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Braavos36375 Posts
Note: The TL tournament management is a beta system. If something isn't working, please report the bug by contacting an Admin immediately.
TL SC2 Open #2 FAQ
What is the prize pool? How is it distributed?
The total prizes are $200: 1st - $100, 2nd - $50, 3rd/4th - $25.
Who is playing in the tournament? Where is the bracket?
The current registered player list is located here. Please note this is not a final list, as check in is not completed yet. The bracket will be released when check in completed.
Will replays be released?
Replay pack will be released after the tournament concludes. You are free to cast the replays afterward, but please credit the event and link to TL in the description.
Will there be a live stream?
It will be part live and part replay. Pre-approved TL Streamers will have the option of streaming matches live before the Ro16 if both players agree. If either player refuses, there will be no live stream for that match. From the Ro16 on, all matches will be cast through replays (distributed to the pre-approved streamers). The Semifinals and Finals will be cast from replays by Chill and djWHEAT.
Ro512 to Ro32 = Live casts by pre-approved streamers IF both players agree.
Ro16 & Ro8 = Replay casts by pre-approved streamers.
Semis & Finals = Official TL cast by Chill and djWHEAT.
Why cast Ro16 through replays?
We chose to do it this way because there is no method to 100% ensure player integrity when there is a live stream. Currently we cannot effectively delay the stream, and we do not have a way of checking if a player has it open in the background or is receiving messages from a friend watching.
But other tournaments cast live, can't you just trust the players?
We have always felt that competitive fairness is the most important thing in events with money prizes. All TL events follow these guidelines, and while we understand a live stream is preferable, we will not compromise our fairness standards for a marginal increase in viewer excitement. In the future, if there is a way to delay the stream or ensure nobody cheats off it, then we will cast live.
No observers? Players can say "No" to streamers?
We feel that many tournaments are burdened with multiple observers in game. This leads to competitive fairness issues, lag, and other logistical problems. Our goal is to make the tournament experience as enjoyable and smooth as possible for the players, while simultaneously maximizing entertainment for our users. All fans can watch the casts during the tournament or watch VODs and replays afterward.
Who are the referees and approved streamers?
The full referee and streamer list will be available to players after check in. When the tournament is running, the streams will be on the sidebar. Each will be streaming a different match. As stated earlier, semis and finals will be casted from replays only by the official TL channel.
What if things go terribly wrong?
We hope the TL SC2 Open #2 is an enjoyable and entertaining experience for both players and fans. However, if things don't go according to plan, we hope you guys understand that this is our first large scale open SC2 event. It is a learning process for us, and we reserve the right to modify rules or procedures to fit the circumstances.
Full Rules + Show Spoiler [Show Full Rules] +Tournament will be held on Bnet NA Server. Note: In game observers:No observers outside of designated TL casters. Their IDs will be listed in the rules here. If your opponent tries to have observers, you must stop the game and contact a referee. This means you can leave if he invites his friends or just starts the game. It is your responsibility not to allow it. Format- 512 Man Single Elimination
- Tournament will be held on the Battle.net NA Server on Saturday, Oct 02 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
- Bracket will be displayed on TeamLiquid. Participants must log in to view opponent NA IDs and Codes to contact their opponents for matches.
- Players must contact each other through Bnet chat and arrange a host (unless Ro16 or later).
- From Ro16 on, TL referees will host the game.
- Winners will report results and upload replays after each round.
- If a game's results are disputed (both players report win), Tournament Referees will check replays and determine who advances.
- Best-of-1 until Round of 16 (Round 1-5 is Bo1).
- Best-of-3 Round of 16, Round of 8, and Round of 4 (Round 6-8 is Bo3).
- Best-of-5 Finals (Round 9).
TL Open Rules- Any violation of TL Open Tournament Rules may result in game forfeit and future suspension from TL Opens and other TL events.
- No cheating in any way. This includes any sort of hack or illegal program and receiving messages from friends watching the stream. This also includes account sharing or playing under an ID that you did not register under.
- Players must set status to busy during tournament matches.
- Players may not have stream open in the background when playing.
- Players must arrive within 10 minutes of the end of the previous round. After 10 minutes, every 10 minutes is a game loss for the player who is not present. Ex: with one player present for 20 minutes, 1-0, 30 minutes, 2-0.
- Players may change race between games.
- Players may not play in another tournament that conflicts with TL Open play time. Referees may disqualify players that delay the TL Open due to scheduling conflicts.
- Referees may warn and disqualify players for chat violations, including excessive or abusive insults toward players, observers, or referees.
Maps and Host Rules- Games will be hosted on one of the approved maps.
- In a Bo1, host must create on designated map for that round.
- In a Bo3, first game will be played on designated map, loser picks the next map from the pool.
- Maps cannot be played twice in a series.
- It is the player's responsibility to check the map pool. If a player protests an incorrect map after playing a game on it, the game will not be replayed.
- Map Pool: Meta, Xel, Delta, Blistering, Scrap, LT
- Note that Kulas, Desert, and Steppes are NOT in the map pool
- Round 1 (512) Bo1 - Delta Quadrant
- Round 2 (256) Bo1 - Xel'Naga Caverns
- Round 3 (128) Bo1 - Metalopolis
- Round 4 (64) Bo1- Lost Temple
- Round 5 (32) Bo1 - Scrap Station
- Round 6 (16) Bo3 - Blistering Sands
- Round 7 (8) Bo3 - Delta Quadrant
- Round 8 (4) Bo3 - Xel'Naga Caverns
- Round 9 (2) Bo5 - Metalopolis
Disconnects and Lag- If your opponent is disconnecting, players should take a screenshot of the lag screen and contact the tournament referee.
- If a disconnect happens in the first five minutes and there has been no player-opponent contact, game will be replayed.
- In a Bo1, if a disconnect happens after player-opponent contact, disconnecting player receives a loss. The Referee will make the final decision after reviewing the screenshot and replay.
- In a Bo3, if a disconnect happens after player-contact, player must contact Referee immediately and Referee will decide how to proceed after reviewing the evidence.
- Referees and Tournament Administrators reserve the right to overturn results or award wins based on evidence they see.
- If there is persistent unplayable lag (lag screen comes up more than once in a short time), players must contact a Referee who will decide how to proceed.
Coverage and Observer Rules- TL will officially cast both semifinals and the finals.
- No observers are allowed in games other than those designated by TL.
- TL will designate "approved" observers who will be allowed to observe and broadcast games.
- TL referees are also allowed to be in game.
- There will only be a maximum of one observer in each match.
- If the host invites a non-approved observer to the game and starts, game does not count.
- If game lags with an approved observer in game, that observer must leave at the request of a player. If a TL referee is in game, he will make this decision.
- Observers and broadcasters are subject to the same rules for cheating and abuse as players. TL may suspend observers from future TL events if violations occur.
- If you would like to be an official observer / broadcaster for the Altitude TL Open, please apply by PMing Hot_Bid. The more information you can provide about your stream, average viewers, and casting experience, the better.
Interested in sponsoring a future TL SC2 Open? Please see our advertising / sponsorship page.
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I missed the check in ??? damn
too bad i ran over 120 mph to return home in time 
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Good Luck everyone !!! (I'm sorry for early registering and then not playing, I honestly thought this was on Sunday...I even wrote it down as a Sunday on my whiteboard.. T_T)
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Two games on Ragequit/Wolf, two dc's. Let's hope the server stability improves!
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Alright. Good luck to everyone.
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Russian Federation132 Posts
only 5 europeans? is there a reason?
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On October 03 2010 01:22 Gaspadin wrote:
only 5 europeans? is there a reason?
Well it's on US b.net... so mainly latency I guess
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On October 03 2010 01:09 stalife wrote:
Good Luck everyone !!! (I'm sorry for early registering and then not playing, I honestly thought this was on Sunday...I even wrote it down as a Sunday on my whiteboard.. T_T)
stalife drops... from the tournament
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Check in missed? What >_>
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Kiwikaki is out lost against Taurent.
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On October 03 2010 01:32 Liquid`Meat wrote:
Kiwikaki is out lost against Taurent.
Mothership strat was an interesting idea. It obviously didn't work, but I didn't see the rest of the game outside of the final push to see what sense it made. Seems risky just up front though. Good FF and timing push by Taurent.
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Yeah seems hard to pull off the mothership thing if your natural is so open (Xel Naga) and you're playing a good player. He should almost always be able to take advantage of the timing where the mothership isn't done yet.
On October 03 2010 01:42 natewOw wrote:
Are there any streams?
There's a bunch top right.
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MorroW lost in the first round? Wow, I wonder what happened.
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Definitely a risky thing to do in a best of 1 unless you know for certain you are outclassed by your opponent and need to pull off a gimmick to win.
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On October 03 2010 01:46 zemiron wrote:
MorroW lost in the first round? Wow, I wonder what happened.
Says 0 0 next to this game which means no games have been played. Morrow had to surrender because he had to play something else.
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On October 03 2010 01:49 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 01:46 zemiron wrote:
MorroW lost in the first round? Wow, I wonder what happened. Says 0 0 next to this game which means no games have been played. Morrow had to surrender because he had to play something else.
Oh okay. Thanks. I totally didn't see the numbers there.
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Gah. Was up all night watching the GSL. Forgot to set my alarm again and woke up literally 10 minutes after the start time and ran to my computer but was too late for the check in.
fuuuuuuuck.
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Tyler 3-0 so far next game being cast on gamequit.tv
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Socke down in round 1 huh? OUch.
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On October 03 2010 02:06 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Tyler 3-0 so far next game being cast on gamequit.tv
Ragequit.tv?
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lost my first match
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Is there (an approximate?) time the replay casts will be shown?
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Who's this Taurant guy? He's doing pretty well.
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On October 03 2010 01:34 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 01:32 Liquid`Meat wrote:
Kiwikaki is out lost against Taurent. Mothership strat was an interesting idea. It obviously didn't work, but I didn't see the rest of the game outside of the final push to see what sense it made. Seems risky just up front though. Good FF and timing push by Taurent.
Kiwi lost to it against LagLovah last night in some showmatch or tourney. Must have figured he'd give it a shot himself 
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Taurent beat Kiwikaki and LzGamer pretty solid.
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Wow, looking at the field that's left.. It is VERY protoss heavy.
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Well, kiwikaki put himself in a bit of a hole with some mothership nonsense. But Taurent did a nice job of scouting it and attacking before it came out.
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On October 03 2010 01:09 stalife wrote:
Good Luck everyone !!! (I'm sorry for early registering and then not playing, I honestly thought this was on Sunday...I even wrote it down as a Sunday on my whiteboard.. T_T)
same thing here i though it was sunday QQ
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Well it did start 01:00 KST Sunday.
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On October 03 2010 01:49 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 01:46 zemiron wrote:
MorroW lost in the first round? Wow, I wonder what happened. Says 0 0 next to this game which means no games have been played. Morrow had to surrender because he had to play something else.
I think that makes about the 3rd time he's been double booked on tourneys.
Go Tyler!
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Gahhhh, my apologies for not making it. I stayed up all night watching the GSL, and slept through my alarm -_-
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bah lost round 5 vs huk PvP. GL to firezerg and all SEAians left! :D
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:/ NA all of the sudden became so Protoss heavy. I was expecting something like the first TL Open where we saw massive Terran. But man was I wrong. Some nice upsets overall. Looking forward to the upcoming rounds.
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or not . bl shuffle
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bad luck pinder, SEA hwaiting!
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ahhh who's going to cast huk vs qxc? Must see that one! >_<
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Noni vs Lalush is gonna be fun. Whos gonna cast that one?
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i believe all games ro16 onwards are casted from replays to prevent cheating. so you might be waiting a while for those casts.
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On October 03 2010 03:16 Pekkz wrote:
Noni vs Lalush is gonna be fun. Whos gonna cast that one?
Definitely looking forward to this! Both players are so awesome.
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where is it getting cast?
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Huk vs. QXC game 1 starting on Wolf's stream!
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Lalush v Nony on Ragequit.TV
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when is the official stream starting and where can i find it?
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Same number of Swedes in the ro16 for NA TL Open as their were for EU TL Open.
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i cant find streams for this T_T sad panda
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On October 03 2010 03:45 Mawi wrote:
i cant find streams for this T_T sad panda
Look to the right.
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On October 03 2010 03:46 Pyrthas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 03:45 Mawi wrote:
i cant find streams for this T_T sad panda Look to the right.
Wtf somehow i must of been blind thank you so much :D
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Man nony vs lalush is not being broadcasted... tvp all day.
It's select vs hexan on rq.tv
huk vs qxc on wolf
Alphaiiomega vs whoever on trump
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SAMMY P IN THE HIZZZZZZAY
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On October 03 2010 03:50 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Man nony vs lalush is not being broadcasted... tvp all day.
It's select vs hexan on rq.tv
huk vs qxc on wolf
Alphaiiomega vs whoever on trump
WTB epic Z v P !
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Pretty sure lalush vs nony will be next on ragequit.tv. (Edit: That's what Ipp is saying, anyway. Yeah, first game's coming now.)
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Wow nony is playing so terrible.. throwing away high templars, not using forcefields despite having a billion sentries.
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Yeah, that looked pretty gross. X_X
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noni's control is absolutely horrible. keeps suiciding templar, engaging just before upgrades, missing storms.
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And then he left because he didn't know it was a bo3 or something?
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On October 03 2010 04:21 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Wow nony is playing so terrible.. throwing away high templars, not using forcefields despite having a billion sentries.
i think he expected to have storm for that fight, as it was seconds away from finishing, if u imagine the trapping force fields he planted with storm all over the lalushes units, that fight would've gone in nony's favor even more convincingly than it went in lalushes favor otherwise.
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On October 03 2010 04:24 Ftrunkz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 04:21 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Wow nony is playing so terrible.. throwing away high templars, not using forcefields despite having a billion sentries. i think he expected to have storm for that fight, as it was seconds away from finishing, if u imagine the trapping force fields he planted with storm all over the lalushes units, that fight would've gone in nony's favor even more convincingly than it went in lalushes favor otherwise.
IT WAS 1 SECOND FROM FINISHING!1!!1!1
+ Show Spoiler +Hope people know what I am talking about :D.
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that is a gold level mistake, not a top pros. thats no excuse. also even when he had storm he ran in templars headfirst into the zerg in thefinal battle, only got 2 meaningful storms off.
the bad aftertaste from that game isnt helped at all by irritating commentating sorry for being a dick but if you have a speech impediment it might be best not to be commentating on big tournies
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On October 03 2010 04:24 Ftrunkz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 04:21 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Wow nony is playing so terrible.. throwing away high templars, not using forcefields despite having a billion sentries. i think he expected to have storm for that fight
Wouldn't be the first time he'd expected to have storm and didn't. 
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
lol so he dq'd himself? seriously did he read about the tournament at all?
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On October 03 2010 04:24 Ftrunkz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 04:21 AssuredVacancy wrote:
Wow nony is playing so terrible.. throwing away high templars, not using forcefields despite having a billion sentries. i think he expected to have storm for that fight, as it was seconds away from finishing, if u imagine the trapping force fields he planted with storm all over the lalushes units, that fight would've gone in nony's favor even more convincingly than it went in lalushes favor otherwise.
Still he attack moved the high templars to the opponent's forces... which is a pretty elementary mistake regardless of whether he expected the research to finish or not.
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Game of Nony vs lalush was so anticlimax. Was looking forward to game two, then suddently there was no game two... I hate this replay casting, its so shit, takes away all the fun=[
I know they wanna keep it safe and i would understand if there was alot of money on the line , but to do replay casting for tournament with 200$ in prices is just stupid.
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Nony
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Why are brackets not getting updated anymore? :/ Is there a reason?
EDIT: They just got updated and I look like a fool.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
On October 03 2010 04:34 midgettoes wrote:
Why are brackets not getting updated anymore? :/ Is there a reason?
to avoid spoilers in case the casters havent finished casting from replays. i expect them to be updated shortly though.
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On October 03 2010 04:31 Pekkz wrote:
Game of Nony vs lalush was so anticlimax. Was looking forward to game two, then suddently there was no game two... I hate this replay casting, its so shit, takes away all the fun=[
I don't understand what casting from replays has to do with Nony leaving after one game because he didn't know it was a bo3.
On October 03 2010 04:31 Pekkz wrote:
I know they wanna keep it safe and i would understand if there was alot of money on the line , but to do replay casting for tournament with 200$ in prices is just stupid.
I totally agree. When only $200 is on the line, cheating is fine.
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I missed the check in...
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On October 03 2010 04:31 Pekkz wrote:
Game of Nony vs lalush was so anticlimax. Was looking forward to game two, then suddently there was no game two... I hate this replay casting, its so shit, takes away all the fun=[
I know they wanna keep it safe and i would understand if there was alot of money on the line , but to do replay casting for tournament with 200$ in prices is just stupid.
How would that be any better live? "Oh.. Tyler has gone offline um lets sit around at the lobby doing nothing for 20 minutes while we try to get him back". I think that is less exciting than moving on to the next round of games, wouldn't you agree?
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Damn man... Having GSL final at 5am made getting to the check in for this so hard. Sorry for wasting a slot guys.
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The caster for the european event where way better :p But the this time it seems to run smoother.
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On October 03 2010 04:38 Pyrthas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 04:31 Pekkz wrote:
Game of Nony vs lalush was so anticlimax. Was looking forward to game two, then suddently there was no game two... I hate this replay casting, its so shit, takes away all the fun=[ I don't understand what casting from replays has to do with Nony leaving after one game because he didn't know it was a bo3. Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 04:31 Pekkz wrote:
I know they wanna keep it safe and i would understand if there was alot of money on the line , but to do replay casting for tournament with 200$ in prices is just stupid. I totally agree. When only $200 is on the line, cheating is fine.
Nony would been told it was BO3 if it had been casted for sure.
My second point was that there are tournaments all over the place doing live casts with more money involved. Live cast just makes it so much more fun for the viewers, and taking a small risk like that to make it more fun for the viewers is preferable.
And btw, nobody said cheating is fine, stop making stuff up and come up with solid agruements instead of sarcasm bulllshit.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 03 2010 04:52 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 04:38 Pyrthas wrote:On October 03 2010 04:31 Pekkz wrote:
Game of Nony vs lalush was so anticlimax. Was looking forward to game two, then suddently there was no game two... I hate this replay casting, its so shit, takes away all the fun=[ I don't understand what casting from replays has to do with Nony leaving after one game because he didn't know it was a bo3. On October 03 2010 04:31 Pekkz wrote:
I know they wanna keep it safe and i would understand if there was alot of money on the line , but to do replay casting for tournament with 200$ in prices is just stupid. I totally agree. When only $200 is on the line, cheating is fine. Nony would been told it was BO3 if it had been casted for sure. My second point was that there are tournaments all over the place doing live casts with more money involved. Live cast just makes it so much more fun for the viewers, and taking a small risk like that to make it more fun for the viewers is preferable. And btw, nobody said cheating is fine, stop making stuff up and come up with solid agruements instead of sarcasm bulllshit.
I dont see why that would be the case, there was a referee in the game - why would it be any different if there was a caster?
How is a live cast "so much more fun" anyway? Most of the times when I watch a go4sc2 final/semi there is lag and the players complain, that's not a lot of fun as a viewer.
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I've always had this theory that Nony doesn't actually play SC2 and is just waiting for the most standard builds to evolve so he can come in with better mechanics and be among the top. I've never seen anything but astoundingly mediocre play from him, and he was so much better at BW that there is just no explanation other than sheer inactivity
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On October 03 2010 04:55 floor exercise wrote:
I've always had this theory that Nony doesn't actually play SC2 and is just waiting for the most standard builds to evolve so he can come in with better mechanics and be among the top. I've never seen anything but astoundingly mediocre play from him, and he was so much better at BW that there is just no explanation other than sheer inactivity
lol
User was warned for this post
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nony's performance/results in recent tournaments is pretty disappointing :/ is he even training regularly?
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On October 03 2010 04:46 R1CH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 04:31 Pekkz wrote:
Game of Nony vs lalush was so anticlimax. Was looking forward to game two, then suddently there was no game two... I hate this replay casting, its so shit, takes away all the fun=[
I know they wanna keep it safe and i would understand if there was alot of money on the line , but to do replay casting for tournament with 200$ in prices is just stupid. How would that be any better live? "Oh.. Tyler has gone offline um lets sit around at the lobby doing nothing for 20 minutes while we try to get him back". I think that is less exciting than moving on to the next round of games, wouldn't you agree?
Im thinking it would have come up in the lobby before the game or someone would have messaged him instantly after they saw he wrote "gl in the tournament" , or someone would have called him instantly after he logged off.
Ofc we cant know for sure, but it seems likely.
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I'm sure Incontrol will attack him on State of the Game every time he talks for this mistake
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On October 03 2010 04:55 floor exercise wrote:
I've always had this theory that Nony doesn't actually play SC2 and is just waiting for the most standard builds to evolve so he can come in with better mechanics and be among the top. I've never seen anything but astoundingly mediocre play from him, and he was so much better at BW that there is just no explanation other than sheer inactivity
some players have lives doesn't mean nony won't become really good once he gets rid of it
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On October 03 2010 04:55 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 04:52 Pekkz wrote:On October 03 2010 04:38 Pyrthas wrote:On October 03 2010 04:31 Pekkz wrote:
Game of Nony vs lalush was so anticlimax. Was looking forward to game two, then suddently there was no game two... I hate this replay casting, its so shit, takes away all the fun=[ I don't understand what casting from replays has to do with Nony leaving after one game because he didn't know it was a bo3. On October 03 2010 04:31 Pekkz wrote:
I know they wanna keep it safe and i would understand if there was alot of money on the line , but to do replay casting for tournament with 200$ in prices is just stupid. I totally agree. When only $200 is on the line, cheating is fine. Nony would been told it was BO3 if it had been casted for sure. My second point was that there are tournaments all over the place doing live casts with more money involved. Live cast just makes it so much more fun for the viewers, and taking a small risk like that to make it more fun for the viewers is preferable. And btw, nobody said cheating is fine, stop making stuff up and come up with solid agruements instead of sarcasm bulllshit. I dont see why that would be the case, there was a referee in the game - why would it be any different if there was a caster? How is a live cast "so much more fun" anyway? Most of the times when I watch a go4sc2 final/semi there is lag and the players complain, that's not a lot of fun as a viewer.
First off, casters doesnt know what games they gonna get, so you gotta switch around 3 casters all the time to see if they have started casting what you would like to see. If it would been livecast, they would say what they are gonna cast next etc.. Secondly people look at their game history and write spoilers in chats.
Its also easy to tell that the casters know how long the game is gonna be, so when its close to the end they start "predicting" the winner and you know then its not gonna be some epic comeback.
Last but not least- you know its not live. How does it feel to watch a recorded game of soccer even tho you dont know who won?
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On October 03 2010 04:55 floor exercise wrote:
I've always had this theory that Nony doesn't actually play SC2 and is just waiting for the most standard builds to evolve so he can come in with better mechanics and be among the top. I've never seen anything but astoundingly mediocre play from him, and he was so much better at BW that there is just no explanation other than sheer inactivity
nony is actually one of the rare players that tries new stuff out, its just 1 loss.. dont look too much into it
oh yea and theres a limit to how much you can grow mechanicly in sc2 as opposed to sc1, the skill gap that existed between players in sc1 will never happen in sc2
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On October 03 2010 05:05 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 04:55 Plexa wrote:On October 03 2010 04:52 Pekkz wrote:On October 03 2010 04:38 Pyrthas wrote:On October 03 2010 04:31 Pekkz wrote:
Game of Nony vs lalush was so anticlimax. Was looking forward to game two, then suddently there was no game two... I hate this replay casting, its so shit, takes away all the fun=[ I don't understand what casting from replays has to do with Nony leaving after one game because he didn't know it was a bo3. On October 03 2010 04:31 Pekkz wrote:
I know they wanna keep it safe and i would understand if there was alot of money on the line , but to do replay casting for tournament with 200$ in prices is just stupid. I totally agree. When only $200 is on the line, cheating is fine. Nony would been told it was BO3 if it had been casted for sure. My second point was that there are tournaments all over the place doing live casts with more money involved. Live cast just makes it so much more fun for the viewers, and taking a small risk like that to make it more fun for the viewers is preferable. And btw, nobody said cheating is fine, stop making stuff up and come up with solid agruements instead of sarcasm bulllshit. I dont see why that would be the case, there was a referee in the game - why would it be any different if there was a caster? How is a live cast "so much more fun" anyway? Most of the times when I watch a go4sc2 final/semi there is lag and the players complain, that's not a lot of fun as a viewer. First off, casters doesnt know what games they gonna get, so you gotta switch around 3 casters all the time to see if they have started casting what you would like to see. If it would been livecast, they would say what they are gonna cast next etc..
Except Ipp knew like 30 minutes in advance that he was casting lalush vs nony.
On October 03 2010 05:05 Pekkz wrote:
Secondly people look at their game history and write spoilers in chats.
Yes, everybody recognizes this downside to casting from replays. Unfortunately, the alternative is to allow cheating, and given TL's past experiences with cheaters, I think their decision to cast the last several rounds from replays makes sense.
On October 03 2010 05:05 Pekkz wrote:
Its also easy to tell that the casters know how long the game is gonna be, so when its close to the end they start "predicting" the winner and you know then its not gonna be some epic comeback.
Yeah or they could just have a pretty good idea of who's winning when the game's one-sided, and be able to reasonably predict the winner. Your evidence will be the same, but the explanation is pretty different. It's up to you to decide what the better explanation is! (Hint: Not yours.)
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:12 Pyrthas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 05:05 Pekkz wrote:
Secondly people look at their game history and write spoilers in chats. Yes, everybody recognizes this downside to casting from replays. Unfortunately, the alternative is to allow cheating, and given TL's past experiences with cheaters, I think their decision to cast the last several rounds from replays makes sense. Further, we have methods in place to prevent that this time around for the semifinals and above.
Hotbid just announced it on stream; we have the players playing on guest accounts this time around so GL finding out those details and spoiling the results!
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On October 03 2010 05:15 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 05:12 Pyrthas wrote:On October 03 2010 05:05 Pekkz wrote:
Secondly people look at their game history and write spoilers in chats. Yes, everybody recognizes this downside to casting from replays. Unfortunately, the alternative is to allow cheating, and given TL's past experiences with cheaters, I think their decision to cast the last several rounds from replays makes sense. Further, we have methods in place to prevent that this time around for the semifinals and above.
Instead of using guest accounts, why not just designate someone to leave first and play on those locked maps that can't have match history viewed. Players can just gg to signal defeat, and just not leave, but have the designated person to leave first, so it will always show as a win for one player and always a loss for the other, which doesn't spoil anything.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:22 AssuredVacancy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 05:15 Plexa wrote:On October 03 2010 05:12 Pyrthas wrote:On October 03 2010 05:05 Pekkz wrote:
Secondly people look at their game history and write spoilers in chats. Yes, everybody recognizes this downside to casting from replays. Unfortunately, the alternative is to allow cheating, and given TL's past experiences with cheaters, I think their decision to cast the last several rounds from replays makes sense. Further, we have methods in place to prevent that this time around for the semifinals and above. Instead of using guest accounts, why not just designate someone to leave first and play on those locked maps that can't have match history viewed. Players can just gg to signal defeat, and just not leave, but have the designated person to leave first, so it will always show as a win for one player and always a loss for the other, which doesn't spoil anything.
They bug replays. There's no point in having designating players leave, the guest account solution is far more elegant imo since the number of games played is also a spoiler
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On October 03 2010 05:24 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 05:22 AssuredVacancy wrote:On October 03 2010 05:15 Plexa wrote:On October 03 2010 05:12 Pyrthas wrote:On October 03 2010 05:05 Pekkz wrote:
Secondly people look at their game history and write spoilers in chats. Yes, everybody recognizes this downside to casting from replays. Unfortunately, the alternative is to allow cheating, and given TL's past experiences with cheaters, I think their decision to cast the last several rounds from replays makes sense. Further, we have methods in place to prevent that this time around for the semifinals and above. Instead of using guest accounts, why not just designate someone to leave first and play on those locked maps that can't have match history viewed. Players can just gg to signal defeat, and just not leave, but have the designated person to leave first, so it will always show as a win for one player and always a loss for the other, which doesn't spoil anything. They bug replays. There's no point in having designating players leave, the guest account solution is far more elegant imo since the number of games played is also a spoiler
I completely support casting from replays. If it would be at all helpful, I can make the U.S. version of the BO Hider maps end in ties instead of winner/loser. Would be completely spoiler free without the need for guest accounts at every tournament. Just an offer!
Edit: Actually, I read that wrong. What's the bug with replays? It could be fixable.
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I thought replays didn't work with those maps. Edit: Yeah what you edited in.
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On October 03 2010 05:24 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 05:22 AssuredVacancy wrote:On October 03 2010 05:15 Plexa wrote:On October 03 2010 05:12 Pyrthas wrote:On October 03 2010 05:05 Pekkz wrote:
Secondly people look at their game history and write spoilers in chats. Yes, everybody recognizes this downside to casting from replays. Unfortunately, the alternative is to allow cheating, and given TL's past experiences with cheaters, I think their decision to cast the last several rounds from replays makes sense. Further, we have methods in place to prevent that this time around for the semifinals and above. Instead of using guest accounts, why not just designate someone to leave first and play on those locked maps that can't have match history viewed. Players can just gg to signal defeat, and just not leave, but have the designated person to leave first, so it will always show as a win for one player and always a loss for the other, which doesn't spoil anything. They bug replays. There's no point in having designating players leave, the guest account solution is far more elegant imo since the number of games played is also a spoiler
Ah didn't know they bugged replays.. But if you guys are doing it this way wouldn't you need new guest accounts after every TL Open? Seems kind of expensive..
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Is SeleCT playing protoss? I thought he was normally terran.
lol -- teammates having fun
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Uh, isn't this (semifinals spoilers) + Show Spoiler +Agh vs Lalush... not Select vs SjoW
EDIT: Disregard, explained on stream
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:30 Pervect wrote:Uh, isn't this (semifinals spoilers) + Show Spoiler +Agh vs Lalush... not Select vs SjoW
Basically, SjoW selected Zerg and went "pick protoss you noob"
And that's why this game is happening! lol
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On October 03 2010 05:31 Plexa wrote:Basically, SjoW selected Zerg and went "pick protoss you noob" And that's why this game is happening! lol
That owns hahaha
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United States4126 Posts
On October 03 2010 05:31 Plexa wrote:Basically, SjoW selected Zerg and went "pick protoss you noob" And that's why this game is happening! lol
Hahaha, that explains a lot.
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On October 03 2010 05:28 Pyrthas wrote:I thought replays didn't work with those maps. Edit: Yeah what you edited in.
They certainly do work, as far as my knowledge goes. The replay files run, the unit/production/etc tabs still work, the follow cameras still work. If there is a bug and someone can tell me what it is, I can try to find a solution for it and work with Teddyman to make these maps as useful as they can be on both US and EU.
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why aren't brackets updated to Ro8 if the semis are already happening?
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Sjow not very impressive with zerg lol.
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Now how much to bet that these offrace games are been added TvT to TLPD
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Sjow banking 3k minerals by the end even with barely any drones mining lol. And not understanding how to deal with colossus + force fields.
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On October 03 2010 05:46 teamsolid wrote:
Sjow banking 3k minerals by the end even with barely any drones mining lol. And not understanding how to deal with colossus + force fields.
Yeah, he didn't have a lot of drones and then decided just ling/hydra is good vs Stalker/Sentry/Colo
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Since when does SjoW play Zerg?
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On October 03 2010 05:47 CruelZeratul wrote:
Since when does SjoW play Zerg?
Read previous posts to find the exciting answer!
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On October 03 2010 05:47 CruelZeratul wrote:
Since when does SjoW play Zerg?
They're teammates and they decided to offrace, Select is playing P as well.
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Video quality on this is amazing.. good job to whoever handles that.
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the observer needs to have the production tab up, he's not noticing the pit
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On October 03 2010 05:50 acceLL wrote:
Video quality on this is amazing.. good job to whoever handles that.
I'm going to take a guess and say it's probably djWheat streaming, he usually puts a lot of work into his production quality. And it is amazing!
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United States12607 Posts
HAHA! That battle was so sick. I love this infestor ZvP play, neural parasite on colossi seems so so strong. Wonder if it's actually viable as a standard build.
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On October 03 2010 05:59 JWD wrote:
HAHA! That battle was so sick. I love this infestor ZvP play, neural parasite on colossi seems so so strong. Wonder if it's actually viable as sa standard build.
About 2 more sentries and it wouldn't work. Forcefield to cut the zerg army, keep colossi back, infestors won't be able to reach them
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guys, kudos for using replays!
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On October 03 2010 06:03 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 05:59 JWD wrote:
HAHA! That battle was so sick. I love this infestor ZvP play, neural parasite on colossi seems so so strong. Wonder if it's actually viable as sa standard build. About 2 more sentries and it wouldn't work. Forcefield to cut the zerg army, keep colossi back, infestors won't be able to reach them
Or just using hightemplar to feedback
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gotta say i enjoyed those games more than TvT
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djwheat's korean intros are amazing
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On October 03 2010 06:07 Slow Motion wrote:
djwheat's korean intros are amazing
agreed
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lol how those terrans are not used to micro their units ._. just letting the zealot kill like 5 drones and the queen before.. instead of just kitting it.
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Nice series. I guess I would have been playing a few games myself if they played TvT.
Two good players off-racing is quite interesting imo
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Two players off race, zerg vs protoss. Pretty much a given whos gonna win
Impressive game two by sjow, but shows in game 3 that he doesnt have to think about early pressure as terran very often, very poor defending. queen 4 lings 5 drones taken by 2 zealots and a probe?
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On October 03 2010 06:19 Pekkz wrote:Two players off race, zerg vs protoss. Pretty much a given whos gonna win Impressive game two by sjow, but shows in game 3 that he doesnt have to think about early pressure as terran very often, very poor defending. queen 4 lings 5 drones taken by 2 zealots and a probe?
It was worse than that.He lost his queen when he easily could have saved it and then lost 5 drones to a single zealot when his roaches were away from his base.If he just attacked instead of coming back with the 3 roaches he could've done a lot of damage :/.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
agh has such awful colossi micro...
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Valhalla18444 Posts
god djwheat is such a good commentator
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The 21 minute hydra range build! :D ROFL!
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On October 03 2010 06:36 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
god djwheat is such a good commentator
his game knowledge is a little lacking but he more then makes up for it with his style.
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<3 DJWheat
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Sjow didn't play well in games 1 (pure ling/hydra vs stalker/sentry/colossus... lol) and 3 (handling 2 gate poorly and bad spine placement) and Select really should not have attack with one colossus in game 2.
Really liked Lalush's first game though, despite the late range.
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On October 03 2010 06:32 Telcontar wrote:
agh has such awful colossi micro...
agh has awful micro overall I think... might be the lag, but i don't know.
edit: nevermind agh is just bad in general after seeing his play with voidray and phoenix.. didn't do anything with the voidray just shooting at larva.
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This tournament was really fun, despite having at most 3 hours of sleep (not that I seemed to be playing worse than usual...). Just being in a big, open tournament with a lot of great players had me all pumped up.
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On October 03 2010 06:42 AssuredVacancy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 06:32 Telcontar wrote:
agh has such awful colossi micro... agh has awful micro overall I think... might be the lag, but i don't know. edit: nevermind agh is just bad in general after seeing his play with voidray and phoenix.. didn't do anything with the voidray just shooting at larva.
the game on xelnaga was extremely lagged/delayed. My colossi in front was because I couldn't control them. So not saying I would of outright won that game but My obs scouted his spire and I knew I had a perfect window.
2nd game was just botched.
My micro must be pretty bad if I won previous games being down 50+ supply in P mirror.
Regardless lalush played solid and deserved that series.
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the stream just broke am i the only one?
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On October 03 2010 06:51 Dogbert wrote:
the stream just broke am i the only one?
not me
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LOL chill loaded the wrong replay
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On October 03 2010 06:50 Agh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 06:42 AssuredVacancy wrote:On October 03 2010 06:32 Telcontar wrote:
agh has such awful colossi micro... agh has awful micro overall I think... might be the lag, but i don't know. edit: nevermind agh is just bad in general after seeing his play with voidray and phoenix.. didn't do anything with the voidray just shooting at larva. the game on xelnaga was extremely lagged/delayed. My colossi in front was because I couldn't control them. So not saying I would of outright won that game but My obs scouted his spire and I knew I had a perfect window. 2nd game was just botched. My micro must be pretty bad if I won previous games being down 50+ supply in P mirror. Regardless lalush played solid and deserved that series.
Why did you make 4-5 phoenixes in the second game rather than 2 voidrays? Having 3 voidrays would've done some serious damage before his hydras are finished, and could've defended that roach push.
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lol, "get that man a can of Raid!!"
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If I knew he was going that heavy of roach I would of easily done that. Unfortunately I don't have maphacks. Hindsight is always obvious.
but anyway enough of that.
Also wanted to thank TL for hosting another awesome tourny.
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United States11390 Posts
That bunker rush defense was so sick.
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United States12607 Posts
This drives me bonkers, and I see it all the time in TvZ these days. Why do Terrans bother to attack roaches with their hellions? Why not run by? You never saw BW pros attacking dragoons with their vultures...the goal should be to slaughter drones no??
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Select is running a TvZ clinic right now. He should just throw in a reaper just to rub some salt on the wound.
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So terrans harass allmost ended the game. Medivac hellions harass is so incredible strong, why the hell didnt rainbow use em on fruitseller is my question.
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On October 03 2010 07:19 Slow Motion wrote:
Select is running a TvZ clinic right now. He should just throw in a reaper just to rub some salt on the wound.
You are so right. It is so painful to watch
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Select has insane hellion controll. Maby it has to be standard to throw in spinecrawlers in the mineral line since roaches/queens are just too slow to defend against incredible mobile hellions
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The amount of replays are a huge spoiler.
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The amount of replays are a huge spoiler. TRUE
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lalush was pretty on-tilt in that last game
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On October 03 2010 07:25 Pekkz wrote:Select has insane hellion controll. Maby it has to be standard to throw in spinecrawlers in the mineral line since roaches/queens are just too slow to defend against incredible mobile hellions
+ Show Spoiler +His whole harrass was insane tbh. He just kept pounding him. I wonder if lalush wasn't a bit to comfortable after doing awesome reaction to the bunker rush. I mean I'd say select was quite a bit behind after it failed, but his hellion harrass was just way to effective. Spines would've definitely helped stop it from doing so crazy dmg.
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On October 03 2010 07:26 lacho_u wrote:
The amount of replays are a huge spoiler. TRUE
No they're not. Do Chill and WHEAT have to explain this every TL Open? The replays are not named in any particular scheme, and on top of that the casters are getting the reps as they are being played, so there's no way to know whether they have the whole series yet.
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Reapers are so annoying but that just makes it so much more sweet when they blow up
Stimmed marauders vs spire 1-0
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Too sloppy with those reapers in the start
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United States12607 Posts
Yo LaLush! Where's the creep spread man?
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LOL Infested Terran brigade!! SICK
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this game is so frustrating for a zerg player
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Hero bunker at the back of the command center.
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On October 03 2010 07:26 skindzer wrote:
The amount of replays are a huge spoiler.
On October 03 2010 07:26 lacho_u wrote:
The amount of replays are a huge spoiler. TRUE
We give the replay right as the game finished, they will always have 1+ than the game they are on.
They had 2 replays during game 1.
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On October 03 2010 07:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
pretty cool game
i strongly disagree
but then again i am strongly biased
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I just got in.
Can some one please tell me what happened so far in the finals?
I think it's the third game now, whats the standing and is it bo5 or bo7?
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why is this finalist zerg not spreading creep? 4 hatcheries and no creep spread.
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wise words lalush, wise words.
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Stupid words lalush, stupid words.
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Lalush over committed in that game. Well it's not the first time he's done it. When he has the advantage he just starts throwing his units away into the Terran defense.
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That was silly to put his name out there with that comment.
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Wasn't Lalush being nice to Select, saying (since he's korean, sort of, korean american), he plays proper zvt, and he also said gg.
I'm confuzzled
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Lalush is correct, no europe/us zerg stands a chance against good terrans atm, you need to be able to do what fruitdealer does, and that requires insane skill.
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On October 03 2010 07:46 UnholyRai wrote:
why is this finalist zerg not spreading creep? 4 hatcheries and no creep spread.
Not enough multitasking.. you could see that he was just putting constant aggression on the terran and trying to delay push with infestors, and trying to defend his expos from drops. On top of that he has to inject larva and expand/tech. It's pretty hard to do all this and still spread creep regularly.
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lol completely outplayed, lalush really need to expand and spread creep more and push for the late game. Not flood units in to bunkers and siege tanks for 10 mins olol
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Nice play by select and gj lalush in getting so far. Good cast as well jiji.
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Lalush is a very impatient zerg that likes to throw away any advantage he gets, then when the Terran comes back he blames imbalance.
Not trying to flame him, Im just stating his general tendency in threads on TL and inside the game.
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I'd like to see SeleCT play Fruit.
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Yeah SeleCT played well, GG! SeleCT is the king of TL tournaments ^^.
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Lalush just played badly, throwing units away to try and end it early. Should have sat back, defended, droned up and rolled with hive tech when the T push actually came.
And no, that doesn't take a korean.
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On October 03 2010 07:49 GenoZStriker wrote:
Lalush over committed in that game. Well it's not the first time he's done it. When he has the advantage he just starts throwing his units away into the Terran defense.
Aye, the last game I'd say lalush threw it kinda. I mean he defended against that reaper harass very well which ended in him far ahead. Trying to pound a fortified position like that... esp. with that back bunker owning things up... It felt like he'd have the game in his hands if he had just played passively, spread creep and made sure to be alert against drops.
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On October 03 2010 07:46 UnholyRai wrote:
why is this finalist zerg not spreading creep? 4 hatcheries and no creep spread.
This is why people think ZvT needs major tweaks: Zerg while staying alive,not letting Terran play safe NEEDS to spread creep. There were many discussions about creep. People are starting to think that creep is more of handicap,than a proper help. All those things take a lot of APM. Also,I think those Ultras with a bit more lings and 5~ roaches could turn the tables,sadly... 3-0.
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On October 03 2010 07:51 Zzoram wrote:
I'd like to see SeleCT play Fruit.
Fruit would just completely annihilate him.
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I guess it's too bad that Select has the Korean blood advantage over him then.
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gotta say, djWHEAT is a master of promotion
good work
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Lalush should take a lesson from off-race Sjow on creep spread. Did you see his insane creep spread in his matches?
Select played very well, but the first couple of matches must have been very disheartening for Lalush. He handled most of Select's harassment very well and he still was behind. It's so hard to get ahead as zerg unless you are a superman like Fruitdealer.
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Gotta say Select played really impressive. Winning his second TL Open is pretty cool as well hats off to him. Thanks everyone for watching and everyone for helping out with the tournament!
Many more to come.
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On October 03 2010 07:53 UnholyRai wrote:Fruit would just completely annihilate him.
I dont think so. Select has sick hellion/medivac controll, and fruitdealer hasnt had to deal with that in GSL...
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grats select on defending his title!
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SeleCT showed some awesome and quick unit control, never missing a beat with his stutter micro or hellions.
And on scrap station, when you meet 4 hellions in the middle of the map you should know what's coming up next and that your roaches should move back to your mineral lines instead of the terran wall.
EDIT: Just read on wikipedia that SeleCT won the WCG in dawn of war of all things. Twice even.
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On October 03 2010 07:50 Senx wrote:
Lalush is a very impatient zerg that likes to throw away any advantage he gets, then when the Terran comes back he blames imbalance.
Not trying to flame him, Im just stating his general tendency in threads on TL and inside the game.
lol what? Sorry, LaLush doesn't have replay maphack to help him fully assess whether he has an advantage or not. I'm pretty sure that when he was banking on his mutas coming out and he gets his spire sniped in half a second by marauders that he doesn't feel in control.
My opinion is that hydras would have done very well instead of 6 extra infestors. I know TL thinks they are worthless in ZvT right now, but I'm pretty sure that's all it would have taken.
I am not sure why LaLush loves roaches so much. Seems speedlings would help him a lot more.
As to his final comment; whatever. I'm not sure exactly why terran has so many fast, hard hitting harass units. Seems like zerg would be the race of choice for those attributes seeing that T has so many spells/defensive abilities.
Kind of boring finals to watch. Maybe LaLush would have handled that harass better with speedlings and a couple crawlers.
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On October 03 2010 07:58 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 07:53 UnholyRai wrote:On October 03 2010 07:51 Zzoram wrote:
I'd like to see SeleCT play Fruit. Fruit would just completely annihilate him. I dont think so. Select has sick hellion/medivac controll, and fruitdealer hasnt had to deal with that in GSL...
I somehow have a feeling that Fruitdealer has a plan if he sees hellions.
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bleh, i should just switch to toss or something
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On October 03 2010 07:58 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 07:53 UnholyRai wrote:On October 03 2010 07:51 Zzoram wrote:
I'd like to see SeleCT play Fruit. Fruit would just completely annihilate him. I dont think so. Select has sick hellion/medivac controll, and fruitdealer hasnt had to deal with that in GSL...
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Congrats Select
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Shame that SjoW didnt win the offrace battle, would have loved two swedes in the final of a NA tourney =)
But grats to Select, some very nice play there.
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has the replay pack been released?
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I'm really sad Nony didn't realize it was bo3
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Impressive. SeleCT wins BOTH TLOpens.
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it sucks so much other stuff going on between wcg and gsl, that I missed watching this entirely, congrats to Select
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another terran wins
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On October 03 2010 21:41 alkampfer wrote:another terran wins
Nope it was the same Terran as last time
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So where are the replays posted ???
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Oh now I see them. sorry
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