EPTHomeStoryCup II 15/16.01 - Page 104
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Tevinhead
United Kingdom470 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
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affenjunge
Germany25 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:47 Renove wrote: Taking the gold versus Broodlords is hard I'd say it's on the verge of impossible. Funny how this game turned out, two absolutely imbalanced and unkillable armies duking it out lol. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
EDIT: Feel bad for Hasu though, he's very mannered. | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
I don't think Take didn't think too much about it, he just heard Brat_Ok gave his win to TLO and went on without thinking of the issues this might cause. So plz don't flame him for making bad decisions, he's probably not aware (yet) as he is busy casting | ||
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affenjunge
Germany25 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:42 Cel.erity wrote: Giving MorroW the win would make less sense. In every stage of the tournament, you want to make sure the brackets are full. Tournaments are sponsored because they are watched. The more games that can be broadcasted, and the more good players remaining, the more people will watch. Secondly, the value of the win from an earlier round is less than the value of a win from a later round. Giving a free win to MorroW is a huge advantage for him compared to giving a free win to TLO from the previous round. Neither player "deserves" this advantage, but it needs to be given to someone, so give it to the person who it will give the least advantage to. Thirdly, nobody would be complaining if BratOK conceded the win before the match had concluded. This happens all the time. Why is it so different when he concedes after the match? In short, the solution being used gives the best chance for us to see the best player win the tournament, which is what everybody SHOULD want. Providing a replacement player is always better than a free win. No one is arguing that this decision isn't good for the viewers, but for the players... In serious sports (that I'm assuming we want the sc2 scene to be) you don't bring back players that have got knocked out in the middle of a tournament. Theoretically a player could then win the whole tournament even if he lose the first series if all other players quits, even the one that beat him. The difference between conceding in the middle of a series and after should be clear. In one case one player have got knocked out and in the other he hasn't. If there wasn't money on the line I could agree with you, but I just can't agree with the decision that's been made here. | ||
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pyrXx
Germany156 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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Gr33d
Germany423 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:49 Leviance wrote: One more thing I want to say to that topic: I don't think Take didn't think too much about it, he just heard Brat_Ok gave his win to TLO and went on without thinking of the issues this might cause. So plz don't flame him for making bad decisions, he's probably not aware (yet) as he is busy casting He even spoke with the admin on stream and the admin said postponing the games is not possible. | ||
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affenjunge
Germany25 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:49 Leviance wrote: One more thing I want to say to that topic: I don't think Take didn't think too much about it, he just heard Brat_Ok gave his win to TLO and went on without thinking of the issues this might cause. So plz don't flame him for making bad decisions, he's probably not aware (yet) as he is busy casting Well, is it too late to slow down and discuss it? Have they already started playing or something? | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:48 vyyye wrote: I'd say it's on the verge of impossible. Funny how this game turned out, two absolutely imbalanced and unkillable armies duking it out lol. But the Zerg has literally two of those  | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:40 Arpe wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 16 2011 03:35 Zocat wrote: So Morrow himself says in the thread about his supposed matchfixing thread with Sjow One way to combat this type of behaviour is letting the "earlier eliminated player" to regain his spot and give him another chance (if a further advanced player forfeits). So the admins decided to prevent a situation where there wouldnt be a final and use this kind of ruleset. They are just following Morrows own advice. He said it's the admins fault for having those faulty rules. The (other) admins change the rules accordingly to prevent this type of thing happening. I want to see as many games as possible as a spectator. So - yes, if Naama is still available. Though it is kinda debatable how "far back" one should go. Imagine a 128+ person tournament. But I personally wouldnt care if the guy who went out in RO128 who had a shot at winning. Would make one of the most epic moments I ever watched. Oh cmon man. Admins should really clean this shit up before it gets out of hand. I dont wanna say anything cause obviously im from Sweden and then it will sound like im just defending MorrwW because of that. Lets just agree its a bad situation, we'll see how it turns out i guess. But keep it down. Yeah, I can agree with that. It's a bad situation either way. But I hope you can see my point. (I see your point also) It's the admin's decision and I would say I'm comfortable with them ruling in one way or the other. My problem is with questioning the admin decision. On January 16 2011 03:42 hifriend wrote: Um? How is that even related or in any way relevant? That was a special case wherein winning a single tourny wouldn't garner any prizes. You had to win a series of tournies in order to get anything out of it. In that instance, morrow and sjow went straight to the admins to see whether leaving w.o. in the finals would be allowed. That behavior wouldn't really benefit anyone in an ordinary online tournament. My point is - he said it's the admins choice / job to prevent things happening they dont want to happen (which they later did in the case mentioned). Now one admin (Take) made such a decision. And it's suddenly "unfair". If you say it's the admins job of preventing something like this happening, then you cannot complain about admins who prevent something like this happening. And I personally dont think it's important if it's happening in RO128 of <random tournament> or in a final where the winner has a chance of winning more in the tournament. It's more about princible. Edit: As someone was mentioning, it took all the "fun" out of Darkforce's game, which I have to admit I didnt watch because of this  So I'll try to read up after todays games are finished (as long as it's not too late^^) My point basically is: let's all just agree that there's no perfect solution and both sides have good arguments. | ||
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ArnaudF
France993 Posts
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Dingotrold
Denmark622 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:50 affenjunge wrote: the dpi is over 9000!!!!!!!! lmao :D | ||
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Alphaes
United States651 Posts
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Finland5948 Posts
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