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This isn't about CEVO vs ESEA, and considering ESEA has done nothing for SC I don't think that discussion even belongs on Teamliquid. What ESEA does with SC2 isn't really that much of a concern anyway there are plenty of events out there to 'compete' with. We will run the best event we can under blizzards conditions. If we mess up with something tell us and we will do everything we can to improve upon it. This is our first SC2 season but we've already learned a lot from the 3 tournaments we have run with SC2 and we will learn a lot more from this season.
As far as the prizes go Nelson already said its hard to compare our prizes from one game to the next since for Counter-strike we can charge entry fees for each player (and then put all those entry fees back into the prize pool) our SC prizes just don't compare right now. However as we run more SC events and blizzard, hopefully, loosens their strict licensing agreements for tournaments we will increase the prize pools over time. If you want to have the fun of building a team and competing in a season to see how you do, don't worry about the prizes just enjoy the event for what it is.
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Why are entry fees needed for prizes? ESL , ZOTAC, etc don't charge entry fees and yet they offer prizes.
For an organization that lists about 20 sponsors, I'm kinda confused as to why there aren't any funds to provide real prizes. It just seems kinda weird that the best an organization as big as CEVO can provide is some mousepads. What do your sponsors provide, if not funding and products for events? And based on your claim that your cash prizes come almost exclusively from entry fee - I dunno, things don't seem to add up.
Either you have some really one-sided relationship with sponsors, or there are things unaccounted for.
Either way, it's nice to see CEVO get into SC2... but I dunno, seems like a lot of effort for teams to fight for a couple of headsets/mousepads oo!
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cant you just make a sub site for sc2 on cevo then charge an annual subscription to it and crank that into the prizepots over seasons ? ;o
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Even membership fees go under the "charging for a sc2 event" description. We would be unable to charge membership fees. Realistically there is noway we will be able to have a paid event until Blizzard gives us the go ahead.
Xeris, Nobody is forcing you to compete. If you don't feel that playing in a structured event is worth your time, don't do it. Keep playing the Blizzard ladders. You may not be happy with "crummy" headsets and mouse pads, but they are still free..
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This sounds exciting, I can't wait.
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Where can we find the Official Rules,
Playing times and maps and other info regarding contacting each other,
Site looks very busy and cluttered, its kind of hard to navigate.
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On November 01 2010 03:12 dahornnn wrote:
cant you just make a sub site for sc2 on cevo then charge an annual subscription to it and crank that into the prizepots over seasons ? ;o
That's actually a really good idea, hopefully someone will look into it.
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SC2 Season 1 - Main and Professional Division Applications
Registration has already opened for this event and it is now time to open up applications for the Main and Professional Divisions. The Main division will consist of 60 teams with moveups based upon past tournament and league experience. The Professional Division will be comprised of the top 16 teams in North America based on the same criteria as the Main division. All teams are welcome to apply for either division through our application process.
Main Applications:
Teams that have not qualified yet, and are interested in competing in the Main Division can apply via email.
To apply, teams must be signed up in the Open division with at least 4 "@ready" members on their roster.
Please send the following to Applications@cevo.com to apply.
Please Title your email in this format: SC2 Season 1 - Main Application - Team (TeamName)
1. Team Name
2. Link to CEVO team page. (Can be found on the standings)
3. Team Experience / Accomplishments (CEVO, other leagues/tournaments, other games, etc..)
4. Why you feel that your team deserves to be invited into the division.
Professional Division Applications:
Teams that have not qualified yet, and are interested in competing in the Professional Division can apply via email. CEVO staff will be inviting the top eight (8) teams to the division, and the other eight (8) spots will be filled with application teams.
To apply, teams must be signed up in the Open division with at least 4 "@ready" members on their roster.
Please send the following to Applications@cevo.com to apply.
Please Title your email in this format: SC2 Season 1 - Professional Application - Team (TeamName)
1. Team Name
2. Link to CEVO team page. (Can be found on the standings)
3. Team Experience / Accomplishments (CEVO, other leagues/tournaments, other games, etc..)
4. Why you feel that your team deserves to be invited into the division.
5. Who are your core four (4) players and what are their individual accomplishments.
NOTE: ALL application move-ups will occur on Monday, November 29th, 2010. If you have any questions regarding the application process, feel free to contact CEVO Support at http://support.cevo.com.
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so when will this event start?
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I think cevo deserves a lot of credit and should get support. I also think its important to not compare this to ESEA.
ESEA has a lot of nice features and it would be great to have a league there too but also consider you have to pay for a subscription on top of tourney fees.
Also, Ive come to be a little jaded about esea. I currently participate in the TF2 league and for the last 2 or 3 seasons, they've been giving increased demands about the number of teams that must pay and compete in order for TF2 to be a game they support. I think it was like 45 teams, then 50, and 60 this season.
On top of that after the requirements were met, the player base asked for improved client and servers (the client is pretty much useless in detecting any cheats for TF2, every person that has been banned (3) has been caught by spectators or banned for account sharing...and the servers are absolutely bottom tier) they basically told the community that CS was the focus and they wouldnt devote resources to TF2 since its player base wasn't as big.
That was really nice to hear right after you threatened to shut down service for the game unless a minimum of 420 people (6 starters 1 backup) signed up for monthly fees and the tournament. now 2 months into the season, there is predictably nothing improved. The only time they update the software is after updates (server updates only, not improved client) and the clients average about 25% worse ping and packet loss then medium quality servers in the same area.
The worst thing was they're total disregard of players complaints. These were paying customers and they were basically told your not important, CS is.
check out this customer service:
Kane's attitude is horrible, this is how he regards his paying customers and the tf2 community in general. http://img146.imageshack.us/f/wrongo.jpg/ I'd reference the thread by enigma on esea, but it appears to have been deleted. Point 2: There are articles that you've written on that site that I have trouble finding without using a direct link. And no one uses it. Point 3: Your quote of $11 is misleading, you totally discount the cost of premium. Premium is $6.95 a month, but the season goes for about three months so it's about $20.85 ($19.95 if you get the three month premium). And if you're deep into playoffs you'll probably have to pay for another month. I wasn't able to find a page that has the league fee price, so I'll take your word that it is $11. So your cost of $11 is actually $11 + $19.95 = $30.95 (+ $6.95 if you're deep into playoffs =$37.90) Now is $30 really that much? No, but don't tell us that it's $11, when in reality it's not. Now you might say that, we get pugs and scrims for the cost of that $20, but no on uses that. Maybe during the season new teams will use those services when they are forced to pay for the cost of premium, who knows. Meh, if you want to call us pussies because we don't like being strong-armed and disregarded by lpkane, then go ahead. I'll vote with my money. -breather (an invite player who had played in every season of ESEA)
or this:
All I want is Torbull or ANYONE else from esea to ask us in a courteous manner and listen to our complaints instead of insulting us and still expecting us to pay them money. i paid for 3 seasons of esea, sometimes for multiple players on my team, without saying a word. then when i saw how lpkane reacted to enigma's reasonable request(give us what we pay for), i started trying to justify paying HIM the money. no, i don't give a damn how much the league fee is. if it was $1 i would still have a problem giving it to that guy. and after that thread he tried to talk down to us telling us it's our fault and that we're being unreasonable and rude, and then almost immediately afterwards things magically started improving. i got the message that whining was the way to get things done, and he basically told us it was: http://img146.imageshack.us/i/wrongo.jpg/
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On November 03 2010 10:46 iG.Stealth wrote:
so when will this event start?
The plan is to start early december with a break for the holidays/new years.
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On October 31 2010 08:10 CEVO Nelson wrote:Yes, you will be required to use CMN3.
So you're still using that pile of garbage client that requires a packaged distribution of java for obfuscation?
Some things never change, it seems.
When your match client uses more resources than some games do, something is wrong.
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I can't even remember my username and tracked my email account and found emails from cevo but none with my username on it. Ehhh....guess I'll use a some other email
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Why is an adress required to register? I get the phone number, though I'm still hesitant... But what do they use the adress for?
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On November 04 2010 08:31 Tin_Foil wrote:
Why is an adress required to register? I get the phone number, though I'm still hesitant... But what do they use the adress for?
The ONLY person that has the ability to see your address is the owner of CEVO. It is there for prize distribution. When you win something, we have your address to mail it to you. Even myself, as a head of game, can only see your zip code. Your information is protected and encrypted.
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On November 04 2010 07:43 .kv wrote:
I can't even remember my username and tracked my email account and found emails from cevo but none with my username on it. Ehhh....guess I'll use a some other email
texas.cevo.nationvoice.com 4000
Come into ventrilo and we will assist you in retrieving your account.
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I can vouch for CEVO cause I used to play on their site for Rainbow Six Vegas and Call of Duty....they are completely legit and interact with the players a lot...great site
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On November 04 2010 10:10 .kv wrote:
I can vouch for CEVO cause I used to play on their site for Rainbow Six Vegas and Call of Duty....they are completely legit and interact with the players a lot...great site
Legit, right.
2. Permissions Granted by User
User acknowledges that the purpose of the Software is to provide CEVO with any or all information about User’s computer and/or computing environment as deemed necessary by CEVO. By installing CMN3, User therefore grants CEVO permission to collect any or all information pertaining to and residing on User’s computer and/or computing environment without limitation except as otherwise set forth herein. User acknowledges that CMN3 may collect information from User whenever the Software is running and that, depending on the activity of User while utilizing the Software, personally identifiable information, or information that may be otherwise classified as sensitive to User, may be inadvertently collected (User is advised to limit activities while running Software to match play only). User further acknowledges that CEVO does not disclose the type, quantity, frequency or any other information regarding information collection at any time under any circumstance, and that CEVO may alter Software to collect more or less information at any time without notice. Without limiting the foregoing, the Software is not designed to determine legitimacy of software or files on User’s computer.
This is because they can't hire a developer who's half competent at trying to implement an anti-cheat so they scrape the running process list (including loaded modules), certain information from the registry, and profiling information about your CPU. None of this is needed and I did inform them of this (and bypassed it, along with anyone else with a brain) years ago. I find it hilarious that it basically says "yeah, we're watching what you do, so you probably shouldn't be doing something you think is embarassing." You might as well just set up a webcam and give them a live feed -- privacy doesn't matter, think of the nerdrage the potential of cheating could bring.
You installed the software? Open your system32 or syswow64 folder, there should be 'cpuz.exe', 'pv_c3.exe', and 'reg_c3.exe'. These are installed by a covert install.bat file in the CMN root installation directory that is erased post-install (subversive activity is rarely something you want from software installed from a "legit" company).
pv displays information about the running processes. pv v 5.2.2.1, Copyright (c) Igor Nys, 2000-2006. Usage: pv -[<OPTION>]... <ARGUMENT>... -[<OPTION>]
Command-line registry manipulation utility version 1.10. Copyright Microsoft Corporation 1997. All rights reserved. REG operation <Parameter List>
Funnily enough cpu-z has its own EULA with an indemnification clause. IANAL but I don't think they want you using their software without agreeing to that.
And as I mentioned before, for obfuscation they use this thing called Excelsior Jet which is a standalone distribution of the JRE essentially just for their application. And yes, it's all been this bad for years. I wouldn't take them seriously if they can't even pay a college kid $500 to make a decent product.
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Jmerlin,
your opinion is duly noted.
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On November 05 2010 01:56 CEVO Nelson wrote:
Jmerlin,
your opinion is duly noted.
Haha, I like the subtle sting there.
I don't know why everyones being so negative, this sounds awesome, will be trying to get a good team for open.
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