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On September 06 2010 22:25 Vokasak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 22:23 rocketboy77 wrote:On September 06 2010 22:17 Vokasak wrote:
Fun fact: Two marines ... deal more damage than marauders...to armored targets. This is not true. Two unstimmed Marines will do 11.61 dps to an Armored unit with 1 armor. An unstimmed Marauder will do 12.66 dps to the same unit. The Marines do a lot worse as the armor of the target increases. Marauders also have 1 extra range and sight. I meant armored as in the unit type, not armored as in with armor upgrades. If the target has +1 armor, I see no reason why the marines can't get +1 damage.
All Armored units have at least 1 base armor, with the exception of the Viking and Void Ray which the Marauder can't hit anyway (except when the Viking's in ground mode).
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On September 06 2010 22:25 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 22:14 Sigmur wrote:
Is it just me, or those Koreans are NOT that good? I mean seriously. I've watched IEM, MLG and I think players were much better there. The top foreigners can compete with the top64 Koreans, however it's a stretch to say average foreigner is on the same level of average Korean. Ever person I have read that has played on multiple servers has commented that the level of the Korean server is higher than the other two. If NA/EU players were better than Koreans, why have they not shown it in the international tournaments? Koreans have, since the middle of Phase 1 beta dominated every event, with Idra being the exception that has been able to compete with the best.
It's true. I play on both the NA servers and the KR servers. The best I could muster on the KR server is Silver League, while i'm Platinum on NA.
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On September 06 2010 22:25 Vokasak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 22:23 rocketboy77 wrote:On September 06 2010 22:17 Vokasak wrote:
Fun fact: Two marines ... deal more damage than marauders...to armored targets. This is not true. Two unstimmed Marines will do 11.61 dps to an Armored unit with 1 armor. An unstimmed Marauder will do 12.66 dps to the same unit. The Marines do a lot worse as the armor of the target increases. Marauders also have 1 extra range and sight. I meant armored as in the unit type, not armored as in with armor upgrades. If the target has +1 armor, I see no reason why the marines can't get +1 damage.
I think theres one unit in the entire game that is armored and doesnt have a base armor of atleast 1 (that is ground)
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On September 06 2010 22:25 Vokasak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 22:23 rocketboy77 wrote:On September 06 2010 22:17 Vokasak wrote:
Fun fact: Two marines ... deal more damage than marauders...to armored targets. This is not true. Two unstimmed Marines will do 11.61 dps to an Armored unit with 1 armor. An unstimmed Marauder will do 12.66 dps to the same unit. The Marines do a lot worse as the armor of the target increases. Marauders also have 1 extra range and sight. I meant armored as in the unit type, not armored as in with armor upgrades. If the target has +1 armor, I see no reason why the marines can't get +1 damage.
I may be very wrong but its possible all armored units have at least one armour, most of them anyway. Also, marines are light are very susceptible to bonus to light units. Armored is less of a problem.
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On September 06 2010 22:24 Jochan wrote:
When the message from Tasteless went to not reastream, and TL removed the notification on the site, my hq stream went bonkers, so much lag. It was beautify smooth for first 4 matches. Then it went to normal smooth mode after series ended and Arthosis made an interview. I guess too many people joined the GOM stream, they are not ready to dump restreamers.
Same for me. HQ was great first four, last game it was fucked up.
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On September 06 2010 22:14 Sigmur wrote:
Is it just me, or those Koreans are NOT that good? I mean seriously. I've watched IEM, MLG and I think players were much better there. Are you sure you are comparing the same rounds? I'm sure you aren't, because you mention IEM, which started from Ro16, and we are watching Ro64 here. Let's see around Ro16 of GSL if you are going to feel the same way.
That said, sure, Koreans aren't from another planet; foreigners can beat Koreans. And not just IdrA, btw.
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I got to say though, the quality of Tastosis was so much better than Day 1. The chemistry between those two is better than any other dual-commentary.
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I hope tasteless gets more flow in his commentating soon, he always goes "Ehhhhhhhhhhh" at the start of each fight beacuse he doesn't know what to say :C
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From what I have seen so far, I have no doubts that IdrA will destroy the protoss player that won the first match today.
TLO and Artosis are looking good as well..
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On September 06 2010 22:29 Ghad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 22:24 Jochan wrote:
When the message from Tasteless went to not reastream, and TL removed the notification on the site, my hq stream went bonkers, so much lag. It was beautify smooth for first 4 matches. Then it went to normal smooth mode after series ended and Arthosis made an interview. I guess too many people joined the GOM stream, they are not ready to dump restreamers. Same for me. HQ was great first four, last game it was fucked up.
Ghad what do you think about the quality of the HQ stream. is it worth your money or what?
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to those disappointed by the level of play so far, just wait for cool, tester, ensnare, check, intotherainbow, nexgenius...etc.
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On September 06 2010 22:28 ScreaM-tHE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 22:24 Jochan wrote:
When the message from Tasteless went to not reastream, and TL removed the notification on the site, my hq stream went bonkers, so much lag. It was beautify smooth for first 4 matches. Then it went to normal smooth mode after series ended and Arthosis made an interview. I guess too many people joined the GOM stream, they are not ready to dump restreamers. My HQ stream ran perfect all day. A GREAT improvement over the day 1 debacle. I imagine any problems with the streams will be fewer and farer between as this progresses. It was really nice to see how much improvement they were able to make in such a short timeframe.
I didn't have the HQ stream the first day (didn't pay for it at the time), but the HQ stream was perfect today.
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On September 06 2010 22:29 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 22:14 Sigmur wrote:
Is it just me, or those Koreans are NOT that good? I mean seriously. I've watched IEM, MLG and I think players were much better there. Are you sure you are comparing the same rounds? I'm sure you aren't, because you mention IEM, which started from Ro16, and we are watching Ro64 here. Let's see around Ro16 of GSL if you are going to feel the same way. That said, sure, Koreans aren't from another planet; foreigners can beat Koreans. And not just IdrA, btw.
Maybe you are right, but on the forums everywhere, ppl are saying that Koreans are so good on and on. I think they are exaggerating. Surely tip top players are better than for example Aory and tankboy who were CONSTANTLY forgetting to make depots/pylons. But c'mon eliminaries already were there. It's not random 64 who signed up for tournament. It's best 64 out of 2000. I thought their lvl of play would have been better. Cheers
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On September 06 2010 22:35 Telcontar wrote:
to those disappointed by the level of play so far, just wait for cool, tester, ensnare, check, intotherainbow, nexgenius...etc.
Tester & Co better deliver or else...
Today's players really sucked imo but at least Tastosis' cast has improved.
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Tomorrow should be better. We should also be seeing 2 Zergs advance, although I'm actually kind of starting to doubt it...
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the matches might not be perfect, but the casting is
can't wait to see how amazing it will be in like RO8 with this perfect casting
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On September 06 2010 22:36 Sigmur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 22:29 figq wrote:On September 06 2010 22:14 Sigmur wrote:
Is it just me, or those Koreans are NOT that good? I mean seriously. I've watched IEM, MLG and I think players were much better there. Are you sure you are comparing the same rounds? I'm sure you aren't, because you mention IEM, which started from Ro16, and we are watching Ro64 here. Let's see around Ro16 of GSL if you are going to feel the same way. That said, sure, Koreans aren't from another planet; foreigners can beat Koreans. And not just IdrA, btw. Maybe you are right, but on the forums everywhere, ppl are saying that Koreans are so good on and on. I think they are exaggerating. Surely tip top players are better than for example Aory and tankboy who were CONSTANTLY forgetting to make depots/pylons. But c'mon eliminaries already were there. It's not random 64 who signed up for tournament. It's best 64 out of 2000. I thought their lvl of play would have been better. Cheers
Even in Brood War there are a ton of bad players who make it to the ro64 stage in the offline prelims, it's not uncommon. There is a saying that the OSL "starts at the ro16" and this really holds true for every tournament.
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On September 06 2010 22:36 Sigmur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 22:29 figq wrote:On September 06 2010 22:14 Sigmur wrote:
Is it just me, or those Koreans are NOT that good? I mean seriously. I've watched IEM, MLG and I think players were much better there. Are you sure you are comparing the same rounds? I'm sure you aren't, because you mention IEM, which started from Ro16, and we are watching Ro64 here. Let's see around Ro16 of GSL if you are going to feel the same way. That said, sure, Koreans aren't from another planet; foreigners can beat Koreans. And not just IdrA, btw. Maybe you are right, but on the forums everywhere, ppl are saying that Koreans are so good on and on. I think they are exaggerating. Surely tip top players are better than for example Aory and tankboy who were CONSTANTLY forgetting to make depots/pylons. But c'mon eliminaries already were there. It's not random 64 who signed up for tournament. It's best 64 out of 2000. I thought their lvl of play would have been better. Cheers
We've only seen two days worth of games. Wouldn't it be prudent to withold judgement about the level of play of an entire country, at least until we get a little more games to work with? If these were Bo1s, everyone here would have written off tankboy a copper-level scrub who let his nerves get the better of him, but then he turned around with godly micro in games 2 and 3 and shut us up before most of us could make fun of him. We've not even 1/4 of the way through the Ro64 yet. Let's just keep what we know in perspective. :/
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On September 06 2010 22:36 Sigmur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 22:29 figq wrote:On September 06 2010 22:14 Sigmur wrote:
Is it just me, or those Koreans are NOT that good? I mean seriously. I've watched IEM, MLG and I think players were much better there. Are you sure you are comparing the same rounds? I'm sure you aren't, because you mention IEM, which started from Ro16, and we are watching Ro64 here. Let's see around Ro16 of GSL if you are going to feel the same way. That said, sure, Koreans aren't from another planet; foreigners can beat Koreans. And not just IdrA, btw. Maybe you are right, but on the forums everywhere, ppl are saying that Koreans are so good on and on. I think they are exaggerating. Surely tip top players are better than for example Aory and tankboy who were CONSTANTLY forgetting to make depots/pylons. But c'mon eliminaries already were there. It's not random 64 who signed up for tournament. It's best 64 out of 2000. I thought their lvl of play would have been better. Cheers Oh, with that I quite agree. Even IntoTheRainbow and guys of such high BW class still make very rookie mistakes in SC2. It's true. But even with those mistakes they still own quite a lot, so it's scary to think what they are going to become.
Also, people watch 2 Koreans play against each other; notice that they supply block themselves, or pile some resources etc, and assume those 2 players are both weak. That's an illusion, because they are good enough to pressure each other, but against someone else, they would dominate despite the macro mistakes they make, simply because of greatly superior unit control.
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2 zergs enter, 0 zergs leave.
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