|
On September 24 2010 20:24 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 20:24 Sandster wrote:On September 24 2010 20:22 Shikyo wrote:On September 24 2010 20:11 Latham wrote:On September 24 2010 20:10 dcemuser wrote:On September 24 2010 20:09 CubEdIn wrote:On September 24 2010 20:08 Grettin wrote:On September 24 2010 20:07 CubEdIn wrote: I disagree. Thors will rape ultras easily. Especially with cannons. Really? ur seriously clueless. :D God job COOL! Not really, Top had enough thors to stun ALL ultras, but I guess he didn't have enough time or didn't have the upgrade. The stun doesn't work on Ultras, dude. Ultralisks are immune to 250mm cannons. That change was months ago. No. They are immune to the stun from the attack. They still take the 500 dmg up the ass from the attack. They take 499 dmg, leaving the Ultra at 1 hp. There's a 2sec startup and 2sec cooldown after the attack. Even if he had 250MMd 6 different ulras, he wouldn't have killed any. At best they'd be at 1hp, he couldn't finish them off. That's what the hellions are for, and he always had hellions (even if it was only a few). You mean the hellions that would die in the first 3 attacks of splash by the ultras
All they need to do is 1 point of damage..
|
omg oGsTOP is so bad. Cool didn't have any mutalisks, its a free ticket to abuse drops. MorroW is much better as a terran player.
|
On September 24 2010 20:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 20:13 Viruuus wrote: actually i just got a new theory the other terranplayers bribed TOP to play this shitty strategy, so cool would win and terran doesnt get the nerfbat. Maybe even blizzard is involved so they dont look as bad to the bad players who dont realize zerg is still uber underpowered, and only wins because TOP makes thors against mass ultras...
And just wtf unit should he make vs ultras then, especially when going mech? I think you need hellion meat shield tho, to give thors time to use their 250mm cannons. Maybe make a few Banshees once he sow the Ultra cavern? Looked like there was no mech solution vs ultras though.
|
On September 24 2010 20:26 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 20:24 NEcropath wrote:On September 24 2010 20:21 klauz619 wrote:On September 24 2010 20:19 NEcropath wrote: Would everyone stop trying to play down Cool's win and enjoy the fact that we all just saw what might turn out to be the most memorable game of GSL Season 1? The terran played like a buffoon, crippling zerg then doing nothing but make thors, then get smashed by a zerg hat has 2x the economy and unlimited ultras, which his first wave already could wipe out the entire map. It looked like the Terran build was early harass into Double Expand into Thor Mech push, which means he was relying on being able to put the Zerg on the defensive for the entire game. He probably wasn't expecting so many drops, which put HIM on the defensive and delayed his Thor timing push, allowing the situation you describe to happen. Top was trying to take major advantage of economy and failed because he went with an immobile army and Cool took advantage. Tell me I'm wrong? Thank freaking you. It's a specific strat that DIDN'T WORK ON COOL. Most other zergs would be going for all-in pushes after losing so many drones just to make up ground. Right! There's reason that Artosis and Tasteless were convinced the all in roach was the next move.
|
On September 24 2010 20:23 klauz619 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 20:21 Affluenza wrote:On September 24 2010 20:17 klauz619 wrote: did ogstop get paid to throw the game away on the third match?
What kind of terran afks for 15 mins, makes mass thors and gets outmatched 30 mins later when he decides to use 20 thors vs broodlords/ultras. What Broodlords? There was none! He had a greater spire. He just didn't need broods since 8 ultras just raped 20 thors.
It still doesn't make what you said correct as he TOP didn't lose to broodlords just Ultras...
p.s. people do make tech sometimes for quicker tech switching.
|
On September 24 2010 20:23 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 20:22 Fa1nT wrote:On September 24 2010 20:19 Shikyo wrote: "What was the purpose of the double Roach Warren" Seriously, the guy played one of the best ZvTs ever, do you have to be an asshole? Modded for saying this or not, he would not have won that against any other terran. TOP messed up so hard that it almost looked fake. You know what being nervous is? He wasn't nervous for the first 5 minutes when he was raping Cools economy in every was possible. he had what, 10 drones with hellions, 9 kills with a banshee... and what does he do?
Turtles and masses thors.
|
A question for gosus.
In the 3rd match, why is cool not making zerglings along with those ultralisks? If he make 2 groups of zerglings, it will be much easier to attack top's base along with ultralisk.
It seems he always makes ultralisk alone, not ultraling combo.
|
On September 24 2010 20:25 cyprin wrote: hey guys tasteless is on eg i'm not sure if you'd heard i think idra is too.
you mean idra and tasteless are on a gaming team called EG? why didnt I hear about this sooner?
|
On September 24 2010 20:23 ChickenLips wrote: I am very happy that Cool won ... but seriously? Best Series? He just stalled with some nice tactics and then a-moved ultralisks. I'm not impressed by that at all.
dude Cool was working so much harder than Top for that win, he was attacking in different spots all the times screwing with Tops mech positioning. Top did give away his early advantage, but Cool still played real hard to claw back the game with heaps of little gains containing the terran from getting too much map control
|
Why did we lose the cool graphics that came with the streetfighter voice?
|
On September 24 2010 20:23 Gudeldar wrote: LOL at all the noobs in this thread calling ogsTop a terrible player. Even pro players make mistakes some times, you've never played a game, lost and then watched the replay and smacked your forehead and thought "OMG why didn't I just attack". Dude if you're on Kulas horizontal positions and the opposing Zerg fast expands, it's very, very normal to just thor / tankdrop and kill him without resistance instead of macroing and throwing away all the map advantage.
|
Game 1 on Scrap Station sanZenith (P) Red at right oGsInCa (P) Blue at top.
Inca attempts an in base proxy, but his probe is spotted before he even starts a pylon.
|
|
On September 24 2010 20:15 Drazzzt wrote: But to be honest. It's hard to believe how much effort it took the zerg to finally win the game against an "okay" terran. But. He did it :-).
Top is one of the best terrans. This just shows your ignorance.
|
On September 24 2010 20:22 piloe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 20:20 phaded wrote:On September 24 2010 20:17 Grettin wrote:On September 24 2010 20:16 s1eger wrote: it was the best mtach ever! Haven't you seen TLO's game last round? Check that out and you'll change your mind! But tbh, this one one of the best matches easily. The debate might rage on for weeks about whether or not these games were better than TLOs match, but that was easily the best series. Beste series, don't know whether game 1 was better. 
I think game 1 was better, Top played well in that game and Cool suddenly pops out 15 ultras. Game 3 Top did so much damage with his harass and then backs off and goes into macro mode allowing Cool to tech to ultras.
|
On September 24 2010 20:20 Wunder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 20:19 Shikyo wrote: "What was the purpose of the double Roach Warren" Seriously, the guy played one of the best ZvTs ever, do you have to be an asshole? He's given the questions, it's not Artosis' fault. Why did he pick it? There is realy no reason at all why you would build a second roach warren on tier 1. Maybe there was no other question in which case he should have asked one of his own, they are always better and much smarter.
|
Top made the mistake of leaving Cool alone to do his thang for FAR too long. Poor play by Top but very nice to see a zerg go through.
|
On September 24 2010 20:27 hydraden wrote: A question for gosus.
In the 3rd match, why is cool not making zerglings along with those ultralisks? If he make 2 groups of zerglings, it will be much easier to attack top's base along with ultralisk.
It seems he always makes ultralisk alone, not ultraling combo.
he needs the larvae for ultras and ovs. making a few zerglings to attack alongside ultras that block them out anyways isn't gonna do anything.
|
Inca was going to proxy rax in base against san but san scouts it with a probe so inca goes back to normal play.
|
Absolutely fantastic play by Cool. I don't know if that LT allin was necessary, I would prefer LT instead of Kulas Ravine.
But anyway Ultralisks are looking incredibly good atm. That splash dmg is huuuge.
|
|
|
|