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On March 27 2011 08:20 Naniwa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 08:19 Chewie wrote:On March 27 2011 08:11 IntoTheWow wrote:On March 27 2011 08:09 dsousa wrote:On March 27 2011 07:59 Chill wrote:On March 27 2011 07:58 iExtrapolate wrote:
There were many moments in the game in which Naniwa repositioned his units to prepare for an attack at a non obvious position immediately before an attack occurred. Some people in this thread claim that this was purely intuition, but because the time at which the drop occurred and the time at which the stalkers were moved to position in which they could defend the drop was so close, if there were no map hacks, there was obviously a lot of luck involved. So the two explanations for the random preparedness of Naniwa are either that he has a great intuition and got lucky at several different times in the series or that he map hacked.
Considering that this is a tournament with a 5 figure prize pool and there is no way for the commentators to detect a map hacker, it is not without reason to assume that, in this tournament, they could exist. I think, for the sake of the legitimacy of this tournament, the replays from this series should be watched from Naniwa's vision to determine whether or not he map hacked. While I agree that it may be a little rash to outright accuse Naniwa of map hacking, it would be naive to just assume, that in all of those circumstances it was his intuition that prepared him for those non obvious attacks.
Are you serious? I asked a similar question a few days ago... and you asked this same question? "Are you serious?" Yes, people are serious about this. Why are you so sure this doesn't happen? Or are you just trying to shame skeptics from asking questions? You should follow up with...... "The reason I/we are sure that map hacking does not occur is because......." please fill in the blank..seriously! Way to interpret the post incorrectly. Read that ridiculous posts again and tell me it's a serious hacking accusation. It's a mild, ridiculous hacking accusation by someone who either didn't watch the games or knows little about how the game works. This might be true, but is it grounds for out right banning? He clearly stated an opinion that Naniwa was very lucky or maphacking. Whats the big deal? The mods here have become pretty goddamn fierce. + Show Spoiler +btw im not saying Naniwa was maphacking i have been told to not respond here by many people since they say i will get flamed, ill just try to clarify the issues you are having understanding this simple move on game 3 that i asume is what you mean by " maphack " , I just killed his third and it cost me alot of units. ofcourse ret wants to make counter-damage. is it too hard to grasp ?  if its game 1, i had a zealot at tower.
I find your PvZ Style is very cool to watch. Also you improved your skill so heavily in comparisson to the first few months after release. Keep up the good work and return to german EPS :D
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On March 27 2011 08:21 FuSioN722 wrote:
In the FXO INV and TSL koreans have been dropping pretty quickly. This is either the era of foreigner confidence(awesome Goody!), or the era of a necesary patch for LAN. I hope it is the former, because I have been telling a lot of people I don't see what makes MC's midgame pvt unbeatable for example. It simply isn't. Jinro is awesome, and on the top foreigner level- look at how far hes gone, with tons of mistakes along the way. I almost think you should be able to pay extra money... to have the ability to custom across servers with LAN. That way serious players can have this option, and blizzard would still make the money they want.
Do you even know what LAN is?
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lag is an issue. but a minor one.
today's games were lost differently
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On March 27 2011 08:19 Chewie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 08:11 IntoTheWow wrote:On March 27 2011 08:09 dsousa wrote:On March 27 2011 07:59 Chill wrote:On March 27 2011 07:58 iExtrapolate wrote:
There were many moments in the game in which Naniwa repositioned his units to prepare for an attack at a non obvious position immediately before an attack occurred. Some people in this thread claim that this was purely intuition, but because the time at which the drop occurred and the time at which the stalkers were moved to position in which they could defend the drop was so close, if there were no map hacks, there was obviously a lot of luck involved. So the two explanations for the random preparedness of Naniwa are either that he has a great intuition and got lucky at several different times in the series or that he map hacked.
Considering that this is a tournament with a 5 figure prize pool and there is no way for the commentators to detect a map hacker, it is not without reason to assume that, in this tournament, they could exist. I think, for the sake of the legitimacy of this tournament, the replays from this series should be watched from Naniwa's vision to determine whether or not he map hacked. While I agree that it may be a little rash to outright accuse Naniwa of map hacking, it would be naive to just assume, that in all of those circumstances it was his intuition that prepared him for those non obvious attacks.
Are you serious? I asked a similar question a few days ago... and you asked this same question? "Are you serious?" Yes, people are serious about this. Why are you so sure this doesn't happen? Or are you just trying to shame skeptics from asking questions? You should follow up with...... "The reason I/we are sure that map hacking does not occur is because......." please fill in the blank..seriously! Way to interpret the post incorrectly. Read that ridiculous posts again and tell me it's a serious hacking accusation. It's a mild, ridiculous hacking accusation by someone who either didn't watch the games or knows little about how the game works. This might be true, but is it grounds for out right banning? He clearly stated an opinion that Naniwa was very lucky or maphacking. Whats the big deal? The mods here have become pretty goddamn fierce. + Show Spoiler +btw im not saying Naniwa was maphacking
Why should we tolerate people randomly accusing pros of map-hacking? Naniwa's first game reactions have clear explanations in scouting, second he lost and third he didn't react correctly at the start of the game to what Ret was doing. If the poster had doubts about how and why Naniwa reacted in the games, he could have easily stated/asked about this without ever mentioning map-hacking.
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On March 27 2011 08:17 Scila wrote:I hope you're trolling.
for me it is the best tournament so far
or can you think of any other tournament with souch an amazing Ro32?
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Wow crazy results yet again! I picked Nestea over Goody... but I felt pretty confident about Adel, Naniwa and qxc and I'm glad those 3 played out that way. Unfortunately I barely got to catch any of it, but I guess missing out on people constantly complaining was the one up side. Can't wait to see more.
Edit: Also I'm glad that at some point the Mods finally just said to stop complaining about the lag... there are some really awesome match ups going on and all many people seemed to focus on are the bad things out of anyones control.
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On March 27 2011 08:24 chrisolo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 08:20 Naniwa wrote:On March 27 2011 08:19 Chewie wrote:On March 27 2011 08:11 IntoTheWow wrote:On March 27 2011 08:09 dsousa wrote:On March 27 2011 07:59 Chill wrote:On March 27 2011 07:58 iExtrapolate wrote:
There were many moments in the game in which Naniwa repositioned his units to prepare for an attack at a non obvious position immediately before an attack occurred. Some people in this thread claim that this was purely intuition, but because the time at which the drop occurred and the time at which the stalkers were moved to position in which they could defend the drop was so close, if there were no map hacks, there was obviously a lot of luck involved. So the two explanations for the random preparedness of Naniwa are either that he has a great intuition and got lucky at several different times in the series or that he map hacked.
Considering that this is a tournament with a 5 figure prize pool and there is no way for the commentators to detect a map hacker, it is not without reason to assume that, in this tournament, they could exist. I think, for the sake of the legitimacy of this tournament, the replays from this series should be watched from Naniwa's vision to determine whether or not he map hacked. While I agree that it may be a little rash to outright accuse Naniwa of map hacking, it would be naive to just assume, that in all of those circumstances it was his intuition that prepared him for those non obvious attacks.
Are you serious? I asked a similar question a few days ago... and you asked this same question? "Are you serious?" Yes, people are serious about this. Why are you so sure this doesn't happen? Or are you just trying to shame skeptics from asking questions? You should follow up with...... "The reason I/we are sure that map hacking does not occur is because......." please fill in the blank..seriously! Way to interpret the post incorrectly. Read that ridiculous posts again and tell me it's a serious hacking accusation. It's a mild, ridiculous hacking accusation by someone who either didn't watch the games or knows little about how the game works. This might be true, but is it grounds for out right banning? He clearly stated an opinion that Naniwa was very lucky or maphacking. Whats the big deal? The mods here have become pretty goddamn fierce. + Show Spoiler +btw im not saying Naniwa was maphacking i have been told to not respond here by many people since they say i will get flamed, ill just try to clarify the issues you are having understanding this simple move on game 3 that i asume is what you mean by " maphack " , I just killed his third and it cost me alot of units. ofcourse ret wants to make counter-damage. is it too hard to grasp ? if its game 1, i had a zealot at tower. I find your PvZ Style is very cool to watch. Also you improved your skill so heavily in comparisson to the first few months after release. Keep up the good work and return to german EPS :D
yeah and back to some IEM in future, GL
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On March 27 2011 08:16 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:44 Ragoo wrote:On March 27 2011 07:41 RoseTempest wrote:On March 27 2011 07:36 vdale wrote:On March 27 2011 07:31 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:29 Tef wrote:On March 27 2011 07:24 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:23 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 27 2011 07:21 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:20 Shika wrote:
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Last game was hardly an upset.
I went 3/4 on my liquidbet tonight. Only missed on qxc's game, he has obviously improved by playing in europe. You are somehow proud you called goody vs nestea, fluke of the century. Go watch some of Goody's matches on gosugamers, and then come back and seriously tell me he is at half the level nestea is. What? How is he proud for one, and two, whaaaaaat? I also "called" GoOdy over NesTea because I'm smart No that is called luck, Goody would lose first round in Code A 9 out of 10 times. You seriously underestimate him. As most of his opponents do if they have never played him before. I've watched many of his games on gosugamers, I thought he was a low tier amateur then, and I still think he is now. You say under estimated, I say many people watch his games and realize hes bad. I agree with that majority. You are wrong. Goody has many flaws in his game, but he still defeats players who macro perfectly. No one cares if you think that someone is bad, if the one is winning tournaments left and right and defeating all top players (especially in TvT). I would bet on Goody in every TvT in the GSL, because you can't drop him and you can't play with mass marines against him and that's what all Koreans are doing right now. He also showed that he can take down the best Zerg players. Goody. Beating "all top players". in GSL. Look at this statistically, he has accomplished next to nothing before this tournament. He has yet to prove that he's not just some outlying statistic. Quick to jump on the bandwagon much. Wtf, next to nothing? He won by far the most tournaments in Europe this month and no Terran is able to stop him. I think Goody's playstyle is successful because of 1st: Its safe, low risk, so he can deliver constant results, that's why he is performing that well in tourneys. On the ladder you may play with high risk and still get a decent winrate. In a tourney you have to play consistent and safe (because if you loose 1 of 3 games (=66% winrate!) you are out). 2cnd: Its static and positional, so he is rather immune against lag, misclicks and human failure. Goody's style does not depend on luck and chance as most of the build played out there.
I don't know how safe it is to not even wall in on the best zerg in the world but whatever he still won.
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Do they release these replays?
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On March 27 2011 07:59 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:58 iExtrapolate wrote:
There were many moments in the game in which Naniwa repositioned his units to prepare for an attack at a non obvious position immediately before an attack occurred. Some people in this thread claim that this was purely intuition, but because the time at which the drop occurred and the time at which the stalkers were moved to position in which they could defend the drop was so close, if there were no map hacks, there was obviously a lot of luck involved. So the two explanations for the random preparedness of Naniwa are either that he has a great intuition and got lucky at several different times in the series or that he map hacked.
Considering that this is a tournament with a 5 figure prize pool and there is no way for the commentators to detect a map hacker, it is not without reason to assume that, in this tournament, they could exist. I think, for the sake of the legitimacy of this tournament, the replays from this series should be watched from Naniwa's vision to determine whether or not he map hacked. While I agree that it may be a little rash to outright accuse Naniwa of map hacking, it would be naive to just assume, that in all of those circumstances it was his intuition that prepared him for those non obvious attacks.
Are you serious?
Not intending to bash on you at all, as you did an awesome job casting today, but you did kind of make a big deal about Naniwa's unit placement, defence timing, etc that could have lead a lot of people to get the wrong idea.
I know a few of my less experienced friends jumped to the conclusion that Naniwa was watching the stream or cheating. Which is obviously impossible and highly improbable, but they didn't know that and just jumped to that conclusion based on your reactions and cheating comments (jokes that some people didn't get).
With so many viewers, and many noobs among them that sort of thing is going to happen if you aren't careful.
Something to think about maybe.
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what happened is that the skill gap is not that big and any decent foreigner in a good day can win against any korean.
QXC against Genius at Xel naga. OMG wtf was that, his reapers harassment was the best I have seen in SC2 so far.
Foreginers played really good and outplayed their opponents, as simple as that.
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Great games today . Thanks for having me along to cast again!
I just want to mention that I was extremely sick yesterday and was just recovering today. Definitely not my best cast by far but Chill was on it as always. Great work!
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On March 27 2011 08:26 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 08:16 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:On March 27 2011 07:44 Ragoo wrote:On March 27 2011 07:41 RoseTempest wrote:On March 27 2011 07:36 vdale wrote:On March 27 2011 07:31 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:29 Tef wrote:On March 27 2011 07:24 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:23 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 27 2011 07:21 Kvothe wrote:
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You are somehow proud you called goody vs nestea, fluke of the century. Go watch some of Goody's matches on gosugamers, and then come back and seriously tell me he is at half the level nestea is. What? How is he proud for one, and two, whaaaaaat? I also "called" GoOdy over NesTea because I'm smart No that is called luck, Goody would lose first round in Code A 9 out of 10 times. You seriously underestimate him. As most of his opponents do if they have never played him before. I've watched many of his games on gosugamers, I thought he was a low tier amateur then, and I still think he is now. You say under estimated, I say many people watch his games and realize hes bad. I agree with that majority. You are wrong. Goody has many flaws in his game, but he still defeats players who macro perfectly. No one cares if you think that someone is bad, if the one is winning tournaments left and right and defeating all top players (especially in TvT). I would bet on Goody in every TvT in the GSL, because you can't drop him and you can't play with mass marines against him and that's what all Koreans are doing right now. He also showed that he can take down the best Zerg players. Goody. Beating "all top players". in GSL. Look at this statistically, he has accomplished next to nothing before this tournament. He has yet to prove that he's not just some outlying statistic. Quick to jump on the bandwagon much. Wtf, next to nothing? He won by far the most tournaments in Europe this month and no Terran is able to stop him. I think Goody's playstyle is successful because of 1st: Its safe, low risk, so he can deliver constant results, that's why he is performing that well in tourneys. On the ladder you may play with high risk and still get a decent winrate. In a tourney you have to play consistent and safe (because if you loose 1 of 3 games (=66% winrate!) you are out). 2cnd: Its static and positional, so he is rather immune against lag, misclicks and human failure. Goody's style does not depend on luck and chance as most of the build played out there. I don't know how safe it is to not even wall in on the best zerg in the world but whatever he still won.
if he would be the best zerg he would have won, it was just BAD BAD decision making, like not attacking the fax, so tanks would die before siegen/doin damage
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On March 27 2011 08:26 Jayrod wrote:
Do they release these replays?
No, the replays aren't released for a variety of reasons, though mostly because this is a sponsored tournament and once they got out, some people would cast them without permission, causing some problems.
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I wasn't able to watch the games, could anyone tell me how what happened happened?
MVP getting 2-0'd by Adelscott???
QXC 2-0ing genius!?
GoOdy winning 2-1 vs Nestea?!
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On March 27 2011 08:26 Jayrod wrote:
Do they release these replays?
No.
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On March 27 2011 08:28 HuskyTheHusky wrote:Great games today . Thanks for having me along to cast again! I just want to mention that I was extremely sick yesterday and was just recovering today. Definitely not my best cast by far but Chill was on it as always. Great work!
great games? man this games were off the hook, ty for casting despite your illness, GL to recover soon
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On March 27 2011 08:25 Me1234 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 08:17 Scila wrote:On March 27 2011 07:23 RogueStatus wrote:
TSL3, best sc2 tournament thus far I hope you're trolling. for me it is the best tournament so far or can you think of any other tournament with souch an amazing Ro32?
The games were entertaining but not particularly high level, so it depends how you judge the games.
On March 27 2011 08:28 HuskyTheHusky wrote:Great games today . Thanks for having me along to cast again! I just want to mention that I was extremely sick yesterday and was just recovering today. Definitely not my best cast by far but Chill was on it as always. Great work!
Sounded fine to me, couldn't even tell.
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On March 27 2011 08:29 Seam wrote:
I wasn't able to watch the games, could anyone tell me how what happened happened?
MVP getting 2-0'd by Adelscott???
QXC 2-0ing genius!?
GoOdy winning 2-1 vs Nestea?!
bad decision making, and arguably lag issues
EDIT : lol, i forgot to mention that the foreigners played very very well and deserve it
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