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Hi guys SCL|Moo here and I have been thinking about making a new league, but it is complete different from standard leagues so I want to see what you guys say, and if you would play in it.
The match playing wouldnt be much different, not to much you can do there, just go play. But how its run is where everything changes.
Basically I want to run it almost completely like other proffesional sports leagues are run (nba/nfl/mlb/nhl). For the first season, I would need to find 8-12 DEDICATED managers, these people wouldnt currently need a team. Just dedication. Once we get the managers/owners we would ask for any player that wants to play to put there name "in the pool" and include basic player profile stuff race/current points/times you can play/and a replay or two of your best stuff. Once all the players are in, The managers have a draft, we would spin a wheel or something for the draft order and pick your team, hopefully you would have done some research watching replays and you no who is good. After the draft NO NEW PLAYERS ARE ALLOWED, thinking about considering "trading" if your players just cant get along or something like that.
After all this the season goes along as normal, nothing special regular season plays out, then playoffs crown a champion *woot* and heres why we didnt allow new players, we have a "rookie" draft the teams stay the same , except for the addition of rookies. Rinse and repeat.
Havent worked out specifics but I just want to hear what you guys think, if you like the idea, if you as a player would sign up or as a manager.I no alot of the teams are good friends and its a good time to be together so IDK PLEASE RESPOND tell me what you think
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Not allowing new players into your league is a great way for it to stagnate. And you'll also never know if they're the best, when you aren't letting challengers in to defeat them.
I think every tournament should have Open slots, and Seeded slots.
If what I just said has nothing to do with your post, I'm sorry for misreading it.
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Lol well it will have new players, they will just have to wait to the end of the season. Which depending on how many managers/players were interested. would probably be 8 weeks, or 12 weeks.
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Australia8532 Posts
sounds freaking awesome.. but logistically hard to put together - u would need some ridonculously dedicated people... and the right sponsorship?
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Yes, Dedication and money are the key here. If we can offer some crazy large prize pool. Big name players will want in. But I doubt we can achive this for season 1, so i would need to find random dedicated people 
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This is E--Sports and SCII not basketball. That system is horrible and completely not only stagnates the player pool but also prevents new hot players from playing. Plus why would players that are already on a team with managers get on a new team? With the influx of the new 40,000 SCII teams out there this would prevent pretty much every medium to high Diamond player on earth from wanting to join because they already have a team.
On November 24 2010 16:43 MooMOo wrote:Yes, Dedication and money are the key here. If we can offer some crazy large prize pool. Big name players will want in. But I doubt we can achive this for season 1, so i would need to find random dedicated people
Good luck breaking up every Pro Team out there for this. Players would not join it as most contractually could not with this silly system. Your league would be filled with players who are neither marketable nor top of the top players.
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I like the idea, but I think it would be incredibly difficult to organise for several reasons:
1) you would need to find a lot of super-reliable people who are willing to make a big commitment
2) a lot of these awesome ideas fail because players lose interest or drop out, and the managers end up having problems filling their rosters, which leads to defaults and eventual stagnation
3) no chat channels =/
I'm not saying it's not possible, but there are a lot of potential pitfalls that you would need to avoid and find solutions to.
Edit: actually, the more I think about it the more I think that this kind of thing would be better organised as some kind of clan league. Once chat channels and clans are enabled on Bnet we probably will reach the situation where most mid-high Diamond players are in a clan of some kind. I think it would be much easier to just let clans form naturally and sign themselves up rather than have random individuals act as managers for players they don't even know.
Also, I think the demographic you should be aiming at is high diamond amateurs rather than pros. As an example, Nirvana organised a SEA Nation Wars league a few months ago which was pretty successful, it was basically "every SEA country put together your own team and come play" with weekly matches spanned over a few months. Something like this but for Diamond level clans would be good imo.
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On November 24 2010 16:44 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
With the influx of the new 40,000 SCII teams out there this would prevent pretty much every medium to high Diamond player on earth from wanting to join because they already have a team..
Every mid-high diamond player already has a team? :|
I'd say something like 4%.
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On November 24 2010 16:48 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 16:44 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
With the influx of the new 40,000 SCII teams out there this would prevent pretty much every medium to high Diamond player on earth from wanting to join because they already have a team.. Every mid-high diamond player already has a team? :| I'd say something like 4%.
Let me rephrase that.
iCCup.Diamond meant to write:
Every player that could possibly even matter and make a league like this succeed is signed to one of the 40,000 new SCII teams out there and would not be able nor want to play in this regardless of the $
Not quite as piffy, but technically more correct
Edit: To further my point: I pulled up my SCII after typing this to check for messages and one of the recent broadcast was "I'm forming a new team". Make that 40,001 teams, anyone who's pretty much worth having is signed.
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I wouldnt ask the players to leave there team, so unless there contracts say you cant play for anything but us, I dont think it would matter (though i am not at all familar with "sc2 contracts") They would just be on -w.e team- for this league.
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On November 24 2010 16:54 MooMOo wrote:
I wouldnt ask the players to leave there team, so unless there contracts say you cant play for anything but us, I dont think it would matter (though i am not at all familar with "sc2 contracts") They would just be on -w.e team- for this league.
That defeats the whole purpose of being on their team. Now they are on two teams. The players don't want to represent their team AND another fictional team that gives them no benefits outside of a possible prize pool that only applies to one tournament.
The idea is heavily flawed, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but there is not a chance in hell this would both work and be a very competitive league.
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Lol diamond I think we are going to have to agree to disagree, it would definatley be hard, espicially to get started up, and it might not work. But not a chance in hell? There might be something i have yet to think of that makes this impossible but i dont think you have said anything that makes me think that yet. So if you have nothing new to add to this thread I would appreciate you to stop bashing the IDEA as i just said im just putting the idea out there and seeing what the feedback is.
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On November 24 2010 16:51 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 16:48 _Darwin_ wrote:On November 24 2010 16:44 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
With the influx of the new 40,000 SCII teams out there this would prevent pretty much every medium to high Diamond player on earth from wanting to join because they already have a team.. Every mid-high diamond player already has a team? :| I'd say something like 4%. Edit: To further my point: I pulled up my SCII after typing this to check for messages and one of the recent broadcast was "I'm forming a new team". Make that 40,001 teams, anyone who's pretty much worth having is signed.
ICCup.Diamond wrote:
That system is horrible and prevents new hot players from playing.
I don't mean to harp... but come on :|
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On November 24 2010 16:58 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 16:54 MooMOo wrote:
I wouldnt ask the players to leave there team, so unless there contracts say you cant play for anything but us, I dont think it would matter (though i am not at all familar with "sc2 contracts") They would just be on -w.e team- for this league. That defeats the whole purpose of being on their team. Now they are on two teams. The players don't want to represent their team AND another fictional team that gives them no benefits outside of a possible prize pool that only applies to one tournament. The idea is heavily flawed, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but there is not a chance in hell this would both work and be a very competitive league.
Why is having two teams a problem? It was already done in a sense with nation wars in BW. Players could play on the national team, in addition to whatever team/clan they were already with.
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On November 24 2010 17:03 MooMOo wrote:
Lol diamond I think we are going to have to agree to disagree, it would definatley be hard, espicially to get started up, and it might not work. But not a chance in hell? There might be something i have yet to think of that makes this impossible but i dont think you have said anything that makes me think that yet. So if you have nothing new to add to this thread I would appreciate you to stop bashing the IDEA as i just said im just putting the idea out there and seeing what the feedback is.
You do know I sort of have some experience in this industry correct? Trust me, there's no chance in hell.
The teams are not going to let you have their players to be managed by someone else and sport a totally different team name on a whim that a league like this MIGHT work. You mention you need big $, how do you plan on getting big $ with not having any of the top players? Without the top players how do you expect to get the big viewers you need for the $? It's a horribly vicious circle.
I'm not just some random guy tourneycrafting, I have experience in shit like this and I know there is a MASSIVE flaw with your plan and it is based off the very premise of the whole league so that presents an unfixable problem.
On November 24 2010 17:04 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 16:51 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On November 24 2010 16:48 _Darwin_ wrote:On November 24 2010 16:44 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
With the influx of the new 40,000 SCII teams out there this would prevent pretty much every medium to high Diamond player on earth from wanting to join because they already have a team.. Every mid-high diamond player already has a team? :| I'd say something like 4%. Edit: To further my point: I pulled up my SCII after typing this to check for messages and one of the recent broadcast was "I'm forming a new team". Make that 40,001 teams, anyone who's pretty much worth having is signed. Show nested quote + ICCup.Diamond wrote:
That system is horrible and prevents new hot players from playing.
I don't mean to harp... but come on :|
There is always a player that comes out of no where. But they are almost 100% of the time picked up within a week by a team.
On November 24 2010 17:06 NrG.ZaM wrote:
Why is having two teams a problem? It was already done in a sense with nation wars in BW. Players could play on the national team, in addition to whatever team/clan they were already with.
Nation Wars is 100% different. That's an awful comparison.
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I do understand you have experince in this industry. I understand your points, you stated them. Your one opinion, and the ONLY opinion that has been negative so far. As an experinced member of this industry I would hope you understand its bad manners and pretty tacky to continually derail a thread with basically the same post, yeh?
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On November 24 2010 17:14 MooMOo wrote:
I do understand you have experince in this industry. I understand your points, you stated them. Your one opinion, and the ONLY opinion that has been negative so far. As an experinced member of this industry I would hope you understand its bad manners and pretty tacky to continually derail a thread with basically the same post, yeh?
You asked for feedback, I'm giving you feedback. Pro Players might be inclined to post in a strategy thread as they have a lot of experience on the subject and have their opinion. I happen to be a TO and general league and stream organizer so I happen to pick this because it's a subject that interests me.
After that I reply, you reply to my reply, and I reply to that reply, it's sort of the idea behind message boards. If you only want people to come in here and tell you "GO FOR YOUR DREAMS!!!" and pat you on the back while handing you a cookie, then I'm sorry, I didn't see that in the post.
If you want to make the league, go for it, but it will fail for the exact reasons I listed above. I'm just telling you what I know from my time in the scene.
Edit: Answer this question (hint: it's a trick question)
Why would a player decide to join your league over a league like SGL?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
This is a terrible idea for all the reasons diamond outlined.
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Lol Diamond, you realize I am the head admin of SCL? And to answer your question (last time im responding to you) For fun? Different scene get to play/talk with different people maybe compete agianst teamates for your actual team? That might be a lamesauce answer but then answer me this... Why do people play in leagues like SGL/SCL?
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Katowice25012 Posts
This is a neat idea but I think you are being a little too ambitious if you're not already very experienced with running tournaments and dealing with players/managers. Even running a simple tournament requires a lot of people and a lot of leg work, and until you are familiar with what that work entails and how to manage a team of people to get it done trying for something that aims much, much higher is not totally reasonable.
My advice is to keep this in the back of your mind, then learn how much you are able and willing to handle before trying to look at it more seriously. This is at least 10 times more organizational work than you realize right now.
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