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TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
February 10 2011 05:20 GMT
#101
The DT timing was very well executed by Huk. They popped out at the exact moment that he needed them
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 10 2011 05:22 GMT
#102
Remember guys, pvp is huk's worst matchup.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
February 10 2011 05:24 GMT
#103
I'm a bit nervous about HuK at the moment. He seems to have these massive infrastructure investments which he combines with attacks. Like in the game vs Nestea he builds a nexus, 4 gateways, and moves out at the same time. This game he built six gateways + upgrades + robo bay at the same time, and almost lost thanks to it. I mean, all these games he still won, but there seem to be timing windows where he's very weak at.
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Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-10 05:28:58
February 10 2011 05:28 GMT
#104
Why did HasuObs use three different probes to build Nexus/Pylon/Assimilator simulatenously? Looks to me like he boxed some probes and then went over and built (which assigns one to each building).
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-10 05:30:48
February 10 2011 05:28 GMT
#105
On February 10 2011 14:24 Daigomi wrote:
I'm a bit nervous about HuK at the moment. He seems to have these massive infrastructure investments which he combines with attacks. Like in the game vs Nestea he builds a nexus, 4 gateways, and moves out at the same time. This game he built six gateways + upgrades + robo bay at the same time, and almost lost thanks to it. I mean, all these games he still won, but there seem to be timing windows where he's very weak at.


I always feel stupid criticizing details of a pro's play, but from watching Huk's stream quite a lot, I think this is a problem he's had for a while. He's not a safe player by any means and he has quite a lot of losses on ladder where his opponent just hits that timing where Huk has almost no units. I'm not sure whether Huk does this consciously, but especially in this game just now it seemed pretty silly. He had that game completely won anyway, why risk it?

Also, he played Nestea? :O link please?
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
February 10 2011 05:38 GMT
#106
Granted Hasu played amazingly, there's a question mark over TLO's TvP.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
February 10 2011 05:39 GMT
#107
lol they played an ace match
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-10 05:41:36
February 10 2011 05:40 GMT
#108
On February 10 2011 14:28 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 14:24 Daigomi wrote:
I'm a bit nervous about HuK at the moment. He seems to have these massive infrastructure investments which he combines with attacks. Like in the game vs Nestea he builds a nexus, 4 gateways, and moves out at the same time. This game he built six gateways + upgrades + robo bay at the same time, and almost lost thanks to it. I mean, all these games he still won, but there seem to be timing windows where he's very weak at.


I always feel stupid criticizing details of a pro's play, but from watching Huk's stream quite a lot, I think this is a problem he's had for a while. He's not a safe player by any means and he has quite a lot of losses on ladder where his opponent just hits that timing where Huk has almost no units. I'm not sure whether Huk does this consciously, but especially in this game just now it seemed pretty silly. He had that game completely won anyway, why risk it?

Also, he played Nestea? :O link please?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191589

There are two games in there, and he does the strange mass infrastructure + attack move in both of them. It just seems like strange decision making for me.
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catamorphist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States297 Posts
February 10 2011 05:40 GMT
#109
These teams actually like playing the game apparently : - )
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/281144/1/catamorphist/
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 10 2011 05:41 GMT
#110
thanks!
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
February 10 2011 05:42 GMT
#111
On February 10 2011 14:40 Daigomi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 14:28 Orome wrote:
On February 10 2011 14:24 Daigomi wrote:
I'm a bit nervous about HuK at the moment. He seems to have these massive infrastructure investments which he combines with attacks. Like in the game vs Nestea he builds a nexus, 4 gateways, and moves out at the same time. This game he built six gateways + upgrades + robo bay at the same time, and almost lost thanks to it. I mean, all these games he still won, but there seem to be timing windows where he's very weak at.


I always feel stupid criticizing details of a pro's play, but from watching Huk's stream quite a lot, I think this is a problem he's had for a while. He's not a safe player by any means and he has quite a lot of losses on ladder where his opponent just hits that timing where Huk has almost no units. I'm not sure whether Huk does this consciously, but especially in this game just now it seemed pretty silly. He had that game completely won anyway, why risk it?

Also, he played Nestea? :O link please?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191589

There are two games in there, and he does the strange mass infrastructure + attack move in both of them.


Personally I use Artosis's advice (when you're building structures during an attack you have that many less units) but HuK is much better than me obviously.

I assume with scouting he only does it when he feels comfortable his current army will hold up during the fight and that the structures he builds will help him earlier than if he waited until after his attack.
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deerpark87
Profile Joined January 2011
760 Posts
February 10 2011 05:43 GMT
#112
haha liquid wins 3-0 but they are playing more games for fun
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
February 10 2011 05:46 GMT
#113
On February 10 2011 14:24 Daigomi wrote:
I'm a bit nervous about HuK at the moment. He seems to have these massive infrastructure investments which he combines with attacks. Like in the game vs Nestea he builds a nexus, 4 gateways, and moves out at the same time. This game he built six gateways + upgrades + robo bay at the same time, and almost lost thanks to it. I mean, all these games he still won, but there seem to be timing windows where he's very weak at.

Well I think in this specific game, his infrastructure was delayed because of his dt tech. And after Mana got obs, the dts just became useless so he needed more gateways. I think he moved out because he wanted to make the most of his dt advantage, unless I'm incorrectly recalling the order of events.

But I have seen what you're talking about on his stream. Though one time I heard Huk commentating on his stream, long time ago, he said something about how he learned in Korea that it's actually better to have more warpgates than you need, and maybe that's why he likes to build lots of gateways when he moves out. Hopefully, he can show us how much he's improved from his training in Korea.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-10 05:54:03
February 10 2011 05:50 GMT
#114
Transfusing the creep tumour! What a baller zerg.

His third is pretty slow though and Strelok is also getting a third. He needs to get a couple of more bases.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 10 2011 05:51 GMT
#115
daaaamn haypro

I really hope Haypro has his big breakthrough soon like Jinro had at MLG, he's looking better and better each time I watch him play.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
February 10 2011 05:54 GMT
#116
"It is fine. I shall expand anyways."

Hahaha <3 Incontrol
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
February 10 2011 05:57 GMT
#117
On February 10 2011 14:51 Orome wrote:
daaaamn haypro

I really hope Haypro has his big breakthrough soon like Jinro had at MLG, he's looking better and better each time I watch him play.

Then again, he doesn't scout that side of the map and lets strelok get into position without a problem. Sloppy.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
February 10 2011 05:59 GMT
#118
Wow that was amazing. Did you see that Moon? That's how you do it! :D
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Arccotangent
Profile Joined October 2010
519 Posts
February 10 2011 05:59 GMT
#119
Damn nice baneling mines, 5 banes for 25-40 rines.
"Taste the zombie's drug, now you want more."
Arccotangent
Profile Joined October 2010
519 Posts
February 10 2011 06:02 GMT
#120
More banelings, this time on the other lane of metalopolis.
"Taste the zombie's drug, now you want more."
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