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On January 20 2011 02:14 tapk69 wrote:
Also i liked to see MC going to your booth to congratulate you , many players were very critic of him because he didnt shake your hand when you played 2 of the best Starcraft2 games ever , i hope you feel the same way.
My first thought when seeing that was "wow he's trying look good after being bm to Jinro when he lost to him" Haha I think he even gave the camera a stare for a couple of seconds.
Really though I think he was obviously sincere in his support. They are friends and I'm sure he feels bad about being bm, but I can't help but think he was trying to improve his image a little there.
EDIT: Just read a few pages back where Jinro said he didn't bm him. That's just what it looked like to me. Nevermind! Carry on :D
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On January 20 2011 06:38 Warrior Madness wrote:
Poor Idra ): I hope Zergbong channels Jaedong and plays the series of his life and gets past MVP.
More like, Zergbong channels Jaedong and 6pools 2x and loses >.<
Still bitter.
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On January 20 2011 01:46 PukinDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 00:53 RHMVNovus wrote:On January 20 2011 00:48 teamsolid wrote:
For all the people who watched Idra vs Jinro games then went to sleep or something, do yourself a favor and watch the MKP vs Nada games. G1 was such an unbelievably epic game. One of the best SC2 series ever IMO, far surpassing the Idra/Jinro matches. Best series? I still think that goes to Leenock/NaDa or Leenock/Clide (huge platonic man-crush on Leenock), but I think it's easily the best 3-0, and probably the best TvT series I've seen. Foxer is so awesome. Are you forgetting Foxer/Kyrix? The last game on Zel Naga? The Marine splitting that permanently changed the game?
Are you forgetting that MvP showed us the marine split first? Jungle Basin, against Zenio.
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On January 20 2011 07:50 DerekJCEX wrote:
EDIT: Just read a few pages back where Jinro said he didn't bm him. That's just what it looked like to me. Nevermind! Carry on :D
Yeah, I imagine after losing you'd need some time to collect yourself. A lot of pro gamers have commented on meeting after a game, and I understand where they're coming from. Even SlayerS_Boxer, who is well known for always congratulating an opponent who beat him, will just sit in his booth and process his loss every now and then. Good to know the friendship is still strong :D
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On January 20 2011 06:38 Warrior Madness wrote:
Poor Idra ): I hope Zergbong channels Jaedong and plays the series of his life and gets past MVP.
I think it's interesting that that if you watch their interviews, both MVP and NesTea think the other will take them out. It could just be them being polite, but I get the feeling their practice matches get so ridiculously epic that they both are scared shitless of each other :D
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On January 20 2011 07:16 wintergt wrote:
Maybe for once a terran will win GSL? *gasp*
They're still 0 for 3 with 8 making it to the Semi-finals and 3 to the finals. 
But, everyone is kind of expecting MVP to beat NesTea, then we'd for sure get a Terran winner.
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why did idra gg so quick on game 4? i thought idra was about to kill jinros CC.
and idra played great game 1, it seemed so obviouse he was not playing his best the 3 games after. it was disaster.
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i feel idra would done great if every game was long macro game like game 1.
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I woke up at 5am to watch you play Jinro. I'm a huge fan your definitely my favorite player =) It was definitely worth being sleepy the rest of the day through my classes.
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On January 20 2011 08:19 zimz wrote:
i feel idra would done great if every game was long macro game like game 1.
that's why jinro don't want that to happen
Idra is so crazy at macro that you shouldn't play that way against him
Tho Jinro himself is a macro player but played it safe and get an easy win
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On January 20 2011 08:28 DarkRise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 08:19 zimz wrote:
i feel idra would done great if every game was long macro game like game 1. that's why jinro don't want that to happen Idra is so crazy at macro that you shouldn't play that way against him Tho Jinro himself is a macro player but played it safe and get an easy win
And that's why every game can't be a macro game. You have to stay unpredictable at all times, something MKP does very well. SC2 isn't all about 30 min macro games. If you think 2 min rushes aren't legit, then you're only limiting your own skill/knowledge of the game.
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On January 20 2011 08:17 zimz wrote:
why did idra gg so quick on game 4? i thought idra was about to kill jinros CC.
Once Jinro had a marine in a bunker in range of the entire CC, he can kill all of Idra's units and use SCV repair to keep the CC & bunker alive, and go back to producing more marines.
Crazy close game.
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I have the pass and watch the games in English but is there a way for me to watch the Korean commentators/interviews as well?
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Haha yeah the fact that Idra has claimed numerous times that cheese doesn't take skill makes it funny seeing him try to cheese himself and fail. Doesn't seem so simple anymore does it? And this is considering that there truly is no such thing as luck, as the decision whether to cheese or not itself takes "skill" and good judgement to make.
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On January 20 2011 09:21 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Haha yeah the fact that Idra has claimed numerous times that cheese doesn't take skill makes it funny seeing him try to cheese himself and fail. Doesn't seem so simple anymore does it? And this is considering that there truly is no such thing as luck, as the decision whether to cheese or not itself takes "skill" and good judgement to make.
It was rather simple, actually, he had to play on Jungle Basin and felt he had a better chance to win by cheesing. Might have been a different case if his terran opponent didn't know how to macro well.
I wouldn't say the decision to cheese always takes skill and judgment, necessarily. Many times it's more mindgames (people know IdrA never cheeses) than anything, to mix it up. You could make that argument for cheeses that come later after scouting, but the decision to 6 pool, cannon rush, or proxy doesn't take "skill".
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It was rather simple, actually, he had to play on Jungle Basin and felt he had a better chance to win by cheesing. Might have been a different case if his terran opponent didn't know how to macro well.
I wouldn't say the decision to cheese always takes skill and judgment, necessarily. Many times it's more mindgames (people know IdrA never cheeses) than anything, to mix it up. You could make that argument for cheeses that come later after scouting, but the decision to 6 pool, cannon rush, or proxy doesn't take "skill".
Ok the first part of what I said didn't really make sense.
However deciding when to cheese, is. Just like deciding what strategy or gameplan you have for a certain map for a certain round under certain situations. Surely you must agree that some people have better judgement in choosing their gameplan don't you? Like you said he decided to 6 pool to mix it up. Does that not take effort and good analysis of the situation?
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It is very hard to argue that this top 4 doesn't accurately reflect at least 4 of the top 8-10 SC2 players that are playing currently, which implies that Starcraft 2 is settling and the best players are rising to the top in the top tournaments.
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you can basically tell jinro was scared that he was getting cheesed after hearing a roar, sending the two scvs out like he did to build a 2nd barracks and scout is pretty strange, but it didn't really matter because it ended up hurting him since he just cancelled it in the end. he probably didn't wall off because he didn't want to be a cheater, even though he technically didn't know anything.
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On January 20 2011 11:06 Space Invader wrote:
you can basically tell jinro was scared that he was getting cheesed after hearing a roar, sending the two scvs out like he did to build a 2nd barracks and scout is pretty strange, but it didn't really matter because it ended up hurting him since he just cancelled it in the end. he probably didn't wall off because he didn't want to be a cheater, even though he technically didn't know anything.
He showed the same start to a wall-in vs IdrA in the Ro32, the extra SCV for scouting was what was odd and he admitted to the "OOoOOO" as the reason he sent it early. Ended up hurting him anyways as he only saw a drone skating by the SCV.
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