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On March 27 2011 07:40 Ghost-z wrote:
I really believe that the proposed skill gap between the Koreans and the world is much smaller than many of us perceive.
Also a lot of relatively unknown players are grinding their way through TSL qualifiers and GSL code A ready to make a splash on the scene and take over some of the over-rated players.
Quite the opposite, as you can see by this thread alone, the vast majority actually believes Adelscott/Goody/QXC are the better players from the matchups and would do very good in GSL, if anything the proposed skill gap is much bigger than many of you perceive.
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On March 27 2011 07:42 JimSocks wrote:
these zergs probably aren't used to the new patch yet
what about the new patch that changes something on pvz? Chargelots? Infestors were buffed, but they are not essential...
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On March 27 2011 07:39 lurked wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:37 Durp wrote:On March 27 2011 07:36 blade55555 wrote:On March 27 2011 07:35 Influ wrote:
I really REALLY appreciate that a fan favorite zerg lost and this thread is not full off balance whines btw. lolol well thats because nestea lost due to some really retarded decisions  especially in that game 3. Or because Lag is the new Imba Trending #tsl on twitter. Tell your friends/other communities!
Hey guys, this thread is about the games, not about lag, or flaming players or other people's opinions!
-Come on, isn't it big and red enough?
First post was intended as sarcasm directed at the live report- which was polluted with "imba!" screams before today's "lag!" screams. Just a joke T_T
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On March 27 2011 07:40 Ragoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
His mech play is undoubtedly refined, but it's a one-trick pony. A one trick pony who is top 4 in like 50% of European weekly tournaments and has (arguably) the best TvT in Europe. Haters gonna hate. The fact that he can win with good strategies and decisionmaking even tho his mechanics are horrible just makes him such a great player and I love watching him for ingenious moves like in game 3.
A one-trick pony is a one-trick pony, or have we all forgotten Choya and Rain?
I don't hate Goody; pure mech play is my favorite tech path when playing Terran. But constantly leaving himself open to counter-attacks in Game 3? One building would have foiled it, and it never happened. If you move out to make a contain with mech, it's common sense to protect your expansions since you can't bounce back and forth between bases.
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why so much hate on Goody? EVERYBODY knows his mechanics aren't as koreans, but his decision making / execution (well not always, but still) / and his game KNOWLEDGE make him #1 Terran EU, so many underestimate him, u think he is bad because he has queues going on and is supply blocked? well, then you REALLY underestimate him
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On March 27 2011 07:41 RoseTempest wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:36 vdale wrote:On March 27 2011 07:31 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:29 Tef wrote:On March 27 2011 07:24 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:23 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 27 2011 07:21 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:20 Shika wrote:On March 27 2011 07:18 Owii wrote:
4 upsets? Last game was hardly an upset. I went 3/4 on my liquidbet tonight. Only missed on qxc's game, he has obviously improved by playing in europe. You are somehow proud you called goody vs nestea, fluke of the century. Go watch some of Goody's matches on gosugamers, and then come back and seriously tell me he is at half the level nestea is. What? How is he proud for one, and two, whaaaaaat? I also "called" GoOdy over NesTea because I'm smart No that is called luck, Goody would lose first round in Code A 9 out of 10 times. You seriously underestimate him. As most of his opponents do if they have never played him before. I've watched many of his games on gosugamers, I thought he was a low tier amateur then, and I still think he is now. You say under estimated, I say many people watch his games and realize hes bad. I agree with that majority. You are wrong. Goody has many flaws in his game, but he still defeats players who macro perfectly. No one cares if you think that someone is bad, if the one is winning tournaments left and right and defeating all top players (especially in TvT). I would bet on Goody in every TvT in the GSL, because you can't drop him and you can't play with mass marines against him and that's what all Koreans are doing right now. He also showed that he can take down the best Zerg players. Goody. Beating "all top players". in GSL. Look at this statistically, he has accomplished next to nothing before this tournament. He has yet to prove that he's not just some outlying statistic. Quick to jump on the bandwagon much.
Wtf, next to nothing? He won by far the most tournaments in Europe this month and no Terran is able to stop him.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Goodys TvZ gives me a lot of hope for SC2 - I hope he can show as nice timings TvP as well. It seems that when the right timing is hit, mech can actually have an SC1 like quality (game 3), where a small army can actually do something...
Surprised by the results but if we get more goody TvZ from it, Im not too disappointed. I have had to revise my opinion of goody lately (started with his games vs Dimaga a couple of weeks back in the finals of some tournament).
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The koreans actually gave us a good showing despite of the lag dissadvantage they were in so props to them . The first 3 series were really good .
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On March 27 2011 07:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Goodys TvZ gives me a lot of hope for SC2 - I hope he can show as nice timings TvP as well. It seems that when the right timing is hit, mech can actually have an SC1 like quality (game 3), where a small army can actually do something...
Surprised by the results but if we get more goody TvZ from it, Im not too disappointed. I have had to revise my opinion of goody lately (started with his games vs Dimaga a couple of weeks back in the finals of some tournament).
We shouldn't forgot Goody would have won Game 1 as well if he made 5 vikings and didnt lose 1500 gas against 9 unprotected brood lords.
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On March 27 2011 07:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Goodys TvZ gives me a lot of hope for SC2 - I hope he can show as nice timings TvP as well. It seems that when the right timing is hit, mech can actually have an SC1 like quality (game 3), where a small army can actually do something...
Surprised by the results but if we get more goody TvZ from it, Im not too disappointed. I have had to revise my opinion of goody lately (started with his games vs Dimaga a couple of weeks back in the finals of some tournament).
someone actually for goody, ty jinro, you are one of the fews , who actually know how good goody is.
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On March 27 2011 07:36 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:31 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:29 Tef wrote:On March 27 2011 07:24 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:23 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 27 2011 07:21 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:20 Shika wrote:On March 27 2011 07:18 Owii wrote:
4 upsets? Last game was hardly an upset. I went 3/4 on my liquidbet tonight. Only missed on qxc's game, he has obviously improved by playing in europe. You are somehow proud you called goody vs nestea, fluke of the century. Go watch some of Goody's matches on gosugamers, and then come back and seriously tell me he is at half the level nestea is. What? How is he proud for one, and two, whaaaaaat? I also "called" GoOdy over NesTea because I'm smart No that is called luck, Goody would lose first round in Code A 9 out of 10 times. You seriously underestimate him. As most of his opponents do if they have never played him before. I've watched many of his games on gosugamers, I thought he was a low tier amateur then, and I still think he is now. You say under estimated, I say many people watch his games and realize hes bad. I agree with that majority. You are wrong. Goody has many flaws in his game, but he still defeats players who macro perfectly. No one cares if you think that someone is bad, if the one is winning tournaments left and right and defeating all top players (especially in TvT). I would bet on Goody in every TvT in the GSL, because you can't drop him and you can't play with mass marines against him and that's what all Koreans are doing right now. He also showed that he can take down the best Zerg players.
Lol you have to be joking, you would bet on Goody in the GSL, have you watched the GSL? Did you seriously watch the last GSTL? You must not have watched the last games that were tvt, there is absolutely no fucking way, Goody could do what MMA and MVP were doing. If you mean he mechs out and pushes with auto repaired scvs following, then yes Goody is a master.
What tournaments is goody winning left and right? Go back and watch when he plays White-ra a month or so ago, he gets torn apart with multi harass. Play on a decent sized map, and hes going to get destroyed. Granted he did beat nestea, or more nestea beat himself. If Goody wins more than one more series in this tournament I'll eat my words.
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Lag?
Weren't the games alternating between servers when players were from different regions?
Didn't QXC vs Genius play on NA server game 1, then KOR server game 2? (then NA if game 3)
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On March 27 2011 07:41 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:38 CosmicSpiral wrote:On March 27 2011 07:35 Loooui wrote:
LOL
"low tier amateur"
Sure he dosnt have perfect macro, but his decision making is absolutely excellent. You think the low tier amateur just had luck this last week when he got teamliquid "tournament king" achievement?!
This was just another impressive performance by Goody.
Goody made bad decisions in his series, Nestea just made worse ones. His macro is not just "not perfect", it's atrocious. Yea I don't think people understand how bad goody's mechanics are but hey, w/e he's doing its obviously working for him.
Mech allows for lower effective APM, it's a slower style of play. Mech has fallen sharply out of popularity and NesTea to my knowledge hasn't played against a pure mech style in a very long time in a tournament setting.
It was simply NesTea not knowing the proper counter to an overwhelming amount of Mech. I don't see Goody going any further. You can get away with Mech against Zerg, but I don't think he'll be able to use the strike cannon against Immortals. He doesn't have the micro or the macro to handle a good protoss player.
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On March 27 2011 07:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Goodys TvZ gives me a lot of hope for SC2 - I hope he can show as nice timings TvP as well. It seems that when the right timing is hit, mech can actually have an SC1 like quality (game 3), where a small army can actually do something...
Surprised by the results but if we get more goody TvZ from it, Im not too disappointed. I have had to revise my opinion of goody lately (started with his games vs Dimaga a couple of weeks back in the finals of some tournament).
Jinro, I believe you got his style right - pure mech - maybe you could also try experimenting with that aswell? Everyone remembers your insane mech TvP versus MC at GSL january, so PLEASE do it?? :D :D
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On March 27 2011 07:45 raga4ka wrote:
The koreans actually gave us a good showing despite of the lag dissadvantage they were in so props to them . The first 3 series were really good .
no lag disadvantage tho, so not really a good showing
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Sweden33719 Posts
On March 27 2011 07:45 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Goodys TvZ gives me a lot of hope for SC2 - I hope he can show as nice timings TvP as well. It seems that when the right timing is hit, mech can actually have an SC1 like quality (game 3), where a small army can actually do something...
Surprised by the results but if we get more goody TvZ from it, Im not too disappointed. I have had to revise my opinion of goody lately (started with his games vs Dimaga a couple of weeks back in the finals of some tournament). We shouldn't forgot Goody would have won Game 1 as well if he made 5 vikings and didnt lose 1500 gas on 9 brood lords.
Goody would have gotten rolled game 1 even harder if nestea didnt suicide 20 roaches, and then suicided all his lings and banelings. I have no idea what he was doing there :p Game 3 was art tho.
On March 27 2011 07:46 ZeraToss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Goodys TvZ gives me a lot of hope for SC2 - I hope he can show as nice timings TvP as well. It seems that when the right timing is hit, mech can actually have an SC1 like quality (game 3), where a small army can actually do something...
Surprised by the results but if we get more goody TvZ from it, Im not too disappointed. I have had to revise my opinion of goody lately (started with his games vs Dimaga a couple of weeks back in the finals of some tournament). someone actually for goody, ty jinro, you are one of the fews , who actually know how good goody is.
I used to be really annoyed by him when he would have 3 factories with 3 tanks in each of them, every single game.... And still do "OK" in tournaments. Then he fixed that and now hes doing great, and he also obviously learned a shitload about the matchups as he hits superb timings seemingly blindly these days.
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On March 27 2011 07:41 RoseTempest wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:36 vdale wrote:On March 27 2011 07:31 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:29 Tef wrote:On March 27 2011 07:24 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:23 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 27 2011 07:21 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:20 Shika wrote:On March 27 2011 07:18 Owii wrote:
4 upsets? Last game was hardly an upset. I went 3/4 on my liquidbet tonight. Only missed on qxc's game, he has obviously improved by playing in europe. You are somehow proud you called goody vs nestea, fluke of the century. Go watch some of Goody's matches on gosugamers, and then come back and seriously tell me he is at half the level nestea is. What? How is he proud for one, and two, whaaaaaat? I also "called" GoOdy over NesTea because I'm smart No that is called luck, Goody would lose first round in Code A 9 out of 10 times. You seriously underestimate him. As most of his opponents do if they have never played him before. I've watched many of his games on gosugamers, I thought he was a low tier amateur then, and I still think he is now. You say under estimated, I say many people watch his games and realize hes bad. I agree with that majority. You are wrong. Goody has many flaws in his game, but he still defeats players who macro perfectly. No one cares if you think that someone is bad, if the one is winning tournaments left and right and defeating all top players (especially in TvT). I would bet on Goody in every TvT in the GSL, because you can't drop him and you can't play with mass marines against him and that's what all Koreans are doing right now. He also showed that he can take down the best Zerg players. Goody. Beating "all top players". in GSL. Look at this statistically, he has accomplished next to nothing before this tournament. He has yet to prove that he's not just some outlying statistic. Quick to jump on the bandwagon much.
dude... http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1221_GoOdy
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On March 27 2011 07:31 Kvothe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:29 Tef wrote:On March 27 2011 07:24 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:23 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 27 2011 07:21 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:20 Shika wrote:On March 27 2011 07:18 Owii wrote:
4 upsets? Last game was hardly an upset. I went 3/4 on my liquidbet tonight. Only missed on qxc's game, he has obviously improved by playing in europe. You are somehow proud you called goody vs nestea, fluke of the century. Go watch some of Goody's matches on gosugamers, and then come back and seriously tell me he is at half the level nestea is. What? How is he proud for one, and two, whaaaaaat? I also "called" GoOdy over NesTea because I'm smart No that is called luck, Goody would lose first round in Code A 9 out of 10 times. You seriously underestimate him. As most of his opponents do if they have never played him before. I've watched many of his games on gosugamers, I thought he was a low tier amateur then, and I still think he is now. You say under estimated, I say many people watch his games and realize hes bad. I agree with that majority.
so funny how people can call nestea the best zerg in the world, while he is losing to a " bad player" that just make you look hilarious.
of course you see matches from goody getting beaten pretty hard, but only from players who played him like a billion times before - and if the koreans are so confident in their uber-skill to beat non-koreans with no preparation its just their fault and they just deserve to get owned ;-)
btw: i although think that people getting blinded by what they see on the gsl. i mean playing 10hours standard play a day will most likely improve your mechanics but on the other side how often do you think nestea has to play against an only mech terran?
just my thoughts ;-)
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On March 27 2011 07:46 Kvothe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:36 vdale wrote:On March 27 2011 07:31 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:29 Tef wrote:On March 27 2011 07:24 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:23 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 27 2011 07:21 Kvothe wrote:On March 27 2011 07:20 Shika wrote:On March 27 2011 07:18 Owii wrote:
4 upsets? Last game was hardly an upset. I went 3/4 on my liquidbet tonight. Only missed on qxc's game, he has obviously improved by playing in europe. You are somehow proud you called goody vs nestea, fluke of the century. Go watch some of Goody's matches on gosugamers, and then come back and seriously tell me he is at half the level nestea is. What? How is he proud for one, and two, whaaaaaat? I also "called" GoOdy over NesTea because I'm smart No that is called luck, Goody would lose first round in Code A 9 out of 10 times. You seriously underestimate him. As most of his opponents do if they have never played him before. I've watched many of his games on gosugamers, I thought he was a low tier amateur then, and I still think he is now. You say under estimated, I say many people watch his games and realize hes bad. I agree with that majority. You are wrong. Goody has many flaws in his game, but he still defeats players who macro perfectly. No one cares if you think that someone is bad, if the one is winning tournaments left and right and defeating all top players (especially in TvT). I would bet on Goody in every TvT in the GSL, because you can't drop him and you can't play with mass marines against him and that's what all Koreans are doing right now. He also showed that he can take down the best Zerg players. Lol you have to be joking, you would bet on Goody in the GSL, have you watched the GSL? Did you seriously watch the last GSTL? You must not have watched the last games that were tvt, there is absolutely no fucking way, Goody could do what MMA and MVP were doing. If you mean he mechs out and pushes with auto repaired scvs following, then yes Goody is a master. What tournaments is goody winning left and right? Go back and watch when he plays White-ra a month or so ago, he gets torn apart with multi harass. Play on a decent sized map, and hes going to get destroyed. Granted he did beat nestea, or more nestea beat himself. If Goody wins more than one more series in this tournament I'll eat my words.
I think you should shut up if you think you can draw conclusions based off of today's games and tvp games a month ago about Goody's TvT. If you had a clue you would know that no EU terran has been able to stop him in recent memory and that he's dominating tournaments.
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