EPTAll I have to say is, NERF TERRAN
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
All I have to say is, NERF TERRAN User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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eloist
United States1017 Posts
On October 09 2010 07:18 Cranberries wrote: Seriously, this game was ruined because you can't engage Planetary Fortresses. There were 5 Colossi against a Planetary Fortress and 10-12 Barracks units, and it couldn't be broken. It's just ridiculous and it really does just ruin a flow of a game. "Ruined" maybe if your idea of a good game is "200/200 meet middle" Colossi got cliff walk, go up into the main maybe? | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On October 09 2010 07:20 forklift wrote: Kiwi is not even close to top 5. Are you kidding me? There were at least 5 protosses in GSL that were better, and that's not including people like huk and whitera. What I watched today was really disappointing. He can't expand, he can't split up his army at all, and he's completely inflexible. Just get chargelots and tech to storm, and then you can rape all the MMM and the tanks. Problem solved. But he refuses, sticks with phoenixes to defend his colossi and gets run over because he cant figure out how to split his army into, gasp, two control groups. Also makes only one observer so he can't even spot drops. GG. So far your like the biggest anti Kiwikaki person I have seen so far lol you just hate his guts don't you? Well played by fenix watching his games today just jaw dropping at his multi tasking abilities, triple drop + attack/defend just insane. | ||
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
On October 09 2010 07:19 Jibba wrote: Then don't attack the Planetary Fortress. Nevermind that Fenix was 3/1 and Kiwi was 0/0/0. What? I'm talking about when Fenix was 1/1 and Kiwi was 0/0. Besides, Infantry upgrades don't improve the upgrades on a Planetary Fortress. It's just sick how good they are. You'd need around 10~ Cannons to have the same lifespan of a Planetary Fortress, which would cost 1500 minerals compared to the 150/150 of the Planetary Fortress. They're just a boring thing and totally destroy any game flow. Back and forth games are fun, that game was going to be back and forth - and then the Planetary Fortress went up and that was game over. If you can't attack an expansion, that's ridiculous. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On October 09 2010 07:17 flodeskum wrote: regardless of any balance discussion, planetary fortresses make for really boring play. true also without QQing about balance, once the terran has established a gold-PF with tanks surrounding it (and maybe some turrets thrown in too) protoss basicly is forced to commit to an all-in, which makes games boring; rewatching the game kiwikaki will realize that there were multiple times where he just've gone straight to the main of fenix and kill him; in the future we will se many games ending at this point with protoss committing to an attack much earlier btw to all you "split the army-up"-ppl: you obviously have never played with colossi ever - if you split up colossi they can easily be taken out by the group of vikings; you have to keep all of your colossi close together to be able to cover them with stalkers or phoenixes; wtf is wrong with you, do you really think kiwikaki isn't able to handle multiple control-groups? seriously? | ||
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RxN
United States255 Posts
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Burn2Memory
United States574 Posts
On October 09 2010 07:20 forklift wrote: Kiwi is not even close to top 5. Are you kidding me? There were at least 5 protosses in GSL that were better, and that's not including people like huk and whitera. What I watched today was really disappointing. He can't expand, he can't split up his army at all, and he's completely inflexible. Just get chargelots and tech to storm, and then you can rape all the MMM and the tanks. Problem solved. But he refuses, sticks with phoenixes to defend his colossi and gets run over because he cant figure out how to split his army into, gasp, two control groups. Also makes only one observer so he can't even spot drops. GG. the only protoss who really looked impressive was Tester. Every other protoss kept making mistakes left and right. | ||
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Crissaegrim
2947 Posts
Good job. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12043 Posts
On October 09 2010 07:21 Nexi wrote: Yes, I agree, PF + repair is too strong... Blizz should make the repair for PF cost like 4x as much or something to balance it. All you have to do, is sit collosus on the PF and all of your money goes into repairing it, basically all of it. It's not imbalanced at all, since you're spending every last mineral with all your SCV's at that base repairing it, you're basically just saying, oh, this was your third base? Not for now it isn't, it's more a hinderence. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On October 09 2010 07:17 flodeskum wrote: regardless of any balance discussion, planetary fortresses make for really boring play. I'd have to agree with this. Without talking about balance, planetary fortresses just make the game slow to a crawl. Terran makes tiny drops that kill one or two critical buildings over and over while just sitting in one position with no risk of counterattack. Going to bring in a HoN analogy here, so bear with me. In HoN Deadwood was rarely seen in competitive play, but his initiation ability was still changed because he had what the developers called a no-risk initiation, and was changed to create risk when deadwood initiated. It wasn't about being OP or UP, it was about risk in the game. I think the same thing can be applied to PF camping. The terran faces no risk while still being able to do drops. Perhaps if the developers added some sort of risk/reward factor to a PF OTHER than oh you lose a mule, we would see more exciting gameplay. (Note, not saying PFs are OP or UP or anything in between, just boring) GGs from both sides, kiwi got caught out of position a few times, and was outmaneuvered elsewhere. | ||
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
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Ezze
Canada934 Posts
On October 09 2010 07:21 Eleclight wrote: I really want to see a match between Fenix and HuK! User was warned for this post | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
On October 09 2010 07:19 boesthius wrote: "a big thanks to anime" ahahahahha I rofled so hard when he said that | ||
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zemiron
United States481 Posts
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 09 2010 07:21 Nexi wrote: Yes, I agree, PF + repair is too strong... Blizz should make the repair for PF cost like 4x as much or something to balance it. Well, Fenix was like 3 mining bases ahead of Kiwi so he could have afforded it fine. 1.5 basing Toss with no upgrades loses to 4 basing terran with 3/1, obvious imbalance. | ||
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kasumimi
Greece460 Posts
On October 09 2010 07:20 kojinshugi wrote: Stop balance whining. He shouldn't have attacked it over and over. So once T was a PF expansion up it can't be broken unless you have a massive advantage? Reminds me of War3 and SK|ToD's disgusting tower defense. | ||
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question
Czech Republic509 Posts
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TECHNINE
United States25 Posts
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DminusTerran
Canada1337 Posts
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joheinous
Iceland522 Posts
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