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Don't really agree with how GOM does the up/down match picking process. As we can see, some terrible players from LosirA/SuperNoVa's groups are still going to be in Code S when they obviously don't deserve it. Meanwhile due to randomness' random nature, Leenock is completely fucked.
What they should do:
Code A Winner chooses the first member of his group.
Code A Runner-up chooses the first member of his group.
3rd & 4th place Code A players choose the first members of their groups (can randomize the order here, won't make much of a difference)
Then 5th-8th pick the first members of their groups.
Then go back through to get the rest of the groups finalized. It still means that 1st and 2nd in Code A get to pick extremely weak players, and the only need to beat that first player to advance to Code S. There is no reason to let them pick two weak players, it just means that Code S will be a little weaker next season. At the same time it means that there is a tangible benefit to getting to the Ro4 as opposed to the Ro8.
IMO, it doesn't really decrease the value of winning Code A either, do you really think LosirA needs a 2nd chance after facing BanBans? Or that SuperNoVa won't demolish PoltPrime? Meanwhile either TSL_Rain or oGsHyperdub will be in Code S when neither belong there.
The formatting of the up/down matches leaves a lot to be desired.
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On March 12 2011 03:02 Markwerf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 01:37 Blueblister wrote:On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote:
This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players.
It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already.
They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
Say whaaat??? Do you even follow the GSL and its seedings? Nestea and MKP preformed badly and have no one but themselves to blame. MvP had a pretty tough group, but because of the seedings. He still lost to a Code A Ro8 player! If any conclusions can be drawn from the current GSL (where 6 of the top 8 is from Up & Down matches), then it is that past achievements is greatly overrated in terms of future performance. This game is too young to have "bonjwas". Up and coming players are already have a very hard time getting into the top tourneys because of the many invite slots to each event. Please don't encourage more MLG-like structures. It's hardly possible to have more seeding than GSL already do. Stronger seedings fore Code S players would only be given because of sentimental attachment, not skill. If you are a good enough player, you should be able to qualify for a tournament by your on strength. I'm just saying GSL has the wrong form of protection for their top players. The real top that have consistently done well in the last few GSLs (Nestea, MKP, MVP etc.) should be protected more while the rest of the code S players should get less protection, ie they shouldn't be safe just because they make it to ro16. I do agree that getting into Code S is too hard or better said too random. Code A shouldn't be a knockout tournament but a league or a poul system. Getting a bad matchup or bad game in the code A tournament can mean you immediately have to wait at least 1 GSL to get a shot a code A again. Also the fact that getting 3rd or 4th in your group matters so much is totally stupid. MKP got unlucky to get 4th with a 1-2 result and now he will only have 1 shot to retain his status. It is quite likely that MKP or Nestea will drop to code A as Leenock will have to lose 2 subsequent Bo3's to not make it. I definately give it at least 30% for Leenock to win one of potential 2 BO3s... Just give more protection to the top and a lot less protection to the middle guys and let code A be a bit more fair.
I'd like it better if they just had one tournament like the OSL and MSL. They can open up half the spots in what is now the Code S tournament to the top players in what is now the Code A tournament. That way good players don't have to wait an extra season to get to the top or make it back up while weaker players get thrown out faster but have a chance to come back.
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Given that HuK only has to practice PvP for TSL and GSL, I think he should be quite well prepared; especially if he prepares with MC.
Leenock did get ridiculously unlucky, and whoever comes out of that group pretty much wins Code A next season.
Given that I'm a starcraft nubile all i hear about BoxeR are fantasies of days gone by when he was a gaming demigod, so it'd be cool to see him roflstomp his group.
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Does only 1 player from each group make it to code s?
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Wow Leenock has the worst luck ever. Nestea AND marineking?
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So my predictions are :
Group A:
If Huk gets enough practice in a and with a bit of luck he should be able to take down Inca or Choya getting him into code S but between Inca and Choya I will have to go with Inca. So we might see Choya head to Code A if he doesnt show some good games.
Group B
This is the probably one of the harder groups. Leenock has to play a ZvZ first and Nestea is unbeaten in ZvZ so he might have to go up against MKP, and MKP is no easy opponent. So Leenock might head back to Code A unless the curse returns and MKP/Nestea mess up and head to Code A.
Group C
Virus
Ace
Group D
Killer
Boxer
Group E
Alicia
MvP
Group F
TOP
Hyperdub
Group G
Supernova
Best
Group H
Losira
Rainbow
Just too tired atm to stay why for each one but hey the curse could return and a lot of legends fall into Code A.
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wow.... sucks to be Leenock.
Glad to see that HuK got a relatively easy group though.
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On March 12 2011 03:28 socommaster123 wrote:
Does only 1 player from each group make it to code s?
i think 2.
bottom 16 of code S and top 8 of code a. so 2 will go code S and one will stay or drop to code a.
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On March 12 2011 03:02 Markwerf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 01:37 Blueblister wrote:On March 11 2011 22:07 Markwerf wrote:
This is so retarded. MKP, leenock and nestea in one group while an other group is supernova, polt & the best.
GSL tournament setup atm is just completely retarded. There should definately be some more seeding to avoid random knockouts of good players.
It is already stupid that both finalists of the previous GSL have to play up and down matches, who should play up and down from the code S players should really be determined by results in the previous two GSL's or even three. Ie. If you reach final your safe for the next 2 GSL's.
Even then if that is not used there should at least be a seeded placement for the up and down groups. Nestea and MKP, the 2 players with the best overall GSL results, in the same group? That is just retarded, the chance of one of them getting knocked out is fairly decent now as Leenock is quite a fine player who nearly beat MKP in previous GSLs already.
They should have just paired the best GSL players from code S to the worst in the up down matches, ie MVP with Polt, MKP with Hyperdub or something like that.
Say whaaat??? Do you even follow the GSL and its seedings? Nestea and MKP preformed badly and have no one but themselves to blame. MvP had a pretty tough group, but because of the seedings. He still lost to a Code A Ro8 player! If any conclusions can be drawn from the current GSL (where 6 of the top 8 is from Up & Down matches), then it is that past achievements is greatly overrated in terms of future performance. This game is too young to have "bonjwas". Up and coming players are already have a very hard time getting into the top tourneys because of the many invite slots to each event. Please don't encourage more MLG-like structures. It's hardly possible to have more seeding than GSL already do. Stronger seedings fore Code S players would only be given because of sentimental attachment, not skill. If you are a good enough player, you should be able to qualify for a tournament by your on strength. I'm just saying GSL has the wrong form of protection for their top players. The real top that have consistently done well in the last few GSLs (Nestea, MKP, MVP etc.) should be protected more while the rest of the code S players should get less protection, ie they shouldn't be safe just because they make it to ro16. I do agree that getting into Code S is too hard or better said too random. Code A shouldn't be a knockout tournament but a league or a poul system. Getting a bad matchup or bad game in the code A tournament can mean you immediately have to wait at least 1 GSL to get a shot a code A again. Also the fact that getting 3rd or 4th in your group matters so much is totally stupid. MKP got unlucky to get 4th with a 1-2 result and now he will only have 1 shot to retain his status. It is quite likely that MKP or Nestea will drop to code A as Leenock will have to lose 2 subsequent Bo3's to not make it. I definately give it at least 30% for Leenock to win one of potential 2 BO3s... Just give more protection to the top and a lot less protection to the middle guys and let code A be a bit more fair.
If they're not performing up to their standards they shouldn't be protected. If they want to earn top money they have to earn it and continue proving that they are worthy.
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On March 12 2011 03:38 Swagasaurus wrote:
wow.... sucks to be Leenock.
Glad to see that HuK got a relatively easy group though.
Sucks to be MKP you mean :D
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If Leenock wins I'll be like "suuuck!
I think it's all fair though. I saw the draw process, it was so disciplined, open and organized that it was impossible to fake. They even located caster cameras at an angle which allows spectators to see the draw bin 100% of the time. There was no camera which failed to spot the jar once the process began.
As to people who say that randomness isn't fair, then sports are not for you in general. Moreover, life is not likely to be successful for you guys, sorry.
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God I hope Sangho makes it up.
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I like the current GSL system, and I think there should be no "protection" for veteran players or former GSL champions. Everyone has to fight for it, everyone gets a chance. This may cause upsets, sure (but I'd argue that those aren't neccessarily a bad thing to happen), but it also creates opportunities for newer players (think Losira) or those that managed to improve vastly (think San) to show their worth.
Imagine a protection system were in place and one of the "big names" would hit a massive slump. MKP would suddenly fail at microing, MVP would stop macroing and NesTea would all-in all day long. Would you want to see those games? Should worthier players be denied spots in Code S just because other people achieved things in the past? No.
The current system isn't perfect obviously since it still has some loopholes - some mediocre players manage to stay in Code S every now and then. But that can't be avoided unless everyone's willing to play (and watch) a much larger number of games to truly determine skill.
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What the eff man? Nestea and MKP in the same group? So may be 1 or 2 of them have to play in Code A?
My prediction:
Group A: Inca will take this for sure
B: Nestea or MKP, but i think Nestea has 60% to advance.
C: Ace got this
D: Zenio
E: hard one, Alicia is very good in PvT, but sorry MVP is a beast!
F: TOP
G: SuperNova
H:Losira ofc!
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On March 12 2011 03:48 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 03:38 Swagasaurus wrote:
wow.... sucks to be Leenock.
Glad to see that HuK got a relatively easy group though. Sucks to be MKP you mean :D
MKP has the best TvZ up to now, what are you talking about -___-
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huk can still do this even is hes against 2p, it could be a lot worse.
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On March 12 2011 03:58 hitman133 wrote:
What the eff man? Nestea and MKP in the same group? So may be 1 or 2 of them have to play in Code A?
My prediction:
Group A: Inca will take this for sure
B: Nestea or MKP, but i think Nestea has 60% to advance.
C: Ace got this
D: Zenio
E: hard one, Alicia is very good in PvT, but sorry MVP is a beast!
F: TOP
G: SuperNova
H:Losira ofc!
It's 2 out of the 3 players not 1.
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My predictions:
A
Liquid (P)HuK UP
oGs (P)InCa UP
(P)Choya fOu DOWN
B
(Z)Leenock fOu DOWN
IM (Z)NesTea UP
(T)MarineKing Prime UP
C
ST (T)Virus DOWN
TSL (Z)FruitDealer UP
ST (P)Ace UP
D
TSL (Z)KiLLeR UP
oGs (Z)Zenio UP
SlayerS (T)BoxeR DOWN
E
SlayerS (P)Alicia UP
IM (T)MVP UP
(P)Genius DOWN
F
TSL (T)Rain DOWN
oGs (T)TOP UP
oGs (T)Hyperdub UP
G
oGs (T)SuperNoVa UP
(T)Polt Prime UP
(T)TheBest fOu DOWN
H
IM (Z)Losira UP
(P)BanBans Zenith DOWN
ST (T)RainBOw UP
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Rain or Hyperdub will be in Code S next season... How disappointing.
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EPT
