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ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
November 29 2010 17:08 GMT
#3181
On November 30 2010 02:01 AyJay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 00:58 Liquid`HayprO wrote:
On November 30 2010 00:26 Markwerf wrote:
Ret simply didn't deserve to go through, he played quite bad. He simply didn't adopt to the terran's playstyle at all.

+ Show Spoiler +

Game 1 he took a risky broodlord tech, decent option against mech terran but he was a bit slow with it imo. If terran took the natural and the 3rd and then went viking Ret actually would have lost probably. His first reaction with the roaches was horrible as he took a WAY too long route with the roaches to come from the back getting the other roaches killed already before arriving.

Game 2 he played extremely greedy again. Even losing some stuff to the first poke off 1 base and then simply dying to banshee's. Why didn't he try to change up his game for 1 game or something at least, also his ovie scouting wasn't too good here.

Game 3 he should have held easily with the way jungle basin lets you protect the ramp. All he had for the first attack was basically queens and like 4 lings and it seems like he was completely surprised. Afterwards he kept scouting T had no expo yet he went muta anyway and droned up too much. He was constantly late getting (bane)lings in this matchup which lost him the game.

As for map pool, he can't really complain. Sure steppes is pretty awful (and almost every zerg got it coindedentally, as if they try to balance the results through maps a bit) but meta cross is about the best for Z and jungle basin is quite fine too.




finally someone saying this. i totally agree with u. can we be friends?

Your saying Ret played bad, but at least he doesn't die to marine push due to lack of scouting


lol dude really.....
Yusername
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden252 Posts
November 29 2010 17:11 GMT
#3182
On November 30 2010 01:22 Liquid`Ret wrote:
not worth it

Hey, come on. It was your first GSL. Just because you didn't win it doesn't mean it's not worth trying again. You almost won and are clearly amongst the best.
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
November 29 2010 17:11 GMT
#3183
Shame about Ret getting knocked out an all-in Terran player.
Also, Steppes of War and Jungle Basin should be removed asap. Although Ret didn't lose game 3 to map imbalance, SoW is a freelose for Zerg. Sort out the mappool/vetoing system, GSL.
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
November 29 2010 17:12 GMT
#3184
Man I am loving all the Stargate play this GSL.

And while I agree that part of why Carriers worked was simply because they're so unexpected, i actually think they're reasonably viable on any map that has has an extremely easy to defend natural. 2-base carrier with some air weapons upgrades is devastating, its just so damn slow to tech to it leaves you incredibly vulnerable. But on a map where defending your nat is trivially easy, it can work. I'm not saying that Carriers will take over the metagame or anything, but I don't think this strat is quite as gimmicky as some people seem to be assuming.

I hope Guinea Pig goes for his Stargate PvZ build tomorrow. It'd be nice to see Stargate play really take off.

as for Ret...

sucks that he lost, but he played greedy and made some mistakes. It happens. Unless you're a Toss like Guinea Pig who does some absurdly greedy build like 18 Nexus 37 Stargate, chances are you don't want to just let a Zerg fast expand without punishing him. If you're gonna be greedy, you need to be prepared to defend it, and Ret wasn't. Zerg doesn't have some intrinsic right to just go for a fast hatch every game without consequences. If people are upset about Terran all-ins, then maybe they should get better at defending against them, even if that means playing a safer, less greedy build. July's build, for example, gave very respectable econ without being half as vulnerable as Ret was.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 29 2010 17:16 GMT
#3185
On November 30 2010 02:01 AyJay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 00:58 Liquid`HayprO wrote:
On November 30 2010 00:26 Markwerf wrote:
Ret simply didn't deserve to go through, he played quite bad. He simply didn't adopt to the terran's playstyle at all.

+ Show Spoiler +

Game 1 he took a risky broodlord tech, decent option against mech terran but he was a bit slow with it imo. If terran took the natural and the 3rd and then went viking Ret actually would have lost probably. His first reaction with the roaches was horrible as he took a WAY too long route with the roaches to come from the back getting the other roaches killed already before arriving.

Game 2 he played extremely greedy again. Even losing some stuff to the first poke off 1 base and then simply dying to banshee's. Why didn't he try to change up his game for 1 game or something at least, also his ovie scouting wasn't too good here.

Game 3 he should have held easily with the way jungle basin lets you protect the ramp. All he had for the first attack was basically queens and like 4 lings and it seems like he was completely surprised. Afterwards he kept scouting T had no expo yet he went muta anyway and droned up too much. He was constantly late getting (bane)lings in this matchup which lost him the game.

As for map pool, he can't really complain. Sure steppes is pretty awful (and almost every zerg got it coindedentally, as if they try to balance the results through maps a bit) but meta cross is about the best for Z and jungle basin is quite fine too.




finally someone saying this. i totally agree with u. can we be friends?

Your saying Ret played bad, but at least he doesn't die to marine push due to lack of scouting

Oh my god...
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
InteGrated
Profile Joined November 2010
United States259 Posts
November 29 2010 17:18 GMT
#3186
ret comeon, you have a future still. stay in korea with at least A-class.
Robstickle
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain406 Posts
November 29 2010 17:18 GMT
#3187
On November 30 2010 02:11 Yusername wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 01:22 Liquid`Ret wrote:
not worth it

Hey, come on. It was your first GSL. Just because you didn't win it doesn't mean it's not worth trying again. You almost won and are clearly amongst the best.


He means he can't be fucked arguing.
koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 17:27:00
November 29 2010 17:20 GMT
#3188
Ro32 should be good enough for A-code. There are 64 A-code players and 32 S-code players, right? 32*3 = 96. So even if you had a totally distinct Ro32 every GSL, all Ro32 players would get either S or A codes.

Snipe S-code from some scrub next season, Ret!

SoW is a freelose for Zerg
From the GSL statistics from seasons 2 and 3 (so far), Steppes of War is 55% Terran favored TvZ. It's not impossible. Jungle Basin is worse for Zerg.
teacash
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada494 Posts
November 29 2010 17:22 GMT
#3189
On November 30 2010 02:20 koppik wrote:
Ro32 should be good enough for A-code. There are 64 A-code players and 32 S-code players, right? 32*3 = 96. So even if you had a totally distinct Ro32 every GSL, all Ro32 players would get either S or A codes.

Artosis seemed to suggest that Ret won't get A-class..
I'm not sure how certain he is of this.. but without further info, I'd trust Artosis on this.
cocosoft
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1068 Posts
November 29 2010 17:25 GMT
#3190
I feel so bad for ret. =/
He totally had it!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
November 29 2010 17:28 GMT
#3191
On November 30 2010 02:22 teacash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 02:20 koppik wrote:
Ro32 should be good enough for A-code. There are 64 A-code players and 32 S-code players, right? 32*3 = 96. So even if you had a totally distinct Ro32 every GSL, all Ro32 players would get either S or A codes.

Artosis seemed to suggest that Ret won't get A-class..
I'm not sure how certain he is of this.. but without further info, I'd trust Artosis on this.

He's assuming that getting ro32 gets u to A class atleast. He's forgetting to count in the people that managed to get into ro64 twice or all 3 gsl's but did not make it further. So all in all Artosis might be right but I don't have the spreadsheet of the numbers for this to back this up.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
November 29 2010 17:31 GMT
#3192
@ Ret


very good showing in the tournament. You did very well and I hope to see you competing in many more tournaments.
Yusername
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden252 Posts
November 29 2010 17:33 GMT
#3193
On November 30 2010 02:18 Robstickle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 02:11 Yusername wrote:
On November 30 2010 01:22 Liquid`Ret wrote:
not worth it

Hey, come on. It was your first GSL. Just because you didn't win it doesn't mean it's not worth trying again. You almost won and are clearly amongst the best.


He means he can't be fucked arguing.

Oh, I see. Got a little worried there. Silly me.
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
November 29 2010 17:34 GMT
#3194
Keep it up Ret! Hup holland hup!
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
November 29 2010 17:38 GMT
#3195
Haypro and Ret Fighting!
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
Yusername
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden252 Posts
November 29 2010 17:40 GMT
#3196
On November 30 2010 02:38 [ur]Chin wrote:
Haypro and Ret Fighting!

Lol'd a little.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 29 2010 17:40 GMT
#3197
Sorry Ret. Not sure what to say about the games, just that I'll still be supporting you next time.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
November 29 2010 17:42 GMT
#3198
which game had carriers in it?
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
November 29 2010 17:45 GMT
#3199
i think idra early game defence is better than rets
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11112 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 17:48:28
November 29 2010 17:47 GMT
#3200
Tch. Annoying Ret had to get a 2:0. Knowing our luck with foreigners Best is going to get rolled next round. -.-

It'll be sad if this means we're not gonig to see more Liquid Ret.

Atleast the Hongun match made up for the night. The great thing about protoss games right now is that they are such miracles that almost every game is epic.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
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