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On January 03 2011 20:40 vrok wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 20:35 Megakenny wrote:On January 03 2011 20:33 vrok wrote:On January 03 2011 20:23 Mercury- wrote:
How was this a cheese or allin? It was normal 2 rax pressure, he even had a CC going up FFs. Yeah 8 lings lose to 10 marines, go figure. That's what happens when you play super greedy on close positions. Hey Mr. Clueless. There is nothing super greedy about 14 hatch. He needs creep and larva to defend 2rax pressure without being put seriously behind the instant MVP lands his expo CC. 14 hatch is pretty greedy with how the meta game is, and in those positions on LT. He should have done something safer. Something safer? You mean something that would put him so far behind without MVP even having to attack that it would make the game basically unwinnable against a terran of MVP's caliber? Of course there's risk involved in 14 hatching. FD knows this. FD also knows there's risk involved no matter what build he chooses. 14 hatch is just as legitimate as any ridiculous 1base build, and FD has plenty of those as well. Just because you're 1basing doesn't mean you're safe. Not even remotely.
21 hatch would have been fine imho
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Poll: oGsZenio vs oGsjookTo Recommended?Yes (90) 87% No (14) 13% 104 total votes Your vote: oGsZenio vs oGsjookTo Recommended? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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Australia8532 Posts
On January 03 2011 20:44 Deadlyhazard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 20:36 Wunder wrote:On January 03 2011 20:35 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Grr I feel clueless, fruitdealer only played one game and it switched to Zenio vs Jookto? Read the format on the first page? Looked like best of 3...
Bo3 for Code A and group format for Code S
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On January 03 2011 20:45 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 20:44 Deadlyhazard wrote:On January 03 2011 20:36 Wunder wrote:On January 03 2011 20:35 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Grr I feel clueless, fruitdealer only played one game and it switched to Zenio vs Jookto? Read the format on the first page? Looked like best of 3... Bo3 for Code A and group format for Code S
Ah okay I'm just not used to reading that kind of thing....haven't followed sports before and SC:BW I just loosely watched replays. Trying to understand this format thing.
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I think that If they haven't announced that Tasteless is no longer the observer people wouldn't even notice but now some posters just complain for the sake of it.
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On January 03 2011 20:43 ikjZILTOID wrote:
ZvZ on this low quality stream is just a mess of colors.
yes
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On January 03 2011 20:33 vrok wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 20:23 Mercury- wrote:
How was this a cheese or allin? It was normal 2 rax pressure, he even had a CC going up FFs. Yeah 8 lings lose to 10 marines, go figure. That's what happens when you play super greedy on close positions. Hey Mr. Clueless. There is nothing super greedy about 14 hatch. He needs creep and larva to defend 2rax pressure without being put seriously behind the instant MVP lands his expo CC. I wasn't talking about hatch first at all, I was talking about him droning way too hard for those positions. 8 lings and 1 spine isn't going to help against that kind of pressure, sorry.
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MVP Zenio game should be gooooood
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51110 Posts
Was the fruit game really bad?
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JookTo really has crazy strategies he is a great player to watch. Too bad he lost.
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On January 03 2011 20:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Was the fruit game really bad?
It was an scvrine rush game 
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On January 03 2011 20:48 HeroHenry wrote:It was an all in game so it kind of was
It was not all-in in the slightest.
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On January 03 2011 20:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Was the fruit game really bad?
Hatch first vs two rax, mvp won with his first push more or less (pulled back while first spine was building, but it was placed so it didn't cover the ramp and he just waltzed up).
Yeah, that bad.
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On January 03 2011 20:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Was the fruit game really bad?
Depends on whether you value game sense, and from who's perspective.
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On January 03 2011 20:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Was the fruit game really bad?
2 rax pressure vs early hatch and a crucial defensive mistake from FD. Underwhelming and over fast.
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On January 03 2011 20:48 HeroHenry wrote:It was an all in game so it kind of was
It wasn't all in. It was standard pressure that FD couldn't handle.
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On January 03 2011 20:45 kirkybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 20:40 vrok wrote:On January 03 2011 20:35 Megakenny wrote:On January 03 2011 20:33 vrok wrote:On January 03 2011 20:23 Mercury- wrote:
How was this a cheese or allin? It was normal 2 rax pressure, he even had a CC going up FFs. Yeah 8 lings lose to 10 marines, go figure. That's what happens when you play super greedy on close positions. Hey Mr. Clueless. There is nothing super greedy about 14 hatch. He needs creep and larva to defend 2rax pressure without being put seriously behind the instant MVP lands his expo CC. 14 hatch is pretty greedy with how the meta game is, and in those positions on LT. He should have done something safer. Something safer? You mean something that would put him so far behind without MVP even having to attack that it would make the game basically unwinnable against a terran of MVP's caliber? Of course there's risk involved in 14 hatching. FD knows this. FD also knows there's risk involved no matter what build he chooses. 14 hatch is just as legitimate as any ridiculous 1base build, and FD has plenty of those as well. Just because you're 1basing doesn't mean you're safe. Not even remotely. 21 hatch would have been fine imho
But its not safer, speed for lings comes too late and you don't have enough larvae to have enough lings to defend if you spot a 2 rax. 14 hatching in itself is not what is risky, droning like crasy is.
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On January 03 2011 20:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Was the fruit game really bad? Yes.
+ Show Spoiler +MVP 2 raxes, FD takes 14 hatch I think and places his spine crawler poorly. MVP punishes him for it and wins.
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It's not Bo1, it is Bo3. You need 2 wins to advance, you need 2 losses to drop out. Exacly the same as last years GSL format, except here the opponent changes after every match (usually).
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On January 03 2011 20:48 MrMotionPicture wrote:
MVP Zenio game should be gooooood
gonna be mvp v jookto
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EPT
