gisado aka KTH on gomtv - Page 27

On December 22 2010 23:32 Ultramus wrote:
And I'm asking if you actually watched the games, explain to me how roaches or hydras will ever force terran away from the same composition MVP did. It won't because it's equally good against it. The mutalisks forced missile turrets, and that had little to no effect on MVP's army strength.

As for those saying match statistics will show something, that isn't true at all. MVP is a step above the rest, and he showed that with proper control marine tank can be nearly invincible, and he showed it vs the best zergs in the world with equally good unit control.

I'm looking at these games specifically for balance because you have to factor in player skill, I'd actually say TvZ is pretty balanced if you completely took away micro. But when you consider the abilities of the top terrans in the world you see that zerg's responses become exponentially worse.

I personally feel that banelings really hold zerg back in this matchup. Before terrans learned such great control of marines we had the invincible mech build which on PAPER was completely imbalanced, but then Zerg learned to magic box and suddenly it was an even exchange with the thors. If people can accept that micro can make a matchup balanced they should just as easily see how it can make one imbalanced.

On December 22 2010 23:41 dtz wrote:


Yes you are right in your last paragraph. People figure out new things all the time.

As I said in the other thread. There has been no significant changes since 1.2 ( MLG DC) and at that time IdrA said "there is NOTHING that a Terran can do against me" now he is the one saying that Zerg are helpless.

I thought that statement was too bold at that time and i think he would agree to it.

I am not saying that there is balance now . I am just saying that with how fast people are figuring things out all the time. There is no way for the game to be balanced all the time. Some undeserving players will end up winning GSL and a lot of money by exploiting these "imbalances of the moment" but in the long run who knows if it was really imbalanced.

On December 23 2010 05:58 KingRajesh wrote:
I'm literally confused.

What do you do against Marine/Tank?

You can't go burrow roach, because roaches evaporate against tanks bonus damage against armored.

You can't go hydra, since Marines already beat them cost for cost.

You can't go Muta, because Mutalisks die in seconds to stimmed marines.

You can't go mass zergling/baneling, since those die to tanks.

You can't go infestor, since to fungal growth you need to be in tank range.

It's nigh on impossible.