EPTTL SC2 Open #2 - Live Thread - Page 5
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Pervect
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Zeroes
United States1102 Posts
On October 03 2010 04:55 floor exercise wrote: I've always had this theory that Nony doesn't actually play SC2 and is just waiting for the most standard builds to evolve so he can come in with better mechanics and be among the top. I've never seen anything but astoundingly mediocre play from him, and he was so much better at BW that there is just no explanation other than sheer inactivity some players have lives doesn't mean nony won't become really good once he gets rid of it | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On October 03 2010 04:55 Plexa wrote: I dont see why that would be the case, there was a referee in the game - why would it be any different if there was a caster? How is a live cast "so much more fun" anyway? Most of the times when I watch a go4sc2 final/semi there is lag and the players complain, that's not a lot of fun as a viewer. First off, casters doesnt know what games they gonna get, so you gotta switch around 3 casters all the time to see if they have started casting what you would like to see. If it would been livecast, they would say what they are gonna cast next etc.. Secondly people look at their game history and write spoilers in chats. Its also easy to tell that the casters know how long the game is gonna be, so when its close to the end they start "predicting" the winner and you know then its not gonna be some epic comeback. Last but not least- you know its not live. How does it feel to watch a recorded game of soccer even tho you dont know who won? | ||
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TT1
Canada10036 Posts
On October 03 2010 04:55 floor exercise wrote: I've always had this theory that Nony doesn't actually play SC2 and is just waiting for the most standard builds to evolve so he can come in with better mechanics and be among the top. I've never seen anything but astoundingly mediocre play from him, and he was so much better at BW that there is just no explanation other than sheer inactivity nony is actually one of the rare players that tries new stuff out, its just 1 loss.. dont look too much into it oh yea and theres a limit to how much you can grow mechanicly in sc2 as opposed to sc1, the skill gap that existed between players in sc1 will never happen in sc2 | ||
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:05 Pekkz wrote: First off, casters doesnt know what games they gonna get, so you gotta switch around 3 casters all the time to see if they have started casting what you would like to see. If it would been livecast, they would say what they are gonna cast next etc.. Except Ipp knew like 30 minutes in advance that he was casting lalush vs nony. On October 03 2010 05:05 Pekkz wrote: Secondly people look at their game history and write spoilers in chats. Yes, everybody recognizes this downside to casting from replays. Unfortunately, the alternative is to allow cheating, and given TL's past experiences with cheaters, I think their decision to cast the last several rounds from replays makes sense. On October 03 2010 05:05 Pekkz wrote: Its also easy to tell that the casters know how long the game is gonna be, so when its close to the end they start "predicting" the winner and you know then its not gonna be some epic comeback. Yeah or they could just have a pretty good idea of who's winning when the game's one-sided, and be able to reasonably predict the winner. Your evidence will be the same, but the explanation is pretty different. It's up to you to decide what the better explanation is! (Hint: Not yours.) | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:12 Pyrthas wrote: Further, we have methods in place to prevent that this time around for the semifinals and above.Yes, everybody recognizes this downside to casting from replays. Unfortunately, the alternative is to allow cheating, and given TL's past experiences with cheaters, I think their decision to cast the last several rounds from replays makes sense. Hotbid just announced it on stream; we have the players playing on guest accounts this time around so GL finding out those details and spoiling the results! | ||
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Gescom
Canada3511 Posts
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AssuredVacancy
United States1167 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:15 Plexa wrote: Further, we have methods in place to prevent that this time around for the semifinals and above. Instead of using guest accounts, why not just designate someone to leave first and play on those locked maps that can't have match history viewed. Players can just gg to signal defeat, and just not leave, but have the designated person to leave first, so it will always show as a win for one player and always a loss for the other, which doesn't spoil anything. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:22 AssuredVacancy wrote: Instead of using guest accounts, why not just designate someone to leave first and play on those locked maps that can't have match history viewed. Players can just gg to signal defeat, and just not leave, but have the designated person to leave first, so it will always show as a win for one player and always a loss for the other, which doesn't spoil anything. They bug replays. There's no point in having designating players leave, the guest account solution is far more elegant imo since the number of games played is also a spoiler | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:24 Plexa wrote: They bug replays. There's no point in having designating players leave, the guest account solution is far more elegant imo since the number of games played is also a spoiler I completely support casting from replays. If it would be at all helpful, I can make the U.S. version of the BO Hider maps end in ties instead of winner/loser. Would be completely spoiler free without the need for guest accounts at every tournament. Just an offer! Edit: Actually, I read that wrong. What's the bug with replays? It could be fixable. | ||
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
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AssuredVacancy
United States1167 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:24 Plexa wrote: They bug replays. There's no point in having designating players leave, the guest account solution is far more elegant imo since the number of games played is also a spoiler Ah didn't know they bugged replays.. But if you guys are doing it this way wouldn't you need new guest accounts after every TL Open? Seems kind of expensive.. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3511 Posts
lol -- teammates having fun | ||
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Pervect
1280 Posts
Agh vs Lalush... not Select vs SjoW EDIT: Disregard, explained on stream | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:30 Pervect wrote: Uh, isn't this (semifinals spoilers) + Show Spoiler + Agh vs Lalush... not Select vs SjoW Basically, SjoW selected Zerg and went "pick protoss you noob" And that's why this game is happening! lol | ||
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Pervect
1280 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:31 Plexa wrote: Basically, SjoW selected Zerg and went "pick protoss you noob" And that's why this game is happening! lol That owns hahaha | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:31 Plexa wrote: Basically, SjoW selected Zerg and went "pick protoss you noob" And that's why this game is happening! lol Hahaha, that explains a lot. | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:28 Pyrthas wrote: I thought replays didn't work with those maps. Edit: Yeah what you edited in. They certainly do work, as far as my knowledge goes. The replay files run, the unit/production/etc tabs still work, the follow cameras still work. If there is a bug and someone can tell me what it is, I can try to find a solution for it and work with Teddyman to make these maps as useful as they can be on both US and EU. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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