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On September 17 2010 22:20 Philosophy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 21:05 MrCon wrote:On September 17 2010 19:16 Fa1nT wrote: It's amazing how much better Vikings are vs colossi than the unit that is supposed to hard counter them... Corruptors. I guess terrans are smarter than zerg on average too, cause they usualy make more than 3 vikings to kill 4+ colossus, which zenio didn't. Yes, because Spire tech and Corruptors dont cost much more gas than vikings and starport tech, right? Silly Zergs, should just make 20 corruptors with their infinite resources.
Are you IdrA ?!
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Saddest elimination for the tournament for me. NOOO ZENIO! T_T
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btw can i see the vods anywhere for free? i have no 20$ for some VoDs...i mean 5$ np but 20$ for one season? to much for me poor student
Cheering for Check and TLO now =)
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On September 17 2010 22:31 Gont wrote: btw can i see the vods anywhere for free? i have no 20$ for some VoDs...i mean 5$ np but 20$ for one season? to much for me poor student
Cheering for Check and TLO now =)
No free VoDs
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On September 17 2010 22:20 Philosophy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 21:05 MrCon wrote:On September 17 2010 19:16 Fa1nT wrote: It's amazing how much better Vikings are vs colossi than the unit that is supposed to hard counter them... Corruptors. I guess terrans are smarter than zerg on average too, cause they usualy make more than 3 vikings to kill 4+ colossus, which zenio didn't. Yes, because Spire tech and Corruptors dont cost much more gas than vikings and starport tech, right? Silly Zergs, should just make 20 corruptors with their infinite resources. lol wow :D Your post is so dishonest I don't even know where to begin my answer. He had ressources to make 1000000000000 hydras but he couldn't make more than 3 corruptors because of some terran magic power, HELL YEAH.
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On September 17 2010 22:31 Gont wrote: btw can i see the vods anywhere for free? i have no 20$ for some VoDs...i mean 5$ np but 20$ for one season? to much for me poor student
Cheering for Check and TLO now =) You can see the first set of each match on http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/vod/ for free. You just have to spend 2 minutes for signup.
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You guys should be less critical of the games considering it's 20/20 hindsight for us and it's an open tournament where the game quality is bound to be lower than invitationals. I've definitely noticed a significant increase in game quality with each round.
Zenio played bad vs HongUn. He didn't hold on to his advantage. PvZ imbalance doesn't come in here... Besides Nexus sniping in SC2 is less devastating than in BW since it's more about unit quality than quantity. It's not like he had a HUGE lead.
justfake didn't play embarassingly bad as many people think. He was outclassed as pretty much everyone knows and considering that, he played to the best of his abilities. It's not like justfake gave away the win, Check earned it.
Likewise, ITR's game was pretty onesided but I'm happy that at least one side showed good play.
You guys have to keep in mind that GSL is a complettely open tournament with totally random grouping and a lot of these players have no experience with playing on air, which is huge. The big names only performing well because of pure skill? No, experience is a big factor as well.
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On September 17 2010 20:21 Roggay wrote: Check the best wc3 player of all time? I kinda doubt it, can someone confirm?
he definetely was in the top 5 top players of wc3. He was very consistent at wc3, have won many times against number one wc3 players.
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That planetary fortress snipe that Check did with the banelings was art! That terran made almost no attempt to harass though, what a turtle.
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I really felt like zenio got robbed in his first game
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His nydus play against such a high level opponent was awe-inspiring, and seeing those armies clash I wouldn't doubt that he was outmacroing his opponent as well, but it just goes to show how important and game breaking unit composition is for Zerg. :/ They get hard countered far worse than P or T. Aside from his unit composition he played brilliantly, and yea I felt bad seeing him lose that game too.
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On September 17 2010 21:09 SpavaM wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 21:08 figq wrote:Check has spoken.  I think IntoTheRainbow either has to sit very seriously to optimize his play, or he would have to rely on quite extreme cheese and allins with insane micro, if he wants to win. I'd rather bet on Check right now. He must exclude small 2-spawn maps though, or the reapers will torture his hopes. You do know that ITR is also a top player and this T was... terribad? Rainbow is godly, but if he practices more seriously than now. His play today was shaky even though he won 2-0. I'm not even sure he did significantly better than the opponent of Check. It's gonna be close though, because Rainbow can harass so well, even when he is behind.
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To be fair, Zenio only denied gas and did minimal unit damage. Then he suicided a big chunk of his army infrot of P's base without spreading creeps. Looking at it from an objective view, P made few, non major mistakes while Z fucked up majorly losing the advantage he was holding on to.
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I am a bit curious about why so many people voted for the Check matches to be "recommended". Sure they are rare Zerg matches, BUT they are also pretty one-sided because the Terran opponent made the one mistake that will always kill you in a match against a Zerg: leaving him unharrassed for longer than 5 minutes. I enjoyed the two matches, but it was clear pretty much from the beginning who would win.
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I expect the seeding to get better for the next tournament so we don't have all these uneven brackets.
It's so rare to see situations where hydras are really viable, especially in large numbers. I would be thrilled if they were usable somehow, but unfortunately I just haven't seen any work. Props to Zenio for doing his own thing, but it just seems muta is the only way to go.
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On September 17 2010 23:40 Heen wrote: To be fair, Zenio only denied gas and did minimal unit damage. Then he suicided a big chunk of his army infrot of P's base without spreading creeps. Looking at it from an objective view, P made few, non major mistakes while Z fucked up majorly losing the advantage he was holding on to. hey someone make a protoss motivator where losing a nexus while having only 5 mining patches at your expo is not a major mistake.
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On September 17 2010 20:55 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 20:54 T.O.P. wrote: Wow banelings on Planetary Fortress. I should do that more often. No you shouldn't. Check did it because he was SO far ahead already He probably used 700-1000 gas in banelings, which might not have even killed it if the PF focused on them and splashed them. He used around 20 Banes to kill that which is around 500 gas and 1000 minerals.
I think it's not so bad for removing a mining base
EDIT: Baneling nydus or drops on islands with PF/turrets might be strong
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On September 17 2010 23:40 Heen wrote: To be fair, Zenio only denied gas and did minimal unit damage. Then he suicided a big chunk of his army infrot of P's base without spreading creeps. Looking at it from an objective view, P made few, non major mistakes while Z fucked up majorly losing the advantage he was holding on to.
Early on, he isolated and destroyed 5 zealots, and forced 3 cannons---thats 1000 minerals. I'm not sure how that is 'minimal'. From the cliff he got to destroy 2 of those cannons, a forge, some pylons, and the assimilator (twice). A siege tank drop that did the same thing would be considered a lot of damage.
I'd also rate trapping a bunch of zealots outside of your base with a wall a bigger mistake than not spreading creep perfectly.
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On September 17 2010 23:58 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 20:55 Fa1nT wrote:On September 17 2010 20:54 T.O.P. wrote: Wow banelings on Planetary Fortress. I should do that more often. No you shouldn't. Check did it because he was SO far ahead already He probably used 700-1000 gas in banelings, which might not have even killed it if the PF focused on them and splashed them. He used around 20 Banes to kill that which is around 500 gas and 1000 minerals. I think it's not so bad for removing a mining base EDIT: Baneling nydus or drops on islands with PF/turrets might be strong i'd advise against it anyway, most terrans past 800 pts will have a few siege tanks there^_^
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On September 17 2010 22:50 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 22:20 Philosophy wrote:On September 17 2010 21:05 MrCon wrote:On September 17 2010 19:16 Fa1nT wrote: It's amazing how much better Vikings are vs colossi than the unit that is supposed to hard counter them... Corruptors. I guess terrans are smarter than zerg on average too, cause they usualy make more than 3 vikings to kill 4+ colossus, which zenio didn't. Yes, because Spire tech and Corruptors dont cost much more gas than vikings and starport tech, right? Silly Zergs, should just make 20 corruptors with their infinite resources. lol wow :D Your post is so dishonest I don't even know where to begin my answer. He had ressources to make 1000000000000 hydras but he couldn't make more than 3 corruptors because of some terran magic power, HELL YEAH.
I don't even see how that justifies that Corruptors are worse than vikings. You pretty much expect Zerg to make 10000 corruptors vs Protoss, I tell you that it costs tons of gas, you say hes supposed to make cuts on his army then. Do you even know what "balance" means?
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