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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/GSL/gsl_banner_mod.png) Banner by pachiSeptember 14th, 2010 18:00 KST (Tuesday, Sep 14 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00))
Schedule![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.png) Bleach < Steppes of War > Ssoja Bleach < Metalopolis > Ssoja Bleach < Lost Temple > Ssoja ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png) Zenio < Kulas Ravine > ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png) Myth Zenio < Delta Quadrant > Myth Zenio < Desert Oasis > Myth Sopia < Xel’Naga Caverns > Ensnare Sopia < Scrap Station > Ensnare Sopia < Delta Quadrant > Ensnare HongUn < Xel’Naga Caverns > Cezanne HongUn < Desert Oasis > Cezanne HongUn < Metalopolis > Cezanne + Show Spoiler [Results] ++ Show Spoiler [Recommended Games] + HongUn vs Cezanne
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Excited to see how Myth will go considering he was a pretty cool Human in WC3.
Hopefully not the epitome of abusive Terrans.
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Guide tiem!
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1. Go to http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/live/
2. Log in to your GOMTV account. You must do this now.
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5. Take the part from avis://GOMsIP up to the apostrophe (but not the apostrophe)
6. Replace the avis:// with http://
(Your link should now look like http://GOMsIPAddress:8900/view.cgi?hid=1&cid=21&nid=900&uno=14147&&title=TG-IntelSTARCRAFTIIOpenSeason1&key=ThisIsMyUniqueUserKey)
7. Open VLC Media Player
8. Press Crtl+N.
9. Paste your link in the window.
GreaseMonkey Script
Additionally, ORLY on the TL.net forums here wrote a very awesome script for the Firefox addon called GreaseMonkey. Just download GreaseMonkey, and then go to http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/85762 and install the script.
Now, whenever you go to GOM's live page and are signed into your account, there will be stream links you can copy and paste.
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great expectations for game 2 and 3
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watching now! 
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On September 14 2010 18:10 GTR wrote:
Excited to see how Myth will go considering he was a pretty cool Human in WC3.
Hopefully not the epitome of abusive Terrans.
I hope he loses
need more zergs in the ro32
:p
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So first thing... Artosis' hair what's up with that?
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Kind of hoping for a miracle of 2 more Zergs making it through.
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a nice PvP to get things going
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Fingers crossed for Zerg!
Today is the calm before the storm though, ro32 tomorrow, go idra!
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Hell yeah PvP action! Let's see the colossi war
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That's not metalopolis 
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First up is a pvp which is actually my favorite mirror match-up. Hope to see a few interesting games, But I'm looking forward to series 2 amd 3, those should hopefully be pretty epic
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Haha, I doubt Ensare's opponent has much of a chance but.. let's see if we can get a upset! Z fighting!!!
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The panda bear guy, lol. The the panda bear mutant more like.
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Predictions:
Bleach 2-1 over Ssoja
Zenio 2-1 over Myth
Ensnare 2-0 over Sopia
Cezanne 2-1 over HongUn
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Both 2-gating, map: steppes of war.
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So ro16 is what is needed to get into some serious money?
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Bleach robo -- Has observer out, going colossus
Ssoja 4 gate --- Expoing
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Ssoja 4 gate into expand, starting robo, bleach 3 gate robo, building bay.
Bleach getting range now, ssoja council, blink. Bleach going for a timing probably after another colossus?
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Bleach -- Still one base, second colossus coming out. Killed off Ssoja's observer
Excellent colossus micro by bleach, big battle. Bleach coming out on top.
Ssoja -- Expo up, researching blink.
Tried to blink to kill colossus, didn't work. Not enough units.
Tasteless - Ssoja just got Bleached.
GG Bleach 1-0
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"He got bleached".
Yeah, didn't see that one coming. :p
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I played basically that exact same game earlier tonight
except it was on lost temple
D:
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Pretty boring game. Bleach just techs up on 3gate robo, moves out with 2 collosus and a proxy plyon. Pretty much a+moves over Soja's stuff. GG.
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Game 2: Metal
Bleach at 6 red
Ssoja at 12 green.
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Game 2 -
Bleach spawning at the 6 oclock,
Ssoja spawning at the 12 oclock,
Far positions
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Looking for an oGs clean sweep today, Zenio, Ensnare and Cezanne.
Also, apparently this Protoss still has to learn that Collosus > anything that is not Collosus in PvP, including econ advantage and army size disparity =/
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The collosus control was nice. It baited Ssoja into blinking.
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I'm also not a huge fan of PvP  . I'm looking really forward to the final match with Cezanne though ^^. ZvP is my favourite matchup both to watch and play at the moment.
That said, "he got bleached!" :D
BLICHI!
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few ppl today
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Can't wait for Ensnare :>
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On September 14 2010 18:24 FuRong wrote:
Looking for an oGs clean sweep today, Zenio, Ensnare and Cezanne.
Also, apparently this Protoss still has to learn that Collosus > anything that is not Collosus in PvP, including econ advantage and army size disparity =/
Well, anything on ground ^^ I think he actually could have tried Void Rays or something if he had scouted... another problem he had, he didn't scout at all after the first probe got killed.
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Tasteless is not that bad as a obs now. (or as bad)
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Both 1 gate core. Soja 2nd gate quickly with no 2nd gas. Bleach 2nd gas earlier and quick robo on 1 gate.
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On September 14 2010 18:26 drp223 wrote:
Tasteless is not that bad as a obs now. (or as bad)
Oh they switched back from Artosis from yesterday?
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Bleach still 1 gate, no tech... oh okay Robo.
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ssoja attacks bleach with 3 stalkers and 1 zealot, bleach only has 2 stalkers and 1 zealot. Bleach deals with it quite badly and loses all his defense and a bunch of probes. Ssoja expands off of it.
Bleach expanding himself now, trying to catch up, making colossus + range up. Ssoja council again.
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Wow, how did he get so many stalkers..
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bleach expanding as well.
lol @ running legs
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i hope we see this game be like sc1 pvp... mass zeal/stalker/storm/colossus.
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Ssoja moving out, researching charge!
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Anyone else notice how Artosis and Tasteless are extremely good today so far? I guess they're reading the criticism threads closely.
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3 Colossi out, ssoja trying to kill the nexus but not working, too much damage from colossi.
Bleach going up to 2 robo, ssoja taking a 3rd base.
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nice blink from ssoja, bleach having trouble
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Anyone else feel like ssoja should have gone for stargate?
edit:Guess didn't need it :D.
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I think he did just fine. :p Bleach gg-ed
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Ssoja goes back to fight at bleach's expansion, chases the colossi down behind the mineral line with 2 successive blinks while warping in reinforcements.
Too many units for bleach to handle, GG. 1-1.
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I think Bleach could have saved game 2 if he microed his colossus better...
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observing has gotten a lot better
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Korean PvP is not impressing me.
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GG - Ssoja won because he took down the Mengsk statue before Bleach. T_T
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1-1, much more interesting second game :D
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Game 3 LT
Bleach at 9
Ssoja at 6
Air spawn.
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Dang Starcraft II graphics made it really hard to tell what was going on in that battle until the end.
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Interesting, 6gate beats 2gate + robo o_O
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On September 14 2010 18:37 FearDarkness wrote:
Dang Starcraft II graphics made it really hard to tell what was going on in that battle until the end.
Yeh well TeamColor + super low quality stream = mess
We need to sneak TheGunrun over there :D
He'll be like:"Check diz quality". And everyone will worship him.
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Man this Ssoja guy really likes his gateway units.
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Commentating and observing is definitely getting alot better. Tastless is starting to get back in his groove again.
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On September 14 2010 18:37 Shikyo wrote:
Interesting, 6gate beats 2gate + robo o_O
I think the 2gate pressure vs 1gate robo opening made a big difference. =P
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Same builds as last game so far. Ssoja with quick 2nd gate after core again.
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On September 14 2010 18:39 phungus420 wrote:
Commentating and observing is definitely getting alot better. Tastless is starting to get back in his groove again.
Now if only we could get him to use the Production tab...
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On September 14 2010 18:24 FuRong wrote:
Also, apparently this Protoss still has to learn that Collosus > anything that is not Collosus in PvP, including econ advantage and army size disparity =/
actually I've seen a game recently, where one player went for 3 gate into expansion into 6 gate, pressured his teching opponent and then switched to 2 robo immortals
pretty amazing how blink + immortals
in the last game you could also see that econ advantage still matters when you keep colossi-numbers low so they don't kinda instal-kill stalkers
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On September 14 2010 18:27 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 18:26 drp223 wrote:
Tasteless is not that bad as a obs now. (or as bad) Oh they switched back from Artosis from yesterday?
ya they did it was a mistake.
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Ssoja coming with the 3 stalker 1 zealot push again. Bleach has a sentry this time though and totally negates it, killing the zealot. Ssoja starts his expo again. Everything is the same timing as last game except the quicker sentry by bleach.
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On September 14 2010 18:10 dcemuser wrote:
Guide tiem!
I love you.
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For game 3 I call Ssoja he seems sharper. Its shows in his play. sniping that probe and even when he was scouted he saw the other probe and changed his scouting location and got the earlier info.
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On September 14 2010 18:40 drp223 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 18:27 Shikyo wrote:On September 14 2010 18:26 drp223 wrote:
Tasteless is not that bad as a obs now. (or as bad) Oh they switched back from Artosis from yesterday? ya they did it was a mistake.
Artosis obsed only few games. But yea Tasteless is quite ok, not the best but getting better
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I'm surprised that Bleach lost that probe to Ssoja's Zealot =/. Like Artosis said, that's not supposed to happen.
Maybe these two guys are feeling the pressure more than Artosis and Tasteless realise, or maybe Bleach and Ssoja just aren't very good . I haven't seen enough PvP to know what good PvP looks like, but I'm not a huge fan of mirror matchups in general.
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Bleach getting range and going for a timing attack again. Ssoja adding up to 5/6 gates I think, getting zealot speed.
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Both players doing hte same strategies again, seems to be the battle of stubborn protoss at the moment. SSoja's early attack didnt really do anything because of a nice forcefield on his ramp.
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enjoying their casting alot, I thought tasteless was awful first day but now he's real good
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i hope ensnare loses. always see him cheese with proxy rax
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Ssoja has no answer for Bleach's timing attack, zealot speed does nothing, doesn't help kill colossi at all.
GG.
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On September 14 2010 18:15 Cade wrote:
Predictions:
Bleach 2-1 over Ssoja
1-0 so far.
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That set wasn't that exciting
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SSoja runs right into a well positioned army of Bleaches with zealots in front an immortal and two thermal lance Colossus. All he had was chargelots and stalkers. He got steamrolled GG Bleach 2-1
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Yeah that PvP doesn't seem very impressive. Dumb expo build, and a standard 2 gate robo colossus push
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Nice build by Bleach, but I wonder what else can he do.
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On September 14 2010 18:46 Kcat wrote:That set wasn't that exciting
I am always entertained by PvP, not sure why. Much better than the other mirrors for me even though P isn't my race.
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OK, time to get more zergs into the ro32.
Zenio fighting!
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what is this ? not really good in my opionnen
1 base colussus all the way - very booring
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Artosis' prediction was spot on haha . It's just kinda odd that these players did almost the exact same thing each match, I'm surprised that they didn't mix it up more. I was expecting a more drastic shift in strategy rather than subtly adjusting their builds vs each other .
I have to say that it wasn't terribly exciting. BUT, now we have ZvTs and a ZvP with Cezanne! Gonna be lots of Zergy goodness .
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Reaper Terran? I wonder if it's the Morrow-style 1-3-5rax CC or if it's another variation O_o If he does it as well as Morrow does I don't think the Zerg has any chance.
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just gateway can't fight colossi when the armies are big....strange choice from ssoja not going for an early attack to trade forces to clear the ground for zealots
edit: actually I expected one of the players to proxy 10 gates, considering that nobody went for early two gates in any of the previous matches
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really dumb by soja, if he went colossus in any of those games with the advantages he had he would have won easily, but instead he went dumb techs on gateway units and barely won the 2nd game ONLY because he did econ dmg in early game
if he went colossus instead he would have destroyed him instead of barely winning, don't know what he was thinking
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On September 14 2010 18:48 Special Endrey wrote:
what is this ? not really good in my opionnen
1 base colussus all the way - very booring
Would you have preferred a 4 gate fest.
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In PvP most players seem to stick to a build that they like for a best of 3 match. Not too surprising to see the same thing every game imo, the 1 base colossus is pretty strong if you can hold off early pressure really puts the pressure on your opponent to break you or else you basically just win.
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casters are getting better. they had some info about the players, are not showing some silly things like critters. I think that tasteless not having to be the observer made a huge difference.
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Is the Gom TV sound, i.e. the music and the Korean guy saying the players names *not* the Artosis/Tasteless casting sound, coming in through only 1 channel for anyone else? The other channel seems to be some pretty awful static for me...
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Come on Artosis, pick better questions!! (Like mine!!!)
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haha, that was a nice interview. I like bleach :p
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Not getting Collosus in a PvP? Seems kinda strange to me, especially if you know your opponent is going Collosus, moreover, getting charge and not blink?
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On September 14 2010 18:49 ilbh wrote:
casters are getting better. they had some info about the players, are not showing some silly things like critters. I think that tasteless not having to be the observer made a huge difference. tasteless is the observer
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Now, three more Z in the Ro32 please.
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On September 14 2010 18:49 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 18:48 Special Endrey wrote:
what is this ? not really good in my opionnen
1 base colussus all the way - very booring Would you have preferred a 4 gate fest.
This was interesting to see, even though maybe only for once. Seems like a few seconds timing difference on the sentry makes the difference between a win or a loss. That's something to say for refined BO's
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That dude is so happy. lol
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First time watching the GSL, are the interviews all this awkward? :p
Bleach seemed like a nice enough guy, but I don't think he looked up once during that whole interview.
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lol Bleach is so happy to be interviewed, that's cool
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On September 14 2010 18:52 gozima wrote:
That dude is so happy. lol
haha yeah that's nice to see =)
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*prays a zerg actually beats a terran*
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Hahah - Bleach looks kinda creepy . It looks as though he's looking directly at the camera, and that smile on his face! But yeah, he seemed really happy to be there ^^.
I also agree that the casting is getting better. I think Artosis and Tasteless are both feeling a lot more comfortable, and their casting sounds a lot more relaxed and fluid .
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i liked that little dudes interview, he was obviously pumped he made it
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This was one of the less awkward interviews so far. Not kidding.
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On September 14 2010 18:53 kmkg wrote:
This was one of the less awkward interviews so far. Not kidding.
haha oh dear
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On September 14 2010 18:53 kmkg wrote:
This was one of the less awkward interviews so far. Not kidding.
Hard to beat the why did you proxy barracks twice in a row interview yesterday man.
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On September 14 2010 18:52 Orome wrote:
First time watching the GSL, are the interviews all this awkward? :p
Bleach seemed like a nice enough guy, but I don't think he looked up once during that whole interview.
The pure definition of awkward is the DAVIT interview. Go find it and brace yourself.
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That interview was a nice change from yesterday with the cheeser terran.
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I hope at least one of these Zerg moves on.
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On September 14 2010 18:53 Fa1nT wrote:
*prays a zerg actually beats a terran*
zenio really should win - then again I thought this also from jangminchul, escjung and nexgenius.....
edit: this is not an imba-wine, it seems like nerves are really playing a huge role for the "favorites"
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On September 14 2010 18:53 Fa1nT wrote:
*prays a zerg actually beats a terran*
I will be doing the same thing. But seeing as how the first map is Kulas an the second DQ, I'm thinking it could be a tough fight
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imagine if all 3 zerg advanced?
and hopefully not just all end up in ZvZ matchup next round ofc
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You guys have to remeber that's is actually logic to play the same cuz their familiar with their builds and they worked for both....I probably wouldn't change my strategy, too.....but Void Rays would totally destroyed this colossi build cuz he hadn#t many stalkers or Sentrys....
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"So many people in Prime, you can divide that stuff by 2 - it ain't prime" - Artosis jokes (tm)
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why does tasteless fail to pronounce "zenio"
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On September 14 2010 18:55 Pennoyer wrote:
I hope at least one of these Zerg moves on.
SOLO ZEN MASTER IN THE BUILDING!
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Zenio has Spock hairstyle .
By the way, it said that Artosis was the commentator and Tasteless was the caster - what's the difference though?
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On September 14 2010 18:57 z00t wrote:Zenio has Spock hairstyle . By the way, it said that Artosis was the commentator and Tasteless was the caster - what's the difference though?
in korea the 'caster' is the person who does the mc'ing. the 'commentator' is the color commentator.
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First map Kulas Ravine.. o u c h
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On September 14 2010 18:57 gozima wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 18:55 Pennoyer wrote:
I hope at least one of these Zerg moves on. SOLO ZEN MASTER IN THE BUILDING!
ermm so? he's a worker rusher. not worthy of the title.
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desert oasis and kulas ravine
poor zerg ;-;
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What is he saying? Zenoo? Anyways Zenio is really good seen a decent amount of replays from him would really be surprised if he loses.
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Zenio didn't vote Kulas out? :O
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On September 14 2010 18:59 elle05 wrote:
Zenio didn't vote Kulas out? :O
He voted steppes and LT.
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On September 14 2010 18:58 cyprin wrote:
desert oasis and kulas ravine
poor zerg ;-;
DO ain't the worst map for a z
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This is really really fun to watch even if the games aren't that high quality. Everything's so new and fresh. Really looking forward to seeing Zenio play, I watched like every tournament replay of him during the beta, really solid Zerg, but I've been gone for over 2 months so it'll be interesting to see his play and ZvT in general has developed since.
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seems like unlucky maps for zenio
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wow hard maps for Zenio :S
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Game 1 Kulas
oGsZenio (Z) at top left
MythPrime (T) at bottom left
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How are these maps chosen after the players eliminate 2 each.
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rofl i dislike all of those maps very much vs terran.
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This map pool is pretty bad for Zenio, kulas DQ and DO are all pretty good for reapers vs a known reaper user.
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"thank you street fighter 4 voice"
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On September 14 2010 19:01 GetToDaChopa wrote:
How are these maps chosen after the players eliminate 2 each.
random I think.
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On September 14 2010 18:58 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
What is he saying? Zenoo? Anyways Zenio is really good seen a decent amount of replays from him would really be surprised if he loses.
Yeah? Don't think I've seen more than 1 or 2 games by him. Here is to hoping you are right!
On September 14 2010 18:59 ZapRoffo wrote:He voted steppes and LT.
I can understand that. If you can only vote down 2, you could probably always get screwed
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Man, I feel bad for Zenio . For Terran, picking the map is just a matter of picking your LEAST favourite maps - they may give you less options, but you won't auto-lose by playing on them.
With Zenio though, Steppes, Kulas, and Lost Temple are all maps where you could potentially lose outright, and he could only eliminate two.
Still, it'll be interesting to see if Zenio has a plan for Kulas Ravine. I saw some interesting play with Sen, where he got an expo, but didn't tech to Lair - he just straight-up Roach/Zerglinged his way to victory by breaking his way into the back of the Terran base. Let's see if Zenio does have a plan .
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lol kulas / delta quad / desert oasis?? these maps are horribad for zenio, expect him to get crushed 2-0.
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Tasteless - "My Mic is still on...."
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Zerg randomly got shafted
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anyone else just get static when the korean announcer says their names? (street fighter 4 voice)
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Zenio forgot to downvote Kulas or what?
Well downvoting steppes and LT makes sense too I guess.
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Speelings for Zenio, continues gas mining, baneling nest, which is spotted by scv.
Reaper + speed for Myth.
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I have no idea why zenio wouldn't remove kulas from the map pool, weird.
Maybe he's just baller like that?
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hp bars off, sad panda
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Lair tech for zenio, Myth is not actually walled at his front, but has his mineral line walled off on the non-gas side. Zenio not going for banes, yet at least, although they will be useful against bio later.
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On September 14 2010 19:04 gozima wrote:
I have no idea why zenio wouldn't remove kulas from the map pool, weird.
Maybe he's just baller like that?
Yeah steppes seems like a better map to be facing a known reaper user on than Kulas idk.
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Hm.. this one base muta may actually decimate the Terran.
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Okay, even one Reaper > Baneling bust... This game's pretty much over. I can't see a Baneling bust ever working against someone who's going for Reapers, so yeah looking forward to game 2. Oh, it's not a baneling bust. Good call, maybe he saw the Reapers.
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Spire is up, mutas coming out. Myth has 0 anti-air. Tasteless: "Someone call Ashton Kutcher, this guy is about to get punk'd"
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Yup, Zenio has this in the bag ;
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maybe he wants to psych that guy
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Artosis: You are so smart.
Tasteless: Thank you. You are so handsome.
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"someone call ashton kutcher because this kid is about to be punked"
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yay spire is going up, no anti air for terran
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This Reaper guy is way too passive, he could already have killed those Zerglings, the Queen, and the Spire if he even attacked and microed properly.
Morrow still is by far the best Reaper user I've seen, this guy isn't anywhere close.
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really, really smart play.
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Pretty nice mind games here from Zenio epsecially since he didnt cancel the baneling nest the reapers would have seen that there was no baneling nest and immediately gone for anti air.
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that terran played terribad.
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On September 14 2010 19:07 Shikyo wrote:
This Reaper guy is way too passive, he could already have killed those Zerglings, the Queen, and the Spire if he even attacked and microed properly.
Morrow still is by far the best Reaper user I've seen, this guy isn't anywhere close.
Yep, same thought.
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! no aa ))
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bwahahah
"Someone called Aston Kutcher, 'cause he's about to get punked!"
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2 factories, and he stopped(?) building the armory..
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Bad scouting from the terran and he did nothing with his reapers.
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T.O.P.
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Wow this terran is terrible. You see a lair, zerg on 1 base. What can a zerg do besides go 1 base muta?
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rofl what the hell? how couldn't myth have guessed him to go mutas after not expanding? Oo
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zvt on kulas in the GSL is now 2-0
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Nice mind games by Zenio. However, very poor play by Myth. Zerg 1 basing into lair... at least use an earlier scan to detect if your not going to send the reapers in.
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Did a Zerg just beat a Terran on Kulas? Are my eyes deceiving me?
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guess the Zerg player wanted to make a statement
"kulas? /care
WP :D
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Wow that was a pretty nice trick for the zerg player
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rofl the terran should shoot himself in the head right now...
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Tunnelvision at it finest...
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Can't wait for the inevitable "myth busted" pun.
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On September 14 2010 19:09 gozima wrote:
Did a Zerg just beat a Terran on Kulas? Are my eyes deceiving me?
Seriously. Amazing game by zerg.
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Poor play by Terran. Why he didn't put any pressure on zerg with reapers?
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quite unimpressed by the terran
what kind of baneling all-in was he thinking he's facing?
wtf?
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Game 2 on Delta
Zenio top left again
Myth bottom left again.
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I gotta say, I'm happy that Zenio won, but I feel kinda unsatisfied at the same time because single-base double-gas Zerg at Lair? Mythprime really should have known that Zenio was getting Muta just based on that.
Also, even if Zenio's build worked against a better Terran, it's still the kind of thing you can only do once. It's not a reliable build on that map.
I think that after what I've seen of Myth, Zenio's definitely going to take this match.
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Most Terrans probably don't expect to have to play that map vs. Zerg.
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lol a gold league terran would make have made turrets or marines
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Those ~5 speed upgrades reapers took down the rocks with style! Game MVP for sure.
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DQ another great reaper map... can jump in from the front or the back door...
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Ouch, terran fail :O
Loving the baneling nest if it was an intentional fakeout.
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what was the terran doing? no scans? lair tech and he didnt have any anti air? uhhhhmmmm what other one base double gas zerg strats are there?
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What other tech could be coming? Even I would have seen that coming... very poorly played by the T.
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On September 14 2010 19:09 T.O.P. wrote:
Wow this terran is terrible. You see a lair, zerg on 1 base. What can a zerg do besides go 1 base muta?
Infestors.
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On September 14 2010 19:11 iggyfisk wrote:
Those ~5 speed upgrades reapers took down the rocks with style! Game MVP for sure.
you're being too harsh iggy, they also tickled the queen a little
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Myth doesn't like the ramp wall in. Zenio goes for expo before gas, getting bunkered.
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On September 14 2010 19:07 Shikyo wrote:
This Reaper guy is way too passive, he could already have killed those Zerglings, the Queen, and the Spire if he even attacked and microed properly.
Morrow still is by far the best Reaper user I've seen, this guy isn't anywhere close.
The 13 y/o kid microes reapers better than morrow imho
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Maybe he felt sorry for the zerg and decided to spot him the first game.
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Terran choked, not even one marine whole game vs lair, no way he played 100% there
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6 reapers vs 12 lings and 1 queen.... what was the terran thinking?
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The sad thing is that Myth didn't even need to make anti-air, if he just pressured with his million Reapers he could have killed the spire before it was done -_- Those Reapers only needed 3 volleys.
Anyway I really don't like this kind of a half-assed 2 rax reaper build anyway, the 5rax one is much better imo. A lot more pressure and a much faster expansion.
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On September 14 2010 19:10 ohN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:09 gozima wrote:
Did a Zerg just beat a Terran on Kulas? Are my eyes deceiving me? Seriously. Amazing game by zerg.
Terrible game by terran in my opinion.
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he made two or three marines and started to build atleast 2 turrets at his expansion. the problem was that the mutas already were in his base...
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I don't understand why some Protoss and Terran players use open bases against Zerg. Totally perplexes me.
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On September 14 2010 19:11 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:09 T.O.P. wrote:
Wow this terran is terrible. You see a lair, zerg on 1 base. What can a zerg do besides go 1 base muta? Infestors.
One base infestor is hardly viable
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On September 14 2010 19:13 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:10 ohN wrote:On September 14 2010 19:09 gozima wrote:
Did a Zerg just beat a Terran on Kulas? Are my eyes deceiving me? Seriously. Amazing game by zerg. Terrible game by terran in my opinion.
you can only play what's in front of you. zenio had a strategy and he pulled it off so great play by him.
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Myth making 4th rax, speedlings researching now. Roach warren up, but marauders in construction too.
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On September 14 2010 19:14 Lefnui wrote:
I don't understand why some Protoss and Terran players use open bases against Zerg. Totally perplexes me.
He's making reapers, zerg can't punish him for not walling.
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On September 14 2010 19:14 ZataN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:11 Lefnui wrote:On September 14 2010 19:09 T.O.P. wrote:
Wow this terran is terrible. You see a lair, zerg on 1 base. What can a zerg do besides go 1 base muta? Infestors. One base infestor is hardly viable
It's unusual but I wouldn't say it isn't viable. Cool uses it very often, and I've seen a number of other Zerg players duplicate it. I'd compare it's strength to 1 base muta easily.
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On September 14 2010 19:14 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:14 Lefnui wrote:
I don't understand why some Protoss and Terran players use open bases against Zerg. Totally perplexes me. He's making reapers, zerg can't punish him for not walling.
Roach speed counterattack works pretty well forces him to pull reapers back. Seen a decent amount of that recently especialy with no wall that could work pretty well.
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On September 14 2010 19:14 ZataN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:11 Lefnui wrote:On September 14 2010 19:09 T.O.P. wrote:
Wow this terran is terrible. You see a lair, zerg on 1 base. What can a zerg do besides go 1 base muta? Infestors. One base infestor is hardly viable
That would die to the Reapers before the infestation pit is done. Well, he should have died here before the spire was done as well but..
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On September 14 2010 19:14 Lefnui wrote:
I don't understand why some Protoss and Terran players use open bases against Zerg. Totally perplexes me.
I think you have to do something kooky to justify it, which doesn't seem to be happening here. Especially if you're opening with Reapers.
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12 marauders, 6 reapers pushing to Zerg nat, stim and concussive done.
Zenio holds it off easily with about 12 roaches and a bunch of speedlings.
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On September 14 2010 19:13 Shikyo wrote:
The sad thing is that Myth didn't even need to make anti-air, if he just pressured with his million Reapers he could have killed the spire before it was done -_- Those Reapers only needed 3 volleys.
Anyway I really don't like this kind of a half-assed 2 rax reaper build anyway, the 5rax one is much better imo. A lot more pressure and a much faster expansion.
how could he kill the spire that was in the very back of the z base and the creep ?
He would have died to the gazillion lings, and he didn't even know about the spire anyway.
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i lol'd at artosis "this is how it works"
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That was like... like... watching a bus hit somebody, y'know...
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On September 14 2010 19:14 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:14 Lefnui wrote:
I don't understand why some Protoss and Terran players use open bases against Zerg. Totally perplexes me. He's making reapers, zerg can't punish him for not walling.
But then where's the advantage in doing it? It just allows the Zerg to scout you without having to sac an ovie.
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wow looks like zenio has got game 2...
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This terran is playing horribly
5 rax with techs can be supported off 1 base, why go 4?
Europe is definitely equal or better than Korea imho
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Myth is either very bad or nervous has hell. What did he hope to achieve by just stalling outside Zenios natural while he built up lings and crawlers to defend?
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Zenio droned a little bit too much and had to use drones to fight off a follow up push by myth, but appears to be safe now.
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Both forces dancing not engaging... waiting for hte fight to start going to hinge somewhat on micro by the terran. huge surround by the zerglings and zenio clears up the attacking force pretty easily. Looking really good for a 2-0 now.
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Well, this Terran is awful. Needs to watch some Morrow replays. This is so bad. 4 barracks Marauder when Morrow build has 5 barracks Marauder and an expansion at this point along with more Reaper harrass ... Sigh Okay okay, anyway terrible Terran.
Nice to see another Zerg... no wait, Marauder is OP. Still over though... or is it? LOL Marauderssss
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zenio is by far better than this terran.
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Wow terran just waited far too long.
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why so passive with those reapers from the start?!?
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On September 14 2010 19:18 Mato wrote:
Myth is either very bad or nervous has hell. What did he hope to achieve by just stalling outside Zenios natural while he built up lings and crawlers to defend?
Yeah, I'd assume he's very nervous. He was very good in Warcraft III and I've seen him play great games in SC2. This seems well below his level.
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On September 14 2010 19:18 dacthehork wrote:
This terran is playing horribly
5 rax with techs can be supported off 1 base, why go 4?
Europe is definitely equal or better than Korea imho
Not only that, you can get an expansion right after you start the 4th and 5th barracks xD This build just is awwwful
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On September 14 2010 19:19 Shikyo wrote:
Well, this Terran is awful. Needs to watch some Morrow replays. This is so bad. 4 barracks Marauder when Morrow build has 5 barracks Marauder and an expansion at this point along with more Reaper harrass ... Sigh Okay okay, anyway terrible Terran.
Nice to see another Zerg... no wait, Marauder is OP. Still over though... or is it? LOL Marauderssss
He's not playing the same style as Morrow.
Morrow went much heavier into reapers, that's why he was able to expand earlier.
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Very unimpressed with this Terran so far
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On September 14 2010 19:19 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:18 dacthehork wrote:
This terran is playing horribly
5 rax with techs can be supported off 1 base, why go 4?
Europe is definitely equal or better than Korea imho Not only that, you can get an expansion right after you start the 4th and 5th barracks xD This build just is awwwful
He switched to marauders earlier than Morrow did in the games people are referencing, which leaves you with less money.
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With all those comments from Europeans I sure hope we gonna get a mass migration of Europeans to gsl 2 :D
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On September 14 2010 19:18 ZataN wrote:
wow looks like zenio has got game 2...
i spoke too soon -_- thought that marauder/reaper attack was going to fail...
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Worst terran in the tournament so far.
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funny game:
first, terran attacks with marauders vs lings (?!)
then, zerg responds with banelings vs marauders (?!)
/i guess both expected the other one to switch first/
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Why doesn't he kite with his Marauders vs the Banelings? It's really not too difficult if they don't have a good surround. This Terran is so bad ---
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Why can't he get just ONE marine man. I want to claw my eyes out with taht free maphack that the overlord has.
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Man, I can't believe what I'm seeing from Zenio - able to get such an impressive army to deal with those Marauders/Reapers AND still having such a good number of Drones. Very, very SICK play!
But I'm disgusted that Terran can be so aggressive and still take an expansion =/. Terran actually looks ahead in econ now.
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typical war3 player. can only 1 base and plays the most abusive race.
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Just bought the HQ stream. I can see the numbers!
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On September 14 2010 19:20 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:19 Shikyo wrote:On September 14 2010 19:18 dacthehork wrote:
This terran is playing horribly
5 rax with techs can be supported off 1 base, why go 4?
Europe is definitely equal or better than Korea imho Not only that, you can get an expansion right after you start the 4th and 5th barracks xD This build just is awwwful He switched to marauders earlier than Morrow did in the games people are referencing, which leaves you with less money.
It was a horrible build both games, really sad knowing so many European players could own this tournament!
Morrow / etc head down to korea! His builds at IEM where so much better
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On September 14 2010 19:18 dacthehork wrote:
Europe is definitely equal or better than Korea imho
That's ridiculous. You can't make a judgement like that simply because this Terran is playing poorly. Wait until the Ro16 and you will see a level of skill far beyond any tournament held so far.
On September 14 2010 19:21 GTR wrote:
typical war3 player. can only 1 base and plays the most abusive race.
Isn't Zenio from Warcraft III also?
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Man wtf, Terran playing so poorly, how is this game going on for so long
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What does killing a techlab give if the rax is making marines?
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Many banelings (almost 50) outside Terran natural now. There is a funnel with an extra CC there.
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LOL TLO mind controls eggs? xD
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On September 14 2010 19:20 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:19 Shikyo wrote:On September 14 2010 19:18 dacthehork wrote:
This terran is playing horribly
5 rax with techs can be supported off 1 base, why go 4?
Europe is definitely equal or better than Korea imho Not only that, you can get an expansion right after you start the 4th and 5th barracks xD This build just is awwwful He switched to marauders earlier than Morrow did in the games people are referencing, which leaves you with less money.
Yeah I'm not sure which games people are referencing, but that's true. I'm not sure if this is better, though. The Morrow build gets about 2 sets of Reapers off 5 rax until it runs out of gas, then you can get 5 Marauders at once and transition... This build basically had 8 Marauders when Morrow would have had 5, and 6-8 Reapers when Morrow would have had 17-19.
Just a bad build, along with bad play =P
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On September 14 2010 19:22 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:18 dacthehork wrote:
Europe is definitely equal or better than Korea imho That's ridiculous. You can't make a judgement like that simply because this Terran is playing poorly. Wait until the Ro16 and you will see a level of skill far beyond any tournament held so far. Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:21 GTR wrote:
typical war3 player. can only 1 base and plays the most abusive race. Isn't Zenio from Warcraft III also?
zenio switched to bw in preparation for sc2, and got to a- on iccup (i believe).
YGosu: So that’s what it was, you did seem unusually good. How did you prepare exactly?
Zenio: It was about this time last year, so it’s been an entire year now. I heard around then that the Starcraft II beta was coming out, so I stopped playing Warcraft. At the time, I was actually practicing to be a Warcraft progamer. To be honest, it was really tough. I suffered so much because the bar was already set so high. But when I heard the Starcraft II beta was coming out, I thought about hard it had been for me so far, and I decided to make a clean cut from Warcraft and take a shot at Starcraft II.
And in order to prepare for that, I started to play Starcraft: Brood War from March of 2009. But I didn’t know how to play Starcraft. I started in public games on the Battle.net Asia server. Then I learned about the “op 345” channel. I practiced there for a while, and then my friend told me about ICCup. So I switched to ICCup and played there. I managed to get to A- in about three seasons.
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On September 14 2010 19:23 Misca wrote:What does killing a techlab give if the rax is making marines?
It puts pressure on him, makes him have to make more turrets drop money into static defense. Killing anything you can with mutas just puts pressure on him.
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Time for a lolling attack I think.
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I'm afraid those siege tanks are going to murder those banelings ;x
guess not
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Mass exploding banelings = "knocking over a can of peas"
lol
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On September 14 2010 19:24 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:22 Lefnui wrote:On September 14 2010 19:18 dacthehork wrote:
Europe is definitely equal or better than Korea imho That's ridiculous. You can't make a judgement like that simply because this Terran is playing poorly. Wait until the Ro16 and you will see a level of skill far beyond any tournament held so far. On September 14 2010 19:21 GTR wrote:
typical war3 player. can only 1 base and plays the most abusive race. Isn't Zenio from Warcraft III also? zenio switched to bw in preparation for sc2, and got to a- on iccup (i believe).
Just wanted to keep your dislike of Warcraft III players in check ^^;
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Zenio kills the CC with banelings, despite the fact that there are 2 other command centers right next to it. This is absurd.
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60 Banelings rofl...that was carnage on an unprecedented scale.
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lol banelings! good stuff
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ROFLMAO. Banelings kill every last unit of Myth's including a command center, 30 Marauders, and 5 siege tanks. They also tank all the damage from the tanks.
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LOLLINGS at their best need to get Cella in to commentate that attack lol.
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zenio plays great. only thing i miss is creep spread!!
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Haha, that Baneling play was so awesome :D
Even tho he just killed a CC while there were 2 left, he could have done anything with them and looked awesome :D
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On September 14 2010 19:21 GTR wrote:
typical war3 player. can only 1 base and plays the most abusive race.
Why the hate for a war3 player? I don't see you raging against Demuslim, hasuobs, madfrog, Checkprime as much why?
Zenio didn't make it big in war3 and switched to bw to play for sc2. So his "original" history belongs to war3 too.
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This Terran doesn't have any micro o_o like, omg he had 50 banelings, let's stim and a-move instead of kiting!
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THAT BANELING BUST WAS SO SICK
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Banelings are fun. Really really fun
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LMAO CC DEAD WITH BANELINGS
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Zenio takes it 2-0!
I thought that maybe he might have a difficult time due to the maps not being in his favor but extremely well played by him.
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cant believe he went for cc instead of scvs lol
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Wow. I need to use more banelings
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On September 14 2010 19:26 Hunted wrote:
Baneaggeden!
Couldn't have said it better. baneggeden indeed!
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Holy cow! That was truly amazing to watch.
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That was hilarious. Very entertaining game!
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cella would say ..: LOLLING ATTACKKKK!
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"They are like scarabs with minds!"
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Zenio is only #1 on the Korean ladder..
just saying
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They seriously needs to nerf banelings seriously they just ruin the game because of their imbalance. seriously.
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Hahahaa! The number of Banelings . That was ridiculous! I knew that Zenio was good, I've seen him play, but I'm still surprised at this guy's skill. And taking out that Orbital with Banelings? That is so badass!
GG!
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I actually rofl'ed when that guy threw down the scan and saw a thousand banelings.
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terrible amount of banelings indeed
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glad zenio won, myth was terrible
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Glad the better player won, the forum would've exploded if Myth managed to pull out a win despite being so obviously outclassed.
Here's hoping the rest of the games tonight are better than that :D
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On September 14 2010 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
This Terran doesn't have any micro o_o like, omg he had 50 banelings, let's stim and a-move instead of kiting!
where should he kite those 50 banelings?....
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I'm baffled. How did this terran qualify for the GSL. He's so bad.
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Baneling madness! I love the banelings haha so awesome.
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On September 14 2010 19:27 Plexa wrote:Zenio is only #1 on the Korean ladder.. just saying
I'm hoping this Terran isn't anywhere near top 50 <_>
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omg that was entertaining, and one more zerg qualified wooooooo!
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On September 14 2010 19:28 T.O.P. wrote:
I'm baffled. How did this terran qualify for the GSL. He's so bad.
It's called being nervous we've seen some good players choke under the pressure already.
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GG
Terran was so passive, his reapers were just sitting most of time...
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zenio outclassed his opponent by a HUGE margin. Whenever I see marauders just standing there and not moving an inch when a bunch of banelings roll in I can do nothing but shake my head... How did this Terran get to ro64?? Abysmal play by him.
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Ok so terran was shit, but man...I like Zenio's style. I want to see this guy up against TLO
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On September 14 2010 19:27 Plexa wrote:Zenio is only #1 on the Korean ladder.. just saying
that's what they said about jangminchul earlier.... 
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On September 14 2010 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
This Terran doesn't have any micro o_o like, omg he had 50 banelings, let's stim and a-move instead of kiting!
he was cornered
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On September 14 2010 19:28 T.O.P. wrote:
I'm baffled. How did this terran qualify for the GSL. He's so bad.
I didn't watch 1st game, but I saw lots of worser players. he was ok.
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On September 14 2010 19:28 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:27 Plexa wrote:Zenio is only #1 on the Korean ladder.. just saying I'm hoping this Terran isn't anywhere near top 50 <_>
While the Terran was bad, there were a few moments Zenio looked touchable T_T
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I love how they're like "I wonder how many banelings it takes to kill a command center" as if nobody would ever try it then a couple of minutes later bang there it goes.
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On September 14 2010 19:29 diehilde wrote:
zenio outclassed his opponent by a HUGE margin. Whenever I see marauders just standing there and not moving an inch when a bunch of banelings roll in I can do nothing but shake my head... How did this Terran get to ro64?? Abysmal play by him.
Easy bracket to top64?
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On September 14 2010 19:28 Tiny.pat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
This Terran doesn't have any micro o_o like, omg he had 50 banelings, let's stim and a-move instead of kiting! where should he kite those 50 banelings?....
You stim and kite with the marines and marauders, he could have went up his ramp to his base, he could have loaded his marauders into dropships and dropped them onto the banelings etc. What he really needed was a few more tanks though and the slightest bit of micro.
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This terran makes me sad. Come on, bring Morrow, Demuslim, BratOK,.... to korea!
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Myth was definetly not playing at his best... and Zenio is a beast! so happy another zerg is through to r32 =D
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On September 14 2010 19:29 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
This Terran doesn't have any micro o_o like, omg he had 50 banelings, let's stim and a-move instead of kiting! he was cornered
Cornered in front of his ramp?
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I don't even know what mythprime was doing at all. Who makes marauders against zerglings? Hellion harass into banshee would have worked wonders.
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On September 14 2010 19:29 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:28 Shikyo wrote:On September 14 2010 19:27 Plexa wrote:Zenio is only #1 on the Korean ladder.. just saying I'm hoping this Terran isn't anywhere near top 50 <_> While the Terran was bad, there were a few moments Zenio looked touchable T_T
I definitely disagree.
His play was far from superb at any point in either of the games. The terran just kept doing 1 wrong thing after another.
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On September 14 2010 19:29 amorpheus wrote:Ensnare incoming + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://s5.img.766.com/165/100830/0912/401041.jpg) looks quite like Zero really
not at all
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On September 14 2010 19:30 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:29 Tabbris wrote:On September 14 2010 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
This Terran doesn't have any micro o_o like, omg he had 50 banelings, let's stim and a-move instead of kiting! he was cornered Cornered in front of his ramp?
Yeah units dont just magically run up ramps they stop and bump into eachother. Lets group up more to run up the ramp vs banelings... not a good idea.
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lol what happened to artosis there??
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with all those extra orbital commands, myth should've called down some mules on top of the banelings :D
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By the way 2 of the CCs were close together - if he aimed correctly (and not randomly) he could have taken both out with the same splash.
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On September 14 2010 19:30 ZataN wrote:
Myth was definetly not playing at his best... and Zenio is a beast! so happy another zerg is through to r32 =D
Zenio may be a good player but his play today was a little less worse than Myth's
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On September 14 2010 19:28 gakkgakk wrote:
They seriously needs to nerf banelings zenio seriously they he just ruin banegeddens the game because of theirhis imbalance. seriously.
fixed
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On September 14 2010 19:30 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:29 Tabbris wrote:On September 14 2010 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
This Terran doesn't have any micro o_o like, omg he had 50 banelings, let's stim and a-move instead of kiting! he was cornered Cornered in front of his ramp?
Do you think walking up a tiny coke is going to save you?
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I don't understand why Artosis is picking questions that had nothing to do with the matches
I would like some insight on some of his game decisions.
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On September 14 2010 19:32 Macabre wrote:I don't understand why Artosis is picking questions that had nothing to do with the matches
Artosis doesn't pick the questions someone else does he's said this several times.
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Artosis with a subtlety of a mamoth, nice water stain.
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On September 14 2010 19:30 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:29 Tabbris wrote:On September 14 2010 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
This Terran doesn't have any micro o_o like, omg he had 50 banelings, let's stim and a-move instead of kiting! he was cornered Cornered in front of his ramp?
This.
Also, he was only in a tight spot at the end. On the first fight near the xel'naga tower he had plenty of space and STILL stood there. So don't make excuses for him.
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On September 14 2010 19:31 KonohaFlash wrote:
I don't even know what mythprime was doing at all. Who makes marauders against zerglings? Hellion harass into banshee would have worked wonders.
Hellion harrass when you were bunker rushing (slow rush ok) from 3 rax?
come on
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This is a game that I have to see Seems like the lol-ness doesn't really transfer across a live report thread. At least not like it should.
Can't wait to see what this guy is going to do against Ensnare
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On September 14 2010 19:33 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:32 Macabre wrote:I don't understand why Artosis is picking questions that had nothing to do with the matches Artosis doesn't pick the questions someone else does he's said this several times.
Ahh I see, well that's a shame then.. lots of the questions posted there are useless.
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On September 14 2010 19:31 Kiarip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:29 Plexa wrote:On September 14 2010 19:28 Shikyo wrote:On September 14 2010 19:27 Plexa wrote:Zenio is only #1 on the Korean ladder.. just saying I'm hoping this Terran isn't anywhere near top 50 <_> While the Terran was bad, there were a few moments Zenio looked touchable T_T I definitely disagree. His play was far from superb at any point in either of the games. The terran just kept doing 1 wrong thing after another.
in game one the zerg would of easily died to the terrans reapers earlier
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Zenio is a fucking baller. Only banelings destroy a COMMAND FUCKING CENTER !! OMG NICE ROFLSTOMP!!
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Korean terrans seem to use less mech. I like this mech is such a slow and boring playstyle (other than hellions)
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Artosis got harassed by his water. And what a cool thank you from our zerg player ;p
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guys, where can I find the all titles of the songs from GSL?
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Zenio putting on the serious face.
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On September 14 2010 19:34 iloevrsg wrote:
guys, where can I find the all titles of the songs from GSL?
I think yesterday's thread had a complete listing somewhere... Don't remember the page numbe though, sorry.
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Im still laughing at Artosis and his water, the man almost drowned
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On September 14 2010 19:31 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:30 Shikyo wrote:On September 14 2010 19:29 Tabbris wrote:On September 14 2010 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
This Terran doesn't have any micro o_o like, omg he had 50 banelings, let's stim and a-move instead of kiting! he was cornered Cornered in front of his ramp? Yeah units dont just magically run up ramps they stop and bump into eachother. Lets group up more to run up the ramp vs banelings... not a good idea.
It actually is, that way the banelings would have to funnel through and it'd be much easier to take most of them out before they reach your army. Or are you seriously suggesting that just a-moving into a million banelings and just taking it all head on is better?
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gif needed.
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On September 14 2010 19:35 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:31 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:On September 14 2010 19:30 Shikyo wrote:On September 14 2010 19:29 Tabbris wrote:On September 14 2010 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
This Terran doesn't have any micro o_o like, omg he had 50 banelings, let's stim and a-move instead of kiting! he was cornered Cornered in front of his ramp? Yeah units dont just magically run up ramps they stop and bump into eachother. Lets group up more to run up the ramp vs banelings... not a good idea. It actually is, that way the banelings would have to funnel through and it'd be much easier to take most of them out before they reach your army. Or are you seriously suggesting that just a-moving into a million banelings and just taking it all head on is better?
The point is there were so many banelings it doesn't matter either way "That is many baneling yes?" would be pretty appropriate there.
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Here comes the gem of the day! I think Sopia is good enough to make a very interesting match.
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Funny how Zenio looks super confident and fully at ease compared to most other progamers ... This dude is scary.
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On September 14 2010 19:18 dacthehork wrote:
This terran is playing horribly
5 rax with techs can be supported off 1 base, why go 4?
Europe is definitely equal or better than Korea imho
Remember that this is ro64. I would like to see a ro64 game in Europe with as many good players and as many good games as there are in GSL. You cant look at one player and two of his games to judge a whole server. Take MSL for example.... soooo many games were noobstomping, so I hardly doubt the european server or the north american server can come up with as many good players as this. Also remember that players like Jinro and Nazgul didnt manage to qualify for the ro64 in GSL. Those players would definitely be qualified in a european tournament of the same size.
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On September 14 2010 19:33 Drazzzt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:31 KonohaFlash wrote:
I don't even know what mythprime was doing at all. Who makes marauders against zerglings? Hellion harass into banshee would have worked wonders. Hellion harrass when you were bunker rushing (slow rush ok) from 3 rax? come on
That's the point. The build wasn't good for this map.
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Ensnare's t-shirt - says "teamliquid" on the side :D
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So... how good is Ensnares opponent? another swift 2:0 incoming?
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On September 14 2010 19:33 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:30 Shikyo wrote:On September 14 2010 19:29 Tabbris wrote:On September 14 2010 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
This Terran doesn't have any micro o_o like, omg he had 50 banelings, let's stim and a-move instead of kiting! he was cornered Cornered in front of his ramp? This. Also, he was only in a tight spot at the end. On the first fight near the xel'naga tower he had plenty of space and STILL stood there. So don't make excuses for him.
yep, stop saying he was cornered when the encounter that really showed the inability of terran to micro against banelings was on open space way before the mass of banelings rolled in terrans nat. It was way earlier and the numbers werent even that big. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to micro and come out of the battle with minimal losses, instead he just let like 10 marauders stand there and get bombed... Honestly u dont see that very often in any 1000+ points diamond game.
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On September 14 2010 19:36 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:35 Shikyo wrote:On September 14 2010 19:31 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:On September 14 2010 19:30 Shikyo wrote:On September 14 2010 19:29 Tabbris wrote:On September 14 2010 19:26 Shikyo wrote:
This Terran doesn't have any micro o_o like, omg he had 50 banelings, let's stim and a-move instead of kiting! he was cornered Cornered in front of his ramp? Yeah units dont just magically run up ramps they stop and bump into eachother. Lets group up more to run up the ramp vs banelings... not a good idea. It actually is, that way the banelings would have to funnel through and it'd be much easier to take most of them out before they reach your army. Or are you seriously suggesting that just a-moving into a million banelings and just taking it all head on is better? The point is there were so many banelings it doesn't matter either way "That is many baneling yes?" would be pretty appropriate there.
It definitely does matter, Marauder has just about no startup-animation and when stimmed they move faster than Banelings.Maybe he couldn't have killed them all, but .... sigh nevermind whatever -_-
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He choked on his water because he couldnt believe a Zerg + Show Spoiler +just won against T on Kulas
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Ensnare looks like he's shacking on his boots...
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most entertaining SC2 game I have seen so far. amazing blings
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much, much better maps for the Zerg here.
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On September 14 2010 19:35 Raevin wrote:
Im still laughing at Artosis and his water, the man almost drowned
Ya, right when the sound started again you could hear him cough.
Btw. Gom (LQ) is working fine for me now for the 5th day. And imo Tasteless is also doing better than the first few days.
So cool to have these tournament with english cast!
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On September 14 2010 19:39 ilbh wrote:
most entertaining SC2 game I have seen so far. amazing blings
lol u really havent seen many games, have you? ^^
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On September 14 2010 18:51 Macabre wrote:
Come on Artosis, pick better questions!! (Like mine!!!)
They don't get to pick the questions unfortunately. One of the producers roam the forms and picks the questions. I think it would be better if they got to make up their own questions but meh....
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On September 14 2010 19:38 figq wrote:
Ensnare's t-shirt - says "teamliquid" on the side :D
omg, how come?
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Woaw, zerg got lucky, no kulas
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Game 1 on XN Caverns
SopiaWerra (Z) bottom left
oGsEnsnare (T) top right
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On September 14 2010 19:40 zimms wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:38 figq wrote:
Ensnare's t-shirt - says "teamliquid" on the side :D omg, how come?
oGs and Teamliquid are staying in the same team house so they both wear each others logos on their shirts because of that.
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ensnare is kinda the only terran I really cheer for besides TLO - he is such a crazy overall-great player, want him to advance and play some awsome games in the bracket-finals against zenio
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Yeah ! Ensnare fighting !
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Sad thing ensnare was rarely used. it was kinda cool
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ensnare top quality terran :D
along with TLO maka and rainbow
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Fast factory by Ensnare, reactor building on rax, gas steal by Sopia. Ensnare stops mining gas though, going for hellion -> expansion.
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Really impressive scouting from Sopia
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On September 14 2010 19:33 Macabre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:33 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:On September 14 2010 19:32 Macabre wrote:I don't understand why Artosis is picking questions that had nothing to do with the matches Artosis doesn't pick the questions someone else does he's said this several times. Ahh I see, well that's a shame then.. lots of the questions posted there are useless.
Post stuff like this on the GOMtv.net site they do read everything and take a lot of it to heart. Honest.
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Sopia 1 base roach so far.
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anyone else test 9ol vs 10ol ext trick? cuz i found 10 ol ext trick to yield more minerals
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On September 14 2010 19:43 ZapRoffo wrote:
Fast factory by Ensnare, reactor building on rax, gas steal by Sopia. Ensnare stops mining gas though, going for hellion -> expansion.
Was kind of expecting this after seeing TLO's succes with the build.
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On September 14 2010 19:44 GetToDaChopa wrote:
anyone else test 9ol vs 10ol ext trick? cuz i found 10 ol ext trick to yield more minerals
9 OL is generally considered better.
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1st 2 hellions hurt almost every drone but kill only 1 or 2.
Expo going up now for Sopia, as well as lair, roaches and queen skirmishing by nat with hellions. 1 creep tumor killed.
Siege tech for Ensnare and marines coming.
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Whoever picks the questions needs to be spanked....that question about infestors was some random shit. Embarrassing tbh :S
That is fucking awesome.
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I used this 'build order test' map to test 9ol vs 10ol ext trick and 10ol ext trick always came out ahead. Maybe the map is buggy... but at 1.5minutes and at 2minutes 10ol ext trick was always more minerals yielded
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Ensnare transitioning into more bio, still on only 1 fac. Going up to 4 rax. Spire going for Sopia.
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That was pretty smart from the zerg, anticipating there'd be an add-on switch and trying to see if his zerglings could slip underneath. Missed the window by a bare 2 seconds or so.
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On September 14 2010 19:47 GetToDaChopa wrote:
I used this 'build order test' map to test 9ol vs 10ol ext trick and 10ol ext trick always came out ahead. Maybe the map is buggy... but at 1.5minutes and at 2minutes 10ol ext trick was always more minerals yielded
With which build order?
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9ol vs 10ol ext trick as i just said
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On September 14 2010 19:48 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:47 GetToDaChopa wrote:
I used this 'build order test' map to test 9ol vs 10ol ext trick and 10ol ext trick always came out ahead. Maybe the map is buggy... but at 1.5minutes and at 2minutes 10ol ext trick was always more minerals yielded With which build order?
Test longer term than that. 10 ol is ahead for a little while, then 9ol goes ahead.
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Did I just see Lost Temple?
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3rd base and 4th hatch going up for Sopia, going for mainly muta bling, mutas poking around.
Mainly marine tank medivac comp for ensnare. Ensnare gearing up for a timing attack seemingly, lots of upgrades going simultaneously.
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SopiaWerra ranked 161. on the Korean ladder. o_O
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Gold base is up and running for Ensnare with PF.
Sopia picks off a badly positioned thor.
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On September 14 2010 19:49 GetToDaChopa wrote:
9ol vs 10ol ext trick as i just said
15hatch 14ext 14pool etc what build?
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On September 14 2010 19:51 Shikyo wrote:
SopiaWerra ranked 161. on the Korean ladder. o_O
Could play in mostly custom games it happens on most servers that some players don't ladder a whole lot. Sopia is playing pretty well so far though impressive opening vs one of the best players around at the moment.
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Engagement in the middle. Ensnare gets the upper hand as a huge tank volley kills most of the blings.
Ensnare now pushing on Sopia, who appears to be dead.
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ensnare giving a thor away, wtf?
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Thor's like, "Come get som-oh shit!"
Ensnare still wins...
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What the hell is going on with everyone playing sloppy? O_O
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decent play by the zerg indeed
ensnare just better
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One planetary fortress at gold can defend vs 50 zerg supply :/
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OH NO sopia. why not coming with the banelings from behind!! )
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Sopia appeared to accidentally hit the X button there as a ton of banelings exploded at the same time maybe another attack of the nerves. Kind of sad as he had a strong opening.
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On September 14 2010 19:54 KonohaFlash wrote:
What the hell is going on with everyone playing sloppy? O_O
Pressure affecting the players seems a lot more evident in the GSL, I guess it's just really intense for them.
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On September 14 2010 19:55 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
Sopia appeared to accidentally hit the X button there as a ton of banelings exploded at the same time maybe another attack of the nerves. Kind of sad as he had a strong opening.
'Noticed this too. Attack at mid would've been a lot different if he didnt use like 15 banelings for 2 tanks.
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I've rarely seen banelings do serious damage without infestors (zenio being the exception that proves the rule)
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On September 14 2010 19:55 ohN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:55 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
Sopia appeared to accidentally hit the X button there as a ton of banelings exploded at the same time maybe another attack of the nerves. Kind of sad as he had a strong opening. 'Noticed this too. Attack at mid would've been a lot different if he didnt use like 15 banelings for 2 tanks.
I'm pretty sure tanks killed most of them.
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ensnare killed it. thats how you play terran.
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"Those Siege Tanks are owning those destructible rocks!" hahaha XD
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Why does planatary fortress exist?
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On September 14 2010 19:55 ohN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:55 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
Sopia appeared to accidentally hit the X button there as a ton of banelings exploded at the same time maybe another attack of the nerves. Kind of sad as he had a strong opening. 'Noticed this too. Attack at mid would've been a lot different if he didnt use like 15 banelings for 2 tanks.
it also would have been much better with a good flank....:/
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Game 2 on Scrap station
SopiaWerra (Z) top
oGsEnsnare (T) right.
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On September 14 2010 19:56 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:55 ohN wrote:On September 14 2010 19:55 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
Sopia appeared to accidentally hit the X button there as a ton of banelings exploded at the same time maybe another attack of the nerves. Kind of sad as he had a strong opening. 'Noticed this too. Attack at mid would've been a lot different if he didnt use like 15 banelings for 2 tanks. I'm pretty sure tanks killed most of them.
What? They were too close to even be attacked
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On September 14 2010 19:56 sleepingdog wrote:
I've rarely seen banelings do serious damage without infestors (zenio being the exception that proves the rule)
flanks..
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IDK I think Sopia had a chance there just appeared to waste his banelings by accidentally hitting the explode key when they were away from the marines, his opening looked pretty good. Hopefully he can play well in game 2 and possibly force a third.
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On September 14 2010 19:57 Nokeboy wrote:
Why does planatary fortress exist?
better question is why doesnt protoss and zerg get a similar set up?
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SCV delaying Sopia's FE. Sopia going roaches, finally places hatch.
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The banelings just attacked the tanks, I don't think that Sopia pressed X. It takes a ton of banelings to kill that many tanks.
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Same hellion build so far from ensnare. Continues mining gas though.
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On September 14 2010 19:57 Nokeboy wrote:
Why does planatary fortress exist?
It's pretty funny to see you get banned for imba, then the first post I see from you after you're unbanned is that =P
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"these guys aren't having a ticklefight here." Oh tasteless...
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I almost cried when i saw him use all those banelings on the tanks.
On September 14 2010 19:58 Jyvblamo wrote:
The banelings just attacked the tanks, I don't think that Sopia pressed X. It takes a ton of banelings to kill that many tanks.
Remember the Challenge mission where terran has to defend against like 6 or 8 banelings. You just need to put one siege tank there, there arent enough banelings to kill a single one.
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4 hellions run by the roaches who are blockign the expansion more than the main, kill 2 drones, 2 hellions picked off by roaches who catch up though.
Fast banshee coming out from ensnare.
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On September 14 2010 19:58 Telcontar wrote:better question is why doesnt protoss and zerg get a similar set up?
Maybe they should reintroduce the queen upgrade and give her some better base defend abilities.
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1st banshee kills 4 drones, spore crawler finishes though.
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How did the Hellions get away? =S
Banshee without cloak? I'm not sure if that is so good
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lol whenever I see a command center placed there all I can think of is "Nexus cannot lift off"
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island expansion running for ensnare, going mech this time. Placing 3rd expansion at nat now. Ensnare taking a big eco advantage.
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that game is pretty over -.-
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OMG Tasteless using the 'v' function!
Happy days
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hmm don't think thors can walk back into the base with that mini-wall
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Thors kill about 9 mutas, Sopia is boned.
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1000/1000 muta died in 2 seconds
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Sopia got outmacroed in both games ;( It's hard enough to play vs T on equal bases, but playing at an econ disadvantage vs a terran like ensnare is impossible.
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Watching Ensnare play is making me feel relieved that I am not that very high diamond zerg player... I would have a serious anger problem playing terrans this good
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I hate when this happens, as a Zerg you constantly await for their all in push and don't drone up in order to have enough units but... they simply won't push.
And then they completely overwhelm you at some point :'[
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disgusting army from ensnare.
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Sopia is pretty screwed -.- painful to watch this drag out.
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you'd need one hell of a fucking magic box to beat that many thors
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ZvT is getting so boring to watch... a-move to victory ... oh well atleast we will have enough TvTs
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"You're not supposed to have this many thors."
lol
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Never seen this style? This is what majority of terrans do on NA ladder, except they aren't nearly as good and its usually on 2 base. I can't even stop the 2 base version, the 3 base... zzzzzz
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On September 14 2010 20:10 cyprin wrote:
so
beating that army
how?
Don't let him get that army basically -.-
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On September 14 2010 20:10 JohnStorm wrote:
you'd need one hell of a fucking magic box to beat that many thors
Well when he has double as much Thors as you have Mutas even that would't work^^
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damn thats a lot of thors
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hahahha tastless is hilarious
"you really are not meant to be able to have that many thors"
"its like a bunch of goliaths on steroids"
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Ensnare playing the campaign here.
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On September 14 2010 20:11 gozima wrote:
that is many thors yes?
haha i was thinking this
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new strat - cover the whole map with thors so there's no free ground to build
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On September 14 2010 20:10 cyprin wrote:
so
beating that army
how?
Impossible at that point. He would have needed a much stronger economy to even stand a chance, which of course isn't possible because of island plus insane banshee harass.
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Mutas were the wrong choice to hit the island expo. Maybe a nydus instead?
LOL @ the amount of Thors right now.
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On September 14 2010 20:10 cyprin wrote:
so
beating that army
how?
Ultras
zerg was just totally outmacroed though
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On September 14 2010 20:12 choboPEon wrote:haha i was thinking this
If he had the special edition thors it would be pretty epic win right there.
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blizzard should add the minerals on expos so that terran cant take free expo on that map . its imba as hell
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I guess this is why you don't 2 base zerg vs 3 base terran
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Oh man, those thors almost made me cry. I will have nightmares tonight. That hurt to watch. Damn..
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On September 14 2010 20:13 TheFinalWord wrote:
I guess this is why you don't 2 base zerg vs 3 base terran
Don't think Ensnare was giving him much of a choice
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On September 14 2010 20:12 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:12 choboPEon wrote:On September 14 2010 20:11 gozima wrote:
that is many thors yes? haha i was thinking this If he had the special edition thors it would be pretty epic win right there.
yeah i love my thors with wings.
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Ensnare is a beast. That's the most thors I've ever seen by that point in the game, lol.
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And hear I was wondering how to beat mass muta...
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wow that was... painful to watch
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On September 14 2010 20:12 Cerion wrote:Ultras zerg was just totally outmacroed though
ultras against thors? don't think so...
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On September 14 2010 20:12 AlgeriaT wrote:
Mutas were the wrong choice to hit the island expo. Maybe a nydus instead?
LOL @ the amount of Thors right now.
Nydus sure .... have fun finding a Terran who is bad enough to miss it there lol. Na the match was pretty soon already over too much harass no major suiciding by the T
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On September 14 2010 20:11 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:Don't let him get that army basically -.-
Right. The zerg was way to passive and his eco wasn't good too. If the terran manage to get 10 or more thors...it's over.
Saw this strategy often by Demuslim. He said to counter this you have to build infestors with mindcontrol. Nothing else could stop this.
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On September 14 2010 20:14 Jyvblamo wrote:
Say Cezanne right! :p
I was just thinking that myself lol
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This is gundam, not starcraft
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On September 14 2010 20:12 Cerion wrote:Ultras zerg was just totally outmacroed though
Demuslim said Ultralisks suck vs that many Thors if i remember correctly. And that's true.
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On September 14 2010 19:44 SuprD3vil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:33 Macabre wrote:On September 14 2010 19:33 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:On September 14 2010 19:32 Macabre wrote:I don't understand why Artosis is picking questions that had nothing to do with the matches Artosis doesn't pick the questions someone else does he's said this several times. Ahh I see, well that's a shame then.. lots of the questions posted there are useless. Post stuff like this on the GOMtv.net site they do read everything and take a lot of it to heart. Honest.
Ok, I can definitely confirm this. I did complain about the questions and about 20 minutes later they answered: "Sorry for the questions. We will pick only questions related to the games and players."
Of course it remains to be seen if they actually do anything about it.
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ensnare looks like a fantasy/flash hybrid *scared*
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You're supposed to quick tech to broodlords and hope the terran doesn't attack, or you don't and that happens
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Well, it's not like Z could do much vs 3/3 200/200 terran mech army in BW either, you just have to stop T from getting to that point.
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On September 14 2010 20:14 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:12 Cerion wrote:On September 14 2010 20:10 cyprin wrote:
so
beating that army
how?
Ultras zerg was just totally outmacroed though Demuslim said Ultralisks suck vs that many Thors if i remember correctly. And that's true.
He's right thors are so huge it's hard to splash them with ultras and pretty sure the thors output their damage faster plus being ranged as opposed to melee. You really just can't let him get that many thors by putting pressure on him.
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What an utterly stupid question, what he would've done against mass Zerglings when he has 15+thors?
Oh boy... oh boy. You don't even need Hellions there.
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ensnare is so chill.. kids my homeboy
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On September 14 2010 20:14 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:12 Cerion wrote:On September 14 2010 20:10 cyprin wrote:
so
beating that army
how?
Ultras zerg was just totally outmacroed though ultras against thors? don't think so...
10 ultra vs 10 thors... ultras win really easily.
Unless the thor-player gets the 58473598mm cannon, in which case 10 thors win without losses
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On September 14 2010 20:13 SkelA wrote:
blizzard should add the minerals on expos so that terran cant take free expo on that map . its imba as hell
That wouldn't change nothing, since CCs can load SCVs.
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On September 14 2010 20:16 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
What an utterly stupid question, what he would've done against mass Zerglings when he has 15+thors?
Oh boy... oh boy. You don't even need Hellions there.
He should have answered: Build moar Thors xD
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omg I'm dying "how would you have dealth with a switch to mass Zerglings?" when he had blueflame hellions xD who makes these questions up???
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On September 14 2010 20:14 smileyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:12 AlgeriaT wrote:
Mutas were the wrong choice to hit the island expo. Maybe a nydus instead?
LOL @ the amount of Thors right now. Nydus sure .... have fun finding a Terran who is bad enough to miss it there lol. Na the match was pretty soon already over too much harass no major suiciding by the T
Remember a Nydus will die to 6 SCVs before it can finish morphing. I believe 6 is the number.
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On September 14 2010 20:16 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:14 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:On September 14 2010 20:12 Cerion wrote:On September 14 2010 20:10 cyprin wrote:
so
beating that army
how?
Ultras zerg was just totally outmacroed though ultras against thors? don't think so... 10 ultra vs 10 thors... ultras win really easily. Unless the thor-player gets the 58473598mm cannon, in which case 10 thors win without losses
every terra has that on that point
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On September 14 2010 20:17 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:14 smileyyy wrote:On September 14 2010 20:12 AlgeriaT wrote:
Mutas were the wrong choice to hit the island expo. Maybe a nydus instead?
LOL @ the amount of Thors right now. Nydus sure .... have fun finding a Terran who is bad enough to miss it there lol. Na the match was pretty soon already over too much harass no major suiciding by the T Remember a Nydus will die to 6 SCVs before it can finish morphing. I believe 6 is the number.
Not to mention planatary fortress.
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Ensnare fighting~
Easily the most baller terran around.
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Hehe - Ensnare seems like a really good guy, good interview .
I think even if Sopia had switched to mass lings and even if Ensnare didn't have Hellions, Sopia still only had 2 hatches so he wouldn't have had the Larvae necessary to build the mass of lings he would need to kill that many Thors before they demolished his base.
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On September 14 2010 20:14 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:12 Cerion wrote:On September 14 2010 20:10 cyprin wrote:
so
beating that army
how?
Ultras zerg was just totally outmacroed though Demuslim said Ultralisks suck vs that many Thors if i remember correctly. And that's true.
Yeah he played mass Thors against Dark.Force and said afterwards that Ultras suck and you have to make Broodlords(+Corrupter) and/or Infestors with NP and if I remember correctly mass Mutas are okay, but obviously not when you have as many Mutas as he has Thors
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On September 14 2010 20:17 zimms wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:13 SkelA wrote:
blizzard should add the minerals on expos so that terran cant take free expo on that map . its imba as hell That wouldn't change nothing, since CCs can load SCVs.
the point is to add few 8 mineral patches so the CC cant land on.... its standard for every SC map
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On September 14 2010 20:17 zimms wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:13 SkelA wrote:
blizzard should add the minerals on expos so that terran cant take free expo on that map . its imba as hell That wouldn't change nothing, since CCs can load SCVs.
Make it have 30 minerals, 5 too many for 5 scvs and a drop can easily carry 6 or multiple stacks of 0 minerals so it takes a while to mine out. Any of those options work there are ways to block it with non destructable units.
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i would also like to know how you deal with a planetary fortress + about 10 missile-turrets on an island :S
but very impressive play by ensnare. very calm, solid and flawless.
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On September 14 2010 20:19 SkelA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:17 zimms wrote:On September 14 2010 20:13 SkelA wrote:
blizzard should add the minerals on expos so that terran cant take free expo on that map . its imba as hell That wouldn't change nothing, since CCs can load SCVs. the point is to add few 8 mineral patches so the CC cant land on.... its standard for every SC map
Wouldn't that make it too hard for the other races?
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well I'm not going to argue with demuslim on what works vs terran :p
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On September 14 2010 20:20 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:19 SkelA wrote:On September 14 2010 20:17 zimms wrote:On September 14 2010 20:13 SkelA wrote:
blizzard should add the minerals on expos so that terran cant take free expo on that map . its imba as hell That wouldn't change nothing, since CCs can load SCVs. the point is to add few 8 mineral patches so the CC cant land on.... its standard for every SC map Wouldn't that make it too hard for the other races?
It wouldn't affect other races at all if they drop 6+ workers on the island.
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On September 14 2010 20:19 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:17 zimms wrote:On September 14 2010 20:13 SkelA wrote:
blizzard should add the minerals on expos so that terran cant take free expo on that map . its imba as hell That wouldn't change nothing, since CCs can load SCVs. Make it have 30 minerals, 5 too many for 5 scvs and a drop can easily carry 6 or multiple stacks of 0 minerals so it takes a while to mine out. Any of those options work there are ways to block it with non destructable units.
Just the standard method of not having enough room for the CC to land like on Python should be a good solution. The hidden Terran island expansions are quite troublesome on quite a few of these maps.
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Yeah, now even island expos are imba? The map is fine as it is, especially for Zerg.
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On September 14 2010 20:21 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:19 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:On September 14 2010 20:17 zimms wrote:On September 14 2010 20:13 SkelA wrote:
blizzard should add the minerals on expos so that terran cant take free expo on that map . its imba as hell That wouldn't change nothing, since CCs can load SCVs. Make it have 30 minerals, 5 too many for 5 scvs and a drop can easily carry 6 or multiple stacks of 0 minerals so it takes a while to mine out. Any of those options work there are ways to block it with non destructable units. Just the standard method of not having enough room for the CC to land like on Python should be a good solution. The hidden Terran island expansions are quite troublesome on quite a few of these maps.
The point is that scvs can unload from a floating command center so there has to be enough minerals to prevent them from mining it out as if not it only delays by a few seconds.
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On September 14 2010 20:20 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:19 SkelA wrote:On September 14 2010 20:17 zimms wrote:On September 14 2010 20:13 SkelA wrote:
blizzard should add the minerals on expos so that terran cant take free expo on that map . its imba as hell That wouldn't change nothing, since CCs can load SCVs. the point is to add few 8 mineral patches so the CC cant land on.... its standard for every SC map Wouldn't that make it too hard for the other races?
Its the same all races need to get a dropship/ovi/warp prizm so they can take a island expo. The way like its not enough that terran is OP lets get them the chance to get a free expo while PZ cant
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the islands just need destructible rocks
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HongUn is such an... interesting name to say the least
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Does anyone else think the Z (oGsCezanne) looks a bit like Chill??
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On September 14 2010 20:20 DoXa wrote:
i would also like to know how you deal with a planetary fortress + about 10 missile-turrets on an island :S
but very impressive play by ensnare. very calm, solid and flawless.
Broodlords deal with it easily, but they are so hard to get and not die.
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On September 14 2010 20:21 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:20 nafta wrote:On September 14 2010 20:19 SkelA wrote:On September 14 2010 20:17 zimms wrote:On September 14 2010 20:13 SkelA wrote:
blizzard should add the minerals on expos so that terran cant take free expo on that map . its imba as hell That wouldn't change nothing, since CCs can load SCVs. the point is to add few 8 mineral patches so the CC cant land on.... its standard for every SC map Wouldn't that make it too hard for the other races? It wouldn't affect other races at all if they drop 6+ workers on the island.
But for terran it would be still pretty easy to take it.You need to get a few workers that will not be mining while the terran can immediately start mining.
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I do think turrets on an island are too strong to assult. They fixed this in war3 by adding water - where you cant build, but where you can drop units.
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Can't wait to see Idra play tomorrow :D
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The CC wouldn't have to land. One option would be as Raelcun mentioned, that you put bigger mineral stacks than 5 SCVs can mine there. Yet that would change the character of the "min blocked" expansion points.
In BW it only denied the terrans faster expansion but once you have drop it wouldn't delay the expansion too much for any race. If you put more minerals there, it would nearly be the same effect as destructible rocks.
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On September 14 2010 20:22 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:21 Shikyo wrote:On September 14 2010 20:19 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:On September 14 2010 20:17 zimms wrote:On September 14 2010 20:13 SkelA wrote:
blizzard should add the minerals on expos so that terran cant take free expo on that map . its imba as hell That wouldn't change nothing, since CCs can load SCVs. Make it have 30 minerals, 5 too many for 5 scvs and a drop can easily carry 6 or multiple stacks of 0 minerals so it takes a while to mine out. Any of those options work there are ways to block it with non destructable units. Just the standard method of not having enough room for the CC to land like on Python should be a good solution. The hidden Terran island expansions are quite troublesome on quite a few of these maps. The point is that scvs can unload from a floating command center so there has to be enough minerals to prevent them from mining it out as if not it only delays by a few seconds.
Oh of course... then having 30 mineral stacks should work. They really shouldn't be able to unload from a cloating CC though O_o I didn't know that, I apologize
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On September 14 2010 20:00 Shikyo wrote:It's pretty funny to see you get banned for imba, then the first post I see from you after you're unbanned is that =P
I kind of agree with him though. I see no reason for Terran to have the best harass and the best defence. It just makes no sense.
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Cezanne was a hell of a painter...
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On September 14 2010 20:22 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:20 DoXa wrote:
i would also like to know how you deal with a planetary fortress + about 10 missile-turrets on an island :S
but very impressive play by ensnare. very calm, solid and flawless. Broodlords deal with it easily, but they are so hard to get and not die.
until the z has broodlords, this expansion is already mined out if it's first expansion...
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Game 1: XN caverns
HongUnPrime (P) top right
oGsCezanne (Z) bottom left
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Why is Blistering Sand supposed to be hard for Protoss?
When they go Phoenix I'm in a lot trouble and well, 4gate push wins everything anyways. You cannot possible build enough Spines to hold that off.
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I havent played SC2 but you can unload scvs from a floating CC ?? Thats gay.
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"Not much boxing of shoes"
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On September 14 2010 20:25 SkelA wrote:
I havent played SC2 but you can unload scvs from a floating CC ?? Thats gay.
Yeah qxc unloaded scvs to surround a marine in the TLA just for lols it was pretty funny
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Very late gas for Cezanne, hatch being blocked. HongUn going for fast warpgates.
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On September 14 2010 20:22 Shikyo wrote:
HongUn is such an... interesting name to say the least
TheLittleOne....and the HungOne......
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HongUn goes 2 warpgate -> expand, rather than a big push. Forge coming.
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That is lots of forcefields
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Mass speedlings come in to the vulnerable nat, P surrounds his forces with FF's, lings try to run into main, zealot warp in blocks most lings, then FF blocks more!
Lings try to kill both nexuses, HongUn fights them off, but more lings come in.
Lings kill natural nexus, almost kill main nexus as well, it survives with low health.
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this is why you dont FE without cannons vs zerg
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omg, insane pressure from the zerg, I don't think the protos can hold.
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Finally a zerg takes advantage of this crappy map. Holding your nat as zerg is sooooo hard! My new strategy, mass zerglings while expanding!
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I'm unable to watch right now would anyone recommend me a game among the first 3 sets.
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On September 14 2010 20:31 GTR wrote:
kwanro of sc2.
Oh hell yeah Zerg Day!!
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Guess why most Protosses expand with cannons?
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PvZ is hands down this game's best MU.
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omfg sick micro from the protoss-player, the craziest force-fields I've seen so far
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Cant believe he left his wall open like that without a sentry up the ramp or something....
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Oh wait the Zerg is failing so hard... okay got the Nex
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cezanne is overcommitting to this. he needs to expand again and just out macro the protoss.
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On September 14 2010 20:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm unable to watch right now would anyone recommend me a game among the first 3 sets.
The game going right now is the best one by far. Otherwise game 2 of myth vs. zenio for lol factor. Not really any impressive games before this one.
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On September 14 2010 20:32 funcmode wrote:
PvZ is hands down this game's best MU.
I agree.
Great move by Cezanne, taking advantage of the open natural. Why should only Zerg be hurt by that
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Such awesome defense by HongUn
On September 14 2010 20:32 funcmode wrote:
PvZ is hands down this game's best MU.
Agreed 100%
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This zergling stuff is fucking epic
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On September 14 2010 20:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm unable to watch right now would anyone recommend me a game among the first 3 sets.
If you're a terran player, go watch Ensnare and proceed to roll over zerg with many thors!
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On September 14 2010 20:32 funcmode wrote:
PvZ is hands down this game's best MU.
Agree so much.
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On September 14 2010 20:32 funcmode wrote:
PvZ is hands down this game's best MU.
According to Cool, after being interviewed by Artosis, he said PvZ is more imbalanced then ZvT right now.
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Cezanne massing roaches now off 2 bases. Continues speedling harasses. Burrow move researching.
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Great job by the zerg player
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There's no such thing as early Zerg aggression that isn't all in.
Watch Protoss come back and win this.
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On September 14 2010 20:34 crappen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:32 funcmode wrote:
PvZ is hands down this game's best MU. According to Cool, after being interviewed by Artosis, he said PvZ is more imbalanced then ZvT right now.
Maybe but its the more interesting.
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On September 14 2010 20:34 crappen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:32 funcmode wrote:
PvZ is hands down this game's best MU. According to Cool, after being interviewed by Artosis, he said PvZ is more imbalanced then ZvT right now.
Meh Cool just is bad at ZvP
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Blink finished for HongUn, kills 3rd base, roaches flank, kill some stalks, but they escape with blink.
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On September 14 2010 20:35 Lazix wrote:
There's no such thing as early Zerg aggression that isn't all in.
Watch Protoss come back and win this.
Yeah I think he's ahead already. Didn't lose many probes at all.
edit: yeah ok I didn't expect him to have so many Roaches
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On September 14 2010 20:35 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:34 crappen wrote:On September 14 2010 20:32 funcmode wrote:
PvZ is hands down this game's best MU. According to Cool, after being interviewed by Artosis, he said PvZ is more imbalanced then ZvT right now. Meh Cool just is bad at ZvP
Not talking about balance, jsut wondering why planatary fortress exists, maybe there is a weakness of terran that it would make sense on. You'd think the most expo dependent race would have better defense like that.
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Cezanne has sooo many roaches, move onto HongUn's nat, which is very close to being overrun.
HongUn GG's.
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Great play with the zerglings trying to force him to build extra cannons and spend resources. Doesnt seem like HongUn is buying it though.
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Cute burrow play. The real damage was done early on though.
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Guys, Cezanne = Chill 2 right??
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On September 14 2010 20:35 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:34 crappen wrote:On September 14 2010 20:32 funcmode wrote:
PvZ is hands down this game's best MU. According to Cool, after being interviewed by Artosis, he said PvZ is more imbalanced then ZvT right now. Meh Cool just is bad at ZvP
He showed pretty solid zvp in Ro64, care to elaborate?
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On September 14 2010 20:34 crappen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:32 funcmode wrote:
PvZ is hands down this game's best MU. According to Cool, after being interviewed by Artosis, he said PvZ is more imbalanced then ZvT right now.
not even he believes that.
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he built the stalkers too early while taking his expo :-/ good game thou
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Burrowed roaches remind me of that old cartoon street sharks.
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I wasn't trying to suggest PvZ is the most balanced matchup (though I would argue that it's more balanced than any MU involving Terran, but let's not go there...), however in terms of pure entertainment value it takes the cake.
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On September 14 2010 20:38 Sqq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:34 crappen wrote:On September 14 2010 20:32 funcmode wrote:
PvZ is hands down this game's best MU. According to Cool, after being interviewed by Artosis, he said PvZ is more imbalanced then ZvT right now. not even he believes that.
Dark.Force dislikes ZvP more than ZvT too, from what i remember
Although i also think ZvP is better balanced.
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On September 14 2010 20:34 crappen wrote:
According to Cool, after being interviewed by Artosis, he said PvZ is more imbalanced then ZvT right now.
games decided by early two-gate-pressure in PvZ in GSL so far:
zero
I know I may sound like a fool, but as long as PvZ keeps providing such intensive back-and-forth-games I find it hard to justify balance-talks in this matchup
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Wow. Most exciting Zerg game so far for me
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Game 2 on Desert Oasis
HongUnPrime at top
oGsCezanne at bottom
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Ah Artosis sportig the good ole' "I hate dts" t-shrit. ^^ Interesting game that last one.
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BTW guys, if you press c and take it to like 2X, you can still understand everything and it'll look like a 2X replay, catch back up to live! A lot of you guys are very far behind !
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Nice, I think that's the best fight so far today . Beautiful use of burrow Roaches, and so much action! XD
Hahah! He looks so badass drinking from his little cup of water as a bit of liquid refreshment XD.
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PvZs are the most versatile matchup. So much give and take in the MU
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Blink stalkers vs burrow roaches, kinda fun to watch actually!
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"most funnest bestest game ever" -Tasteosis
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On September 14 2010 20:35 Lazix wrote:
There's no such thing as early Zerg aggression that isn't all in.
Watch Protoss come back and win this.
you just got proven wrong - zerg underestimates that protoss also suffers economy-wise in such intense early-battles
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On September 14 2010 20:34 crappen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:32 funcmode wrote:
PvZ is hands down this game's best MU. According to Cool, after being interviewed by Artosis, he said PvZ is more imbalanced then ZvT right now.
That was Check not Cool.
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can someone with a more direct access to tasteless or artosis ask him to use the observer tabs more?
particularly Units lost also? It helps to see if certain decisions/strats are efficient as many time we see players doing very fancy stuffs but actually losing more.
Tried posting on gomtv but oh well.
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Some may question HongUn's decision to expand before cannons, but I love watching players trying to push their skills to see how much extraneous fat they can shave off their builds.
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On September 14 2010 20:38 amorpheus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 20:35 Shikyo wrote:On September 14 2010 20:34 crappen wrote:On September 14 2010 20:32 funcmode wrote:
PvZ is hands down this game's best MU. According to Cool, after being interviewed by Artosis, he said PvZ is more imbalanced then ZvT right now. Meh Cool just is bad at ZvP He showed pretty solid zvp in Ro64, care to elaborate?
EDIT: Nvm it wasn't even cool, stop being wrong
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On September 14 2010 20:41 Iraoidja wrote:
can someone with a more direct access to tasteless or artosis ask him to use the observer tabs more?
particularly Units lost also? It helps to see if certain decisions/strats are efficient as many time we see players doing very fancy stuffs but actually losing more.
Tried posting on gomtv but oh well.
He'll get it overtime, he has never spectated before, he has always gone off the Korean POV. They've told him a lot to do it, hes learning
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Damn turned off the stream after the 3rd game.
PvT could be good as well. But marauders completely ruin it.
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On September 14 2010 20:41 Iraoidja wrote:
can someone with a more direct access to tasteless or artosis ask him to use the observer tabs more?
particularly Units lost also? It helps to see if certain decisions/strats are efficient as many time we see players doing very fancy stuffs but actually losing more.
Tried posting on gomtv but oh well.
I posted on GOM and I know someone who had a nearly 20 minute convo with artosis about it but tastless is the one in control and he keeps forgetting because of early feedback telling him to use the units tab over production means he keeps leaving it up on Units which is kind of useless to stream viewers.
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Fast warpgates, 2gas for HongUn again. 1 base speed opening for Cezanne.
2 gate Council for HongUn! fast Blink probably.
3rd gate up.
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Watch that drone so annoying how it bounces backwards when it starts the attack animation he would have killed that probe pretty easily without that... raaaaage
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I was wondering how come void ray hallucination isn't used more. You'd think sending a void ray with proper timing would cause someone to go into a panic and overproduce AA
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late expansion, late lair for Cezanne, roaches coming, a bunch of speedlings out. blink is done
HongUn blinks about 10 stalkers behind Cezanne's gas, which creates a small space for lings to attack. Slaughters a ton of lings, but eventually forced off by a lot more lings despite blink micro.
More stalkers arrive and blink in, Cezanne doesn't have enough lings/queens. HongUn overruns his base, Cezanne GGs.
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Nice blink attack from the cliff
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wowow sick micro keeping so many stalkers alive at that low health.
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hallucination + blink is so good and so underused
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Really nice blink play by HongUn, very happy to see a 3rd game between these two.
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GG, I like any strat involving blink.
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That was really awesome Stalker play.
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blink stalkers in good players hands are so damn good.
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sick micro....all stalkers so low on health
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reminds me of DrunkBobby vs IdrA lol
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best series of the tournament so far
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On September 14 2010 20:46 eluv wrote:
wowow sick micro keeping so many stalkers alive at that low health.
At most only 2 zerglings were attacking any stalker at a time...
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this is a super cool series, gg!
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damn what can you do against that damn blink stalker between the gas strat?? Joe owned me in clanwar with it, its pretty damn frustrating on desert to play against this...
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notice that zergs win on kulas and lose on DO - myths busted? i noticed similar stats from tourney replaypacks
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This is an incredible build.
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On September 14 2010 20:47 rOMi wrote:
reminds me of DrunkBobby vs IdrA lol
Was thinking the same thing.
Seems like hellions Vs roaches, with perfect micro they seem untouchable.
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Holy shit, I can't believe that worked so well
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Sick blink control, thought it was gonna fail with so many lings and queens. Great series so far
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Desert Oasis wackiness. Love it.
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Game 3 on metal.
HongUn at 9
Cezanne at 3
Cross positions.
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DO is such a nice toss map lol, warpins everywhere and great ability to abuse blink. Very nice control and great usage of the map as well.
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That was awesome. Really thought he was losing, especially blinking back in nearly dead stalkers, but wow.
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That strategy feels so unfair on that map, well played though.
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this reminded me of the first sc2 gameplay video I have seen were some korean pro just killes a zerg with blink stalkers
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That was some amazing blink stalker play
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Nice map abuse -_- Kespa maps would never have something like that
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what just happened? hongun shows the best protoss-play after tester, where big names failed
still, a map where something like that is possible just sucks
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On September 14 2010 20:49 ZapRoffo wrote:
Game 3 on metal.
HongUn at 9
Cezanne at 3
Cross positions.
Cross positions. Alright, this is going to be a good game
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wow blink stalkers on DO such an innovative tactic never seen before Oo
not ;-s
they're kinda exaggerating some stuff
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I like how Cezanne just takes another sip from his cup, looking badass as if he just won .
Although that Blink Stalker build is not new to me, I really like how HongUnPrime took advantage of that specific map's design to make the build much more powerful than it might be on other maps.
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Come on Cezanne, do it for the swarm. If 3 Zergs play today and only 1 goes through I will be well depressed
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On September 14 2010 20:48 figq wrote:
notice that zergs win on kulas and lose on DO - myths busted? i noticed similar stats from tourney replaypacks
DO is a bad map for zerg in ZvP (and good in ZvT), because of what we just saw and also because the natural is so open and far away from the ramp, 4 gate all-in are so strong.
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HongUn seems to be going for the 2 gate (after core) expand build, Nexus before forge again like game 1. Cezanne making an aggressive speedling play again.
Great building placement around the nexus and FF's ward off the lings easily, good play by HongUn.
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Honestly just send all the Terran players home and give them all the winner medals and a nice firm handshake.
Then let these guys play the rest of the matches because this is very entertaining to watch
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3rd base going up for Cezanne, getting roach speed and burrow as well. Many warp gates, +1, council going for HongUn, looks to be gearing for a large push.
3rd scouted by hallucinated phoenix.
Blink and robo going up for HongUn, +1 missile for Cezanne. +2 started for HongUn. HongUn has a large stalker force.
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Man, changlings are so humorous walking around
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30 blink stalkers skirmishing with 36 burrow roaches at Cezanne's 3rd. Roaches getting reinforced much faster though, while HongUn takes 3rd at normal spot.
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TAKE THAT MENGSK!!!
/cheers
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Stalkers walk onto a huge burrow roach trap, loses a few before blinking out.
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ahahahhaahaha zerg is by far the best race to watch. Watching Sen and this zerg play is SOOOOOOOOOOO good.
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I was up in my room doing double tiger woods fist pumps on that unburrow lol!
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Rofl at repeated statue killing, I approve
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Oh my God those burrowed roaches gave me the biggest wood.
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Very entertaining games between these two.
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those roaches got stomped :o
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sentries!?!?! force fields??
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Players trade 3rd bases, but the roaches are cut off while retreating by the much faster blink stalkers. Heavy losses from the roaches.
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Minimal losses, but still so much damage done
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PvZ is the best MU, most exciting
Even the casters are into this match, esport at its best
Amazing ****** ***** to watch
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This Protoss player is actually quite good. Minus one oGs player, GG
Although it kinda sucks to lose another zerg player -_-!
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Stalkers at +3 attack, with sentry FF's added, stalkers move in on Zerg nat.
GG from Cezanne.
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*sigh*
Zerg, the only race that can't win using 1 unit.
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good decision making by toss
gg!
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Crazy amount of stalkers.
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Wow HongUn you piece of shit you ruined Zerg day. This is a travesty!
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On September 14 2010 21:01 Fa1nT wrote:
*sigh*
Zerg, the only race that can't win using 1 unit.
Was thinking the exact thing
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Horrible play and decisionmaking by the Zerg
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wow this protoss has sick micro, wtf have I never heard of this guy before?
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I don't even care who won, those games were just awesome.
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Nice play by both, great smooth play from the protoss.
Sad to see ANOTHER zerg lose, but oh well the P deserves it.
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4th series is the recommended series of the day, first 3 were pretty lame, this one was good.
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On September 14 2010 21:02 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:01 Fa1nT wrote:
*sigh*
Zerg, the only race that can't win using 1 unit. Was thinking the exact thing
That protoss was insane with the micro though, but still. 100 stalkers and 10 sentries was all he made :/
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Last game wasn't so great. game 1 and 2 of the zvp were awesome
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best series of the RO64, and it was the last one too. soo sick bo3!
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That was a very cool series, easily the best of the night and probably one of the closest skillwise out of all out the r64. GG.
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He really needs to transition to hydra alot sooner
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dang i only caught the last one? games 1 and 2 were better? I thought that game was pretty nice.
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On September 14 2010 21:02 Shikyo wrote:
Horrible play and decisionmaking by the Zerg
I think he played ok until he wasn't able to retreat from p's 3rd.
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Very fun series, but really, in a hard counter game you cant mass one unit (well, you can't most of the time...)
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On September 14 2010 21:03 Fa1nT wrote:
That protoss was insane with the micro though, but still. 100 stalkers and 10 sentries was all he made :/
still - the zerg didn't force him to go anything else; when I play against mass-roach, why bother build anything else but stalker/sentry? in lategame I may add immortals, but I'd need to throw up like 4 robos to provide a decent flow of immortals
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On September 14 2010 21:01 Fa1nT wrote:
*sigh*
Zerg, the only race that can't win using 1 unit.
If you noticed, the protoss also had observers and sentries.
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On September 14 2010 21:01 Raevin wrote:
PvZ is the best MU, most exciting
Gotta agree, PvZ is so much fun.
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HongUnPrime was so pro! I really liked how he destroyed TWO Mengsk Statues! Normally you only see players kill just one!
Seriously though, even though it is NOT fun to be on the receiving end of Blink Stalker play, that was incredibly fun to watch! Gotta love Forcefielding to trap Roaches, Roaches burrowing under the FF to escape, and Stalkers blinking over the Forcefields to continue the chase! Good stuff!
Tomorrow.....IDRA! WOOOOO!
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On September 14 2010 18:15 Cade wrote:
Predictions:
Bleach 2-1 over Ssoja
Zenio 2-1 over Myth
Ensnare 2-0 over Sopia
Cezanne 2-1 over HongUn
Gave Myth too much credit and flipped the last match, but otherwise spot on.
A shame, too. That match was amazing.
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On September 14 2010 21:04 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
dang i only caught the last one? games 1 and 2 were better? I thought that game was pretty nice.
Game 2 was not better imho, was just good map abuse.
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Absolutely gutted another Zerg is out, but a great series
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It was a disappointing end to what was a very good series. Who makes nothing but roaches against a stalker-heavy army? At the very least, lings would surely have helped.
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So we lost another Zerg? Sad-panda...
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On September 14 2010 21:02 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:01 Fa1nT wrote:
*sigh*
Zerg, the only race that can't win using 1 unit. Was thinking the exact thing
He won the first game with mass speedlings (pretty much).
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On September 14 2010 21:04 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:02 Shikyo wrote:
Horrible play and decisionmaking by the Zerg I think he played ok until he wasn't able to retreat from p's 3rd.
I mean the event that forced him into counterattacking
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now it's this protoss hongun vs zenio - this is gotta be good
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so looking forward to the next round.
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HongUn - The Zerg Killer
He is amazing
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Hm, 4 zergs got protosses, that's pretty promising. At least we can enjoy the expensive delicacy that is zerg.
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On September 14 2010 21:04 zimms wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:01 Fa1nT wrote:
*sigh*
Zerg, the only race that can't win using 1 unit. If you noticed, the protoss also had observers and sentries.
I'd argue that the Zerg also had lings, queens, and overseers.
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Nice games, but I really don't like Tasteless commentating ... He always seems to be "speechless", exaggerates alot with words like "awesome, great, never seen that, etc. Not to mention that he repeats everything Artosis says without adding anything new ...
He seems not focused at all.
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On September 14 2010 21:05 qoiN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:02 Nokeboy wrote:On September 14 2010 21:01 Fa1nT wrote:
*sigh*
Zerg, the only race that can't win using 1 unit. Was thinking the exact thing He won the first game with mass speedlings (pretty much).
i don't know about that, roaches burrowing under forcefields pretty much sealed the deal in game 1. the lings were ultimately repelled.
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I really am glad artosis is casting, hes very good.
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Finally a pretty good interview
Haha I love this guys second answer!!
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this guy actual knows how to talk wow.
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I missed his questions and answers JUST now... anyone want to give me a recap?
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I think this is the best interview of the tourney so far
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Manner protoss, did it for the viewers
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Hire a new translator please, he spent like 5 minutes talking and translator gives one sentence after asking like 4 times what the dude said wtf
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Didn't 4 warpgate to entertain the viewers, what a fucking awesome guy :D
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i think cezanne just made one mistake that cost him the game. when he decided to push out with his main force to hunt down the stalkers and gave the protoss the opportunity to take down his 3rd. just got too greedy.
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Yay MannerToss, I'm sorry I bm'd you for ruining Zerg Day =[.
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Artosis: Why didn't you use 4 warp gate opening?
HongUn - While it is very effective I wanted to entertain the viewers
LOL
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On September 14 2010 21:12 JamesKEenan wrote:
I missed his questions and answers JUST now... anyone want to give me a recap?
First question was, why didn't he make immortals when there were so many roaches. His answer was, at the moment stalkers with blink are good enough to deal with them.
Second question was, why didn't he 4 warp gate rush in the first, or third game. His answer was, while it is effective against zerg, he perfers macro style play, and wanted to entertain his viewers. Aka this dudes a baller.
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Hhahah! Wow, this guy is awesome! He's answering the shit out of Artosis' questions! Haha! Normally these guys only say a couple of lines, but he went on and on XD.
I definitely like this guy! Wow, intentionally avoiding Warp Gate rushes to provide a longer, more entertaining game for viewers? This guy is undoubtedly baller! He seems very confident and cool. And I mean, he took out Cezanne! This guy's got stuff.
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On September 14 2010 21:12 GTR wrote:
this guy actual knows how to talk wow.
Korean man talked for 30-60 seconds
How does that translate to 5-10 seconds of English? >_>
Is that translator any good?
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On September 14 2010 21:12 Shikyo wrote:
Hire a new translator please, he spent like 5 minutes talking and translator gives one sentence after asking like 4 times what the dude said wtf I think he made a post earlier saying he isn't hired to be a translator and he was only told to give summaries of what they say since there are some rambling,etc. because of how new these players are with interviews.
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lol "I did it for the viewers"... oO
Did he really?
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What a legend, just wanted to entertain and didn't go for the easy win for the money. I like him
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On September 14 2010 21:13 rOMi wrote:
Artosis: Why didn't you use 4 warp gate opening?
HongUn - While it is very effective I wanted to entertain the viewers
LOL
rubbing it in the face of DAVIT haha
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love this toss, sucks that the translator probably cut off like half of what he said :/
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On September 14 2010 21:13 Fa1nT wrote:Korean man talked for 30-60 seconds How does that translate to 5-10 seconds of English? >_> Is that translator any good?
You have to remember sometimes the english language gets to the point much faster then another. I could be wrong but I'd say that's the issue.
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That interview was kinda awesome. HongUn seems like a pretty cool dude.
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the ability to provide decent interviews is vital
this kid has a good future!
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On September 14 2010 21:13 Fa1nT wrote:Korean man talked for 30-60 seconds How does that translate to 5-10 seconds of English? >_> Is that translator any good?
That's how it was in the Blizzcon or whatever with the crappy translator until LosingID took over
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That's it for the Round of 64.
Idra plays tomorrow to kick off the Round of 32.
15 Terran
6 Zerg
11 Protoss remain
out of a start of
21 Terran
16 Zerg
27 Protoss
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Awesome answer from Hongun. He didnt want to use a warpgate rush since its broadcasted and he wanted to make some entertaining games for the viewers.
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On September 14 2010 21:13 Fa1nT wrote:Korean man talked for 30-60 seconds How does that translate to 5-10 seconds of English? >_> Is that translator any good?
On September 14 2010 11:57 JunkkaGom wrote:Sorry about lousy translation I was not hired to do translating but as there is noone who can speak Englsih and knows SC2, I'm filling in. The questions are from viewers who put them on on Gomtv forum. I admit some of the questions are not very good, but there isn't much choice. Also I don't have trouble translating Artosis as he puts the sentence brief and to the point. The playes however, do lot of stuttering and drag on. I am instructed to summarize them as best as I can. I do not blame the players however, as many of them have no experience in interviewing in front of live camera and it's also hard for them to concentrate to the questions after winning a match. As I have mentioned before, my primary job is keeping track of foreign reaction and I read every single thread related to GSL. Your threads have been very helpful and I thank you for your great interest.
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The last toss is a guy to follow in ro32 for sure!
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On September 14 2010 21:13 Fa1nT wrote:
Korean man talked for 30-60 seconds
How does that translate to 5-10 seconds of English? >_>
Is that translator any good?
The translator isn't a professional - he's like the only guy there who can speak both languages, so they just got him to do the job. So don't be too harsh : ]
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On September 14 2010 21:14 Macabre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:13 Fa1nT wrote:On September 14 2010 21:12 GTR wrote:
this guy actual knows how to talk wow. Korean man talked for 30-60 seconds How does that translate to 5-10 seconds of English? >_> Is that translator any good? You have to remember sometimes the english language gets to the point much faster then another. I could be wrong but I'd say that's the issue.
Nah the translator is either just bad or is just summarizing on purpose like another poster said.
The kid actually went into great detail why he didn't go immortal :|
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On September 14 2010 21:14 Shatter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:12 Shikyo wrote:
Hire a new translator please, he spent like 5 minutes talking and translator gives one sentence after asking like 4 times what the dude said wtf I think he made a post earlier saying he isn't hired to be a translator and he was only told to give summaries of what they say since there are some rambling,etc. because of how new these players are with interviews.
Oh okay X_x I still personally prefer more complete answers but I guess that that makes sense
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On September 14 2010 21:14 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:13 rOMi wrote:
Artosis: Why didn't you use 4 warp gate opening?
HongUn - While it is very effective I wanted to entertain the viewers
LOL rubbing it in the face of DAVIT haha
the DAVIT games were entertaining i don't know what you're getting at. With so many standard games this tournament a few all-in rushes was very refreshing and exciting, and he executed them perfectly.
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So many goddamn haters in these threads, commentators bad, translators bad, players bad, the list goes on and on.
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On September 14 2010 21:16 rOMi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:14 Macabre wrote:On September 14 2010 21:13 Fa1nT wrote:On September 14 2010 21:12 GTR wrote:
this guy actual knows how to talk wow. Korean man talked for 30-60 seconds How does that translate to 5-10 seconds of English? >_> Is that translator any good? You have to remember sometimes the english language gets to the point much faster then another. I could be wrong but I'd say that's the issue. Nah the translator is either just bad or is just summarizing on purpose like another poster said. The kid actually went into great detail why he didn't go immortal :|
On September 14 2010 11:57 JunkkaGom wrote:Sorry about lousy translation I was not hired to do translating but as there is noone who can speak Englsih and knows SC2, I'm filling in. The questions are from viewers who put them on on Gomtv forum. I admit some of the questions are not very good, but there isn't much choice. Also I don't have trouble translating Artosis as he puts the sentence brief and to the point. The playes however, do lot of stuttering and drag on. I am instructed to summarize them as best as I can. I do not blame the players however, as many of them have no experience in interviewing in front of live camera and it's also hard for them to concentrate to the questions after winning a match. As I have mentioned before, my primary job is keeping track of foreign reaction and I read every single thread related to GSL. Your threads have been very helpful and I thank you for your great interest.
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On September 14 2010 21:15 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:13 Fa1nT wrote:On September 14 2010 21:12 GTR wrote:
this guy actual knows how to talk wow. Korean man talked for 30-60 seconds How does that translate to 5-10 seconds of English? >_> Is that translator any good? Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 11:57 JunkkaGom wrote:Sorry about lousy translation I was not hired to do translating but as there is noone who can speak Englsih and knows SC2, I'm filling in. The questions are from viewers who put them on on Gomtv forum. I admit some of the questions are not very good, but there isn't much choice. Also I don't have trouble translating Artosis as he puts the sentence brief and to the point. The playes however, do lot of stuttering and drag on. I am instructed to summarize them as best as I can. I do not blame the players however, as many of them have no experience in interviewing in front of live camera and it's also hard for them to concentrate to the questions after winning a match. As I have mentioned before, my primary job is keeping track of foreign reaction and I read every single thread related to GSL. Your threads have been very helpful and I thank you for your great interest.
Ah, thats really cool of him then. I thought they just plain out hired a translator.
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The immortal answer went something like this.
During the beta [this is implied], roaches were very effective against gateway units, but after all the nerfs, he feels that blink stalkers are a good enough unit to count them with.
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If I was asked why such a massive use of stalkers, I would answer that there's no point in playing protoss unless you can abuse blink stalkers and force fields.
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On September 14 2010 21:14 qoiN wrote:
love this toss, sucks that the translator probably cut off like half of what he said :/
I'm Korean American. The translations are summarized but they are definitely on point. Sometimes they could be a tad bit better, mainly because I'm sure the translator doesn't know how to translate some words into english but, again, for the most part he is doing a great job.
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On September 14 2010 21:15 Ascorius wrote:
Awesome answer from Hongun. He didnt want to use a warpgate rush since its broadcasted and he wanted to make some entertaining games for the viewers.
although cute, to be honest, I don't really buy it - what I think was that he knew he was pretty underestimated and wanted to show his skill; he is #18 on the korean ladder after all
still, I know you will hate me, but it has to be said: he didn't play against terran; eg. escjung's PvZ is amazing, I'm sure he would've made it against any zerg pretty easily (excepting idra, cool, check ofc)
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go HongUn , nice interview
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On September 14 2010 21:17 Ghad wrote:
So many goddamn haters in these threads, commentators bad, translators bad, players bad, the list goes on and on.
agreed
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That was the final day of ro64 right? If so when the round of 32 starts?
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Yeah people being way to harsh on the translator. Why comment unless you speak the language yourself and can confirm it? Otherwise be happy we are even allowed to watch.
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On September 14 2010 21:19 tackklee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:14 qoiN wrote:
love this toss, sucks that the translator probably cut off like half of what he said :/ I'm Korean American. The translations are summarized but they are definitely on point. Sometimes they could be a tad bit better, mainly because I'm sure the translator doesn't know how to translate some words into english but, again, for the most part he is doing a great job.
i am korean american as well and translator actually doing a good job. not translating word for word but delivering the key points across. however, he does still leave minor details though.
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THis tournament has been so good so far, great casting, good stream and so many games every day!
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So there's only 2 games being played tomorrow but 5 being played the day after. That's a little odd I think.
EDIT: wait scratch that, just saw the date : /
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Good job GOM
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In the last 32
11 out of 27 protoss
6 out of 16 zerg
15 out of 21 terran
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On September 14 2010 21:33 StarPolice wrote:
In the last 32
11 out of 27 protoss
6 out of 16 zerg
15 out of 21 terran
Balanced!
User was temp banned for this post.
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On September 14 2010 21:39 junkacc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:33 StarPolice wrote:
In the last 32
11 out of 27 protoss
6 out of 16 zerg
15 out of 21 terran
Balanced!
I wish people would stop posting a series of useless numbers without context and imply that they are useful statistics. How many of those are mirror matchups, which matchups were more prevalent. What are the win rates on the matchups. Even then the statistics would not be useful out of such a small sample size -.- but at least there would be context.
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On September 14 2010 21:17 Ghad wrote:
So many goddamn haters in these threads, commentators bad, translators bad, players bad, the list goes on and on.
Yup, too many retards these days. They should be glad this is casted outside of Korea at all.
HongUn was so great, will check out everything there is to watch with him immediately.
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On September 14 2010 21:47 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
I wish people would stop posting a series of useless numbers without context and imply that they are useful statistics. How many of those are mirror matchups, which matchups were more prevalent. What are the win rates on the matchups. Even then the statistics would not be useful out of such a small sample size -.- but at least there would be context.
Good point! It would actually be interesting to find out about the actual matchups so I did this summary:
TvP: 11 matches (8 terran wins and 3 protoss wins)
TvZ: 7 matches (5 terrans wins and 2 zerg wins)
PvZ: 7 matches (4 protoss wins and 3 zerg wins)
PvP: 4
TvT: 1
ZvZ: 1
Winning by default: 1
Not stating anything about balance, just providing the numbers.
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On September 14 2010 19:40 zimms wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 19:38 figq wrote:
Ensnare's t-shirt - says "teamliquid" on the side :D omg, how come? I don't know. It's in the free VOD @ 3:30-4:00 too, if someone wants to see it again.
There were other weird things about people wearing t-shirts of teams they are not known to be from. DAVIT weared the same t-shirt as Tester, Cool and Clide (who are all from Team SCV Life), and also Artosis wondered whether one guy was recruited by NEX on the spot. Maybe the teams have provided the organizers with t-shirts and/or stickers, which sometimes appear on the wrong guy?
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oGs players has Teamliquid logo on t-shirt and Teamliquid players had oGs logo on t-shirt... Pretty old news =P
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TLO's friday match has been postponed until next week, time to rearrange my Friday day off
@gomtvnet - Breaking news!!! TLO's got chicken pox and his match will be postponed to the next week. Schedule will be updated soon.
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On September 14 2010 22:47 Welmu wrote:
oGs players has Teamliquid logo on t-shirt and Teamliquid players had oGs logo on t-shirt... Pretty old news =P Sorry, I didn't know. Was it clarified why?
On September 14 2010 22:54 Full.tilt wrote:TLO's friday match has been postponed until next week, time to rearrange my Friday day off @gomtvnet - Breaking news!!! TLO's got chicken pox and his match will be postponed to the next week. Schedule will be updated soon. Best news this week! Now Dario will have time to recover in peace.
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they are in partnership or smthing... They also practise in same place =)
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On September 14 2010 22:55 Welmu wrote:
they are in partnership or smthing... They also practise in same place =) Ah, of course. Thanks. + Show Spoiler +It will be nice (and quite possible) to see Ensnare in the finals or semi-finals, showing the teamliquid logo on the screen throughout the whole match - and those are going to be longer, with more pauses.
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The ro64 has been full of good players and surprising upsets. Can't imagine how exciting the rest of the tourney will be. Kinda makes me want to get really good and move to Korea.
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Thought I'd do some stats for my first post ever here ;-)
Enjoy if you like this sort of thing!
FIND IT HERE!
These are the stats I put in 4 tables from the Ro64 and on:
- How are the races represented in each round
- How are the major teams represented in each round (only teams that had 4 or more players represented in the Ro64 are counted, rest is under "other") and their win/loss rate of players in rounds
- Representation of different matchups through rounds and totals of different matchups over whole Ro64
- Win/loss ratio and percentages for the mixed matchups (the A over B is a little awkward, but I couldn't think of a better representation, sorry :-) ) and total A over B matchups won over the entire Ro64
If you see any anomalies or errors, please let me know. I will try to update these tables after later rounds asap. Keep in mind that some of the fields now show errors or incorrect data (some total fields) because not all data is filled yet from future rounds.
Yes... I like stats! And... spreadsheets ;-)
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Hey when does this start tommorow? CEST time??
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On September 14 2010 23:10 2sw33t wrote:Thought I'd do some stats for my first post ever here ;-) Enjoy if you like this sort of thing! FIND IT HERE!These are the stats I put in 4 tables from the Ro64 and on: - How are the races represented in each round - How are the major teams represented in each round (only teams that had 4 or more players represented in the Ro64 are counted, rest is under "other") and their win/loss rate of players in rounds - Representation of different matchups through rounds and totals of different matchups over whole Ro64 - Win/loss ratio and percentages for the mixed matchups (the A over B is a little awkward, but I couldn't think of a better representation, sorry :-) ) and total A over B matchups won over the entire Ro64 If you see any anomalies or errors, please let me know. I will try to update these tables after later rounds asap. Keep in mind that some of the fields now show errors or incorrect data (some total fields) because not all data is filled yet from future rounds. Yes... I like stats! And... spreadsheets ;-)
Really nice tables! =)... and nice 1st post too
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Thanks :-)
I added another "B-part" to the last table showing the total amount of wins per race, per round, not counting mirrormatches and also the % of total matches won in that round over matchups that featured that race (per race).
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That Ensnare match was brutal...
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Recommended games, anyone?
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United States4126 Posts
On September 14 2010 18:10 GTR wrote:
Excited to see how Myth will go considering he was a pretty cool Human in WC3.
Hopefully not the epitome of abusive Terrans.
It's funny reading that post right before seeing the results
Is Zenith the first Zerg that beat a Terran and advanced so far?
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On September 14 2010 23:40 2sw33t wrote:
Thanks :-)
I added another "B-part" to the last table showing the total amount of wins per race, per round, not counting mirrormatches and also the % of total matches won in that round over matchups that featured that race (per race).
It would be a lot more work, but also a lot more relevant if you actually did matchup results.
So if a TvZ is won by the T, that's recorded in your table as 1, but the result could be 2-0 or 2-1.
The final result says something, but it doesn't say everything.
So basically, add the total games won per racial matchup, rather than the BO3 results, and have those stats.
So if a game ends T 2 - 1 P, then that's 2 for T and 1 for P, rather than 1 for T and 0 for P.
(This would want to be in a separate table to the BO3 results).
Get to work boy!
(Also thanks for the work).
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On September 14 2010 21:47 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:39 junkacc wrote:On September 14 2010 21:33 StarPolice wrote:
In the last 32
11 out of 27 protoss
6 out of 16 zerg
15 out of 21 terran
Balanced! I wish people would stop posting a series of useless numbers without context and imply that they are useful statistics. How many of those are mirror matchups, which matchups were more prevalent. What are the win rates on the matchups. Even then the statistics would not be useful out of such a small sample size -.- but at least there would be context.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=152533
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=152595
this is the context.
Why post nonsense just to try to come off neutral?
The imbalance is apparent even without GSL the only reason people are bringing it up in GSL threads is because of all the claims that korean zergs are doign better.
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On September 15 2010 00:15 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Recommended games, anyone?
The final match with HongUn vs Cezanne is very entertaining, I feel . You should watch all the games in that match.
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On September 15 2010 01:05 Kinky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 18:10 GTR wrote:
Excited to see how Myth will go considering he was a pretty cool Human in WC3.
Hopefully not the epitome of abusive Terrans. It's funny reading that post right before seeing the results Is Zenith the first Zerg that beat a Terran and advanced so far?
Idra beat a Terran during the first day.
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It looks like the Zerg need to re-invent themselves and their strategy...
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On September 15 2010 01:07 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 23:40 2sw33t wrote:
Thanks :-)
I added another "B-part" to the last table showing the total amount of wins per race, per round, not counting mirrormatches and also the % of total matches won in that round over matchups that featured that race (per race). It would be a lot more work, but also a lot more relevant if you actually did matchup results. So if a TvZ is won by the T, that's recorded in your table as 1, but the result could be 2-0 or 2-1. The final result says something, but it doesn't say everything. So basically, add the total games won per racial matchup, rather than the BO3 results, and have those stats. So if a game ends T 2 - 1 P, then that's 2 for T and 1 for P, rather than 1 for T and 0 for P. (This would want to be in a separate table to the BO3 results). Get to work boy! (Also thanks for the work).
I thought of that while working on it, but ye it would be a lot of work. I might do it if I have time the coming days since I can also just re-use the whole thing for future single-elimination tournaments (and with a bit of work also for double elim and group phases). So I might!
*EDIT*
Hmmm... If I make it so I actually make a worksheet with the single elim tree and have it count won maps on basis of race, that would be awesome :-) Who is good with spreadsheet formulas?
It should be something like this: =(if Cell1 = T then count from Cell2)
Where Cell1 would hold either T, P or Z and Cell2 would hold a score of 0, 1, or more depending on if it was Bo3 or Bo5 etc. But the formula would be very long since I have to add this line for all the matches... that would make it troublesome. Maybe there is an easier way?
Doesn't TL have some smart programmer-guy in their team that can just make this system for the website? Would make it a lot easier for me
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for the love of fucking god would artosis and tasteless please stop saying stupid things like "LOLOL SUP" and "ROFLSTOMPED"
what the hell, how old are you guys? stop talking like morons
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On September 15 2010 06:41 benjammin wrote:
for the love of fucking god would artosis and tasteless please stop saying stupid things like "LOLOL SUP" and "ROFLSTOMPED"
what the hell, how old are you guys? stop talking like morons
On the contrary, this is what I like about artosis and tasteless's style. They're just so casual and I'd prefer them to overly professional commentators that cannot relate to the viewers about sc2 at all. and its L-O-L lol
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On September 15 2010 12:56 remio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 06:41 benjammin wrote:
for the love of fucking god would artosis and tasteless please stop saying stupid things like "LOLOL SUP" and "ROFLSTOMPED"
what the hell, how old are you guys? stop talking like morons On the contrary, this is what I like about artosis and tasteless's style. They're just so casual and I'd prefer them to overly professional commentators that cannot relate to the viewers about sc2 at all. and its L-O-L lol
ROFLCOPTER!!!!
I agree though, I like the in-formal style, you can tell they are gamers, and artosis seems like he is playing some quick matches inbetween streams...
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On September 15 2010 02:34 Manit0u wrote:
It looks like the Zerg need to re-invent themselves and their strategy...
:-P Well played.
EDIT: I shat bricks laughing when Artosis was so pumped about the Banelings killing the CC, and then was like..."wait, that might have been the POOREST choices I've ever seen"
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On September 15 2010 12:56 remio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 06:41 benjammin wrote:
for the love of fucking god would artosis and tasteless please stop saying stupid things like "LOLOL SUP" and "ROFLSTOMPED"
what the hell, how old are you guys? stop talking like morons On the contrary, this is what I like about artosis and tasteless's style. They're just so casual and I'd prefer them to overly professional commentators that cannot relate to the viewers about sc2 at all. and its L-O-L lol
i was going to say something like "please explain how this relates to any viewers besides 16 year old gaming nerds" but i suppose that is hitting the target demographic pretty well
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Zenio has been destroying the the oGs house and the korean ladder. I am very interested to see his play later on.
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Korea (South)855 Posts
On September 14 2010 21:25 shire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:19 tackklee wrote:On September 14 2010 21:14 qoiN wrote:
love this toss, sucks that the translator probably cut off like half of what he said :/ I'm Korean American. The translations are summarized but they are definitely on point. Sometimes they could be a tad bit better, mainly because I'm sure the translator doesn't know how to translate some words into english but, again, for the most part he is doing a great job. i am korean american as well and translator actually doing a good job. not translating word for word but delivering the key points across. however, he does still leave minor details though.
Yeah I actually do leave quite many details out. I managed to memorize all the English names for the units, techs. However I'm not comfortable in front of camera myself and when I get stuck on some Korean gaming abbreviation I sort of panick and skip them. Like some of you pointed out, many words don't translate directly, such as Nalbil, which is similar to cheese but not exactly the same.
Despite these excuses I do admit there are rooms for improvements. As this is just the beginning of GSL I think I'll have plenty of time to gain experience. Frankly speaking I think I have enough to do as it is and really wish someone who speaks better English/Korean and knows more about the games would be hired
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On September 15 2010 17:11 JunkkaGom wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:25 shire wrote:On September 14 2010 21:19 tackklee wrote:On September 14 2010 21:14 qoiN wrote:
love this toss, sucks that the translator probably cut off like half of what he said :/ I'm Korean American. The translations are summarized but they are definitely on point. Sometimes they could be a tad bit better, mainly because I'm sure the translator doesn't know how to translate some words into english but, again, for the most part he is doing a great job. i am korean american as well and translator actually doing a good job. not translating word for word but delivering the key points across. however, he does still leave minor details though. Yeah I actually do leave quite many details out. I managed to memorize all the English names for the units, techs. However I'm not comfortable in front of camera myself and when I get stuck on some Korean gaming abbreviation I sort of panick and skip them. Like some of you pointed out, many words don't translate directly, such as Nalbil, which is similar to cheese but not exactly the same. Despite these excuses I do admit there are rooms for improvements. As this is just the beginning of GSL I think I'll have plenty of time to gain experience. Frankly speaking I think I have enough to do as it is and really wish someone who speaks better English/Korean and knows more about the games would be hired
I'm getting quite pissed off with people flaming you. It's bothering to know that people don't even know why you are translating in the first place. I give kudos (respect) to you that you agreed to help out.
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On September 15 2010 17:11 JunkkaGom wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:25 shire wrote:On September 14 2010 21:19 tackklee wrote:On September 14 2010 21:14 qoiN wrote:
love this toss, sucks that the translator probably cut off like half of what he said :/ I'm Korean American. The translations are summarized but they are definitely on point. Sometimes they could be a tad bit better, mainly because I'm sure the translator doesn't know how to translate some words into english but, again, for the most part he is doing a great job. i am korean american as well and translator actually doing a good job. not translating word for word but delivering the key points across. however, he does still leave minor details though. Yeah I actually do leave quite many details out. I managed to memorize all the English names for the units, techs. However I'm not comfortable in front of camera myself and when I get stuck on some Korean gaming abbreviation I sort of panick and skip them. Like some of you pointed out, many words don't translate directly, such as Nalbil, which is similar to cheese but not exactly the same. Despite these excuses I do admit there are rooms for improvements. As this is just the beginning of GSL I think I'll have plenty of time to gain experience. Frankly speaking I think I have enough to do as it is and really wish someone who speaks better English/Korean and knows more about the games would be hired
you're doing a great job, keep it up!
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5 minutes left!! Greg Fields Fighting!! Also anyone know if he moved out of Tasteless' yet?
Also Junkka fighting!! at least you don't have to translate first match
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On September 15 2010 17:11 JunkkaGom wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 21:25 shire wrote:On September 14 2010 21:19 tackklee wrote:On September 14 2010 21:14 qoiN wrote:
love this toss, sucks that the translator probably cut off like half of what he said :/ I'm Korean American. The translations are summarized but they are definitely on point. Sometimes they could be a tad bit better, mainly because I'm sure the translator doesn't know how to translate some words into english but, again, for the most part he is doing a great job. i am korean american as well and translator actually doing a good job. not translating word for word but delivering the key points across. however, he does still leave minor details though. Yeah I actually do leave quite many details out. I managed to memorize all the English names for the units, techs. However I'm not comfortable in front of camera myself and when I get stuck on some Korean gaming abbreviation I sort of panick and skip them. Like some of you pointed out, many words don't translate directly, such as Nalbil, which is similar to cheese but not exactly the same. Despite these excuses I do admit there are rooms for improvements. As this is just the beginning of GSL I think I'll have plenty of time to gain experience. Frankly speaking I think I have enough to do as it is and really wish someone who speaks better English/Korean and knows more about the games would be hired
You are doing fine.
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Tankboy gg... means ive been wrong on every single prediction so far!
Edit bah wrong thread, feel free to delete
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