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Ente
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1795 Posts
January 27 2011 11:03 GMT
#841
On January 27 2011 20:01 LoCaD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 19:59 holycrapitsTony wrote:
I find it kind of crazy that you can support so many barracks on one base.


you cant even that makes is all the more harsh only 4 constant production but maybe the extra 2 production cycles allone helped him get more units and how is a Z supposed to Rival that.


What? he never one based?
lol acc: Entenzwerg EUW http://www.twitch.tv/Entenzwerg league of legends stream (challenger EuW)
Inflexion
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada560 Posts
January 27 2011 11:03 GMT
#842
On January 27 2011 20:00 Live2Win wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 19:50 Demoralized Monkey wrote:
On January 27 2011 19:43 Live2Win wrote:
On January 27 2011 19:40 Demoralized Monkey wrote:
On January 27 2011 19:36 Live2Win wrote:
honestly I don't know how Artosis and Tasteless can say stuff like the crap that they're saying about a player and GOM not doing anything about it. It's so unprofessional I can't believe I'm actually hearing them talk this much crap about a player on a GLOBAL stream.

Lol... this is eSPORTS. Not e-"leisure game with Live2Win's kids." Extremely ironic name btw.

This is competitive gaming. COMPETITIVE. Any performer who performs really bad will get torched. Get it?

who the hell are you? I have been watching competitive SC since 6+ years ago. Trust me in Korea E-SPORTS is the same as any other "real" sport.

I couldn't care less about your "resumé". I don't know what planet you live on or what politically correct channels you watch all the time, but athletes getting torched when they perform real bad is nothing out of the ordinary. If you push with 2 tanks, 8 marines and a medivac that far into the game, you deserve to be torched. That is diamond level play.

You can whine all you want about this, it's you and perhaps two other people out of a hundred who have an issue regarding this.

i quoted my resume to inform you of the fact that though the reality is that esports isn't obviously treated as a real sport, the community supporting it and the stations running it (OGN and MBC) are all treating it as one.

My point is, the Koreans are doing their best to make it as professional as possible, so that they are comparable to any other sport. It would be nice if that vision was kept from all aspects, even the english casting.

If this was a simple re-stream casting online, I really wouldn't care. I do enjoy their jokes and I do like to hear "real" thoughts instead of commentators trying to defend the terrible player because it's being casted on TV.

But unfortunately, or rather quite fortunately, it's not. They are endorsed and employed by a company that wishes to have a professional image, and to have that respect.

Of course it is true that the Korean casting is waaay too "nice". I've heard some casters go out of their way saying ridiculous stuff to hopefully have the other player not look as stupid. I'm not asking for that level of catering. I like the fact that Tastosis will sometimes be raw and real about it and just point out when people are playing down right bad, rather than coating it nicely. But honestly that one game was really crossing boundaries.


Please read this. I wholeheartedly agree.
Four wheels move the body; two wheels move the soul.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 11:03:31
January 27 2011 11:03 GMT
#843
On January 27 2011 20:01 Tony Campolo wrote:
Artosis' unprofessionalism just makes watching GSL a horrible experience. Commentators need to be unbiased and not act like complete dickfucks.

No, they've to state the truth rather than lie/evade. Even LiveForever would agree he is terrible.
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
January 27 2011 11:03 GMT
#844
Yeah! Leenock is Code A. He better learn to "follow his heart"!????!? OMGROFLMAO Im laughing like Day9 badly here. I cant even breathe!
iceiceice: I’m going to make this short; I am the one true tinker player.
spidii
Profile Joined October 2010
United States372 Posts
January 27 2011 11:03 GMT
#845
On January 27 2011 20:02 GhostFall wrote:
i know we aren't suppose to talk about imbalance, but seriously that series was bullshit. live forever even said he was winging it and managed to get code S. I understand how w'e're suppose to improve ourselves. But seriously. how can you look at that game and not say its imbalanced. Leenock didn't even make that big of a mistake. He just had his baneling nest a little late, a regular timing for terran builds. Liveforever, is master league level at best, probably wouldnt even be in the top 200, yet is considered code s, because he is terran.



In the end, lots of Barracks + Stim + Combat Shield timing is super strong, you need to know it's coming, you need your banes earlier and that's what it comes down to. Otherwise, you're just not going to stop it.
SrJoSeZ
Profile Joined September 2010
Peru121 Posts
January 27 2011 11:03 GMT
#846
On January 27 2011 19:46 myti wrote:
why does artosis keep saying 2base stim push without pulling scv's is an all-in?

Because they hate terran, cuz they dont play terran.

They never celebrate terrans victory. Maybe only on tvt .
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
January 27 2011 11:03 GMT
#847
On January 27 2011 20:02 Agh wrote:
Not sure why everyone is bashing on liveforever. For all we know the guy could be working full time or doing other things and not have any time to play or practice.

Doing something that gives you the best chance to win seems pretty smart to me. Don't be so quick to judge another person.

Is live forever the one in school? He doesn't even seem to be wearing a uniform so...



Who else thinks the GSL interview music sounds like the ESPN World Series of Poker music?
n00b3rt
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria890 Posts
January 27 2011 11:03 GMT
#848
I rooted for LiveForever just to see Artosis's reaction. ROFL, I love it when he's wrong (that is, all the time :D)
Yeah, whatever
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 11:05:26
January 27 2011 11:03 GMT
#849
I wonder how some zergs easily stop this, but others can't. It was a simple 6 rax push. If it was imbalanced, then blizzard would have nerfed it already!

Game 2: 10:40 and leenock had some zerglings. A low master zerg has at least 5 muta's by then and at least 5 banelings...

Do you "terran is OP"-whiners actually know that every progamer has the possibility to mail the blizzard balance team? When tanks were OP, demuslum mailed to david kim and blizzard patched tanks.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 11:04:30
January 27 2011 11:04 GMT
#850
I don't think LiveForever cares if people think he is good. This is just a job. He knew that Leenock was better. The way Code S works, he literally can keep losing every single time, be smashed, never practice, and still make good money from it. You can fault the system, but if he continues winning Up-and-Down matches, he'll continue to get paid nicely.

There's no reason for him to quit or go, 'Well, I suck, so let's just quit.' It's free money.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
January 27 2011 11:04 GMT
#851
I liked that LiveForever was very humble and quiet in the interview and when taking his Code S trophy-thingie. He probably did the best he could and it paid; maybe he was still a bit shaken by him having been nominated and described as a backup by his teammate.

I won't take back what I said before though; his play in game 1 was horrible and I'm note sure if he's material for the higher leagues of the GSL. But neither is Leenock if he's unable to defend against the same basic strategy twice. Showing such a bad decision making two times against a player he easily dominated in the first game is just a hint that he has a lot of work ahead too.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
January 27 2011 11:04 GMT
#852
On January 27 2011 20:02 GhostFall wrote:
i know we aren't suppose to talk about imbalance, but seriously that series was bullshit. live forever even said he was winging it and managed to get code S. I understand how w'e're suppose to improve ourselves. But seriously. how can you look at that game and not say its imbalanced. Leenock didn't even make that big of a mistake. He just had his baneling nest a little late, a regular timing for terran builds. Liveforever, is master league level at best, probably wouldnt even be in the top 200, yet is considered code s, because he is terran.


While Liveforever is pretty bad (he doesnt play anymore hes studying), dont kid yourself, baneling nest timing for leenock in game 2 and 3 was EXTREMELY late.
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
January 27 2011 11:04 GMT
#853
On January 27 2011 20:01 Tony Campolo wrote:
Artosis' unprofessionalism just makes watching GSL a horrible experience. Commentators need to be unbiased and not act like complete dickfucks.

stop talking sht ]
No carpal tunnel no skill
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
January 27 2011 11:04 GMT
#854
On January 27 2011 20:02 veganwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 20:01 Tony Campolo wrote:
Artosis' unprofessionalism just makes watching GSL a horrible experience. Commentators need to be unbiased and not act like complete dickfucks.

Agreed. Or, I don't find it to be a horrible experience. But they could certainly be a bit less dickfucky


Artosis being unprofessional and mercilessly bashing bad players is the only reason I bought a season ticket and the only thing that has kept me interested in the many lackluster and downright bad matches that occur every season, especially in Code A.
Razyel
Profile Joined May 2010
295 Posts
January 27 2011 11:05 GMT
#855
OMG again with trash talking from Tastosis..... they never learn
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Gudeldar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1200 Posts
January 27 2011 11:05 GMT
#856
On January 27 2011 20:03 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 20:01 Tony Campolo wrote:
Artosis' unprofessionalism just makes watching GSL a horrible experience. Commentators need to be unbiased and not act like complete dickfucks.

No, they've to state the truth rather than lie/evade. Even LiveForever would agree he is terrible.


Seriously, why are people complaining about Artosis and Tasteless saying he is bad when he says pretty much the same thing himself. His attitude seemed to be ok I'll show up and play some SC2, whatever.
Akuemon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada151 Posts
January 27 2011 11:05 GMT
#857
On January 27 2011 20:01 veganwa wrote:
This was LiveForever's plan all along. He lulled Leenock into a false sense of security by pretending he didn't even have the most basic tactical insight in game 1. After game 2 Leenock was so baffled he apparently forgot how to play.


O.O... You may laugh but what if its true? i mean Leenok probably was busy thinking of how to humiliate him when he wins he forgot that banelings needed a nest.


akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
January 27 2011 11:05 GMT
#858
On January 27 2011 20:03 spidii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 20:02 GhostFall wrote:
i know we aren't suppose to talk about imbalance, but seriously that series was bullshit. live forever even said he was winging it and managed to get code S. I understand how w'e're suppose to improve ourselves. But seriously. how can you look at that game and not say its imbalanced. Leenock didn't even make that big of a mistake. He just had his baneling nest a little late, a regular timing for terran builds. Liveforever, is master league level at best, probably wouldnt even be in the top 200, yet is considered code s, because he is terran.



In the end, lots of Barracks + Stim + Combat Shield timing is super strong, you need to know it's coming, you need your banes earlier and that's what it comes down to. Otherwise, you're just not going to stop it.


seriously...

10 lings vs 6 rax? liveforever "tricked" him with a canceled factory. this isn't imbalance, this is just funny.

liveforever didn't have combat shields either
Debonair
Profile Joined October 2010
United States146 Posts
January 27 2011 11:05 GMT
#859
I'd be pissed if Tastosis wasn't being honest. If they were trying to make excuses up for LiveForever after that terrible performance it would just be frustrating.
PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
January 27 2011 11:05 GMT
#860
On January 27 2011 20:04 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2011 20:02 veganwa wrote:
On January 27 2011 20:01 Tony Campolo wrote:
Artosis' unprofessionalism just makes watching GSL a horrible experience. Commentators need to be unbiased and not act like complete dickfucks.

Agreed. Or, I don't find it to be a horrible experience. But they could certainly be a bit less dickfucky


Artosis being unprofessional and mercilessly bashing bad players is the only reason I bought a season ticket and the only thing that has kept me interested in the many lackluster and downright bad matches that occur every season, especially in Code A.


This.
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