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nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
February 09 2011 16:32 GMT
#1721
On February 09 2011 23:58 Krehlmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 23:23 rysecake wrote:
Wonder why everyone here is such a stickler to 5 base macro games. As much as I love a good macro game, I can't deny that I like incredible micro even more. If someone can pull of a rush using only marines or void rays, etc and win the game in under 6 minutes then I'm not sure why playersl ike that are being insulted so much.

Because after 19 SCV rushes and 591 fourgates it gets fucking boring.

People (and by people I mean trolls and idiots) should really stop making the assumption that Macro means "boring 20 minute buildup to 1 minute fight game": That is not the godamn case. The reason SC1 is a prove of skill somewhat more than SC2 is at the moment is because in SC1 the pro's have huge macro AND micro skills. They produce out of shitloads of buildings, have 9 bases and are constantly fighting at minimum of 2 locations.

Sc2 has not evolved far enough for this skill level to be achieved, but there are some rare games where this has happend. I saw a IdrA ZvZ where the fight for the middle seriously lasted for 8 minutes. Both Z had 6 bases and were spewing out units by the huge amounts available out of 5 hatcheries with larve (the sixth was island expand).



TLDR:
Macro means a great economy and unit producing capacity, aswell as the strategy to USE THESE RESOURCES WELL meaning: Fighting, alot of godamn preasure, drops and fighting.

Macro is NOT boring ass buildup games where 1 fight happens and then one side won; That is just players not having evolved beyond the need of a basic deathball army.

what you want is more sc1 players basically... because only a few ever played sc1... the rest get an easy mode interface and still can't build up an army equal to the people who click every building to make units...
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Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1838 Posts
February 09 2011 17:14 GMT
#1722
This OP sucks. What were the results for second match?
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
February 09 2011 17:22 GMT
#1723
results can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/leagues/969_GSTL_Feb./games
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
February 09 2011 17:46 GMT
#1724
Wow, ST_Ace killing it.
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HydroXy
Profile Joined May 2010
United States513 Posts
February 09 2011 18:39 GMT
#1725
OP: I appreciate the effort creating the thread, but why just stop posting ? x.x
Anyway, + Show Spoiler +
IM is looking to be well beyond the rest of the SC2 pro teams right now
MisterPuppy
Profile Joined August 2010
161 Posts
February 09 2011 19:31 GMT
#1726
is anyone having trouble buying a ticket on the gom website? this is ridiculous
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 09 2011 20:00 GMT
#1727
Can we get a mod to fix the OP please
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
February 09 2011 20:29 GMT
#1728
Well for one its hard to read and he just quit halfway and didn't even TLPD it up.

Just let someone else make the thread if you don't have any experience formatting it. =\
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TheGiftedApe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1243 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 20:52:12
February 09 2011 20:48 GMT
#1729
On February 10 2011 02:14 Odoakar wrote:
This OP sucks. What were the results for second match?


up now

being warned is better than being fired from my real life job.............I only made the OP cause we were half way into the first match and no one else was going to make it, so instead of having 20 half assed GSTL day3 thread I volunteered. Should have just let the trolls make 40 terribad threads in hindsight.
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fearlessparagon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States104 Posts
February 09 2011 20:53 GMT
#1730
not an excuse
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win
Dawski
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada435 Posts
February 09 2011 20:58 GMT
#1731
On February 10 2011 05:48 TheGiftedApe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 02:14 Odoakar wrote:
This OP sucks. What were the results for second match?


up now

being warned is better than being fired from my real life job.............I only made the OP cause we were half way into the first match and no one else was going to make it, so instead of having 20 half assed GSTL day3 thread I volunteered. Should have just let the trolls make 40 terribad threads in hindsight.


1 terribad thread is just as bad. I wouldnt have responded to this but your passive-aggression for no reason (you must have known you would get flamed at) kinda set me off
do you REALLY want additional pylons?
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
February 09 2011 21:02 GMT
#1732
On February 10 2011 05:48 TheGiftedApe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 02:14 Odoakar wrote:
This OP sucks. What were the results for second match?


up now

being warned is better than being fired from my real life job.............I only made the OP cause we were half way into the first match and no one else was going to make it, so instead of having 20 half assed GSTL day3 thread I volunteered. Should have just let the trolls make 40 terribad threads in hindsight.



Then don't make the thread. If you can't devote to it, then you shouldn't do it. I understand you wanted to just put up a thread because no one else would, but I think a better idea would have been to contact a mod or something. Im sure they could deal with it or find somebody
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Babaganoush
Profile Joined November 2010
United States626 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 21:18:38
February 09 2011 21:13 GMT
#1733
I don't see why you guys are so hard on the guy. It was 20 minutes into the tournament and no one bothered to stand up and make a thread. Usually I see these LR threads being posted half a hour or a hour ahead of time.

Sure it was updated half way and it was a bit amateurish - but he learned his lesson. No need to bash him further.

On February 10 2011 01:32 nalgene wrote:
what you want is more sc1 players basically... because only a few ever played sc1... the rest get an easy mode interface and still can't build up an army equal to the people who click every building to make units...


I really don't think this is the case. We have seen a lot of SC1 pros/semi-pros come into the scene (July, Rainbow, Boxer, Nada, etc) and fail to get anywhere. The game design seems to be based on the one big battle thing unfortunately....


Anyway on-topic: There's no stopping IM - most of their players seem solid and with two GSL winners in the team... it's only going to get better for them.
Stick a fork in those buns.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8714 Posts
February 09 2011 21:19 GMT
#1734
Every day I'm watching IM players I'm more and more impressed how could this team is at the whole. Don't get it, why they were doing so bad at Zotac Team Invitational.

Anyways, where can I contact a Mod or someone for TLPD? I realised that some recent games from yesterday (MC vs Mvp) are not noted but the games from today are there already.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
February 09 2011 21:25 GMT
#1735
On February 10 2011 06:19 Miragee wrote:
Every day I'm watching IM players I'm more and more impressed how could this team is at the whole. Don't get it, why they were doing so bad at Zotac Team Invitational.

Anyways, where can I contact a Mod or someone for TLPD? I realised that some recent games from yesterday (MC vs Mvp) are not noted but the games from today are there already.

You can report errors any time at the TLPD Feedback Thread and we'll get to them. What games are missing right now?
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RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
February 09 2011 21:33 GMT
#1736
wow totally thought the first match would go opposite of the way it did... second kinda predictable though! epic finals for sureeeeee
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Phayt
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada346 Posts
February 09 2011 22:03 GMT
#1737
On February 10 2011 06:13 Babaganoush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 01:32 nalgene wrote:
what you want is more sc1 players basically... because only a few ever played sc1... the rest get an easy mode interface and still can't build up an army equal to the people who click every building to make units...


I really don't think this is the case. We have seen a lot of SC1 pros/semi-pros come into the scene (July, Rainbow, Boxer, Nada, etc) and fail to get anywhere. The game design seems to be based on the one big battle thing unfortunately....


Anyway on-topic: There's no stopping IM - most of their players seem solid and with two GSL winners in the team... it's only going to get better for them.



Those four are ALL in Code S, so I don't know what you mean by them getting nowhere. They're all among top SC2 players. And the past two GSL Champions were both SC1 progamers as well, although considerably less successful than the four you mentioned. In fact, Nestea and Fruitdealer played pro BW to some extent too. That's literally every GSL champ.

Basically, what the hell are you on about?

p.s. ST>IM

Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8714 Posts
February 09 2011 22:04 GMT
#1738
On February 10 2011 06:25 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 06:19 Miragee wrote:
Every day I'm watching IM players I'm more and more impressed how could this team is at the whole. Don't get it, why they were doing so bad at Zotac Team Invitational.

Anyways, where can I contact a Mod or someone for TLPD? I realised that some recent games from yesterday (MC vs Mvp) are not noted but the games from today are there already.

You can report errors any time at the TLPD Feedback Thread and we'll get to them. What games are missing right now?


Just checked and now its fully completed. Nice work btw.


Also stop dissing the OP starter please. Don't get why everything must be perfect all the time and it's better than nothing. I'm really sure a lot of poeple would cry if there wouldn't be a thread like this.

@Makrogamediskussion: I'm not sure. At the moment it seems a bit like Starcraft 2 is an "one fight and all ist over"-game. But than we have games like Clide vs Ace from today with drop/warp/harassaction all over the map the whole game long. And this is, what makes me hoping for better times. There are three big factors which will decide about it: The skill of the players (that for sure will increase in the future so I don't worry as much about it), the maps (there are already sign for a good way in the future) and finally add ons and game changes (maybe the game will be more strategedly with some changes in the future, I really hope so).
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
February 09 2011 22:05 GMT
#1739
I love tal'darim altar so much. The map is beautiful and just provides great games due to the distance and wide open middle.

The GSTL finals are tonight, same time as always. correct?
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Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
February 09 2011 22:06 GMT
#1740
On February 10 2011 05:48 TheGiftedApe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 02:14 Odoakar wrote:
This OP sucks. What were the results for second match?


up now

being warned is better than being fired from my real life job.............I only made the OP cause we were half way into the first match and no one else was going to make it, so instead of having 20 half assed GSTL day3 thread I volunteered. Should have just let the trolls make 40 terribad threads in hindsight.

'Trolls make 40 terribad threads'? wat

No, this thread was just bad, someone who could make a good thread didn't because someone had already made a bad one, this one.
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