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SlothOnPCP
Profile Joined August 2010
193 Posts
September 24 2010 12:06 GMT
#1601
On September 24 2010 21:03 fearus wrote:
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On September 24 2010 21:02 wxwx wrote:
On September 24 2010 20:58 sleepingdog wrote:
does anybody else think that this could actually change how PvP is played? I mean the first void ray comes out infintely faster than the first colossus and even then one void ray charged up takes out a colossus pretty quickly


only on some maps. delta has many destructible rocks, and is also a bad map for colossus


That and fast dts would hard counter it.

PvP right now fast DT is gamble. No way its a hard counter to anything.
"I think SlothOnPCP is a pretty cool guy. eh kills noobs and doesn’t afraid of anything…"
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 24 2010 12:07 GMT
#1602
On September 24 2010 21:06 SlothOnPCP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 21:03 fearus wrote:
On September 24 2010 21:02 wxwx wrote:
On September 24 2010 20:58 sleepingdog wrote:
does anybody else think that this could actually change how PvP is played? I mean the first void ray comes out infintely faster than the first colossus and even then one void ray charged up takes out a colossus pretty quickly


only on some maps. delta has many destructible rocks, and is also a bad map for colossus


That and fast dts would hard counter it.

PvP right now fast DT is gamble. No way its a hard counter to anything.

Wins right away vs Voidray = hard counter I believe
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
September 24 2010 12:08 GMT
#1603
On September 24 2010 21:02 SlothOnPCP wrote:
but you generally get a obs before the colossus, change from colossus to full stalkers is not hard.


still it's one useless robotics - you can actually afford 3 gate production while producing void rays, so unless you go 4 gate straight up I will have the advantage for some time; also don't underestimate that you'll have already invested in a useless building

and people underestimate charging up on proxy pylons; or neutral buildings (mengsk on metalopolis; this is why everyone who is good destroys them)
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Zrah
Profile Joined July 2010
Lithuania55 Posts
September 24 2010 12:09 GMT
#1604
On September 24 2010 21:07 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 21:06 SlothOnPCP wrote:
On September 24 2010 21:03 fearus wrote:
On September 24 2010 21:02 wxwx wrote:
On September 24 2010 20:58 sleepingdog wrote:
does anybody else think that this could actually change how PvP is played? I mean the first void ray comes out infintely faster than the first colossus and even then one void ray charged up takes out a colossus pretty quickly


only on some maps. delta has many destructible rocks, and is also a bad map for colossus


That and fast dts would hard counter it.

PvP right now fast DT is gamble. No way its a hard counter to anything.

Wins right away vs Voidray = hard counter I believe


Fast DT just doesn't have enough stuff vs fast 3 gate starport. You need to cut so many corners to get fast dts it's insane. If he pushes when he just gets 3gate up you will loose a lot of probes in order to defend that.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 24 2010 12:09 GMT
#1605
On September 24 2010 21:08 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 21:02 SlothOnPCP wrote:
but you generally get a obs before the colossus, change from colossus to full stalkers is not hard.


still it's one useless robotics - you can actually afford 3 gate production while producing void rays, so unless you go 4 gate straight up I will have the advantage for some time; also don't underestimate that you'll have already invested in a useless building

and people underestimate charging up on proxy pylons; or neutral buildings (mengsk on metalopolis; this is why everyone who is good destroys them)

Can't really charge up on Mengsk because he has like 3 hp, I think they destroy it to prevent misclicks
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
pookychoo
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand96 Posts
September 24 2010 12:10 GMT
#1606
Some awesome games and good commentating today :D

glad i stayed on to watch
klauz619
Profile Joined July 2010
453 Posts
September 24 2010 12:11 GMT
#1607
On September 24 2010 21:03 crazeman wrote:
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On September 24 2010 21:01 BLinD-RawR wrote:
how was the Cool vs T.O.P games I missed them and the InCa games....


Cool vs TOP was easily the best series in the GSL so far and game 3 of the InCa series was absolutely sick. You definitely missed out on the best series/games of the night.



Ogstop was jut a macroing punching bag who didn't do anything, while fruitseller just made 20 ultras and stomped.

.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
September 24 2010 12:11 GMT
#1608
On September 24 2010 21:01 amorpheus wrote:
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On September 24 2010 21:00 .risingdragoon wrote:
Aight, I hope cool will catch a break and not get another terran next round.

he's playing inCa, not a terran but won't be easier

yea I just saw the brackets, then after inca it's terran again
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sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 12:13:33
September 24 2010 12:12 GMT
#1609
On September 24 2010 21:07 Shikyo wrote:
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On September 24 2010 21:06 SlothOnPCP wrote:
On September 24 2010 21:03 fearus wrote:
On September 24 2010 21:02 wxwx wrote:
On September 24 2010 20:58 sleepingdog wrote:
does anybody else think that this could actually change how PvP is played? I mean the first void ray comes out infintely faster than the first colossus and even then one void ray charged up takes out a colossus pretty quickly


only on some maps. delta has many destructible rocks, and is also a bad map for colossus


That and fast dts would hard counter it.

PvP right now fast DT is gamble. No way its a hard counter to anything.

Wins right away vs Voidray = hard counter I believe


lol fast DT certainly does NOT counter voidrays, wtf are you talking about? for fast DT you need a TC AND a shrine, both added together take ages to build;
if you wanna get a DT when I have my first void ray you'll have to go one gate into TC or something like that; also inca went 3 gate into stargate, if I scout an early TC of course I won't get a stargate

to be able to "counter" something you have to first SEE it and then also have the time to RESPOND before you die;
DT only work if you go for them completely blindly and get incredibly lucky

On September 24 2010 21:09 Shikyo wrote:
Can't really charge up on Mengsk because he has like 3 hp, I think they destroy it to prevent misclicks


you can't charge up but you can keep charge - at least that's what I've seen in a replay, but maybe they changed it?
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
crazeman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
664 Posts
September 24 2010 12:13 GMT
#1610
On September 24 2010 21:04 Grettin wrote:
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On September 24 2010 21:03 QkDown wrote:
camera was 200% better today


Yeah i said the same in Cool's third match. Tasteless doing hell a better job with the obsing than in the previous matches.



That's what $300 hour lesson from a professional korean (obs) camera operator does to you
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
September 24 2010 12:14 GMT
#1611
I can say that Cool got really lucky that TOP didn't abuse map. If only he made Thor/tank drops then I think it would be easy gg. Cool had no mutas/drops on time.

Anyway brilliant last game.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Bleb
Profile Joined August 2010
Croatia278 Posts
September 24 2010 12:15 GMT
#1612
awesome games today
In last 2 matchups I could never tell who's winning it : )
SlothOnPCP
Profile Joined August 2010
193 Posts
September 24 2010 12:17 GMT
#1613
On September 24 2010 21:07 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 21:06 SlothOnPCP wrote:
On September 24 2010 21:03 fearus wrote:
On September 24 2010 21:02 wxwx wrote:
On September 24 2010 20:58 sleepingdog wrote:
does anybody else think that this could actually change how PvP is played? I mean the first void ray comes out infintely faster than the first colossus and even then one void ray charged up takes out a colossus pretty quickly


only on some maps. delta has many destructible rocks, and is also a bad map for colossus


That and fast dts would hard counter it.

PvP right now fast DT is gamble. No way its a hard counter to anything.

Wins right away vs Voidray = hard counter I believe

Scout = lose , standard robo-build = lose , nice reaction with force-field on the ramp = lose, photon expo = lose. Gamble.
"I think SlothOnPCP is a pretty cool guy. eh kills noobs and doesn’t afraid of anything…"
wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
September 24 2010 12:19 GMT
#1614
On September 24 2010 21:02 sleepingdog wrote:
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On September 24 2010 20:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On September 24 2010 20:56 sleepingdog wrote:
On September 24 2010 20:56 Scorch wrote:
Why did sanZenith gg? Even with his attack repelled, he wasn't under pressure at all and even had more probes.


he had no expo - all inca had to do was transfer probes, outmass and roflstomp

in SC2 at lower probe counts your expo gives you no extra income, whereas it did in BW

I wouldn't be surprised if Zenith was near mined out


this is what I meant - both were nearly mined out, all inca had left to do was to bring his probes to his expo and prevent his opponent from throwing up an expo of his own; and sanzenith couldn't have afforded to save up the necessary extra minerals without dieing


it's never over til it's over. Boxer has made legends out of unwinnable games.
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
September 24 2010 12:24 GMT
#1615
Who did inca beat before ?
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Cool Cool
SlothOnPCP
Profile Joined August 2010
193 Posts
September 24 2010 12:26 GMT
#1616
On September 24 2010 21:08 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 21:02 SlothOnPCP wrote:
but you generally get a obs before the colossus, change from colossus to full stalkers is not hard.


still it's one useless robotics - you can actually afford 3 gate production while producing void rays, so unless you go 4 gate straight up I will have the advantage for some time; also don't underestimate that you'll have already invested in a useless building

and people underestimate charging up on proxy pylons; or neutral buildings (mengsk on metalopolis; this is why everyone who is good destroys them)


?

stalker + obs will have the advantage over a army without obs. Robo is never useless on PvP , especially when you have force-field to defend all-ins pushes.
"I think SlothOnPCP is a pretty cool guy. eh kills noobs and doesn’t afraid of anything…"
bronzeterran
Profile Joined September 2010
United States296 Posts
September 24 2010 12:28 GMT
#1617
Voidray battle was a thing of beauty
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
September 24 2010 12:30 GMT
#1618
Had to laugh when cool ran up to a PF with 4 ultras and all the SCVs instead of their normal gathering around the building for a big repair spree, they all hightailed it out of there immediately. This new ultralisk feature sure did help Cool win his matches.
here i am
GoooN
Profile Joined August 2010
217 Posts
September 24 2010 12:32 GMT
#1619
I tuned out after the first PvP not expecting this to come. Damn me..............
musthipa
Profile Joined September 2010
1 Post
September 24 2010 13:09 GMT
#1620
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