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rocketboy77
Profile Joined July 2010
171 Posts
September 06 2010 13:28 GMT
#1661
On September 06 2010 22:25 Vokasak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 22:23 rocketboy77 wrote:
On September 06 2010 22:17 Vokasak wrote:
Fun fact: Two marines ... deal more damage than marauders...to armored targets.

This is not true. Two unstimmed Marines will do 11.61 dps to an Armored unit with 1 armor. An unstimmed Marauder will do 12.66 dps to the same unit. The Marines do a lot worse as the armor of the target increases.

Marauders also have 1 extra range and sight.


I meant armored as in the unit type, not armored as in with armor upgrades. If the target has +1 armor, I see no reason why the marines can't get +1 damage.

All Armored units have at least 1 base armor, with the exception of the Viking and Void Ray which the Marauder can't hit anyway (except when the Viking's in ground mode).
kr_priest
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)223 Posts
September 06 2010 13:28 GMT
#1662
On September 06 2010 22:25 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 22:14 Sigmur wrote:
Is it just me, or those Koreans are NOT that good? I mean seriously. I've watched IEM, MLG and I think players were much better there.


The top foreigners can compete with the top64 Koreans, however it's a stretch to say average foreigner is on the same level of average Korean. Ever person I have read that has played on multiple servers has commented that the level of the Korean server is higher than the other two. If NA/EU players were better than Koreans, why have they not shown it in the international tournaments? Koreans have, since the middle of Phase 1 beta dominated every event, with Idra being the exception that has been able to compete with the best.



It's true. I play on both the NA servers and the KR servers. The best I could muster on the KR server is Silver League, while i'm Platinum on NA.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-06 13:29:25
September 06 2010 13:28 GMT
#1663
On September 06 2010 22:25 Vokasak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 22:23 rocketboy77 wrote:
On September 06 2010 22:17 Vokasak wrote:
Fun fact: Two marines ... deal more damage than marauders...to armored targets.

This is not true. Two unstimmed Marines will do 11.61 dps to an Armored unit with 1 armor. An unstimmed Marauder will do 12.66 dps to the same unit. The Marines do a lot worse as the armor of the target increases.

Marauders also have 1 extra range and sight.


I meant armored as in the unit type, not armored as in with armor upgrades. If the target has +1 armor, I see no reason why the marines can't get +1 damage.

I think theres one unit in the entire game that is armored and doesnt have a base armor of atleast 1 (that is ground)
TheFinalWord
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia790 Posts
September 06 2010 13:29 GMT
#1664
On September 06 2010 22:25 Vokasak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 22:23 rocketboy77 wrote:
On September 06 2010 22:17 Vokasak wrote:
Fun fact: Two marines ... deal more damage than marauders...to armored targets.

This is not true. Two unstimmed Marines will do 11.61 dps to an Armored unit with 1 armor. An unstimmed Marauder will do 12.66 dps to the same unit. The Marines do a lot worse as the armor of the target increases.

Marauders also have 1 extra range and sight.


I meant armored as in the unit type, not armored as in with armor upgrades. If the target has +1 armor, I see no reason why the marines can't get +1 damage.

I may be very wrong but its possible all armored units have at least one armour, most of them anyway. Also, marines are light are very susceptible to bonus to light units. Armored is less of a problem.
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
September 06 2010 13:29 GMT
#1665
On September 06 2010 22:24 Jochan wrote:
When the message from Tasteless went to not reastream, and TL removed the notification on the site, my hq stream went bonkers, so much lag. It was beautify smooth for first 4 matches. Then it went to normal smooth mode after series ended and Arthosis made an interview. I guess too many people joined the GOM stream, they are not ready to dump restreamers.


Same for me. HQ was great first four, last game it was fucked up.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-06 13:31:03
September 06 2010 13:29 GMT
#1666
On September 06 2010 22:14 Sigmur wrote:
Is it just me, or those Koreans are NOT that good? I mean seriously. I've watched IEM, MLG and I think players were much better there.
Are you sure you are comparing the same rounds? I'm sure you aren't, because you mention IEM, which started from Ro16, and we are watching Ro64 here. Let's see around Ro16 of GSL if you are going to feel the same way.

That said, sure, Koreans aren't from another planet; foreigners can beat Koreans. And not just IdrA, btw.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
September 06 2010 13:29 GMT
#1667
I got to say though, the quality of Tastosis was so much better than Day 1. The chemistry between those two is better than any other dual-commentary.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
September 06 2010 13:32 GMT
#1668
I hope tasteless gets more flow in his commentating soon, he always goes "Ehhhhhhhhhhh" at the start of each fight beacuse he doesn't know what to say :C
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
September 06 2010 13:32 GMT
#1669
From what I have seen so far, I have no doubts that IdrA will destroy the protoss player that won the first match today.

TLO and Artosis are looking good as well..
lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
September 06 2010 13:34 GMT
#1670
On September 06 2010 22:29 Ghad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 22:24 Jochan wrote:
When the message from Tasteless went to not reastream, and TL removed the notification on the site, my hq stream went bonkers, so much lag. It was beautify smooth for first 4 matches. Then it went to normal smooth mode after series ended and Arthosis made an interview. I guess too many people joined the GOM stream, they are not ready to dump restreamers.


Same for me. HQ was great first four, last game it was fucked up.


Ghad what do you think about the quality of the HQ stream. is it worth your money or what?
Awesome german interviewer: "What was your idea going into games against Idra" "I WANTED TO USE A CHEESE STRATEGY BECAUSE IDRA IS KNOWN TO TILT AFTER LOSING TO SOMETHING GAY" Demuslim
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
September 06 2010 13:35 GMT
#1671
to those disappointed by the level of play so far, just wait for cool, tester, ensnare, check, intotherainbow, nexgenius...etc.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-06 13:36:17
September 06 2010 13:36 GMT
#1672
On September 06 2010 22:28 ScreaM-tHE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 22:24 Jochan wrote:
When the message from Tasteless went to not reastream, and TL removed the notification on the site, my hq stream went bonkers, so much lag. It was beautify smooth for first 4 matches. Then it went to normal smooth mode after series ended and Arthosis made an interview. I guess too many people joined the GOM stream, they are not ready to dump restreamers.


My HQ stream ran perfect all day. A GREAT improvement over the day 1 debacle. I imagine any problems with the streams will be fewer and farer between as this progresses. It was really nice to see how much improvement they were able to make in such a short timeframe.


I didn't have the HQ stream the first day (didn't pay for it at the time), but the HQ stream was perfect today.
Sigmur
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland497 Posts
September 06 2010 13:36 GMT
#1673
On September 06 2010 22:29 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 22:14 Sigmur wrote:
Is it just me, or those Koreans are NOT that good? I mean seriously. I've watched IEM, MLG and I think players were much better there.
Are you sure you are comparing the same rounds? I'm sure you aren't, because you mention IEM, which started from Ro16, and we are watching Ro64 here. Let's see around Ro16 of GSL if you are going to feel the same way.

That said, sure, Koreans aren't from another planet; foreigners can beat Koreans. And not just IdrA, btw.

Maybe you are right, but on the forums everywhere, ppl are saying that Koreans are so good on and on. I think they are exaggerating. Surely tip top players are better than for example Aory and tankboy who were CONSTANTLY forgetting to make depots/pylons. But c'mon eliminaries already were there. It's not random 64 who signed up for tournament. It's best 64 out of 2000. I thought their lvl of play would have been better. Cheers
revoN
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan804 Posts
September 06 2010 13:37 GMT
#1674
On September 06 2010 22:35 Telcontar wrote:
to those disappointed by the level of play so far, just wait for cool, tester, ensnare, check, intotherainbow, nexgenius...etc.


Tester & Co better deliver or else...

Today's players really sucked imo but at least Tastosis' cast has improved.
StarCraft도 Quake도 좋아해요.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 06 2010 13:39 GMT
#1675
Tomorrow should be better. We should also be seeing 2 Zergs advance, although I'm actually kind of starting to doubt it...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
September 06 2010 13:39 GMT
#1676
the matches might not be perfect, but the casting is

can't wait to see how amazing it will be in like RO8 with this perfect casting
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
September 06 2010 13:39 GMT
#1677
On September 06 2010 22:36 Sigmur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 22:29 figq wrote:
On September 06 2010 22:14 Sigmur wrote:
Is it just me, or those Koreans are NOT that good? I mean seriously. I've watched IEM, MLG and I think players were much better there.
Are you sure you are comparing the same rounds? I'm sure you aren't, because you mention IEM, which started from Ro16, and we are watching Ro64 here. Let's see around Ro16 of GSL if you are going to feel the same way.

That said, sure, Koreans aren't from another planet; foreigners can beat Koreans. And not just IdrA, btw.

Maybe you are right, but on the forums everywhere, ppl are saying that Koreans are so good on and on. I think they are exaggerating. Surely tip top players are better than for example Aory and tankboy who were CONSTANTLY forgetting to make depots/pylons. But c'mon eliminaries already were there. It's not random 64 who signed up for tournament. It's best 64 out of 2000. I thought their lvl of play would have been better. Cheers


Even in Brood War there are a ton of bad players who make it to the ro64 stage in the offline prelims, it's not uncommon. There is a saying that the OSL "starts at the ro16" and this really holds true for every tournament.
Vokasak
Profile Joined July 2010
United States388 Posts
September 06 2010 13:40 GMT
#1678
On September 06 2010 22:36 Sigmur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 22:29 figq wrote:
On September 06 2010 22:14 Sigmur wrote:
Is it just me, or those Koreans are NOT that good? I mean seriously. I've watched IEM, MLG and I think players were much better there.
Are you sure you are comparing the same rounds? I'm sure you aren't, because you mention IEM, which started from Ro16, and we are watching Ro64 here. Let's see around Ro16 of GSL if you are going to feel the same way.

That said, sure, Koreans aren't from another planet; foreigners can beat Koreans. And not just IdrA, btw.

Maybe you are right, but on the forums everywhere, ppl are saying that Koreans are so good on and on. I think they are exaggerating. Surely tip top players are better than for example Aory and tankboy who were CONSTANTLY forgetting to make depots/pylons. But c'mon eliminaries already were there. It's not random 64 who signed up for tournament. It's best 64 out of 2000. I thought their lvl of play would have been better. Cheers


We've only seen two days worth of games. Wouldn't it be prudent to withold judgement about the level of play of an entire country, at least until we get a little more games to work with? If these were Bo1s, everyone here would have written off tankboy a copper-level scrub who let his nerves get the better of him, but then he turned around with godly micro in games 2 and 3 and shut us up before most of us could make fun of him. We've not even 1/4 of the way through the Ro64 yet. Let's just keep what we know in perspective. :/
Practical wisdom is the combination of moral will and moral skill
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-06 13:46:18
September 06 2010 13:42 GMT
#1679
On September 06 2010 22:36 Sigmur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 22:29 figq wrote:
On September 06 2010 22:14 Sigmur wrote:
Is it just me, or those Koreans are NOT that good? I mean seriously. I've watched IEM, MLG and I think players were much better there.
Are you sure you are comparing the same rounds? I'm sure you aren't, because you mention IEM, which started from Ro16, and we are watching Ro64 here. Let's see around Ro16 of GSL if you are going to feel the same way.

That said, sure, Koreans aren't from another planet; foreigners can beat Koreans. And not just IdrA, btw.

Maybe you are right, but on the forums everywhere, ppl are saying that Koreans are so good on and on. I think they are exaggerating. Surely tip top players are better than for example Aory and tankboy who were CONSTANTLY forgetting to make depots/pylons. But c'mon eliminaries already were there. It's not random 64 who signed up for tournament. It's best 64 out of 2000. I thought their lvl of play would have been better. Cheers
Oh, with that I quite agree. Even IntoTheRainbow and guys of such high BW class still make very rookie mistakes in SC2. It's true. But even with those mistakes they still own quite a lot, so it's scary to think what they are going to become.

Also, people watch 2 Koreans play against each other; notice that they supply block themselves, or pile some resources etc, and assume those 2 players are both weak. That's an illusion, because they are good enough to pressure each other, but against someone else, they would dominate despite the macro mistakes they make, simply because of greatly superior unit control.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
jackalope
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan120 Posts
September 06 2010 13:43 GMT
#1680

2 zergs enter, 0 zergs leave.
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