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butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
April 23 2011 16:11 GMT
#2521
I'm so giggling at people giving all the top zergs advices how to play ZvP.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
April 23 2011 16:11 GMT
#2522
this is so frustrating to watch
it has been proven now in the last couple of week that this playstyle ISN'T capable of winning against protoss 80% of the time.

yet 95% of the people still sticking to it because it's easy as shit smash larva key and roaches / corrupter and 1a into protoss

D :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
wat
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
April 23 2011 16:11 GMT
#2523
Morrow playing Caveman Zerg.
My strategy is to fork people.
Coolwhip
Profile Joined March 2011
927 Posts
April 23 2011 16:11 GMT
#2524
On April 24 2011 01:10 aruken wrote:
does kas-grubby have been played yet please?


After this.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 23 2011 16:11 GMT
#2525
--- Nuked ---
twisted03
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden137 Posts
April 23 2011 16:12 GMT
#2526
On April 24 2011 01:08 MattRz wrote:
I don't think MorroW is playing bad, he's not used to MC style.
He makes it look so simple.


This is like the third time they play.
MattRz
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile1680 Posts
April 23 2011 16:12 GMT
#2527
On April 24 2011 01:09 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 01:08 MattRz wrote:
I don't think MorroW is playing bad, he's not used to MC style.
He makes it look so simple.

He has played MC in 2 Best of threes already....he's faced MC more than most Koreans in televised matches.

True, but he's having a hard time.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake ♞
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
April 23 2011 16:12 GMT
#2528
On April 24 2011 01:09 cyclone25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 01:07 gnutz wrote:
Man, Morrows ZvP is so frustrating to watch.

Good Macro, good micro.

No understanding of Protoss. Or Zergs abiities.

Infestors, man
INFESTORS GRARGL

(and harrass/drops)


Morrow: "ive been practicing this matchup almost exlusivly the past weeks and still my winratio in zvt is about 20% higher than in zvp. ive practiced mutalisk play, ive tried multipromt attacks and nyduses. and high infestor play. but the overpower style is the absolute best way (and most solid imo) to play this matchup"

Probably because the people he is playing aren't awesome at protoss.

Of course, if your mechanics is miles ahead of your opponent you can throw whatever at him and overpower him.
revoN
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan804 Posts
April 23 2011 16:12 GMT
#2529
On April 24 2011 01:11 AxionSteel wrote:
If MorroW really is turning into an IdrA clone he'll 6 pool and quit here.


If he turned to IdrA he would actually use Infestors you know...
StarCraft도 Quake도 좋아해요.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 23 2011 16:12 GMT
#2530
It's getting a little silly how little credibility commentators/spectators are giving zerg players right now. Every time a zerg gets rolled in the late game they get bashed on for getting the wrong units, when they get brood lords they get bashed on for not having enough ground to cover against blink stalkers etc, etc.

Morrow plays zerg for a profession. He masses an insane amount of games. If he plays a certain way it's probably because that's what he deems most successful at this time, and the fact that it doesn't work against the best player in the world means absolutely nothing.
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
April 23 2011 16:12 GMT
#2531
On April 24 2011 01:10 Jyvblamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 01:01 hifriend wrote:
Guys, I think it's safe to assume that morrow who plays zerg as a profession is well aware of infestors.

But maybe he doesn't know the hotkey for them? ;]


More like he knows how bad they are against protoss. Much better than you or me.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
April 23 2011 16:12 GMT
#2532
On April 24 2011 01:10 cENTRYZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 01:09 Logros wrote:
Just look at the difference between Morrows play and Mondragon for example. Mondragon is so much more aggresive with drops, nydus, counter-attacks all over the place. That way you keep the protoss army down in supply and it's easier to handle when he has to split up.

and still morrow is more successfull then moondragon... hmm


This is about the ZvP matchup, I wouldn't call Morrows play of banging his head against the wall with endless roaches to be 'succesful'.
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
April 23 2011 16:12 GMT
#2533
To those who think mass Roach is all-in:
It's a strong 2 base opening which allows you to put a lot of pressure on Protoss while taking a 3rd/4th. It's not all-in.
manicshock
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada741 Posts
April 23 2011 16:13 GMT
#2534
On April 24 2011 01:10 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 01:09 Jibba wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:06 desderak wrote:
ffs, cant morrow get a break

Morrow got a huge break. MC carelessly blinked his stalkers into hydras and got them all killed. The fight shouldn't have been so close.


Units with 9 range dealing infinite damage kind of close that gap pretty fast.


More like you run a million dollars into a woodchipper so you can glue together two dollars afterwards. Should've killed stalkers and retreated.
Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
April 23 2011 16:13 GMT
#2535
On April 24 2011 01:11 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 01:10 cENTRYZ wrote:
On April 24 2011 01:09 Logros wrote:
Just look at the difference between Morrows play and Mondragon for example. Mondragon is so much more aggresive with drops, nydus, counter-attacks all over the place. That way you keep the protoss army down in supply and it's easier to handle when he has to split up.

and still morrow is more successfull then moondragon... hmm

exactly, especially he's not playing cruncher or similar

Morrow lost to Hasuobs, and Morrow himself complimented Mondragon on his games.
qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
April 23 2011 16:13 GMT
#2536
so frustrating to watch : (
DeMusliM !!!
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
April 23 2011 16:13 GMT
#2537
Morrow is the most unflexible and stubborn player I have ever seen. Why does he go ever single game 14/14 vs FE toss? And getting 3rd when toss gets his 3rd as well. You just can't win vs. superior player if you play soooo safe..
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
April 23 2011 16:13 GMT
#2538
Wasn't seeing morrow's great macro here. And his tactics and strategy were both really unreasonable.

There's nothing tricky about MC's robo unit composition. You want only like ~4 colossi at a time. When you have 4 and they are making roaches, you make immortals. When you don't have 4 and you damaged their corruptor squad, you make colossi.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Seronei
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden991 Posts
April 23 2011 16:13 GMT
#2539
On April 24 2011 01:12 Vorenius wrote:

Probably because the people he is playing aren't awesome at protoss.

Of course, if your mechanics is miles ahead of your opponent you can throw whatever at him and overpower him.

Pretty certain he's practicing with naniwa.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
April 23 2011 16:13 GMT
#2540
On April 24 2011 01:07 Tsubbi wrote:
Has there been an equivalant matchup like zvp in bw that is as hard for one race? If so, has it been changed or have new playstyles developed?

In wc3 basically everyone agreed in the later stages that orc vs ud is way in orc's favor (every orc agreed as well), blizzard didn't change anything though at that point.


in BW, TvZ can reach a point where Terran splits half the map and Zerg can't break through all the minefields, siege tank lines, and Irradiate snipes of Defilers, but this point isn't reached by Terran as often as Protoss's cost efficiency in SC2 becoming too much for Zerg to overcome

PvZ is a whole lot worse for Zerg in SC2
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