EPT[GCPL Semi Final] Dignitas vs EG - Page 38
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On March 14 2011 07:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Most of my TvPs make it look worse than it actually is because im bad vs protoss. Haha oh Jinro :p perfect response needed in this thread  I love how IdrA goes down in a Bo3 against a seriously good Protoss and the game is imbalance, Protoss is invincible and all of "us" are retarded for not coddling to all the zerg QQ .. Stop looking for an opportunity to trash the game and turn this forum in the b.net forums.. It's really sad to read page upon page of balance crap.. Whenever IdrA wins is zerg OP? I doubt it.. but i guess some things will never change.. Well played dignitas GCPL has produced some incredible series.. and now fnatic vs dignitas in the finals? Slightly insane | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 14 2011 07:11 Slow Motion wrote: I hope the progamers who posted in this thread and who are reading it don't get frustrated because of the idiots. A lot of us enjoy reading your thoughts, but we just don't bother to engage in meaningless arguments with some of the people in threads like these. It would be a shame if y'all stopped sharing your thoughts about games with us just because of the vocal minority. I think the minority has become the majority really. At least from what I've seen. The number of progamers that post now compared to BW has gone down so drastically  | ||
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On March 14 2011 07:12 Numy wrote: I think the minority has begun the majority really. At least from what I've seen. The number of progamers that post now compared to BW has gone down so drastically There was reference to this on SotG .. probably not the correct thread to be discussing it in but iNcontrol i think it basically came down to the size of the community exploding which has resulted in a serious reduction in quality control - whether the admins have to relax their standards due to the size of the community, or they simply don't have enough time (considering how much shit they actually catch it's insane the people that still post here) the general quality of the TL forums have decreased.. It's basically our responsibility though.. If we want the forums to be better, we have to be determined to post better simple | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
IdrA: you outplayed me and I deserve to lose IdrA: also, zerg isn't weak and the game is balanced IdrA: gg wp IdrA has left the game! | ||
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Karthane
United States1183 Posts
On March 14 2011 06:43 Raiznhell wrote: IdrA loses a best of 3, 2-1 and the game is imbalanced this is dumb. If this minuscule series can dictate that then I say ZvZ Assembly finals,2 and possibly 3 GSL Zerg champions, Zerg Code A champion all dictate Zerg is OP. NOT. IdrA did not play up to par and nobody can argue that. lil' newbies like myself can tell that getting THAT many Corruptors for such few Collossi(and no Broodlords) and not getting the gas geysers at the bottom 3rd and 4rth bases means he didn't play up to the level of his opponent in this match. So many things can factor into this in that IdrA has been spending the past little while moving back to America and is in a bad mindset. Regardless, Julyzerg has been crushing face and not even doing anything "right" by IdrAs standards like not having good creep spread and also doing fail banelings drops and so many things. It's obviously not stupidly broken. Having the majority of your army being corruptors is not a good army composition. Bad decision making is what lead to IdrA losing. You really, really do not know what you are talking about. He only had about 10 corruptors for about 4-5 collosi. That is what you need to down the collissi. And as for Julyzerg i'm pretty sure most top level Zergs and many other pros agree that he is really over hyped. Sure he has a cool agressive style, but he really is gimmicky and did not deserve to win against MVP at all. He got lucky when mvp lifted his rax and it was gg. No skill involved. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On March 14 2011 06:43 Raiznhell wrote: Regardless, Julyzerg has been crushing face and not even doing anything "right" by IdrAs standards like not having good creep spread and also doing fail banelings drops and so many things. It's obviously not stupidly broken. Having the majority of your army being corruptors is not a good army composition. Bad decision making is what lead to IdrA losing. Not taking anything away from July, but as far as SC2 standards go he is basically the "Rain" of Zerg, it's just that it's more entertaining watching him cheese cause...it's freakin' July. So even though IdrA didn't play up to par perhaps, using July as a comparison of Zerg isn't great. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On March 14 2011 07:34 Karthane wrote: You really, really do not know what you are talking about. He only had about 10 corruptors for about 4-5 collosi. That is what you need to down the collissi. And as for Julyzerg i'm pretty sure most top level Zergs and many other pros agree that he is really over hyped. Sure he has a cool agressive style, but he really is gimmicky and did not deserve to win against MVP at all. He got lucky when mvp lifted his rax and it was gg. No skill involved. Idra had 15 corruptors vs 4 colossus. When the battle ended, he still had 12-13 left. It was a little bit overkill. | ||
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
On March 14 2011 07:34 Karthane wrote: You really, really do not know what you are talking about. He only had about 10 corruptors for about 4-5 collosi. That is what you need to down the collissi. And as for Julyzerg i'm pretty sure most top level Zergs and many other pros agree that he is really over hyped. Sure he has a cool agressive style, but he really is gimmicky and did not deserve to win against MVP at all. He got lucky when mvp lifted his rax and it was gg. No skill involved. He had way more than 10 Corruptors kid so I think it's you who doesn't know what they are talking about. | ||
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Zedromas
Canada112 Posts
The thread is too long for me to go through and find out if anyone else has mentioned this but; If Idra had started a greater spire as soon as his Hive had finished, he would have won the game. That is all. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On March 14 2011 07:41 Tachion wrote: Idra had 15 corruptors vs 4 colossus. When the battle ended, he still had 12-13 left. It was a little bit overkill. 15 corruptors doesn't sound too much. If only a couple was killed it had to be because Nani was focusing on Idras ground army. If Idra had gotten less corruptors giving the collosi free reign to kill his ground army, guess what people would have been saying then? | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On March 14 2011 07:12 bkrow wrote: I love how IdrA goes down in a Bo3 against a seriously good Protoss and the game is imbalance, Protoss is invincible and all of "us" are retarded for not coddling to all the zerg QQ .. the reason why people take idra whine more seriously than others is because idra is one of the best macro players in the game and one of the best zergs aswell, and he lost in a macro game pretty handily to a mid-tier foreign protoss. no offense intended - i personally think idra played beneath his best in the final game, and naniwa is obviously good - but yea. | ||
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On March 14 2011 09:11 kNyTTyM wrote: Meh I've stopped following Idra as much as I did before. His style just doesn't suit zerg at the moment and I doubt a patch is going to help. idras "style" is arguably the way zerg was meant to be played. julys style is extremely risky all-in stuff most of the time. | ||
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On March 14 2011 09:16 imbs wrote: the reason why people take idra whine more seriously than others is because idra is one of the best macro players in the game and one of the best zergs aswell, and he lost in a macro game pretty handily to a mid-tier foreign protoss. no offense intended - i personally think idra played beneath his best in the final game, and naniwa is obviously good - but yea. I am unsure but did you just reference Naniwa as a "mid-tier foreign Protoss" .. that is a pretty silly statement to make.. Naniwa is a solid contender and if not for some immature controversy on his part; he would be a household name (if he isn't already..) IdrA is one of the best zergs in the game without a doubt; but believe it or not he is capable of making mistakes.. Hive Tech units? I'm not saying ZvP is or isn't broken or any comment on balance; but because IdrA is so vocal - everytime he loses a game, the zerg army unites in a massive "Zerg so UP" posting bananza.. IdrA is capable of being one of the best macro zergs; but he is also one of the worst at adapting and can be incredibly predictable.. It's just frustrating to see the amount of crap posts that one Bo3 loss for a zerg can accrue.. | ||
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Vansetsu
United States1454 Posts
tt1 made a good point about loosing position top at 1 of his expansions, but in reality idra could have easily wiped out alot of nani's production facilities and then came home and turtled to win. And personally, I also think nani played very smart in certain engagements, ie when i saw him blink on a group of hydras with pure stalkers i was very happy; most players would think auto loose but nani didn't get punked out and kept that ball from getting any bigger than it needed to. It's not to say who the better player is, but the player who played better definatley won today. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On March 14 2011 09:17 imbs wrote: idras "style" is arguably the way zerg was meant to be played. julys style is extremely risky all-in stuff most of the time. It's not only an all-in/macro issue, Idra always sticks to roach/hydra/corrupter until he wins or loses the game. Other players are also doing baneling bombs, teching to broodlords, etc. | ||
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dragoonier
Germany154 Posts
In my opinion the only way to play the matchup at the moment for zerg is to either drop a lot or do a roach allin or baneling bust. | ||
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On March 14 2011 09:31 vdale wrote: It's not only an all-in/macro issue, Idra always sticks to roach/hydra/corrupter until he wins or loses the game. Other players are also doing baneling bombs, teching to broodlords, etc. actually idra makes stuff depending on what he thinks is coming i believe, which just happens to mean roach hydra corruptor alot of the time. like at the end of the game against nani he switched to only hydra - they are zergs best unit vs immortal/gateway unit so yea. i agree that he perhaps doesnt utilize banelings and baneling drops enough tho. | ||
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imbs
United Kingdom320 Posts
On March 14 2011 09:17 bkrow wrote: Well he is playing in the SGL Playoffs soon against ROOT and they have 2 Protoss in their line up .. so i hope he can figure something out and get an All Kill hehe I am unsure but did you just reference Naniwa as a "mid-tier foreign Protoss" .. that is a pretty silly statement to make.. Naniwa is a solid contender and if not for some immature controversy on his part; he would be a household name (if he isn't already..) IdrA is one of the best zergs in the game without a doubt; but believe it or not he is capable of making mistakes.. Hive Tech units? I'm not saying ZvP is or isn't broken or any comment on balance; but because IdrA is so vocal - everytime he loses a game, the zerg army unites in a massive "Zerg so UP" posting bananza.. IdrA is capable of being one of the best macro zergs; but he is also one of the worst at adapting and can be incredibly predictable.. It's just frustrating to see the amount of crap posts that one Bo3 loss for a zerg can accrue.. i agree mostly, i didnt mean that naniwa is just another foreigner or anything like that, i just meant that hes seen as "lesser" than idra so yea people will unquestioningly put it down to imba. | ||
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