EPT[GSL] S3 Ro64 Day 2 - Page 111
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:06 Liquid`Ret wrote: Haypro was doing insanely well in practice... I think nerves combined with the almost impossible to scout builds used by this terran got the best of him....its extremely easy to die to these kind of timing builds, that's starcraft 2 for you, it all happens a lot faster than it did in sc1 and you need almost psyhic abilities to consistently win in this game..,,and that's why you see so many upsets. I appreciate your insight but what I'd really like to know is Avilo's opinion on the matter. | ||
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shutdown_exploded
United States133 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:35 Stoned wrote: if we could go into imaginary land and you were playing on scrap station and had banelings waht do you think the auto turret would have done in that situation? would enough banelings still crush through everything? I can't believe this is even worth discussing. hey guys let's spend 100 minerals and 200 gas on a raven that has enough energy for one autoturret that has as much baneling stopping power as a marauder... if you place it well. if the raven has ever helped this guy win, it's because it cleared the creep. | ||
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:28 mizU wrote: what should he have done instead? 1 based? 6 pooled? Hint: There's a medium between 6 pooling and 14 hatching. | ||
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:36 Warrior Madness wrote: I appreciate your insight but what I'd really like to know is Avilo's opinion on the matter. lmao | ||
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
everything is up to date now http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171013 | ||
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Stoned
United States69 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:38 shutdown_exploded wrote: I can't believe this is even worth discussing. hey guys let's spend 100 minerals and 200 gas on a raven that has enough energy for one autoturret that has as much baneling stopping power as a marauder... if you place it well. if the raven has ever helped this guy win, it's because it cleared the creep. lol ok thanks for answering my question i would think the 200 gas be very important and for as long as he has had it it can only put down 1 turret and i have never even seen auto turrets used but you must have seen them everywhere i didnt look up the health or damage of the turret but it obviously is useless in the interview he said he would use against banelings he should listen to you and not even go near the auto turret | ||
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ilmman
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:36 Corrik wrote: It's quite obvious in game 2 that scouting was not the issue. The player clearly wanted Haypro to see what he was doing in every case. He moved the factory out to the front right where he knew the overseer was positioned to show off his hellion. This forced Haypro to go Roach Warren and Roaches. By making one hellion, the opponent made Haypro tech into something he wanted and made him also, to an extent, build more in response to the hellion than he should have (this is why he put the factory on the tech lab, giving impression of blue hellion drop). Then he put the starport in exactly the same position to show banshee. As Artosis and Tasteless commented "I can't believe he didn't go a second banshee", this is exactly what Haypro probably was thinking also. With the starport on the techlab and the first banshee out, this forced Haypro to overreact and build a overseer, an extra queen, a Spire, and I believe a few spore crawlers also. While it may seem like this provided no advantage, the Terran was slowly getting small advantages each time he forced a tech change and an overreaction. This was all in preparation for a timing attack / I guess All-In which the Terran seemed to have planned from the start. Thus, Haypro's loss wasn't scouting because he saw everything coming... the opponent made sure that he did. seeems prettty genuis. Love to see more of this in the future | ||
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:29 Liquid`Ret wrote: I have played against 2 rax a TON.. It's usually a lot more allin, with 3-5 scvs at the start.but after that the usual follow-up seems to be a CC after the initial pressure fades off. This 4 rax thing is an obvious timing attack that aims at zergs who feel comfortable after the 2 rax seems to have 'not worked'. Terran never even planned on doing initial damage, that's why he only sent 1 scv with his marines. He added the quick 2 rax to come with a very large force marines at a timing hayder is not used to. Anyway, of course haypro shouldve had a baneling nest and a ling infront of terrans base, and he should have won these games. I just wanted to explain what I think happend in those games...and I just want to say again that I think Haypro is an amazing player, and he will definately produce good results in the future, he has the potential. Thanks for your contributions and thoughts on the games Ret. It's really cool to hear an opinion about the games from someone who is playing at GSL level. Also, GL in your games! I'm rooting for you! Ret fighting!!! | ||
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Spectorials
558 Posts
North Korea just started shelling South Korea with artillery. This is not a joke. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:43 Spectorials wrote: In semi-related news. North Korea just started shelling South Korea with artillery. This is not a joke. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AM0YS20101123 | ||
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kwkwookw
218 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:42 ReachTheSky wrote: seeems prettty genuis. Love to see more of this in the future tbh anyone listening to the commentary and watching the game would have understood this but it's good someone's clarifying this for people who missed these obvious points... | ||
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Macabre
United States1262 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:43 Spectorials wrote: In semi-related news. North Korea just started shelling South Korea with artillery. This is not a joke. I was just going to post in this thread. I wouldn't doubt if the upcoming matches are postponed? Confirmed causality.. this is serious. | ||
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sqrt
1210 Posts
What the...is that site something like The Onion? NK isn't stupid enough to attack a country protected by the U.S (not to mention that Europe wouldn't respond kindly as well). knowing that China will not support them. | ||
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VikingKong
China509 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:48 sqrt wrote: What the...is that site something like The Onion? NK isn't stupid enough to attack a country protected by the U.S (not to mention that Europe wouldn't respond kindly as well). knowing that China will not support them. ...You don't know what Reuters is? Also, as important as this is, probably not the place to talk about it. | ||
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Macabre
United States1262 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:48 sqrt wrote: What the...is that site something like The Onion? NK isn't stupid enough to attack a country protected by the U.S (not to mention that Europe wouldn't respond kindly as well). knowing that China will not support them. how about the front page of cnn.com their is a thread in the general forums. take the discussion over there. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171194¤tpage=13 | ||
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shutdown_exploded
United States133 Posts
On November 23 2010 16:48 sqrt wrote: What the...is that site something like The Onion? NK isn't stupid enough to attack a country protected by the U.S (not to mention that Europe wouldn't respond kindly as well). knowing that China will not support them. the US and EU aren't committing troops to this, even in a huge attack. We sell south korea guns and jets and bombs and everyone is happy. North koreas army however, is immense. | ||
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Spectorials
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