[R] Where can i find the replay of MLG idra vs huk

On April 04 2011 00:40 ZerganicChem wrote:
All you really need to know is Idra played like a noob, lost like a noob, then cried like a noob like he always does.

On April 03 2011 23:35 supermanrick wrote:
Dude you cant wait a few days for replays, it was 20 min game and your going to watch 3 seconds. Liquid huk made 5 hallucinated void rays, then idra attacks and rage quit.

On April 04 2011 03:26 Syrikk wrote:


Maybe, MAYBE, just maybe, he simply wanted to watch the replay. How odd would THAT be, right?

On April 04 2011 04:23 Rashid wrote:


I still don't understand why MLG havent released the rep though. Maybe it's because it's being held by request from IdrA since it was kinda humiliating.

On April 04 2011 10:23 ChroMe! wrote:
The best replay is the third one when IdrA tells HuK to eff off.

On April 04 2011 14:33 Lunares wrote:
Huk did have a rematch against Idra in the championship loser bracket. This was an extended series that started 2-1 for Huk but Idra went 3-0 against him there for a final map score of 4-2 for Idra (which is why Idra faced TLO)

On April 04 2011 12:05 Lightwish01 wrote:



Agreed. That was epic. In game chat went like this broadcasted globally:

Huk - "Hey Idra, just so you know last game you could have won"

IDRA - "F*^%K-OFF"

Huk - "Just so you know half my army was hallucinations"





It was just plain epic

On April 04 2011 17:21 Vorenius wrote:

How on earth can people consider this BM from Idra?!

If anything HuK should have been given an official warning or possible been DQ'd. Talking in-game is against MLG rules for this exact reason. Now I can understand they don't go after everyone saying some random thing but this was specifically meant to provoke Idra and influence the game.

This just confirms the image I had of HuK as a douche.

3. Players may not chat in-game unless they are engaging in pre-game sportsmanship or surrendering the Game.

6. Breaking any of Gameplay Rules #2-5 will result in a Forfeit of the Game.

On April 04 2011 17:21 Vorenius wrote:
How on earth can people consider this BM from Idra?!

If anything HuK should have been given an official warning or possible been DQ'd. Talking in-game is against MLG rules for this exact reason. Now I can understand they don't go after everyone saying some random thing but this was specifically meant to provoke Idra and influence the game.

This just confirms the image I had of HuK as a douche.

On April 04 2011 02:35 two.watup wrote:

He had a better army and economy when he left. He lost because he saw more than what he expected, and extrapolated that his opponent had a huge advantage, which was not the case.

A single poor judgement.

I really dislike IdrAs BM, but you can't fault his play.

On April 04 2011 17:21 Vorenius wrote:

How on earth can people consider this BM from Idra?!

If anything HuK should have been given an official warning or possible been DQ'd. Talking in-game is against MLG rules for this exact reason. Now I can understand they don't go after everyone saying some random thing but this was specifically meant to provoke Idra and influence the game.

This just confirms the image I had of HuK as a douche.

On April 04 2011 12:05 Lightwish01 wrote:



Agreed. That was epic. In game chat went like this broadcasted globally:

Huk - "Hey Idra, just so you know last game you could have won"

IDRA - "F*^%K-OFF"

Huk - "Just so you know half my army was hallucinations"





It was just plain epic

On April 04 2011 17:55 holycrapitsTony wrote:


I wouldn't go that far and make a conclusion about HuK. Passing judgment like that is just as bad as the people who want to bash IdrA every step of the way. I think they both chose poor ways to handle it. IdrA manned up and took his loss. HuK felt it was necessary to harass him next game and IdrA replied in a rude manner. It should have been a simple "glgl" and nothing else.

It should also be noted that HuK broke tournament rules by doing so.



Which leads me to question this...

On April 04 2011 18:02 Drteeth wrote:


You don't consider telling to someone to FUCK OFF in a live broadcast game?

Your parents did a fantastic job in teaching you exceptional manners and decorum!

On April 04 2011 18:27 Drteeth wrote:
bah, there is simply no talking to idra fanboys

On April 04 2011 18:48 Dreaming11 wrote:
The problem is a judge probably doesn't want to force HuK or any other decent player to forfeit a deciding match on something like that comment.

They should have a yellow card system. Then judges know that its not going to ruin a tourney for a 'one-off' but repeat offenders will unfortunately be disqualified.

On April 04 2011 21:25 Tegin wrote:
Maybe if IdrA changed his attitude players wouldn't want to rub it in or provoke him? And I'm sorry, but HuK explaining how/why IdrA lost and IdrA saying "f off" are in two seperate worlds.

On April 04 2011 22:01 ishboh wrote:
how is Huk at fault for pointing out that his army was hallucinations? it was probably a very good move, as it put idra even more off his game. starcraft is half about getting into your opponents head, and huk did exactly that...

it seems that idra is a great player, but he often times loses to the meta game.

also, hopefully idra will stop gging so quickly (against protoss at least) now.

On April 04 2011 18:02 greycubed wrote:
Why are you trying to smear Idra? Huk was laughing in the chat, said none of that "just so you know" stuff, and Idra didn't type in caps. Hard to make Idra look like a good guy, but Huk pulled it off.

On April 04 2011 21:05 holycrapitsTony wrote:


It doesn't matter. There are rules set in place and everyone (including MLG) has agreed on these way ahead of time.

On April 04 2011 17:57 aebriol wrote:

What I loved was Idra's comment in the interview after his 3-0 victory in the rematch. "And I knew Huk can't beat me in a real game"... made me laugh, considering the way he lost earlier.

... and I don't understand why everybody considers it "ragequitting" when you just surrender without typing out gg ... to me, ragequitting is when you start typing shit complaining, calling people names etc, before quitting.

On April 04 2011 00:40 ZerganicChem wrote:
All you really need to know is Idra played like a noob, lost like a noob, then cried like a noob like he always does.

User was temp banned for this post.

On April 04 2011 17:21 Vorenius wrote:

How on earth can people consider this BM from Idra?!

If anything HuK should have been given an official warning or possible been DQ'd. Talking in-game is against MLG rules for this exact reason. Now I can understand they don't go after everyone saying some random thing but this was specifically meant to provoke Idra and influence the game.

This just confirms the image I had of HuK as a douche.

On April 04 2011 23:23 Sein wrote:
Any luck with finding that 2nd replay? I'm almost starting to believe that it's intentionally "missing" either by a request from Idra or MLG deciding to censor things on their own for whatever reason.

On April 04 2011 04:48 Psquared wrote:
I wouldn't say that Idra rage quit as much as I would say that he thought he was going to get owned and decided to just leave early, thinking that a loss was imminent. HuK really didn't have to bring up the fact that he used hallucinations at the start of the 3rd match considering that Idra was probably already PO'ed that he had lost.

On April 04 2011 17:21 Vorenius wrote:

How on earth can people consider this BM from Idra?!

If anything HuK should have been given an official warning or possible been DQ'd. Talking in-game is against MLG rules for this exact reason. Now I can understand they don't go after everyone saying some random thing but this was specifically meant to provoke Idra and influence the game.

This just confirms the image I had of HuK as a douche.

On April 05 2011 01:33 GreEny K wrote:


This isn't Korean BW... There aren't any penalties for talking in game.

On April 05 2011 01:35 ch33psh33p wrote:



Would it KILL YOU to know the rules before posting? MLG clearly states, any player that initiates conversation outside of pre-game gl's, WILL BE DISQUALIFIED.

On April 05 2011 01:18 goiflin wrote:


Tilting your opponent is a pretty common practice in most esports, from CS, to fighting games (especially fighting games). It may not be mannered, but when are manners going to come into play when there's thousands of dollars on the line?

3. Players may not chat in-game unless they are engaging in pre-game sportsmanship or surrendering the Game.

6. Breaking any of Gameplay Rules #2-5 will result in a Forfeit of the Game.

On April 05 2011 01:33 GreEny K wrote:


This isn't Korean BW... The written rules are only enforced at arbitrary times.

On April 05 2011 01:47 Eppa! wrote:
I just hope that MLG learns from this, Huk should have been DQ because of manners. He clearly broke the rules. Chat should be prohibited for just this reason. BM has no place in Esports. Idra was quite rude but you need to follow rules.

On April 05 2011 03:16 Ownos wrote:
Lol people are faulting Huk for telling Idra he made a mistake leaving early last game? Idra fan-boys. -.-

On April 04 2011 00:40 ZerganicChem wrote:
All you really need to know is Idra played like a noob, lost like a noob, then cried like a noob like he always does.

User was temp banned for this post.

On April 04 2011 17:21 Vorenius wrote:

How on earth can people consider this BM from Idra?!

If anything HuK should have been given an official warning or possible been DQ'd. Talking in-game is against MLG rules for this exact reason. Now I can understand they don't go after everyone saying some random thing but this was specifically meant to provoke Idra and influence the game.

This just confirms the image I had of HuK as a douche.

On April 05 2011 03:01 ribboo wrote:

He should've been dq'd back @ "tahts halo" then. Didn't see any complaints at that time.

On April 05 2011 06:13 GambleVII wrote:


WHy should that not be allowed?
What real sport does not allow chirping?

If you wanna be taken as a real sport. allow chirping. If you can throw someone off their game because of what you say.. then there not mentaly strong.

On April 04 2011 17:57 aebriol wrote:

What I loved was Idra's comment in the interview after his 3-0 victory in the rematch. "And I knew Huk can't beat me in a real game"... made me laugh, considering the way he lost earlier.

... and I don't understand why everybody considers it "ragequitting" when you just surrender without typing out gg ... to me, ragequitting is when you start typing shit complaining, calling people names etc, before quitting.

On April 05 2011 06:13 GambleVII wrote:


WHy should that not be allowed?
What real sport does not allow chirping?

If you wanna be taken as a real sport. allow chirping. If you can throw someone off their game because of what you say.. then there not mentaly strong.

On April 05 2011 08:33 Boundless wrote:

You clearly know nothing about sports. For example, take hockey, a sport that is watched by millions and the players are also paid millions. It says EXPLICITLY in the hockey rulebook that players who engage in intentional aggravation or derogatory remarks shall be penalized. I know, since I've been refereeing the highest levels of minor hockey for almost 5 years now.

The reason it happens non-stop and the reason you don't see it called every 10 seconds is because most of it happens when the referees are either not listening or are otherwise occupied with, y'know, calling the actual game.

Back to Starcraft. If there was no rule against in-game chat, I guarantee that every single player would be chirping Idra in series' like the one we saw. He's known to be mentally fragile when it comes to dealing with losses, especially to early rushes and allins. I doubt anyone would do it to Jinro since he isn't known for that sort of thing, and BM'ing him would literally get you nowhere... But against Idra, when it can gain you an actual advantage, I guarantee it would be done regularly.

Again, in sports.... Look at this video and pay attention to the player in the blue jersey standing right in front of the white goaltender, waving his stick in the air, attempting to distract the goaltender. That specific goalie, Martin Brodeur, had spoken out in the media against the NHL's tolerance of players who contact the goalies while attempting to stand in front of them. There's no rule against standing in front of the net and attempting to screen the goalie from seeing the puck, but if you contact the goalie, the rules say that you are to be penalized. So that blue player, Sean Avery, who is known to be a very controversial player in the league, specifically did that to Brodeur because he knows that Brodeur hates such things, and that it would likely gain him an edge.

Two days later, there was a big stink in the media about the things that the players had said to each other, and the NHL came up with a new rule two days later that prohibited such actions from occurring. I personally think the rule makes sense, since you can logically extend Avery's actions to not just waving his hockey stick around, but using things like his gloves or jersey to block the vison of the goalie.

This can be compared directly to Idra vs Huk. Huk knows about Idra's reputation for raging, and knows the importance of a clear head in Starcraft, so thus he decided to screw with Idra's head. At the time, I thought that Huk was being very very smart by trying to get in Idra's head, but I didn't know that MLG had a rule against in-game chat. I simply thought that players didn't do it on common etiquette or because they wanted to focus on the game. Huk saw an opportunity to get an advantage (just as Avery did in the hockey example), and took it. However, he broke a specific MLG rule, while Avery did not. Avery was not penalized, since what he did was not against any rule, and in fact scored a goal to put his team ahead at a critical time in that game. Huk, however, broke a rule, as did Idra, so both players should have been disqualified from the tournament. There was an EXPLICIT rule in the MLG tournament guidelines that says that any in game chat is prohibited except for early game "gl hf" and "gg" before leaving the game. It doesn't discriminate, or say "oh, any kind of chat that's not pertaining to the game will be let go", it says that ANY chat in game will lead to a disqualification. Both the players broke the rules, and both should have been disqualified. There's no debate to it, end of story.

I can guarantee you that if I finished behind Idra and Huk in that tournament, I would have been really pissed off. There's quite a lot of money on the line here, and when someone breaks a rule that specifically is supposed to disqualify them from competition, I expect them to be disqualified. It cost everyone money, since Idra was awarded 7th place, which the 8th place player Moonan actually deserved. Huk's "that's halo" comment should have incurred the same consequence, according to the MLG rulebook (unless that rule was not present at the specific tournament that Huk said "that's halo" in). This incident was simple, black and white, one player trying to piss the other off, and the other player using vulgar and inappropriate language in response.

I'm very surprised MLG hasn't released a statement about this issue, since they seem to be interested (as are most of us on this website) in the growth of eSports in the West. Issues like this only make it look like a bunch of nerd rage going back and forth, something that most people definitely do not want a part of. I guarantee people who don't follow esports would be rubbed the wrong way by this, and I that's not a desirable thing for anyone who wants to see growth in the esports community.

tl,dr; The rules are explicit, and they should have been followed. End of story.

On April 05 2011 08:50 warmus wrote:


So u honestly think people are that boring that they would prefer to see both idra and huk dq'd rather than actively watch the conflict between the two of them to escalate? Growth of esports and drama that goes with it is precisely why they let it slide, because even for MLG, having a good show with a good backstory is evidently more important than an arbitrary rule they set themselves. It was MLGs choice to let it slide, it was a good one, and since they came up with the rules, ur talk about the topic is useless.

On April 05 2011 09:08 DusTerr wrote:


I think you missed his point. Rules are made for a reason and should be enforced or are worthless. + Show Spoiler +

On April 05 2011 09:41 warmus wrote:
I didnt miss his point, i just disagree with both him and you completely. To continue with your NBA example, ur suggesting that following rules will make for just as an exciting game... sorry but no, and especially basketball is a prime example. Do people want to see blake griffin do a 360 dunk in game, or do they want to see him called out before he does it for making 1 extra step? NBA is the most popular and watched basketball league precisely because its entertainment. Ofc they have rules traveling/ charging etc, but they are deliberatly easy on the players, because they want to keep the entertainment value as high as it can be, and very often at the expense of "formal" rules. People want to see players who have a grudge against each other play it out, and not be all goody goody, and want to see some trash talk or wtvr u want to call it. MLG realised this, and its exactly why they didnt even restart a game. I mean common... given idras and huks history, when the game starts off with a convo like that, it becomes instantly 100x more exciting, cause now there is even more pride on the line. Fundamental rules are needed to set structure, but not willing to bend them for the name of viewership and hype (in the sc2 example) would be simply stupid, especially in the case as harmless as this one (please dont tell me you seriously think that this convo really effected idras performance in g3, thats absurd, if anything he'd be more motivated).

On April 05 2011 09:44 Jimmeh wrote:
People need to watch this game and listen to SDM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDtU_BallqI

On April 05 2011 08:47 CursedFeanor wrote:
relatively off topic, but i don't wanna create a thread for that : is there an MLG replay pack available somewhere?

on topic : I think most (if not all) ingame chat should be allowed. It just adds more personality to this otherwise kinda impersonal "sport".

This can be compared directly to Idra vs Huk. Huk knows about Idra's reputation for raging, and knows the importance of a clear head in Starcraft, so thus he decided to screw with Idra's head. At the time, I thought that Huk was being very very smart by trying to get in Idra's head, but I didn't know that MLG had a rule against in-game chat. I simply thought that players didn't do it on common etiquette or because they wanted to focus on the game. Huk saw an opportunity to get an advantage (just as Avery did in the hockey example), and took it. However, he broke a specific MLG rule, while Avery did not. Avery was not penalized, since what he did was not against any rule, and in fact scored a goal to put his team ahead at a critical time in that game. Huk, however, broke a rule, as did Idra, so both players should have been disqualified from the tournament. There was an EXPLICIT rule in the MLG tournament guidelines that says that any in game chat is prohibited except for early game "gl hf" and "gg" before leaving the game. It doesn't discriminate, or say "oh, any kind of chat that's not pertaining to the game will be let go", it says that ANY chat in game will lead to a disqualification. Both the players broke the rules, and both should have been disqualified. There's no debate to it, end of story.
I can guarantee you that if I finished behind Idra and Huk in that tournament, I would have been really pissed off. There's quite a lot of money on the line here, and when someone breaks a rule that specifically is supposed to disqualify them from competition, I expect them to be disqualified. It cost everyone money, since Idra was awarded 7th place, which the 8th place player Moonan actually deserved. Huk's "that's halo" comment should have incurred the same consequence, according to the MLG rulebook (unless that rule was not present at the specific tournament that Huk said "that's halo" in). This incident was simple, black and white, one player trying to piss the other off, and the other player using vulgar and inappropriate language in response.

On April 06 2011 12:25 Tegin wrote:
This was released about 2 hours ago. They said about 90% of the replays are now available in this first replay pack.

MLG Dallas 2011 Replay Pack #1

On April 06 2011 10:30 BrahCJ wrote:
I'm not going to involve myself in the "wall of text" arguement going on here, but...

Trash talking is good for the game. It creates rivals, dimension, and emotion.
No-one wants to see robots 4gate all day. People want and need the passion and the feeling. Bringing back-story into each and every game makes it all the more moving.

See: NASL Focusing on each players "Story."

On April 05 2011 07:09 Angelbelow wrote:


It doesnt matter what you believe. It doesnt matter if I agree or disagree with you. The current rules are in placed and should be enforced. Just like what happened to LiquidTyler.

And btw, in "real sports" there are still penalty points and technicals given out for excessive trash talk. So your argument here is rather weak.

On April 07 2011 13:33 han_han wrote:
Um...so the download link is apparently up here, but it's Torch vs TLO???

On April 07 2011 13:37 OmniscientSC2 wrote:


Yeah... torch v tlo on like desert oasis? I guess MLG doesn't want to release the replay =\

On April 07 2011 13:47 han_han wrote:

I sincerely hope it's just a mix-up or something similar. If they don't want to release it, they can just say so. Why would they put up a fake replay on purpose? That makes no sense. Isn't MLG supposed to be one of the more official outfits?

On April 04 2011 17:57 aebriol wrote:

What I loved was Idra's comment in the interview after his 3-0 victory in the rematch. "And I knew Huk can't beat me in a real game"... made me laugh, considering the way he lost earlier.

... and I don't understand why everybody considers it "ragequitting" when you just surrender without typing out gg ... to me, ragequitting is when you start typing shit complaining, calling people names etc, before quitting.

On April 07 2011 19:16 Faze. wrote:


No one cares about what it means "to you". Fact of the matter is that it seems like you don't know what ragequit means in SC2, because yes, it may very well be different in every game.

BTW guys, these are just 2 young adults playing video games. Poor judgement and handling situations badly is pretty much how things turn out around here. Don't be thinking that just because it's SC2 it's got to be all up there above everything else... seriously, nice bubble out of reality tho.