Two all terran groups! So we can weed out some of them... nothing against terran, just has been too T stacked lately. Also, Huk dodged all the champions! Still a tough group and PvP can be a crap shoot, but we might have another foreigner in code S!
On March 11 2011 20:43 Telcontar wrote: f10esqftw, go through your OP and fix the TLPDs.
MKP is T Virus is T Ace is P Losira is Z Genius is P Rainbow is T Banbans is P Killer/SangHo is P
Seriously man, you need to make a little effort.
Seriously man, I posted this moments ago, literally seconds after the groups were finalized. I'm seriously adding clans and doing other edits while you're complaining. I hope it frustrates you that I'm still not fixing the races for another minute because I have to respond to your very serious comment.
On March 11 2011 20:43 Telcontar wrote: f10esqftw, go through your OP and fix the TLPDs.
MKP is T Virus is T Ace is P Losira is Z Genius is P Rainbow is T Banbans is P Killer/SangHo is P
Seriously man, you need to make a little effort.
Seriously man, I posted this moments ago, literally seconds after the groups were finalized. I'm seriously adding clans and doing other edits while you're complaining. I hope it frustrates you that I'm still not fixing the races for another minute because I have to respond to your very serious comment.
I understand your intention to get the news out as quickly as possible but you should be priotising quality and accuracy over speed. One or two mistakes are understandable but completely looking over things doesn't really help anyone does it? Just make sure you proof read what you post. Oh and maybe I could've worded my initial complaint better so I apologise if I've offended you.
Huk can't be happy about the 2 PvPs and having to play InCa either. Hopefully him and InCa just play a shit ton so that if either of them lose they'll just destroy chOya.
Funny how some of the best matchups from all of GSL will be in the Up & Downs, gotta say I'm looking forward to SlayerS_Alicia vs Mvp more than anything. Shame these aren't Best of 5's, 2-3 games determining placement is rough.
My predictions: Group A: HuK, Inca, Choya Bit of a dice roll here, Choya's the worst of the bunch, but anything can happen.
Group B: Leenock, Nestea, MKP Leenock is good, but Nestea and MKP, c'mon.
Group C: Virus, FruitDealer, Ace Virus has yet to impress me. If FD manages to lose this one, I'll have to admit he's definitely fallen off (... he better take this).
Group D: Killer, Zenio, BoxeR BoxeR has a shot, but it'll be tough... hope I'm wrong here
Group E: Alicia, Mvp, Genius Genius has never impressed me (despite winning Blizzcon), while Alicia has shown some amazing play, also taking out ST_Bomber on his way to these Up & Downs. As for Mvp, nothing needs to be said.
Group F: Rain, Top, Hyperdub One of the weaker groups, Hyperdub is the weakest of the three.
Group G: SuperNoVa, Polt, TheBest Hard one to call, between Polt and TheBest, but I think Polt will pull through.
Group H: LosirA, BanBans, Rainbow Another tough one (between BansBans/Rainbow), going with Rainbow though.
Argh is was really hoping Leenock was going to code S again but he has a hard group. Interesting choices of Supernova though, he thinks TvT is his best matchup?
Does anyone else think that it's kinda good to be picked by a code a finalist? Because even if the code a finalist wins, you're going to get to play another code s scrub. Whereas if you're in the random draw, you might get sandwiched between a strong code a player and mvp.
This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
Group B is the "death group" in my opnion, but there are other solid groups and this is getting set to be the most hype Up & Down event till this date. So many upsets in Code S could only result on having such beastly groups set for this matches.
Oh and btw, HuK has a lot of work ahead of him, his groups isnt easy at all. Best of luck for him.
On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote: This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
Since Supernova got to the finals, he got to choose 2 players to his group. Groups A-F were random. Just wanted to clear that up.
On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote: This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
whilest i am thinking like you, that the gsl setup is retarded, my suggestion would be LESS seeds. like only top 4 get a seed into ro16, rest has to go through ro64 (group stages?) or even lower. that way the good players have a chance to qualify each season and the best get rewarded.
To you guys arguing about good players not getting a chance with the current GSL system.... dude, they had their chance and they botched it when they got owned in group stages. Now they're getting yet another chance in the up/down.
The system is set up so that it's really really difficult to get in from nothing, but somewhat hard to get out if you're already code S.. you have to lose the first round, then lose up/down matches, then you're still in code A next season and have to lose the first round again to get knocked completely out... at which point you're no longer a good player so you can't say that it's a good player 'randomly getting knocked out'.
On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote: This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
Nestea can only blame himself for losing to players which he should supposedly roflstomp, same for mkp. If it was san/ensnare/sc instead of nestea/mkp, u guys wouldnt have complained this much
On March 11 2011 23:16 Daniel C wrote: Is being the second code s player also random? Becuase the first code s player gets 2 chances to stay in code s whereas the 2nd player only gets 1...
No. If you went 0-2(or 0-3) you are placed fourth in your group which means you only get one chance.
On March 11 2011 21:25 Chriscras wrote: A.K.A. News Flash: Moletrap and DOA are casting Code A next season.
Seriously? That would be awesome!
Kinda feel bad for Leenock and Alicia to draw such tough groups. Some really good players will go down to Code A while some weak ones will go to Code S.
On March 11 2011 23:54 BoxedLunch wrote: how exactly do these work? each group plays round robin, and the top 2 go to code S, bottom to code A?
No, the first two play a bo3, winner goes to Code S and loser plays against the other guy in another bo3 where the winner also goes to Code S and Loser to Code A.
On March 11 2011 23:54 BoxedLunch wrote: how exactly do these work? each group plays round robin, and the top 2 go to code S, bottom to code A?
No, the code A and the 3rd place from code S play a BO3, winner goes to code S. Loser of that match plays against the 4th place in code S, winner goes to code S and loser goes to code A.
So code A/3rd place player drops down to code A if they lose two BO3, 4th place drops down if he loses one BO3.
The Mvp, Alicia, Genius group is the most interesting I think. I really think Genius or Alicia have it in them to stop Mvp, so we'll see I guess. He is 'the game genie' but his TvP has yet to be fully tested against top PvTers (according to TLPD; MC, Squirtle and San)
I'm curious how Huk and Inca will handle their matchup because they are on the same team. That will kind of mess up their training or perhaps they will even train together in hope that they can both defeat choya?
On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote: This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
This is why you must play your best every match.
This is the best way to "force" players into improving their game play.
This is by far better system. Compare Western Tourneys where "better players" to hug it out and then blabering about their excuses.
You deliver or you dont, this is how it is in all competitive sport, as soon as you try to handicap "favorites" it all becomes artificial and fake.
On March 12 2011 00:06 brentsen wrote: I'm curious how Huk and Inca will handle their matchup because they are on the same team. That will kind of mess up their training or perhaps they will even train together in hope that they can both defeat choya?
I think their up/down matches are much harder than their Code S group they got knocked out from.
Everyone will definitely be on top of their game!!
<333 GSL
you obviously have an agenda against IM players. But that's another story..
MVP and Nestea have 2 chances to stay in Code-S and this time in a BoX. Additionally, MVP has to practice only 1 match up, while Alicia and Genius have to practice for PvP also.
I think their up/down matches are much harder than their Code S group they got knocked out from.
Everyone will definitely be on top of their game!!
<333 GSL
you obviously have an agenda against IM players. But that's another story..
MVP and Nestea have 2 chances to stay in Code-S and this time in a BoX. Additionally, MVP has to practice only 1 match up, while Alicia and Genius have to practice for PvP also.
Just Mvp He is unbelivable strong player but Protoss have best chances against him right now, so his game against Genius will be very important.
I love NesTea, but for some reason I think MKP will destroy him this time around. So match against Leenock will be vital.
Any how......cant wait for all the matches!!!!!!!!!
Hmm, sucks for Leenock. I don't see him winning unless MKP and Nestea really are slumping. Inca is a god at PvP, but HuK has a shot vs Choya. Sucks for Alicia, he is really dam good. Although genius seems to be pretty bad lately. and lol, rain possibly in code S again?
On March 11 2011 23:16 Daniel C wrote: Is being the second code s player also random? Becuase the first code s player gets 2 chances to stay in code s whereas the 2nd player only gets 1...
No. If you went 0-2(or 0-3) you are placed fourth in your group which means you only get one chance.
Thanks, but then why is MKP "4th" but Inca "3rd" even though they both went 1-2?
For all of the PvP, HuK did not get the toughest group. Leenock, did, and it's insane that he, NesTea, and MKP are in one group. It's actually really appalling, because either TheBest or Polt are going to go back into Code S. That's the chobo group.
C, D, E, and F are all really close. H is somewhat less so, but I suppose BanBans and RainBOw may be closer than I think.
Can't really complain. NesTea, MVP, and MK all got to pick their groups in code S and all didn't deliver. This is what they get it, isn't made to be super fair/easy. Deal with it
On March 11 2011 23:16 Daniel C wrote: Is being the second code s player also random? Becuase the first code s player gets 2 chances to stay in code s whereas the 2nd player only gets 1...
No. If you went 0-2(or 0-3) you are placed fourth in your group which means you only get one chance.
Thanks, but then why is MKP "4th" but Inca "3rd" even though they both went 1-2?
Because in the match they played against each other (included in that 1-2 score), MKP lost.
Ew, PvP hell for Huk. Good luck my pillow-wielding friend. Apart from that, I think the groups are for the most part at least interesting. There should be some good games here, only group B is a total washout.
Boxer will need to improve is TvZ if he wants a chance to stay in codeS. I would be really sad to see him in the up and down , but it really looks possible :'( .
On March 11 2011 23:16 Daniel C wrote: Is being the second code s player also random? Becuase the first code s player gets 2 chances to stay in code s whereas the 2nd player only gets 1...
No. If you went 0-2(or 0-3) you are placed fourth in your group which means you only get one chance.
Thanks, but then why is MKP "4th" but Inca "3rd" even though they both went 1-2?
MKP lost to Inca, making him fourth of their group!
On March 12 2011 01:15 EnderCraft wrote: Man such horrible picks for some of the top code A people : / What were they thinking...
You think SuperNova and Losira picked the wrong people? I'm amazed you think that or you are misunderstanding that every code A player picks their players in their up and down matches.
On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote: This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
Say whaaat??? Do you even follow the GSL and its seedings?
Nestea and MKP preformed badly and have no one but themselves to blame. MvP had a pretty tough group, but because of the seedings. He still lost to a Code A Ro8 player! If any conclusions can be drawn from the current GSL (where 6 of the top 8 is from Up & Down matches), then it is that past achievements is greatly overrated in terms of future performance. This game is too young to have "bonjwas".
Up and coming players are already have a very hard time getting into the top tourneys because of the many invite slots to each event. Please don't encourage more MLG-like structures.
It's hardly possible to have more seeding than GSL already do. Stronger seedings fore Code S players would only be given because of sentimental attachment, not skill. If you are a good enough player, you should be able to qualify for a tournament by your on strength.
Lozhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiraaaa!! It's so awesome when you root for someone from the very beginning and he ends up winning the whole thing. Let's hope he pwns code S after he does nasty things to BannyBanny and RainbowBoi
There's so many good Code S players in the up/downs this season (MKP, NesTea, MVP, Genius, FD, Rainbow, Choya) that I don't see many Code A'ers getting out.
On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote: This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
Say whaaat??? Do you even follow the GSL and its seedings?
Nestea and MKP preformed badly and have no one but themselves to blame. The same goes for MvP who even got to pick the opponent he then lost to. If any conclusions can be drawn from the current GSL (where 6 of the top 8 is from Up & Down matches), then it is that past achievements is greatly overrated in terms of future performance. This game is too young to have "bonjwas".
Up and coming players are already have a very hard time getting into the top tourneys because of the many invite slots to each event. Please don't encourage more MLG-like structures.
It's hardly possible to have more seeding than GSL already do. Stronger seedings fore Code S players would only be given because of sentimental attachment, not skill. If you are a good enough player, you should be able to qualify for a tournament by your on strength.
MVP and MKP beat the opponents that they picked. However, I do agree with you that they played badly.
idk why people are saying HuK has a hard group....yes it's PvP but 99% comes down to who has the better micro/control...and last time I remember, HuK has "top 3 control in the world."
InCa and HuK will advance IMO....choya has yet to impress me....who loses to a zerg player that only had ONE zergling when the push comes
LeenockfOu has the toughest group...it does suck how the system is being played though because we WILL see either TheBest or PoltPrime still in code S
On March 11 2011 21:16 ForTheDr3am wrote: Unless Huk chokes he should make it into Code S easily. From what I have seen, his control is far superior to choya, and he can take on Inca as well.
Thanks for the post, this is going to be NUTS. So many good players will not be able to advance... because there are so many good players! Leenock looks like another season of Code A, FD might not make it out and Huk has a relatively easy group, but still no slouches in his up and down either.
Unbelievable how many S+ class players are going to be in the up and downs.
IIRC, isn't this season supposed to be the last for ST_Rainbow? At least for the time being since he has to join the armed forces for mandatory conscription?
I think .kv has a point about how it's sort of retarded that we will see 2 of the worst players remain in code S since the winner and runner-up of code A can select who they want to be in their group and obviously they pick from the weakest players in code S. This means that even if the code A winner and runner-up qualify it still leaves a bad code S player still in code S. I think it's a shame that there will be code S players from group G and H remaining in code S when there are far tougher groups with 3 players more deserving of code S.
In other good news, since PvP is sort of a coinflip I think the odds bode well for Huk, especially since early game it can often be similar to BW ZvZ micro battles and I think Huk has great micro. I wouldn't say choya or Inca are top notch players either. Go Huk!
On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote: This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
This is why you must play your best every match.
This is the best way to "force" players into improving their game play.
This is by far better system. Compare Western Tourneys where "better players" to hug it out and then blabering about their excuses.
You deliver or you dont, this is how it is in all competitive sport, as soon as you try to handicap "favorites" it all becomes artificial and fake.
Almost every game or sport has a system to protect higher level players. It is generally deemed more fun if high level players don't fall off straight away, if the best players meet eachother in the last stages of tournaments it provides the most fun, hence the reason for seeding.
A big reason for this is that the outcome of a game is not simply skill alone. Luck plays a big role if you like it or not. In GSL this can especially be seen in the first group phase, a great player (MVP) only has to face one player who is better then him that day (July) and he is already out of the tournament and has to play up/down matches after he dominated the previous system. Comparing this to sports it's like saying Federer should play qualifiers for the next grand slam after losing the first round in one, it's completely rediculous. On the other hand the system is too protective for players who have never been really good but just get by a little bit. The guy who made the GSL system is simply completely oblivious to what makes a good system. Everyone wants to be seeing the top players meet eachother in the last stages of the GSL, this system simply does not support that..
hyperdub gives us epic games in codeS. Problem is he never wins them. I like BansBans or w/e to win over rainbow. Rainbow has played quiet horribly lately.
I also expect FruitDealer to lose, his play has been really gimmicky lately, and not very creative unlike Season 1. I think people figured out how to deal with the mix of zerg units now, and Fruitdealer hasn't come up with anything new (he's been figured out to an extent).
I like Leenock to win, not sure against who though. Perhaps nestea just on the basis that zvz is the most violitale matchup there is in RTS games.
lol ppl losing faith in mvp. In term of TvP,in the last 2 games he roflstomped MC and barely lost a long ass game to Squirtle (who played his 400% then). Alicia & Genius are no match for mvp, none of the remained 21 players are.
On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote: This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
Say whaaat??? Do you even follow the GSL and its seedings?
Nestea and MKP preformed badly and have no one but themselves to blame. MvP had a pretty tough group, but because of the seedings. He still lost to a Code A Ro8 player! If any conclusions can be drawn from the current GSL (where 6 of the top 8 is from Up & Down matches), then it is that past achievements is greatly overrated in terms of future performance. This game is too young to have "bonjwas".
Up and coming players are already have a very hard time getting into the top tourneys because of the many invite slots to each event. Please don't encourage more MLG-like structures.
It's hardly possible to have more seeding than GSL already do. Stronger seedings fore Code S players would only be given because of sentimental attachment, not skill. If you are a good enough player, you should be able to qualify for a tournament by your on strength.
I'm just saying GSL has the wrong form of protection for their top players. The real top that have consistently done well in the last few GSLs (Nestea, MKP, MVP etc.) should be protected more while the rest of the code S players should get less protection, ie they shouldn't be safe just because they make it to ro16. I do agree that getting into Code S is too hard or better said too random. Code A shouldn't be a knockout tournament but a league or a poul system. Getting a bad matchup or bad game in the code A tournament can mean you immediately have to wait at least 1 GSL to get a shot a code A again. Also the fact that getting 3rd or 4th in your group matters so much is totally stupid. MKP got unlucky to get 4th with a 1-2 result and now he will only have 1 shot to retain his status. It is quite likely that MKP or Nestea will drop to code A as Leenock will have to lose 2 subsequent Bo3's to not make it. I definately give it at least 30% for Leenock to win one of potential 2 BO3s...
Just give more protection to the top and a lot less protection to the middle guys and let code A be a bit more fair.
Tbh I don't think Code S players need to be babysat. The current system is fine and it is more protective of Code S players than it is encouraging to Code A.
Don't really agree with how GOM does the up/down match picking process. As we can see, some terrible players from LosirA/SuperNoVa's groups are still going to be in Code S when they obviously don't deserve it. Meanwhile due to randomness' random nature, Leenock is completely fucked.
What they should do:
Code A Winner chooses the first member of his group. Code A Runner-up chooses the first member of his group. 3rd & 4th place Code A players choose the first members of their groups (can randomize the order here, won't make much of a difference) Then 5th-8th pick the first members of their groups.
Then go back through to get the rest of the groups finalized. It still means that 1st and 2nd in Code A get to pick extremely weak players, and the only need to beat that first player to advance to Code S. There is no reason to let them pick two weak players, it just means that Code S will be a little weaker next season. At the same time it means that there is a tangible benefit to getting to the Ro4 as opposed to the Ro8.
IMO, it doesn't really decrease the value of winning Code A either, do you really think LosirA needs a 2nd chance after facing BanBans? Or that SuperNoVa won't demolish PoltPrime? Meanwhile either TSL_Rain or oGsHyperdub will be in Code S when neither belong there.
The formatting of the up/down matches leaves a lot to be desired.
On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote: This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
Say whaaat??? Do you even follow the GSL and its seedings?
Nestea and MKP preformed badly and have no one but themselves to blame. MvP had a pretty tough group, but because of the seedings. He still lost to a Code A Ro8 player! If any conclusions can be drawn from the current GSL (where 6 of the top 8 is from Up & Down matches), then it is that past achievements is greatly overrated in terms of future performance. This game is too young to have "bonjwas".
Up and coming players are already have a very hard time getting into the top tourneys because of the many invite slots to each event. Please don't encourage more MLG-like structures.
It's hardly possible to have more seeding than GSL already do. Stronger seedings fore Code S players would only be given because of sentimental attachment, not skill. If you are a good enough player, you should be able to qualify for a tournament by your on strength.
I'm just saying GSL has the wrong form of protection for their top players. The real top that have consistently done well in the last few GSLs (Nestea, MKP, MVP etc.) should be protected more while the rest of the code S players should get less protection, ie they shouldn't be safe just because they make it to ro16. I do agree that getting into Code S is too hard or better said too random. Code A shouldn't be a knockout tournament but a league or a poul system. Getting a bad matchup or bad game in the code A tournament can mean you immediately have to wait at least 1 GSL to get a shot a code A again. Also the fact that getting 3rd or 4th in your group matters so much is totally stupid. MKP got unlucky to get 4th with a 1-2 result and now he will only have 1 shot to retain his status. It is quite likely that MKP or Nestea will drop to code A as Leenock will have to lose 2 subsequent Bo3's to not make it. I definately give it at least 30% for Leenock to win one of potential 2 BO3s...
Just give more protection to the top and a lot less protection to the middle guys and let code A be a bit more fair.
I'd like it better if they just had one tournament like the OSL and MSL. They can open up half the spots in what is now the Code S tournament to the top players in what is now the Code A tournament. That way good players don't have to wait an extra season to get to the top or make it back up while weaker players get thrown out faster but have a chance to come back.
Given that HuK only has to practice PvP for TSL and GSL, I think he should be quite well prepared; especially if he prepares with MC.
Leenock did get ridiculously unlucky, and whoever comes out of that group pretty much wins Code A next season.
Given that I'm a starcraft nubile all i hear about BoxeR are fantasies of days gone by when he was a gaming demigod, so it'd be cool to see him roflstomp his group.
Group A: If Huk gets enough practice in a and with a bit of luck he should be able to take down Inca or Choya getting him into code S but between Inca and Choya I will have to go with Inca. So we might see Choya head to Code A if he doesnt show some good games.
Group B This is the probably one of the harder groups. Leenock has to play a ZvZ first and Nestea is unbeaten in ZvZ so he might have to go up against MKP, and MKP is no easy opponent. So Leenock might head back to Code A unless the curse returns and MKP/Nestea mess up and head to Code A.
Group C Virus Ace
Group D Killer Boxer
Group E Alicia MvP
Group F TOP Hyperdub
Group G Supernova Best
Group H Losira Rainbow
Just too tired atm to stay why for each one but hey the curse could return and a lot of legends fall into Code A.
On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote: This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
Say whaaat??? Do you even follow the GSL and its seedings?
Nestea and MKP preformed badly and have no one but themselves to blame. MvP had a pretty tough group, but because of the seedings. He still lost to a Code A Ro8 player! If any conclusions can be drawn from the current GSL (where 6 of the top 8 is from Up & Down matches), then it is that past achievements is greatly overrated in terms of future performance. This game is too young to have "bonjwas".
Up and coming players are already have a very hard time getting into the top tourneys because of the many invite slots to each event. Please don't encourage more MLG-like structures.
It's hardly possible to have more seeding than GSL already do. Stronger seedings fore Code S players would only be given because of sentimental attachment, not skill. If you are a good enough player, you should be able to qualify for a tournament by your on strength.
I'm just saying GSL has the wrong form of protection for their top players. The real top that have consistently done well in the last few GSLs (Nestea, MKP, MVP etc.) should be protected more while the rest of the code S players should get less protection, ie they shouldn't be safe just because they make it to ro16. I do agree that getting into Code S is too hard or better said too random. Code A shouldn't be a knockout tournament but a league or a poul system. Getting a bad matchup or bad game in the code A tournament can mean you immediately have to wait at least 1 GSL to get a shot a code A again. Also the fact that getting 3rd or 4th in your group matters so much is totally stupid. MKP got unlucky to get 4th with a 1-2 result and now he will only have 1 shot to retain his status. It is quite likely that MKP or Nestea will drop to code A as Leenock will have to lose 2 subsequent Bo3's to not make it. I definately give it at least 30% for Leenock to win one of potential 2 BO3s...
Just give more protection to the top and a lot less protection to the middle guys and let code A be a bit more fair.
If they're not performing up to their standards they shouldn't be protected. If they want to earn top money they have to earn it and continue proving that they are worthy.
I think it's all fair though. I saw the draw process, it was so disciplined, open and organized that it was impossible to fake. They even located caster cameras at an angle which allows spectators to see the draw bin 100% of the time. There was no camera which failed to spot the jar once the process began.
As to people who say that randomness isn't fair, then sports are not for you in general. Moreover, life is not likely to be successful for you guys, sorry.
I like the current GSL system, and I think there should be no "protection" for veteran players or former GSL champions. Everyone has to fight for it, everyone gets a chance. This may cause upsets, sure (but I'd argue that those aren't neccessarily a bad thing to happen), but it also creates opportunities for newer players (think Losira) or those that managed to improve vastly (think San) to show their worth.
Imagine a protection system were in place and one of the "big names" would hit a massive slump. MKP would suddenly fail at microing, MVP would stop macroing and NesTea would all-in all day long. Would you want to see those games? Should worthier players be denied spots in Code S just because other people achieved things in the past? No.
The current system isn't perfect obviously since it still has some loopholes - some mediocre players manage to stay in Code S every now and then. But that can't be avoided unless everyone's willing to play (and watch) a much larger number of games to truly determine skill.
What the eff man? Nestea and MKP in the same group? So may be 1 or 2 of them have to play in Code A? My prediction: Group A: Inca will take this for sure B: Nestea or MKP, but i think Nestea has 60% to advance. C: Ace got this D: Zenio E: hard one, Alicia is very good in PvT, but sorry MVP is a beast! F: TOP G: SuperNova H:Losira ofc!
On March 12 2011 03:58 hitman133 wrote: What the eff man? Nestea and MKP in the same group? So may be 1 or 2 of them have to play in Code A? My prediction: Group A: Inca will take this for sure B: Nestea or MKP, but i think Nestea has 60% to advance. C: Ace got this D: Zenio E: hard one, Alicia is very good in PvT, but sorry MVP is a beast! F: TOP G: SuperNova H:Losira ofc!
There is always that one group that makes you sigh because you realize a weaker player will be playing Code S while a more capable player drops down to Code A -.-
Some champions might even end up in Code A. I doubt they will but the possibility is there.
Does anyone else agree that the top 4 in Code A should get to choose the first person in their group? I mean, Leenock got a ridiculously hard group after almost going all the way through code A. What's the point of getting top 4 in a 32 man tournament if you're going to basically be punished for it in the up/down matches? Huk got an easier group even though he got knocked out before leenock! (nothing against huk, just saying that leenock has it rough) :/
On March 12 2011 04:27 iruehl wrote: Man so many terran, i hope they get knock out, because Terran vs Terran match is soooo boring.
because PvP and ZvZ are better, right?
I actually like TvT better than either PvP or ZvZ, but I still hope some Terrans get knocked out. It's just the fact that if all the Terrans get through (obviously not including 2 due to all TvT matches) we will have 16 Terran in a field of 32. That's a lot of Terran games. I'd like a bit more variety.
You know what kinda sucks is that theres no reward for getting to the round of 4. Feel like they should revise that a bit.
Round of 8: Access to up down matches Round of 4: Pick one opponent. (after 1&2 pick their groups) Finals: Pick Both opponents Winner of Code A: Pick both, first.
However i believe in Leenock, I think the group is more even than it seems. MKP Only looked as good as he did vs Kyrix cause he killed like 14 drones at the 3 min mark.
While i wouldn't blame anyone for thinking that Nestea is going to destroy Leenock Zvz. Losira did play very much like Nestea in that series. If Leenock learns from those games i would expect them to be at least be fairly competitive.
So currently in code S we have 5P (MC/HongUn/San/Tester/Anypro), 7T (Byun, Jinro, Clide, Nada, SC, Ensnare, Lyn), and 4Z (July, Check, TheWind, Kyrix).
And I'm thinking the up/down will likely (or in same cases hopefully) go:
Which would bring the race distribution in code S to 9p, 15t, 8z in the Ro32.
The problem is right now is not necessarily that T is too strong, but that there are simply way more, so the lower skill terrans keep managing to through and skew things so heavily. I'm interested to see the break downs for the Ro16/Ro8 next season.
IMO if TSL_Rain manages to claw his way back up to Code S from the up/down matches, he's just gonna get tossed straight back to up/down in the Ro32.
Kinda disappointed with the groups overall, just because there are these death groups followed by lesser groups, so we're gonna have Code S quality players fall to Code A while guys that will just get wrecked are able to advance. Oh well, that's luck of the draw for you.
A Liquid (P)HuK UP oGs (P)InCa UP (P)Choya fOu DOWN
InCa has been shown to be quite a beat in PvP since the beginning. Plus, he has the best Protoss in the world, MC to practice with. I can't really see him losing.
HuK was initially critisized for only 4 warpgating every game due to his crappy computer. In a match up heavily defined by the 4 warp gate still, this history can't hurt him.
Choya has been pretty lackluster in general. He may get a lucky cheese buy I think his opponents will be quite on guard for that given his history. His control against Nestea previously, where he let his voidray die, was also quite subpar. PvP is all about unit control right now, so I think he should lose.
B (Z)Leenock fOu DOWN IM (Z)NesTea UP (T)MarineKing Prime UP
There isn't too much to say here. Nestea is a boss ZvZ and in general, and MarineKing has been shown to be able to rape most Z players. I think Leenock is good, but just not good enough to take down two of the most consistent code S players in a best of 3.
C ST (T)Virus UP TSL (Z)FruitDealer DOWN ST (P)Ace UP
I am not too sure between FD and Virus. FD has been slipping lately but Virus has never been too impressive. However so much information about FD is out right now I think he may be a touch easier to prepare for. Also, I just have found him massively overrated lately so I would prefer getting rid of him. It really could go either way between these two though.
Ace on the other hand after the TL and IEM, I can't imagine losing in this relatively weak group. As long as he doesn't underperform again I think he should nail this.
D TSL (P)KiLLeR UP oGs (Z)Zenio UP SlayerS (T)BoxeR DOWN
Zenio just seems like a lock for code S. Very solid zerg, despite what IdrA says. It could go either way between Killer and Boxer, but I haven't been too impressed by The Emperor's games in SC2. Killer (who I am not sure why he is listed as a Z) isn't amazing, but I think can eek out a win. I do wonder if Boxer will bother to even keep playing if he goes down to Code A though.
E SlayerS (P)Alicia DOWN IM (T)MVP UP (P)Genius UP
I think MVP has this hands down. Pretty easy group for him, and he has 2 chances to win. Between Alicia and Genius I am really not sure. Genius is on a new team now and hopefully can regain some old ground. Alicia was looking really solid until he made some quite poor decisions against Supernova. Both players seem a little shakey, but Genius was really the Protoss Hope once upon a time so I would like to see him do well again.
F TSL (T)Rain DOWN oGs (T)TOP UP oGs (T)Hyperdub UP
Top won Code A last season and is a pretty solid mid level Code S Terran. I think he is the obvious favourite. Rain did play a good TvT in Code A where he make good use of banshees, but Hyperdub is the sky terran. Neither are top level, and Hyperdub's play against MC was quite questionable, but hyperdub even put up a decent fight against Mvp TvT, and despite Rain having one good series his other games have been a joke. I can't see Rain back in Code S.
G oGs (T)SuperNoVa UP (T)Polt Prime DOWN (T)TheBest fOu UP
While I don't think we saw Supernova's TvT this season, he crushed through Code A, even taking out Squirtle the favoured winner of it in the first round. If his TvT is his strongest then I can't imagine him losing.
Neither Polt or TheBest are really remarkable T players. Either could make it, but I am going with TheBest as I have found Prime in general a little lacking outside of MKP and while fOu isn't much better, I think it may have better standard T practice partners to work with. Really though, either of them could take it.
H IM (Z)Losira UP (P)BanBans Zenith DOWN ST (T)RainBOw UP
Losira looks like he can crush any of these guys. He won Code A for good reason and the competition are not too scary.
Rainbow has certainly fallen from grace but BansBans was never there to begin with. He might be able to pull something off but it won't be too impressive either way.
In totality I predict the race distribution of the up and down matches to be:
one the one hand, some of the groups are absurdly stacked. but we get to see some awesome games in the stacked groups! hopefully huk practices a gosu 3 stalker rush to counter all the 4gate. and no quick DT please :|
A Liquid (P)HuK - UP oGs (P)InCa - UP (P)Choya fOu - DOWN
InCa has one of the best PvP records to date, his timings always amaze me, and his control impeccable. However, there might be a "upset" here if HuK can hold off the early aggression of InCa, as HuK's mid/late-game is epic indeed. I think he will beat HuK first game. At the same time, HuK is not a bad player either. His MC-esque force field orientated play (early game) is very powerful against early aggressors like Choya. HuK likes to fast expand, and given these new maps which LARGE distances and common choke to multiple bases, I think the sentries of HuK will bring him to victory. And plus, I am Canadian, so I am obligated to be cheering for HuK!
B (Z)Leenock fOu - UP IM (Z)NesTea - UP (T)MarineKing Prime - DOWN
This has got to be a joke. All three deserve to be in Code S, but alas, it is not to be. First set will go to NesTea, a true legend of the game. We have yet to see a Grrrr... in SC2, but NesTea is a contender. His understanding of ZvZ and his game sense is just uncanny and unparalleled. Leenock is good, but he isn't that good to beat NesTea in a ZvZ. Second game will got to Leenock. Leenock's macro sense allows him to be powerful late game. While, MKP's sharp micro allows him to be aggressive early game. However, MKP is not playing towards his strength, and rather opting for long macro games. I think it is going to be a epic match like between Leenock and Clide back in the day.
C ST (T)Virus - DOWN TSL (Z)FruitDealer - UP ST (P)Ace - UP
First set will go to FruitDealer. Although I agree with the general consensus that FD has been slipping ever since he won season 1, however he is still one of the best Zergs out there. His plays are very unstable, he often goes for risks that would pay heavily if succeeded, but would lose him the game if he failed. This kind of strategy is perfect against a turtle-y Terran like Virus, as FD can will have an easier time predicting Virus's build order, and cut corners to achieve his goal. Second set will go to Ace. Ace has literally given me a hard-on during GSTL, and his path to winning the IEM is no easy feat either. Ace has displayed insane control through his IEM games, I can't count how many VRays he saved from death. I think Virus has displayed superior skills up to this point, but he is still not good enough to take down FD and Ace.
D TSL (P)KiLLeR - UP oGs (Z)Zenio - DOWN SlayerS (T)BoxeR - UP
First set will go to Killer. SangHo has, honestly, been one of my favorites to win Code A, his Protoss play is on par with some of the Code S players. Zenio is not a bad player either, he has been in Code S from the beginning, and he has played will in the Open Seasons as well, however, his strength lies in his ZvZ, and his late game is quite messy and unrefined (see Zenio vs Byun in group stages) both in his macro and control. I think as the game goes longer, the more the game goes in the favor of Killer. Second set will go to Boxer. This might be the part fanboy speaking, but Boxer is epic. It is true that Boxer has not been playing well recently, but his TvZ play is very good. The only recent loss to Zerg is to NesTea, and it doesn't count because it's against NesTea. Boxer's control will win him the game.
E SlayerS (P)Alicia - UP IM (T)MVP - UP (P)Genius - DOWN
First set will go to MVP, no question. Alicia is good, his Code A streak is good, but it's not good enough to beat a feature built into the game. Some where in the SC2 source code lies the following:
Player determineWinner(Game currentGame){ if (Game.hasPlayer("IMMvp")){ return new Player("IMMvp"); }
//moar code ..................... }
But seriously, the game-genie, I think (and many would agree), is still the best player on the planet. His loss to July is unlucky, and is more resulting of unpreparedness than incompetence. Second set will go to Alicia. Genius has not shown any amazing play since he won BlizzCon, and that was a long time ago, the game has evolved. In with the new, out with the old. That is the purpose of Up/Down matches, and as such, Alicia will beat Genius.
F TSL (T)Rain - DOWN oGs (T)TOP - UP oGs (T)Hyperdub - UP
First match will go to TOP. Rain was a finalist in Season 3, however I think even that is a fluke. His play remains uninteresting, while TOP's macro play is awesome, especially his late game sense and ongoing macro. TOP has displayed his TvT power in his epic slug match against Byun in Code A finals last season, and I think his talent will prevail. The same story goes from Hyperdub and Rain. Hyperdub is not the best player out here, but he does show us some skill from time to to time. This is one of the easiest groups to predict.
G oGs (T)SuperNoVa - UP (T)Polt Prime - DOWN (T)TheBest fOu - UP
First set will go to SuperNoVa. Nova has shown SICK TvT games I'm still shocked at how convincingly he won against TSL_Alive. And surely being in the finals of Code A deserves him some respect. Polt is just bad. There is nothing more to say. At one point, he deserved to be in Code S, but recently, his play dipped heavily, and to think he can take down Jinro also shows that he is delusional. Code A finalist vs a delusional wash-up, I think the result is clear. Second set is hard to call, both Polt and TheBest has not shown anything spectacular recently, but I think the game will indeed go towards TheBest, just because I think he has a little more merit.
H IM (Z)Losira - UP (P)BanBans Zenith - DOWN ST (T)RainBOw - UP
First match will go to Losira. Holy crap is this kid good. He has crushed nerds left and right when Zerg is considered to be weakest. He beat LegalMind and HuK to get to the finals, so his ZvP is very good. I don't see how BanBans, a player who qualified for Code S from earlier achievements could beat a monster like Losira. Second set will go to Rainbow. Rainbow was the runner-up in Season 1, but he has stuck around, and have shown occasional strokes of genius, I think BanBans just haven't been practicing enough to stay in Code S. Although that is also what people (myself include) have though of SadZenith, but alas, he has done EXCEPTIONALLY well. Maybe BanBans can pull off an unlikely upset.
On March 12 2011 05:39 SpiZe wrote: Can someone inform me on when it will go live, as a person who never watch GSL, I'm quite clueless
Rather than give you food, I'm going to teach you how to fish, sir.
You can either browse the TL calendar or upcoming events for most tourney time-related questions, or just go to the tourney's site (in this case gomtv's, where they have a schedule you can view)
I hope you are right, but I am worried for boxer. Everone else things he is going to code A, but I would hate to see the legend lose his S class status. Unfortunately he didn't get his best match up which was tvt.
I agree that the Code-A players who get to pick shouldn't get two picks as that will guarantee that one of the worse players will stay in Code-S, but I don't have a problem with the random draw system. MKP did finish last in his group, so that's what you get.
On March 12 2011 03:49 Reasonable wrote: As to people who say that randomness isn't fair, then sports are not for you in general. Moreover, life is not likely to be successful for you guys, sorry.
What? Most sports have a limited amount of randomness that is unavoidable. But why apply randomness to this process when you don't have to?
Spawning close position on metal 3 times in a row => unavoidable randomness. Drawing a death group in the up/down matches when you made it to the ro4 => avoidable randomness.
There is no reason Leenock should have to play Nestea/MKP when in another group one of Hyperdub/Rain will be in Code S. It doesn't make any sense and is easily avoidable.
And yes life isn't fair, I'm pretty sure we're all aware of that. It doesn't mean we shouldn't eliminate random chance in competition when we can.
I don't know, TLO beats Huk PvP all day long... not sure if he can beat InCa & choya. Good luck to him though. Might be able to get payback + Show Spoiler +
On March 12 2011 03:49 Reasonable wrote: As to people who say that randomness isn't fair, then sports are not for you in general. Moreover, life is not likely to be successful for you guys, sorry.
What? Most sports have a limited amount of randomness that is unavoidable. But why apply randomness to this process when you don't have to?
Spawning close position on metal 3 times in a row => unavoidable randomness. Drawing a death group in the up/down matches when you made it to the ro4 => avoidable randomness.
There is no reason Leenock should have to play Nestea/MKP when in another group one of Hyperdub/Rain will be in Code S. It doesn't make any sense and is easily avoidable.
And yes life isn't fair, I'm pretty sure we're all aware of that. It doesn't mean we shouldn't eliminate random chance in competition when we can.
The way i see it is tht it's like picking a sporting draw, which is generally random. Sports have this all the time and it's the best way to do it as it prevents bias tht could happen. I don't see how this is anymore random than say, a tennis tournament, where there are 8 seeds and everyone else is randomised into the draw.
Leenock has the shittest luck ever. First he gets kicked out of code S in a tragic updown match and now hes got the guy that taught losira zvz in his group as well as one of the best TvZ players.
On March 12 2011 06:39 Dagobert wrote: I don't know, TLO beats Huk PvP all day long... not sure if he can beat InCa & choya. Good luck to him though. Might be able to get payback + Show Spoiler +
LosirA
if he steps up his game.
Then again TLO's Protoss is currently his best race.
Oh leenock. I think this guy is a good player, but this will definitely test if he's worthy of code S. Either of those players dropping code classifications would be a huge upset.
These up down matches are all really dramatic. I feel much more interested in these than the last ones.
Wow this is brutal for leenock , not only attending school and being a pro gamer but now he has to go against the best ZvZ player on the planet. I wish him all the best and I hope he can pull this epic upset off!
Does anyone know if NesTea has ever lost a ZvZ on TV?
Leenock has no chance of making Code S, calling that right now. He got screwed, but hey, shit happens. He's good, I have no doubt that he'll be in the Up and Down matches after next season.
Theres no way HuK can beat Choya or Inca in PvP but who knows theres random chance in pvp I think he needs to stick around in code a for another season and get Ro8+ again
Huk is so dead, the only thing going for him is the unpredictability of PvP. Leenock has absolutely no chance against nestea... his ZvZ is just insane. Also, fruitdealer needs to beat virus, otherwise he'll play ACE, who might eliminate him
On March 12 2011 08:00 dapierow wrote: Theres no way HuK can beat Choya or Inca in PvP but who knows theres random chance in pvp I think he needs to stick around in code a for another season and get Ro8+ again
HuK beating any of those is more probable than MVP, Nestea, Boxer, FruitDealer and MarineKing falling down to up/down matches but here we are.
On March 12 2011 08:00 dapierow wrote: Theres no way HuK can beat Choya or Inca in PvP but who knows theres random chance in pvp I think he needs to stick around in code a for another season and get Ro8+ again
HuK beating any of those is more probable than MVP, Nestea, Boxer, FruitDealer and MarineKing falling down to up/down matches but here we are.
So because something improbable happened, it makes something that was more likely automatically EVEN MORE likely? I understand you might be trying to prove that anything can happen, but the odds (statistics) are against him.
On March 12 2011 08:00 dapierow wrote: Theres no way HuK can beat Choya or Inca in PvP but who knows theres random chance in pvp I think he needs to stick around in code a for another season and get Ro8+ again
I think he has a chance. He probably won't beat Inca cuz he's a PvP god but he has a chance against choya (who lost BansBans this season). I think we'll see at least one big name drop down to Code A this season, but i'm not sure which one.
3rd and 4th place in Code A should get to choose their groups after 1st and 2nd have, then have only the 5th-8th groups be random (obviously you would need a 3rd and 4th place deciding match, but that wouldn't be too much of a burden, and it would make a distinction between getting top 4 and top 8 in code A as there really isn't one currently, which left Leenock in a very bad position in the up and down matches.
On March 12 2011 09:14 Sahand wrote: havent been watching tsl rain at all. does he still rely on all ins to win games or has he actually started macro'ing
His style is distinctly early-game based and ends at mid-game. He doesn't cheese all his games, but I guess you could say he plays to terran's strengths.
UnholyRai March 12 2011 09:12. Posts 315 PM Profile Quote # 2 stays up from each group or what?
yes. code a plays 3rd place code s, winner goes to code s. the loser plays the 4th place code s. the winner of this match goes code s and the loser goes code a.
Huk has his work cut out for him going up against inca, a god among men of pvp. He'll probably have to rely on beating choya.
I feel so sorry for Leenock, kid has absolutely insane potential, just needs to get better luck with his draws. Getting a 2 time finalist and a champion in a group together must be stressful.
On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote: This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
This is why you must play your best every match.
This is the best way to "force" players into improving their game play.
This is by far better system. Compare Western Tourneys where "better players" to hug it out and then blabering about their excuses.
You deliver or you dont, this is how it is in all competitive sport, as soon as you try to handicap "favorites" it all becomes artificial and fake.
Almost every game or sport has a system to protect higher level players. It is generally deemed more fun if high level players don't fall off straight away, if the best players meet eachother in the last stages of tournaments it provides the most fun, hence the reason for seeding.
A big reason for this is that the outcome of a game is not simply skill alone. Luck plays a big role if you like it or not. In GSL this can especially be seen in the first group phase, a great player (MVP) only has to face one player who is better then him that day (July) and he is already out of the tournament and has to play up/down matches after he dominated the previous system. Comparing this to sports it's like saying Federer should play qualifiers for the next grand slam after losing the first round in one, it's completely rediculous. On the other hand the system is too protective for players who have never been really good but just get by a little bit. The guy who made the GSL system is simply completely oblivious to what makes a good system. Everyone wants to be seeing the top players meet eachother in the last stages of the GSL, this system simply does not support that..
lol?
ye lets remove all players who beat MKP, MVP or NesTea from the tournament so we make sure they never ever loose? If this was the case we would still saw MKP running with marines only and NesTea being able to defend 99.9% of attacks.
Game is too young to favor any of current Champions. MC is the best example of player who is most likely will be SC2 legend. His play has authority and he DID learn how to not die to random stuff(not getting carried away with whatever build hes doing).
On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote: This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players. It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already. They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
Random knockouts of good players?? You need to go at very best 1-4 to get knocked out of Code S during your gsl run. At least 1 of those has to be another player from the up/down or Code A How is that worthy of Code S? The 4th place players who get knocked down will be going minimum 0-3. People keep saying "oh they should be best of 3s anything can happen in a BO1!" But the fact is you are losing 3 times in a row pretty much to get knocked down. The simple fact is that we had A LOT of upsets and some old faces showing vastly improved skill (SanZenith, July as the prime examples). If you play bad enough where you are 1-4, you don't deserve your Code S this season that's all there is to it.
People should know 1 thing and that's that the most improbable can happen in sc2. Why else do we have MVP, MKP, NesTea in the up and down matches ?
I'm not betting on Leenock, HuK or anyone else in those groups as lost causes. Upsets can happen and it has been proven this season. If anything this is the best time to make an upset as the longer GSL is going through, the better the overall skill is going to be for newcomers to join into code S.
Is is a bad sign if i feel the up/down matches are gonna be better then Code S this season. No Offense to San, MC, Anypro and July but MvP, Nestea, MKP, FruitDealer, Leenock, Huk, and Boxer are hard to compare to.
On March 11 2011 20:43 Telcontar wrote: f10esqftw, go through your OP and fix the TLPDs.
MKP is T Virus is T Ace is P Losira is Z Genius is P Rainbow is T Banbans is P Killer/SangHo is P
Seriously man, you need to make a little effort.
Seriously man, I posted this moments ago, literally seconds after the groups were finalized. I'm seriously adding clans and doing other edits while you're complaining. I hope it frustrates you that I'm still not fixing the races for another minute because I have to respond to your very serious comment.
Well Huk didn't get too bad of a group! I think he can do it!
Leenock and Alicia though... man, they got tough draws. Most of the other groups seem fairly balanced. Killer got a pretty great group for not getting to pick his opponents.
Why the hell would GSL put all 3 fan favorites in group B? doesn't make much sense ... maybe they want the viewers to suffer and watch more of code A .....
would have been 100% happy if MKP was swapped with group A C or F .. oh well
On March 12 2011 13:21 gideel wrote: Why the hell would GSL put all 3 fan favorites in group B? doesn't make much sense ... maybe they want the viewers to suffer and watch more of code A .....
would have been 100% happy if MKP was swapped with group A C or F .. oh well
Phew. Wasn't planning on watching, good thing I came across this.
Edit: Rooting for huk but pvp is too up in the air. Since Inca is in the same house with similar practice partners, I'm not too confident. Choya might choke though.
I didn't even realize MKP ended up being 4th in group. I still can't expect leenock to overcome him in bo3. Definately unluckiest combo you can have for leenock almost. Well, at least his supposed great zvz will have a contest here.
On March 12 2011 13:21 gideel wrote: Why the hell would GSL put all 3 fan favorites in group B? doesn't make much sense ... maybe they want the viewers to suffer and watch more of code A .....
would have been 100% happy if MKP was swapped with group A C or F .. oh well
You do realize its a random drawing right? >.>
Yes of course. Not going to bring up conspiracy theories but I've seen threads previously on TL questioning GOMTV when the RO64 brackets for previous GSL's were not broadcasted live and had foreigners face foreigners etc...
On March 12 2011 12:11 Jacob666 wrote: Is is a bad sign if i feel the up/down matches are gonna be better then Code S this season. No Offense to San, MC, Anypro and July but MvP, Nestea, MKP, FruitDealer, Leenock, Huk, and Boxer are hard to compare to.
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Why is it a bad sign? San, MC, Anypro, and July beat those players (except for HuK and Leenock) to get where they are now.
I don't understand why everyone gives players like MvP and Nestea all this credit. Yes, they've won a GSL Final. They also got eliminated from their group in the ro32 of Code S. High caliber players should play as such. I realize that upsets happen but there's no reason to feel sorry for them. If they had played better, they'd be in the ro4 instead.
Anypro is the only person to question in the ro4, just because the strength of the players he beat to get there is sort of suspect. The other 3 have eliminated top tier players or just shown incredibly solid play and they deserve to be where they are.
On March 12 2011 12:11 Jacob666 wrote: Is is a bad sign if i feel the up/down matches are gonna be better then Code S this season. No Offense to San, MC, Anypro and July but MvP, Nestea, MKP, FruitDealer, Leenock, Huk, and Boxer are hard to compare to.
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Why is it a bad sign? San, MC, Anypro, and July beat those players (except for HuK and Leenock) to get where they are now.
I don't understand why everyone gives players like MvP and Nestea all this credit. Yes, they've won a GSL Final. They also got eliminated from their group in the ro32 of Code S. High caliber players should play as such. I realize that upsets happen but there's no reason to feel sorry for them. If they had played better, they'd be in the ro4 instead.
Anypro is the only person to question in the ro4, just because the strength of the players he beat to get there is sort of suspect. The other 3 have eliminated top tier players or just shown incredibly solid play and they deserve to be where they are.
MvP and Nestea are probably the best of their respective races in the world, as demonstrated by their track records. Anything can happen in a couple Bo1's which is why the better players don't always survive Ro32.
On March 12 2011 12:11 Jacob666 wrote: Is is a bad sign if i feel the up/down matches are gonna be better then Code S this season. No Offense to San, MC, Anypro and July but MvP, Nestea, MKP, FruitDealer, Leenock, Huk, and Boxer are hard to compare to.
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Why is it a bad sign? San, MC, Anypro, and July beat those players (except for HuK and Leenock) to get where they are now.
I don't understand why everyone gives players like MvP and Nestea all this credit. Yes, they've won a GSL Final. They also got eliminated from their group in the ro32 of Code S. High caliber players should play as such. I realize that upsets happen but there's no reason to feel sorry for them. If they had played better, they'd be in the ro4 instead.
Anypro is the only person to question in the ro4, just because the strength of the players he beat to get there is sort of suspect. The other 3 have eliminated top tier players or just shown incredibly solid play and they deserve to be where they are.
MvP and Nestea are probably the best of their respective races in the world, as demonstrated by their track records. Anything can happen in a couple Bo1's which is why the better players don't always survive Ro32.
BO1 but don't forget it's a group, they had at least 2 chances.
I know this might sounds crazy I feel Leenock will make it through. I'm more worried about Nestea, to be frank. I could imagine MKP dropping as well, but he only needs to prepare against Z, and I'm sure he will be more than ready. So it'll be either Leenock or Nestea who will drop out of code S, and I have a feeling that it will be Nestea.
I noticed how a lot of TLer's didn't put BoxeR in favor.. which I am a bit shocked. Considering how the up & down matches is set up.. BoxeR, as the 4th, only need to play one set (BO 3), which is the loser of the previous match. I mean as a gamer BoxeR probably has the mind set advantage, not to mention the person he will be facing is probably tired from the previous match.
I still think he has a good shot staying in code S. Well, I hope. The forever legend Emperor WHITING~~~~~~ >///<
Honestly while leenock is in the group of death, and is unlikely to beat nestea since nestea has such a sick run for zvz in gsl, I can see him possibly taking MKP out in a BO3 Do remember that he did play MKP in one of the earlier GSLs and iirc he lost 1-2, and one of those losses are in a close position LT (the last game). So yea, even though he is not the best zerg out there, he is still an extremely solid zvt player and with the new maps I think he does have a decent chance of taking MKP out
Its a real shame that rain got in a group with hyperdub and either one will advance though. Anyone who have seen rain's tvz that isnt an all in will know how terrible he is at that matchup. His tvt is passable though so he might just get through.
On March 12 2011 19:16 ben01016 wrote: I noticed how a lot of TLer's didn't put BoxeR in favor.. which I am a bit shocked. Considering how the up & down matches is set up.. BoxeR, as the 4th, only need to play one set (BO 3), which is the loser of the previous match. I mean as a gamer BoxeR probably has the mind set advantage, not to mention the person he will be facing is probably tired from the previous match.
I still think he has a good shot staying in code S. Well, I hope. The forever legend Emperor WHITING~~~~~~ >///<
You obviously have no idea how the up/down matches work do you?
He has one shot to win, the other players have 2 shots to win... Boxer is getting the raw end of the carrot dude.
I REALLY hope Fruitdealer gets first and Ace gets 2nd in that ridiculous group..... Virus can get his shot next time.
Killer and Boxer ftw! MVP and Genius ftw! InCa and HuK ftw! NesTea and MKP ftw! and I really don't care for anyone in groups F G and H........... GSL needs to make better brackets!!!!!!!!!!!!! These suck balls T_T
On March 12 2011 12:11 Jacob666 wrote: Is is a bad sign if i feel the up/down matches are gonna be better then Code S this season. No Offense to San, MC, Anypro and July but MvP, Nestea, MKP, FruitDealer, Leenock, Huk, and Boxer are hard to compare to.
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Why is it a bad sign? San, MC, Anypro, and July beat those players (except for HuK and Leenock) to get where they are now.
I don't understand why everyone gives players like MvP and Nestea all this credit. Yes, they've won a GSL Final. They also got eliminated from their group in the ro32 of Code S. High caliber players should play as such. I realize that upsets happen but there's no reason to feel sorry for them. If they had played better, they'd be in the ro4 instead.
Anypro is the only person to question in the ro4, just because the strength of the players he beat to get there is sort of suspect. The other 3 have eliminated top tier players or just shown incredibly solid play and they deserve to be where they are.
MvP and Nestea are probably the best of their respective races in the world, as demonstrated by their track records. Anything can happen in a couple Bo1's which is why the better players don't always survive Ro32.
Its your opinion ... In my opinion, ST_Bomber is a better player than MVP and I still see Fruitdealer being better than Nestea but its fanboyism in me
On March 12 2011 19:16 ben01016 wrote: I noticed how a lot of TLer's didn't put BoxeR in favor.. which I am a bit shocked. Considering how the up & down matches is set up.. BoxeR, as the 4th, only need to play one set (BO 3), which is the loser of the previous match. I mean as a gamer BoxeR probably has the mind set advantage, not to mention the person he will be facing is probably tired from the previous match.
I still think he has a good shot staying in code S. Well, I hope. The forever legend Emperor WHITING~~~~~~ >///<
You say he only needs to play one set when in reality he only GETS to play one set. Both of the other players get two attempts to make code S while Boxer only has one chance.
On March 12 2011 19:16 ben01016 wrote: I noticed how a lot of TLer's didn't put BoxeR in favor.. which I am a bit shocked. Considering how the up & down matches is set up.. BoxeR, as the 4th, only need to play one set (BO 3), which is the loser of the previous match. I mean as a gamer BoxeR probably has the mind set advantage, not to mention the person he will be facing is probably tired from the previous match.
I still think he has a good shot staying in code S. Well, I hope. The forever legend Emperor WHITING~~~~~~ >///<
You say he only needs to play one set when in reality he only GETS to play one set. Both of the other players get two attempts to make code S while Boxer only has one chance.
It's interesting however to speculate - perhaps you are both right. Assuming three players of equal skill, having two shots at qualification is naturally better than one. However, might the loss in the first match affect the loser?
On March 13 2011 01:35 GGruss wrote: It's interesting however to speculate - perhaps you are both right. Assuming three players of equal skill, having two shots at qualification is naturally better than one. However, might the loss in the first match affect the loser?
The question is not whether or not the loss will affect the loser, it's how.
It definitely seems to me like Boxer has the disadvantage, only playing one match. It puts much more pressure on him.
Then again, he is not one to be crushed under pressure
On March 12 2011 12:11 Jacob666 wrote: Is is a bad sign if i feel the up/down matches are gonna be better then Code S this season. No Offense to San, MC, Anypro and July but MvP, Nestea, MKP, FruitDealer, Leenock, Huk, and Boxer are hard to compare to.
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Why is it a bad sign? San, MC, Anypro, and July beat those players (except for HuK and Leenock) to get where they are now.
I don't understand why everyone gives players like MvP and Nestea all this credit. Yes, they've won a GSL Final. They also got eliminated from their group in the ro32 of Code S. High caliber players should play as such. I realize that upsets happen but there's no reason to feel sorry for them. If they had played better, they'd be in the ro4 instead.
Anypro is the only person to question in the ro4, just because the strength of the players he beat to get there is sort of suspect. The other 3 have eliminated top tier players or just shown incredibly solid play and they deserve to be where they are.
MvP and Nestea are probably the best of their respective races in the world, as demonstrated by their track records. Anything can happen in a couple Bo1's which is why the better players don't always survive Ro32.
Its your opinion ... In my opinion, ST_Bomber is a better player than MVP and I still see Fruitdealer being better than Nestea but its fanboyism in me
What kind of logic leads you to these conclusions?
A- Choya fOu (A will come down to him and huk, and i've got my faith in Huk~) B- MarineKing Prime (i-no right? i think it'll be a shocker) C- ST Virus D- TSL KiLLeR E- Genius F- TSL Rain G- oGs SuperNoVa H- ST RainBOw
I`ve watched Huk`s stream a few times and he won quite alot against Choyal. It`s too bad because Choyal seems like a nice guy. Him and Gumiho and quite friendly. I`m worried for fruitdealer, St_Virus, minus the last set he played, did very well. Our favorite Zerg seem to have neglected practice abit. He needs to stay focus.
The Up and down matches are a heartbreaking thing!
Well this seems to be the perfect situation for HuK. Having no champions in his group and having this rather luck based PvP increases his chances by a lot.
On March 13 2011 06:04 Slunk wrote: Well this seems to be the perfect situation for HuK. Having no champions in his group and having this rather luck based PvP increases his chances by a lot.
Except that its all PvP and HuK is perhaps the most vocal hater of PvP (although all brotoss protest it). I bet if he was asked he's rather have been a group with a champion then deal with PvP.
I was really hoping to see Leenock make it to Code S but that group is perhaps the hardest group he could've matched. The only other players that could've made it any harder would have been Nestea/MVP, but MarineKing is just as bad. I feel bad for the kid
On March 11 2011 21:35 bokchoi wrote: Wow Leenock got owned by the draw TT_TT..
Huk can't be happy about the 2 PvPs and having to play InCa either. Hopefully him and InCa just play a shit ton so that if either of them lose they'll just destroy chOya.
On March 11 2011 21:16 ForTheDr3am wrote: Unless Huk chokes he should make it into Code S easily. From what I have seen, his control is far superior to choya, and he can take on Inca as well.
Huk top 3 control in the world!
and top 3 spelling in the world!
he will never lose! and correct any mistakes he makes
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I do find it interesting that 3 of the 4 GSL (1-3 + first S) winners are in the up-down with 6/7 finalists also being in up-down,
I actually picked Choyal to survive instead of IncA. Dunno why, but i got a feeling that he`ll make it. The Ogs player is super solid but he seem to have hit a wall recently.
On March 13 2011 19:43 Zaffy wrote: so am i right in thinking that the code a and 3rd place code S basically get 2 chances to advance to code A , while 4th place code S gets 1 chance?
On March 13 2011 19:43 Zaffy wrote: so am i right in thinking that the code a and 3rd place code S basically get 2 chances to advance to code A , while 4th place code S gets 1 chance?
Yes but there is always a bit of negative momentum for the loser of the first match.
On March 13 2011 19:43 Zaffy wrote: so am i right in thinking that the code a and 3rd place code S basically get 2 chances to advance to code A , while 4th place code S gets 1 chance?
A - Inca / Choya B - Nestea/MKP C - FD / ACE D - Killer/Boxer E - MVP / Genius F - Top/Someone who doesn't deserve S Class G - Supernova/Thebest H - Losira / Rainbow
HuK hates PvP so i can see him getting cheezed out.
On March 13 2011 22:00 BetterFasterStronger wrote: A - Inca / Choya B - Nestea/MKP C - FD / ACE D - Killer/Boxer E - MVP / Genius F - Top/Someone who doesn't deserve S Class G - Supernova/Thebest H - Losira / Rainbow
HuK hates PvP so i can see him getting cheezed out.
Our predictions are almost exactly the same but I have FD losing instead.
It's absolutley retarded that the winners of code A get to choose 2 opponents,that means that atleast 2 of the absolute worst players will always remain in Code S. I honestly cant understand how some people think.
On March 14 2011 02:45 Coolhwip wrote: It's absolutley retarded that the winners of code A get to choose 2 opponents,that means that atleast 2 of the absolute worst players will always remain in Code S. I honestly cant understand how some people think.
You could have done a lot better with your first post on TL, don't you think?
The system may not be perfect but it has its advantages. The winner and runner-up of Code A deserve some special treatment or they could just as well stop at the RO8. Also, never underestimate "bad" players - take SanZenith who was considered a freewin last season and made the semis this time.
The GSL will certainly continue to evolve and improve and maybe this Code A/S system will change over time. For now it's all we've got and I think it's doing a good job, and certainly is better than other alternatives.
You could have done a lot better with your first post on TL, don't you think?
The system may not be perfect but it has its advantages. The winner and runner-up of Code A deserve some special treatment or they could just as well stop at the RO8. Also, never underestimate "bad" players - take SanZenith who was considered a freewin last season and made the semis this time.
The GSL will certainly continue to evolve and improve and maybe this Code A/S system will change over time. For now it's all we've got and I think it's doing a good job, and certainly is better than other alternatives.
This is just a new acc since i changed my bnet ID. It dont matter if some bad players can suddenly turn good, its still a really stupid system. I can come up with a better alternative right now; The winners of Code A can only choose 1 opponent, this is still a very good reward ontop of the money they win.
I'm not being condescending, I'm just pointing out that describing Code A as "absolutely retarded" and judging the whole up&down system while ignoring the recent performances of so-called "bad" players isn't the best way to start a new account. Speaking of which, there's a Change My Name topic on the website feedback board.
Your idea of letting the Code A winner(s) only pick one player of their group has been brought up before - it could work, who knows. But then again, winning Code A basically means you're among the best of the bunch and pretty much deserve to be promoted to Code S. Making the final steps toward that goal manageable is just fair - in my opinion.
Both ways have pros and cons. We'll see what GOM will come up with in future seasons.
Group A: HuK/Choya Group B: Leenock/MarineKingPrime Groub C: Fruitdealer/Ace Group D: Zenio/Boxer Group E: MVP/Genius Group F: TOP/Hyperdub Group G: Polt/The Best Group H: LosirA/Rainbow
Hoping for the best. Currently on a like 5 winning streak right now I think.
im so sad for leenock that kid is a baller i want to see him in code S hes gonna have to play some sick games to get there though. on a side note im also super excited for Huk i think hes got a good chance at getting into code S!
These Up and Down matches could be the highlight of the GSL season. MKP, Nestea, MVP, Boxer, Fruitdealer - what the ****? Big names, yet they managed to lose their way here, and these code A players have put on a hell of a good show this season. The upsets might not be over.
I know, it's almost heresy to say this... But I hope Boxer gets demoted. He's just not good enough these days. His matches have been boring and mostly one-sided. He's not code S material anymore IMO.
On March 14 2011 11:02 Brett wrote: I know, it's almost heresy to say this... But I hope Boxer gets demoted. He's just not good enough these days. His matches have been boring and mostly one-sided. He's not code S material anymore IMO.
How dare youuuuuuu! Welll jokes aside I don't think he's much of a top player anymore either. Still I will root for him simply because he's Boxer =D. I think everyone else will too.
TBH I'm looking forward of seeing how Ace will do this matches. IEM winner on GSL. It will be just good to see him doing well, that will boost some western tournaments. Why? Because if he gets CRUSHED then ppl might think IEM is not a good tournament. I'm pretty tired, but well you get my point.
On March 14 2011 11:02 Brett wrote: I know, it's almost heresy to say this... But I hope Boxer gets demoted. He's just not good enough these days. His matches have been boring and mostly one-sided. He's not code S material anymore IMO.
I actually think he tries too hard for current meta-game. Same goes to July couple months ago, but July was able to recognize it, and just tries to play on opponents abusive builds. Boxer should just play more standard and he will get much better results. But I think he already knows it, he should be fine!
Today is gonna be amazing, gogo Huk gogo Leenock!!!!!
I don't think we will say an Up/Down like this for a long time. 3 GSL champions (keep in mind... out of only 4) all 3 runner ups, as well as HuK trying to get in and Ace finally being in a good position that he will no doubt want to keep. Can't wait to see the results.
On March 14 2011 15:21 MiacroISBADK wrote: Daylights saving time
Shouldn't it be an hour earlier for us? I could be completely wrong here though
No, because we just pretend to have moved an hour into the future, we didn't actually travel that time. Everything taking place where DST is not observed will seem to be an hour later than before the time change.
On March 14 2011 15:21 MiacroISBADK wrote: Daylights saving time
Shouldn't it be an hour earlier for us? I could be completely wrong here though
No, because we just pretend to have moved an hour into the future, we didn't actually travel that time. Everything taking place where DST is not observed will seem to be an hour later than before the time change.
Now that I read that and actually thought about it, I feel like a dumbass.
On March 14 2011 15:21 MiacroISBADK wrote: Daylights saving time
Shouldn't it be an hour earlier for us? I could be completely wrong here though
No, because we just pretend to have moved an hour into the future, we didn't actually travel that time. Everything taking place where DST is not observed will seem to be an hour later than before the time change.
But time is relative so...what time "seems" like is just as important. what the clock reads is about as objective as you can get with time
On March 14 2011 15:21 MiacroISBADK wrote: Daylights saving time
Shouldn't it be an hour earlier for us? I could be completely wrong here though
No, because we just pretend to have moved an hour into the future, we didn't actually travel that time. Everything taking place where DST is not observed will seem to be an hour later than before the time change.
But time is relative so...what time "seems" like is just as important. what the clock reads is about as objective as you can get with time
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say by this. Someone thought that GSL would be an hour earlier according to the clock than before the switch to DST but it's the opposite. I was just explaining how time changes relative to the shift. So...what is your point?
On March 12 2011 13:21 gideel wrote: Why the hell would GSL put all 3 fan favorites in group B? doesn't make much sense ... maybe they want the viewers to suffer and watch more of code A .....
would have been 100% happy if MKP was swapped with group A C or F .. oh well
You do realize its a random drawing right? >.>
Yes of course. Not going to bring up conspiracy theories but I've seen threads previously on TL questioning GOMTV when the RO64 brackets for previous GSL's were not broadcasted live and had foreigners face foreigners etc...
yeah, except this drawing is broadcasted live right after the code A final so unless the guy have eye on his hand when he get the names out of that box, I'd say its completely random
Everytime there is an interesting match, GOM dies. Although I do purchase every season ticket, I feel that somehow this is just so 'coincidence' at times...
And the first thing I heard was Tasteless saying: "If Choya gets a few Probes here..." which was a nail-biting thing to hear as the first words when the stream comes back on again .
On March 14 2011 19:20 R34 wrote: How'd it go down?
Typical 4 gates situation. If couple of your outs are out of the base and suddenly opponents come up the ramp then basically game is lost. Choya made a mistake and Huk did what he had to do. Congrats to Huk. Though PvP is kind of meh..
A 2nd Liquid HuK 1st oGsInCa 3rd ChoyafOu I wanna say that HuK'll be first, but lets face it, InCa's PvP is so good.
B 3rd LeenockfOu 1st IMNesTea 2nd MarineKingPrime Hard to tell. But NesTea just seem so solid, and i really think MarineKings playstyle is getting figured out.
C 3rd STVirus 1st TSLFruitDealer 2nd STAce The former champion will of course come out of this group as the victor, and Ace have shown us that he is actually capable of delivering a good game.
D 3rd TSLKiLLeR 2nd oGsZenio 1st SlayerSBoxeR What can I say? Zenio is good but not really emperor material. And i don't really think Killer is able to murder any of these guys.
E 3rd SlayerSAlicia 1st IMMVP 2nd Genius Alicia is actually way better than I would've ever thought, and Genius is one of my favorit Protoss players,but MVP should never have been here, and i'm sure that he'll prove that.
F 3rd TSLRain 2nd oGsTOP 1st oGsHyperdub Rain delivers a good chees, but anytime he trys to do anything macro related it just doesn't impress me. Hyperdub/TOP is harder to call, but Hyperdub seems a little more comfortable in the late game, and with the new maps, i gotta go with him.
G 2nd oGsSuperNoVa 3rd PoltPrime 1st TheBestfOu While TheBest really haven't lived up to his name yet, I really think Polt got it all in his mouth, and even tho' SuperNoVa is no SuperStar, it would serve Polt right getting into Code A.
H 2nd IMLosira 3rd BanBansZenith 1st STRainBOw Even though i'm not a huge RainBow fan (unless i'm seeing double), he should be able to outclass Losira and BanBans. And Losira have really impressed me in his Code A run.
On March 15 2011 04:02 Gescom wrote: Question -- is up/down casted by Tastosis or by Kelly+Doa?
Tastosis, thankfully - I'm not hating on Doa + Kelly as I know Tastosis needs a break from casting, but with so many huge names in the up + down and with HuK with a shot at code S I wouldn't want to see it casted by anyone else.
Great games so far. It was unfortunate to have Leenock, Nestea and MKP all in the same group as they should all be in code s. Glad to see Huk make it through.
On March 15 2011 04:42 Mindflow wrote: If boxer goes down to code A i will smash my computer into a million pieces then put it back together while waiting for boxer to get back into code s
On March 15 2011 04:42 Mindflow wrote: If boxer goes down to code A i will smash my computer into a million pieces then put it back together while waiting for boxer to get back into code s
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HuK
Leenock fOu
MarineKing Prime
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