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On September 02 2010 14:31 Go0g3n wrote:
Hell, way too much fuzz about $50. Whether you like it or not, there will be enough paying customers to cover production costs of the English-speaking broadcast, there will be a spike in sales if foreigners manage to get into top 16 or further, plus as StarCraft II e-sports scene grows, the 'observatory' audience will grow as well.
I'd like to remind everyone that it isn't the year 2000, the community is no longer made of 13 year olds who could barely scrap $60 to purchase the game (or couldn't and were playing on FSGS, Lurker, Gamei, PGT, Abyss, - iCCup). Like any other sports cable channel (Wrestling, Golf, whatever) - Gretech's goal is to form a solid commercial client-base, the goal they are going to achieve by having exclusive broadcasting rights over arguably the most perspective e-sports strategy game in the business.
I too would like to remind you that it isnt the year 2000. While the community has grown older, and some can afford to pay more, there are lots more that also cant afford it. In addition, internet streaming service costs have gone way way down.
Day9 broadcast to like well over 20k people on ustream, live, and for free for the launch party.
Youtube broadcasts recorded videos to millions of people every day, for free.
Why is it not possible to stream the games on ustream or something and put the VODs up on youtube? That cuts like 90% of the costs right there.
Hell, you can even offer a premium stream that you charge for (and host yourself) so that the games can cast be in HD and with less lag.
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So sad to hear about this, when I first saw the poll I thought it was just a possibility and ignored it, but I was just browsing on reddit and I saw a link to this thread.
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This decision doesn't make any sense to me. Good luck expanding your userbase with such a prohibitively high cost attached.
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So I'm curious - What's TL gonna' do when users start streaming this and linking it in here? I mean, we know it's going to happen eventually.
Edit: And with GSL being in Korea, could that kind of thing even be policed?
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On September 02 2010 14:15 FPSKeNz wrote:
It's funny how people think that this will kill SCII in Korea or set it back for another year, and also think that this is bad for GOMTV and that streaming it for free is better.
To the point. It was never about promoting any game or e-Sports. The world is driven by money. GOMTV will still benefit and Korean SCII will still benefit from this event because since it is streamed for free in Korea, it is not hurting GOMTV's position which is to handle SCII in Korea, not outside of it.
If anything, this is just another way to get a side revenue from everything. It doesn't matter whether you pay or you don't, because this is just added income, not their main revenue stream. The same ads will be played to the Koreans as the ones that will be played for you people who payed to watch the stream from Artosis and Tasteless.
This is never going to go to the point where it is going to kill SCII as an e-Sport. SCII is still big in all states of the world, regardless of what is going to happen here. This is about the Korean scene, so anything relation that it has to the international scene (be it you being from US/EU) is an added bonus.
The main difference between this and all the theories everyone has come up with to go against GOMTV's decision is that it is inapplicable to e-Sports as it is to anything else in the world. How many people said that they will boycott SCII because of the whole Battle.net, no cross-realm play, no chat servers etc etc thingy? And look at the situation now, Blizzard still sold over 3 million copies.
We all say we won't do anything now and not pay etc etc. But at the end of the day, at least 20-30% of the idiots who post here will fold and still end up paying for it.
In the real world, tell me where can you find such manipulation of consumer demand? This situation is equivalent to Blizzard/GOMTV being able to manipulate the market and its demand for its products and yet get away with it despite not satisfying the entire population.
Maybe one company has so far been able to get away with it, Apple. The iPad. Bigger version of the iPod Touch, no?
Yeah, people who claimed to be boycotting SC2 caved in and bought it. Why? Because SC2 is an actual game that you will are required to have a legit copy of it play, and will probably be played years to come.
For this? Who the hell in their right mind is going to cave in and pay money for an internet stream that everyone is used to getting for free? I suspect there will hardly be any caving in at all, and all GOM will be doing is ensuring hardly anyone watches outside of Korea.
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On September 02 2010 14:50 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 14:31 Go0g3n wrote:
Hell, way too much fuzz about $50. Whether you like it or not, there will be enough paying customers to cover production costs of the English-speaking broadcast, there will be a spike in sales if foreigners manage to get into top 16 or further, plus as StarCraft II e-sports scene grows, the 'observatory' audience will grow as well.
I'd like to remind everyone that it isn't the year 2000, the community is no longer made of 13 year olds who could barely scrap $60 to purchase the game (or couldn't and were playing on FSGS, Lurker, Gamei, PGT, Abyss, - iCCup). Like any other sports cable channel (Wrestling, Golf, whatever) - Gretech's goal is to form a solid commercial client-base, the goal they are going to achieve by having exclusive broadcasting rights over arguably the most perspective e-sports strategy game in the business. I too would like to remind you that it isnt the year 2000. While the community has grown older, and some can afford to pay more, there are lots more that also cant afford it. In addition, internet streaming service costs have gone way way down. Day9 broadcast to like well over 20k people on ustream, live, and for free for the launch party. Youtube broadcasts recorded videos to millions of people every day, for free. Why is it not possible to stream the games on ustream or something and put the VODs up on youtube? That cuts like 90% of the costs right there. Hell, you can even offer a premium stream that you charge for (and host yourself) so that the games can cast be in HD and with less lag.
Day9's dailies gets 3k viewers max. And usually anything more is likely to crash livesteam or ustream.
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On September 02 2010 15:01 Ownos wrote:Day9's dailies gets 3k viewers max. And usually anything more is likely to crash livesteam or ustream.
How about 5k min?
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This does make sense in hindsight. Koreans are batshitcrazy for starcraft, so you can charge them to watch high quality games. If GOM charges Koreans, then they have to charge the rest of the world or else they would lose massive amounts of money. I have spent $30 on worse things.
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On September 02 2010 15:03 chuDr3t4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:01 Ownos wrote:Day9's dailies gets 3k viewers max. And usually anything more is likely to crash livesteam or ustream. How about 5k min?
Don't make me take a screenshot.
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On September 02 2010 15:05 JayDee_ wrote:
This does make sense in hindsight. Koreans are batshitcrazy for starcraft, so you can charge them to watch high quality games. If GOM charges Koreans, then they have to charge the rest of the world or else they would lose massive amounts of money. I have spent $30 on worse things.
So have I... And I will strongly consider spending money on this... It just seems kind of backwards, since the foreign community has had free access to basically every pro BW and SC2 game played to date. Ever.
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On September 02 2010 15:01 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 14:50 TheRabidDeer wrote:On September 02 2010 14:31 Go0g3n wrote:
Hell, way too much fuzz about $50. Whether you like it or not, there will be enough paying customers to cover production costs of the English-speaking broadcast, there will be a spike in sales if foreigners manage to get into top 16 or further, plus as StarCraft II e-sports scene grows, the 'observatory' audience will grow as well.
I'd like to remind everyone that it isn't the year 2000, the community is no longer made of 13 year olds who could barely scrap $60 to purchase the game (or couldn't and were playing on FSGS, Lurker, Gamei, PGT, Abyss, - iCCup). Like any other sports cable channel (Wrestling, Golf, whatever) - Gretech's goal is to form a solid commercial client-base, the goal they are going to achieve by having exclusive broadcasting rights over arguably the most perspective e-sports strategy game in the business. I too would like to remind you that it isnt the year 2000. While the community has grown older, and some can afford to pay more, there are lots more that also cant afford it. In addition, internet streaming service costs have gone way way down. Day9 broadcast to like well over 20k people on ustream, live, and for free for the launch party. Youtube broadcasts recorded videos to millions of people every day, for free. Why is it not possible to stream the games on ustream or something and put the VODs up on youtube? That cuts like 90% of the costs right there. Hell, you can even offer a premium stream that you charge for (and host yourself) so that the games can cast be in HD and with less lag. Day9's dailies gets 3k viewers max. And usually anything more is likely to crash livesteam or ustream.
Day9 broacast to 20k people during the launch party and that was over ustream??
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On September 02 2010 15:08 RifleCow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:01 Ownos wrote:On September 02 2010 14:50 TheRabidDeer wrote:On September 02 2010 14:31 Go0g3n wrote:
Hell, way too much fuzz about $50. Whether you like it or not, there will be enough paying customers to cover production costs of the English-speaking broadcast, there will be a spike in sales if foreigners manage to get into top 16 or further, plus as StarCraft II e-sports scene grows, the 'observatory' audience will grow as well.
I'd like to remind everyone that it isn't the year 2000, the community is no longer made of 13 year olds who could barely scrap $60 to purchase the game (or couldn't and were playing on FSGS, Lurker, Gamei, PGT, Abyss, - iCCup). Like any other sports cable channel (Wrestling, Golf, whatever) - Gretech's goal is to form a solid commercial client-base, the goal they are going to achieve by having exclusive broadcasting rights over arguably the most perspective e-sports strategy game in the business. I too would like to remind you that it isnt the year 2000. While the community has grown older, and some can afford to pay more, there are lots more that also cant afford it. In addition, internet streaming service costs have gone way way down. Day9 broadcast to like well over 20k people on ustream, live, and for free for the launch party. Youtube broadcasts recorded videos to millions of people every day, for free. Why is it not possible to stream the games on ustream or something and put the VODs up on youtube? That cuts like 90% of the costs right there. Hell, you can even offer a premium stream that you charge for (and host yourself) so that the games can cast be in HD and with less lag. Day9's dailies gets 3k viewers max. And usually anything more is likely to crash livesteam or ustream. Day9 broacast to 20k people during the launch party and that was over ustream??
Forget only that, the Evo fighting game tournament finals was broadcasted on ustream to about 15k viewers, and also simicasted on another streaming service to about 9k viewers. ustream can take a large amount of viewership no problem. And if a company with a following were to say to ustream "Hey we know we are gonna have a big amount of people viewing our stream, you guys are going to get ad revenue, please help" they most likely would be able to get extra capacity.
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On September 02 2010 15:05 JayDee_ wrote:
This does make sense in hindsight. Koreans are batshitcrazy for starcraft, so you can charge them to watch high quality games. If GOM charges Koreans, then they have to charge the rest of the world or else they would lose massive amounts of money. I have spent $30 on worse things.
But they dont charge the Koreans. Its free in Korea. But, for some reason they believe the western market are more willing to shell out money.
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On September 02 2010 15:03 chuDr3t4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:01 Ownos wrote:Day9's dailies gets 3k viewers max. And usually anything more is likely to crash livesteam or ustream. How about 5k min?
He had 20,000 people watching for the king of the beta and I noticed no lag at all.
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On September 02 2010 15:14 Ascorius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:05 JayDee_ wrote:
This does make sense in hindsight. Koreans are batshitcrazy for starcraft, so you can charge them to watch high quality games. If GOM charges Koreans, then they have to charge the rest of the world or else they would lose massive amounts of money. I have spent $30 on worse things. But they dont charge the Koreans. Its free in Korea. But, for some reason they believe the western market are more willing to shell out money.
Are you sure that is correct? Are they milking the foreigners or is this an flat rate for the world? The latter is fair.
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On September 02 2010 14:58 MrBitter wrote:
So I'm curious - What's TL gonna' do when users start streaming this and linking it in here? I mean, we know it's going to happen eventually.
Edit: And with GSL being in Korea, could that kind of thing even be policed?
i really hope everyone that can does, this is ridiculous there's no free option at all.
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On September 02 2010 15:21 JayDee_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:14 Ascorius wrote:On September 02 2010 15:05 JayDee_ wrote:
This does make sense in hindsight. Koreans are batshitcrazy for starcraft, so you can charge them to watch high quality games. If GOM charges Koreans, then they have to charge the rest of the world or else they would lose massive amounts of money. I have spent $30 on worse things. But they dont charge the Koreans. Its free in Korea. But, for some reason they believe the western market are more willing to shell out money. Are you sure that is correct? Are they milking the foreigners or is this an flat rate for the world? The latter is fair.
They aren't charging Koreans, since the event is going to be broadcast live on MBC with standard ad rates for millions of viewers, this is going to make them a hell of a lot more than a few thousand (at the very best) foreigners purchasing 20$-50$ packages.
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On September 02 2010 15:01 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 14:50 TheRabidDeer wrote:On September 02 2010 14:31 Go0g3n wrote:
Hell, way too much fuzz about $50. Whether you like it or not, there will be enough paying customers to cover production costs of the English-speaking broadcast, there will be a spike in sales if foreigners manage to get into top 16 or further, plus as StarCraft II e-sports scene grows, the 'observatory' audience will grow as well.
I'd like to remind everyone that it isn't the year 2000, the community is no longer made of 13 year olds who could barely scrap $60 to purchase the game (or couldn't and were playing on FSGS, Lurker, Gamei, PGT, Abyss, - iCCup). Like any other sports cable channel (Wrestling, Golf, whatever) - Gretech's goal is to form a solid commercial client-base, the goal they are going to achieve by having exclusive broadcasting rights over arguably the most perspective e-sports strategy game in the business. I too would like to remind you that it isnt the year 2000. While the community has grown older, and some can afford to pay more, there are lots more that also cant afford it. In addition, internet streaming service costs have gone way way down. Day9 broadcast to like well over 20k people on ustream, live, and for free for the launch party. Youtube broadcasts recorded videos to millions of people every day, for free. Why is it not possible to stream the games on ustream or something and put the VODs up on youtube? That cuts like 90% of the costs right there. Hell, you can even offer a premium stream that you charge for (and host yourself) so that the games can cast be in HD and with less lag. Day9's dailies gets 3k viewers max. And usually anything more is likely to crash livesteam or ustream.
I havent had an opportunity to watch his dailies live in a while (still watch on blip.tv though), but I know for a fact that his launch party (ie: when he did the countdown to the launch of SC2) was getting 20k viewers around the time the KotBH tournament started up.
I also know that just during beta he was getting over 3k for his dailies, I dunno if his dailies are getting more now that it has been released or not though.
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On September 02 2010 15:08 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:05 JayDee_ wrote:
This does make sense in hindsight. Koreans are batshitcrazy for starcraft, so you can charge them to watch high quality games. If GOM charges Koreans, then they have to charge the rest of the world or else they would lose massive amounts of money. I have spent $30 on worse things. So have I... And I will strongly consider spending money on this... It just seems kind of backwards, since the foreign community has had free access to basically every pro BW and SC2 game played to date. Ever.
Sponsers are only worth so much. Eventually a business needs to get paid by its consumers to grow. Unless it's a super massive service like google or facebook.
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On September 02 2010 15:26 JayDee_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:08 MrBitter wrote:On September 02 2010 15:05 JayDee_ wrote:
This does make sense in hindsight. Koreans are batshitcrazy for starcraft, so you can charge them to watch high quality games. If GOM charges Koreans, then they have to charge the rest of the world or else they would lose massive amounts of money. I have spent $30 on worse things. So have I... And I will strongly consider spending money on this... It just seems kind of backwards, since the foreign community has had free access to basically every pro BW and SC2 game played to date. Ever. Sponsers are only worth so much. Eventually a business needs to get paid by its consumers to grow. Unless it's a super massive service like google or facebook.
I bolded the right part...
You dont charge an arm and a leg at the start.
Gom might get idea after first tournament that too few $ were earned from english stream so that they would have to increase the prize of it. (well i know its illogical but those are Koreans....)
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