head. At the time, I thought that Huk was being very very smart by trying to get in Idra's head, but I didn't know that MLG had a rule against in-game chat. I simply thought that players didn't do it on common etiquette or because they wanted to focus on the game. Huk saw an opportunity to get an advantage (just as Avery did in the hockey example), and took it. However, he broke a specific MLG rule, while Avery did not. Avery was not penalized, since what he did was not against any rule, and in fact scored a goal to put his team ahead at a critical time in that game. Huk, however, broke a rule, as did Idra, so both players should have been disqualified from the tournament. There was an EXPLICIT rule in the MLG tournament guidelines that says that any in game chat is prohibited except for early game "gl hf" and "gg" before leaving the game. It doesn't discriminate, or say "oh, any kind of chat that's not pertaining to the game will be let go", it says that ANY chat in game will lead to a disqualification. Both the players broke the rules, and both should have been disqualified. There's no debate to it, end of story. I can guarantee you that if I finished behind Idra and Huk in that tournament, I would have been really pissed off. There's quite a lot of money on the line here, and when someone breaks a rule that specifically is supposed to disqualify them from competition, I expect them to be disqualified. It cost everyone money, since Idra was awarded 7th place, which the 8th place player Moonan actually deserved. Huk's "that's halo" comment should have incurred the same consequence, according to the MLG rulebook (unless that rule was not present at the specific tournament that Huk said "that's halo" in). This incident was simple, black and white, one player trying to piss the other off, and the other player using vulgar and inappropriate language in response.
1 thing, I don't quite agree with you that HuK did this on purpose to get an advantage. Think about what was probably going on in HuK's head. He had just won too fast and easily in his opinion because IdrA didn't realize that he had used hallucinations instead of real units. Then he still thought about that in the next game and decided to make IdrA aware of it. The way HuK wrote the comment it seems to have been more of a spontaneous action rather than a purposive one. I agree with you it wasn't professional though - of course everyone should stick to the rules. But I think disqualifying both of the players would have been a bit harsh in that case. A warning would have been eligible.
Trash talking is part of a lot of great sports and Starcraft is one of them. I don't see the point of this rule at all so cut the rules are there for a reason and thus need to be enforced crap. Starcraft at high levels is all about mind games sometimes and I don't see the harm in a few sarcastic remarks that weren't even insulting in any way. "Professional" NBA players trash talk their opponents every single game and nobody gives a shit but the Starcraft community can't have their Professionals make some remarks at the start of the game while everybody and their mothers are flaming each other on ladder that's so damn hypocritical.
I'm not going to involve myself in the "wall of text" arguement going on here, but...
Trash talking is good for the game. It creates rivals, dimension, and emotion. No-one wants to see robots 4gate all day. People want and need the passion and the feeling. Bringing back-story into each and every game makes it all the more moving.
On April 06 2011 12:25 Tegin wrote: This was released about 2 hours ago. They said about 90% of the replays are now available in this first replay pack.
edit: the same replays that are missing in the brackets are missing in this pack too. TLO nukes, Idra hallucinated, SelecT drops vs incontrol; some of the best ones are missing I don't know why.
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