EPT[IEM] Day 1 - Page 235
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Husnan
France298 Posts
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:25 Dandel Ion wrote: Okay, a skit through the winner's bracket shows: Junwi knocked out by Incontrol in the second round Hannibal knocked out by lalush in the second round Supernova knocked out by Moonglade in the second round cute knocked out by Ciara in the first round kkoma knocked out by Select in the second round ParkJongHyuk knocked out by Killer (dignitas one, not sang-ho) in the first round Check knocked out by "Steve" in the second round To be fair, want, J and Vines were teamkilled in WB. Got kicked in LB though (vines by Goody, J by Sheth). Still, just the fact that 2 koreans are in the finals does not make it KOREA DOMINATION or something like that. StC and Hero were the best players there, nothing else to it. Today, Ace aced his group. Was he better than the others? Yeah. qxc and tarson played dissapointing (especially former...), morrow and idra reminded me why I dont like ZvP (though if I remember right idra just threw one of his games away, but non-sure on that one) and White-Ra is not particularily good in PvP... So he was better. And I predict him to win IEM. Will this repeat itself in group B? Probably not. Squirtle is good, no doubt. But group B seems much more even. SjoW and Socke could very well win against Squirtle, and although it pains my casual-WC3-observer heart, Moon is just not that great in SC2. All in all, I suppose it's just too early to claim Korean supremacy. It might come in time, as sc2 gets more figured out, but right now I only see some very talented individuals (and some lesser talented in the mix), regardless of their origin. a lot of foreigners knocking koreans were walkthroughs check the score it should be 1:0 not 2:0 or 2:1 like other scores | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:29 aru wrote: Yes, TOP and Inca lost at Dreamhack with TOP eliminating Inca, but people seem to forget that TOP won the Kaspersky Invitational and the 2 people who won Dreamhack didn't even make winner's circle. Maybe it says something when Korean losses to foreigners are more memorable than them winning. yeah, but top won 2-1 vs Sjow and that was his only match against a foreigner. If your saying that he is on a similar level as the top Europeans, than you can mention Dreamhack, but if you say that he is much better than the top Europeans, you have to show more results than one close Bo3 to proof your point. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:25 Dandel Ion wrote: Okay, a skit through the winner's bracket shows: Junwi knocked out by Incontrol in the second round Hannibal knocked out by lalush in the second round Supernova knocked out by Moonglade in the second round cute knocked out by Ciara in the first round kkoma knocked out by Select in the second round ParkJongHyuk knocked out by Killer (dignitas one, not sang-ho) in the first round Check knocked out by "Steve" in the second round To be fair, want, J and Vines were teamkilled in WB. Got kicked in LB though (vines by Goody, J by Sheth). Still, just the fact that 2 koreans are in the finals does not make it KOREA DOMINATION or something like that. StC and Hero were the best players there, nothing else to it. Today, Ace aced his group. Was he better than the others? Yeah. qxc and tarson played dissapointing (especially former...), morrow and idra reminded me why I dont like ZvP (though if I remember right idra just threw one of his games away, but non-sure on that one) and White-Ra is not particularily good in PvP... So he was better. And I predict him to win IEM. Will this repeat itself in group B? Probably not. Squirtle is good, no doubt. But group B seems much more even. SjoW and Socke could very well win against Squirtle, and although it pains my casual-WC3-observer heart, Moon is just not that great in SC2. All in all, I suppose it's just too early to claim Korean supremacy. It might come in time, as sc2 gets more figured out, but right now I only see some very talented individuals (and some lesser talented in the mix), regardless of their origin. I know for a fact that most of the koreans didn't show up for their matches. If I remember correctly, only kkoma (Littleboy) was the only korean to show up and lost in the first round of the FXO. | ||
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Omgzpwnd
Poland59 Posts
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Kazzabiss
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:25 Dandel Ion wrote: Okay, a skit through the winner's bracket shows: Junwi knocked out by Incontrol in the second round Hannibal knocked out by lalush in the second round Supernova knocked out by Moonglade in the second round cute knocked out by Ciara in the first round kkoma knocked out by Select in the second round ParkJongHyuk knocked out by Killer (dignitas one, not sang-ho) in the first round Check knocked out by "Steve" in the second round Junwi was a forfeit Hannibal was a forfeit Glade beat Nova Cute was a forfeit SeleCT is korean (though killer legit beat kkoma) xD ParkJongHyuk was a forfeit Check was a forfeit There was an unfortunate miscommunication with the manager from Prime, as well as other technical issues involving the relocalizer I believe  Not to mention playing NA to Korea is notoriously horrid. === I wanted to say thanks to Hydra for his cast of the Ace vs Squirtle game 1 replay, I missed the match when it was happening live since it was on the German stream and I'd wanted to see how it went. Ace sure loves his phoenix play =) | ||
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:37 Omgzpwnd wrote: it kinda sux that there are only 2 sc2 vod's uploaded ;F You can simply download the replays. I actually rather watch replays from a 1st person view of one of the players than a VOD, depending on the caster(s) of course. | ||
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Vectoor
Sweden62 Posts
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:44 Vectoor wrote: Can you get the replays anywhere? http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season5/hanover/sc2_groupstage/ Click on the 'vs.' for replays. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:29 PartyBiscuit wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_V_-_World_Championship You can see in the group stages, the count the number of sets you win/lose as well (not just if you won a match or not) cool thanks. | ||
Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:35 zerious wrote: I know for a fact that most of the koreans didn't show up for their matches. If I remember correctly, only kkoma (Littleboy) was the only korean to show up and lost in the first round of the FXO. So that was what 1-0 meant. Disregard my post then. Vines, Supernova, J, want, StC and Hero were the only one who played, then. Not that big of a sample... Well, Vines fought in the loser's bracket too. While J presumably left after being kicked. Sorry for presuming, only saw the finals. And that blabbering about "decent balance of Koreans and Westeners". Rest of the post was my opinion, so I stand by that. | ||
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aru
183 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:34 vdale wrote: yeah, but top won 2-1 vs Sjow and that was his only match against a foreigner. If your saying that he is on a similar level as the top Europeans, than you can mention Dreamhack, but if you say that he is much better than the top Europeans, you have to show more results than one close Bo3 to proof your point. Actually that was my point. You can't take the results of one tournament and conclude anything about it. However, outside of Dreamhack, all post-release tournaments with both Koreans and foreigners have ended with Koreans winning afaik. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
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storm8ring3r
Germany227 Posts
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On March 02 2011 05:30 Asha` wrote: Kaspersky saw 4 Korean based players invited to play 4 of the very top european players at the time (who were determined by group play). After the first round of knockout matches, it was only the Korean players left. There have been 2 FXOpens that saw Korean players invited, both were won fairly comfortably by a Korean player. Despite the prodigious foreign talent that has tried out for Code A, only one player has won a match in 5 attempts. Today saw a Korean invite absolutely romp through a group containing some of the best Western players without even dropping a map. Idra and Jinro are certainly proof that foreign players can compete at the top levels, I don't think anyone will argue that. It may be that despite todays domination a Western player does come out on top of the this tournament too. The point in general is that there are simply many Korean players capable of playing at that kind of level, while it seems increasingly clear there aren't that many Western players who can do so at the current point in time. Given differences in mentality, dedication to training, and concentration of quality practice partners, it subsequently seems likely that any divide will continue to expand rather than close. Kaspersky Top won that Kaspersky tournament convincingly against MC in the final. But I also remember SjoW outclassing Top in game 1 in their series, before losing the next two. I also believe Strelok took a game of Zenio before losing doing a weird strat on Scrap Station. Apart from that there was only one Korean vs EU-based matchup, MC beating Naama 2-0 easy. FXOpen I don't understand how you can say the Koreans won the FXOpens "comfortably". If I remember correctly TheStc had lots of trouble when he won, losing a game in every single series. Hero in the opens combined has shown he has serious trouble against foreign zergs even with their bad rep. TheStc was more dominant/impressive in the second FXOpen than the first imo, playing almost exclusively koreans, he played 1 foreigner, bubbles. Select almost counted as a foreigner has also been a force in the FXOpen but he has not in any way dominated the foreign scene. They all definitely can be beat. You could also see other Koreans going down to foreigners in the FXOpen. I definitely agree with what merz is trying to say. Of course the Koreans are better than foreigners when all is said and done, both in quantity and quality. The difference is growing, but they are not unbeatable in any way yet. I really hope top foreigners can start bridging the gap instead of letting it slowly slip more and more. Jinro leading by example. I also have to say I was a little disappointed by the play from our foreigners today, it seemed to me that the quality was a lot worse than in the Euro IEM. But that might just be me. I will not be surprised if Squirtle dominates tommorow, hope he doesn't, but if Moon does the same I might raise an eyebrow. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On March 02 2011 07:44 dani` wrote: You can simply download the replays. I actually rather watch replays from a 1st person view of one of the players than a VOD, depending on the caster(s) of course. Thats not an excuse. I watch VODs because I like watching with a commentator and for the entertainment, I don't watch them to learn. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On March 02 2011 06:13 loklok wrote: nope not all games. You have to watch the replays. So they basically don't care if people watch these games at all then. How could they not at least cast the games with Idra, him and Jinro are the undoubtely the best foreigners there are. Thank you for telling me though, now I won't waste my time looking for the games in the future and I won't be watching the stream because its at 3am. This is like the GSL, except they don't upload 90% of the games. edit: oops double post. | ||
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skaterkid24
Niger13 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On March 02 2011 08:23 skaterkid24 wrote: hello i am biggest white rawr fan, can someone please show me the interview of this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197530 | ||
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