EPTCorruptors are only good against a-moving P's who overcommit to building collosus.
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
Corruptors are only good against a-moving P's who overcommit to building collosus. | ||
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wxwx
527 Posts
If you look at zenio's reaction after that defeat.. I cannot help but feel sorry for him.. but is that the face of someone who lost to imba? If I knew anything, that's the face of someone who knew he threw the game away.... | ||
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
On September 17 2010 23:59 Pinith wrote: Early on, he isolated and destroyed 5 zealots, and forced 3 cannons---thats 1000 minerals. I'm not sure how that is 'minimal'. From the cliff he got to destroy 2 of those cannons, a forge, some pylons, and the assimilator (twice). A siege tank drop that did the same thing would be considered a lot of damage. I'd also rate trapping a bunch of zealots outside of your base with a wall a bigger mistake than not spreading creep perfectly. It wasn't a hit to his economy and those zealots served their purpose which was to protect the gateway until he could secure cannons. I wouldn't called them trapped by the zerg, just cleaned up. P was forced to spawn zealots outside and they weren't wasted. After that P took a fairly early expo which put him in a good position and the zerg also 'leaked units' as both his nydus worms were sniped shortly after. Nydus worms aren't free either and neither are the units he lost in attempting to damage the P. Losing half your army killing almost nothing is a bigger mistake than losing a big chunk of your income momentarily as replenishing that many units in a short time is impossible while P was in constant production. You can't just compare the costs of lost units and structures to see who got the better end. In justfake vs Check, the Korea commentators were noting that Check was sacrificing his more mutas (in terms of cost) to kill less siege tanks because siege tanks were more vital to T than mutas for Z. | ||
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Philosophy
186 Posts
On September 18 2010 00:28 wxwx wrote: i was really shocked when a pretty small colossus army took on like 30 hydras and won.. but you zergs need to calm down, this doesn't mean imbalance. it's just a demonstration of hard counters. I'm sure you've seen a handful of ultras rape infinite stalkers, or a few hydras holding off a 4gate. If you look at zenio's reaction after that defeat.. I cannot help but feel sorry for him.. but is that the face of someone who lost to imba? If I knew anything, that's the face of someone who knew he threw the game away.... Few Hydras holding off 4 gate? I dunno if you have tested it, but hydras aren't cost effective vs stalkers..... Zerg simply is supposed to be the reactionary race, yet its the one with the least hard counters. | ||
SKtheAnathema
United States885 Posts
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CrazedManiac
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Rudiment
United States174 Posts
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wxwx
527 Posts
On September 18 2010 00:50 Philosophy wrote: Few Hydras holding off 4 gate? I dunno if you have tested it, but hydras aren't cost effective vs stalkers..... Zerg simply is supposed to be the reactionary race, yet its the one with the least hard counters. hydras are very cost effective vs. all gateway units as long as you match his numbers. I don't know what you're doing wrong. Maybe a-moving your army would help? no race can go with 1 build and win. All 3 races are reactionary. Just because you labelled yourself as the reactionary race doesn't mean you're entitled to anything. Play with what you have and just enjoy the game. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
spare us with the mouse - cat nonsense - itsa big bucks here ,if he could have won in the first 5 mins he could have done it Why u ever think is something wrong here ;p no chance vs a great terran ( which is the next game ) imo , good thing theyre rly few of them | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
I mean, if the zerg gets a critical number of brood-lords this hard-counters basicly everything protoss has on the ground, because nothing will get through the wall-of-broodlings - so what? colossi in a critical number are pretty hard to get and still the zerg would've had a great chance of winning if he hadn't suicided his hydras also calling phoenixes OP is ridiculous; the only thing the zerg has to do is sack an overloard for scouting and slowly outmacro the protoss while protecting his bases with hydras; phoenixes DO NOT have infinite energy, if you constantly harass each phoenix can pretty much do only one lift-off; and since they do by definition no damage vs ground 2 spore-crawlers at each expo are also huge; zergs have to use spore-crawlers more against phoenixes, I get the feeling that most are used to mutas and banshees owning static-defense when in critical numbers; that's obviously not the case with phoenixes | ||
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Dookie1
United States70 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
On September 18 2010 03:22 IPA wrote: Forgive my ignorance as I haven't been following GSL as closely as I would like -- is FruitSeller still in? Was he ever in? If not, who did he lose to? Its in m8 , heres the schedule http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Starcraft_II_Open_1/Main_Event . He face ogstop in next matchup | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On September 18 2010 02:52 Dookie1 wrote: check prime and tester representing the zerg Thats interesting. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 18 2010 02:32 wxwx wrote: hydras are very cost effective vs. all gateway units as long as you match his numbers. I don't know what you're doing wrong. Maybe a-moving your army would help? no race can go with 1 build and win. All 3 races are reactionary. Just because you labelled yourself as the reactionary race doesn't mean you're entitled to anything. Play with what you have and just enjoy the game. "as long as you match his numbers" if you do, you will have like 8 drones. Also, "all 3 races are reactionary". Terran can decide to do whatever he wants to do against Zerg and it's the Zerg who needs to deal with it. Z can't do anything like that against Terran. | ||
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Philosophy
186 Posts
On September 18 2010 02:32 wxwx wrote: hydras are very cost effective vs. all gateway units as long as you match his numbers. I don't know what you're doing wrong. Maybe a-moving your army would help? no race can go with 1 build and win. All 3 races are reactionary. Just because you labelled yourself as the reactionary race doesn't mean you're entitled to anything. Play with what you have and just enjoy the game. Hydra: 80 HP, 12 damage, 0,83 attack rate, 0 armor Stalker: 160 HP, 10 damage, 1,44 attack rate, 1 armor Notice how the stalker has twice the HP + armor while having more than half of the Hydras dps (because the hydras dps gets lowered considerably by that 1 armor). So no, Hydras are NOT cost effective vs Stalkers. The fact that stalkers have 6 range and high speed right away make it even worse. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On September 18 2010 00:11 Philosophy wrote: I don't even see how that justifies that Corruptors are worse than vikings. You pretty much expect Zerg to make 10000 corruptors vs Protoss, I tell you that it costs tons of gas, you say hes supposed to make cuts on his army then. Do you even know what "balance" means? Now you're juste making up things. Where did I compared vikings and corruptors ? I don't expect zerg to make any amount of corruptor vs toss. I just expect from any brained zerg player who is massing hydras and see colossus to stop hydras so he can have enough corruptors. I don't even know why you're making this issue a balance one where it just is a basic gameplay one. He sees colossus, he makes 20 more hydras. Doesn't makes sense to me. He started corruptors only when he realised that colossus are omgwtfbbqing his hydras, what a surprise. | ||
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
On September 18 2010 03:49 Philosophy wrote: Hydra: 80 HP, 12 damage, 0,83 attack rate, 0 armor Stalker: 160 HP, 10 damage, 1,44 attack rate, 1 armor Notice how the stalker has twice the HP + armor while having more than half of the Hydras dps (because the hydras dps gets lowered considerably by that 1 armor). So no, Hydras are NOT cost effective vs Stalkers. The fact that stalkers have 6 range and high speed right away make it even worse. Zerg units are not meant to be cost effective. What are we, Terran or protoss? | ||
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dopplex
United States36 Posts
On September 18 2010 02:39 st3roids wrote: Played a plat look alike terran and still had to control the whole map with 6 expansions to do it . spare us with the mouse - cat nonsense - itsa big bucks here ,if he could have won in the first 5 mins he could have done it Why u ever think is something wrong here ;p no chance vs a great terran ( which is the next game ) imo , good thing theyre rly few of them I think what Check was doing was actually a great example of that Day9 principle of the better player extending the game because it's a more certain win than trying to press a momentary advantage. "Kill an army? Expand!" Check could have pushed at a number of points where he could *probably* have won - but instead he chose to take more time, tech loads more, and take an easy win with far superior forces. | ||
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