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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 21 2010 17:09 GMT
#4781
Idra is fucking good. The final is gonna be great!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
August 21 2010 17:09 GMT
#4782
On August 22 2010 02:08 Tiny.pat wrote:
Tarson, no need to be sad. First tournament and you play for third place man. Keep it up and you will be in a final soon!


Yeah, I agree completely. 3rd/4th in a tournament like this... hell... he finished above TLO! Cheer up man.
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
August 21 2010 17:09 GMT
#4783
On August 22 2010 02:08 FindingPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 02:03 TaKemE wrote:
Idra is the best outside asia.

hes arguably the best in asia as well.


after seeing oGsTheStC play... i disagree
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
August 21 2010 17:09 GMT
#4784
On August 22 2010 02:07 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 02:04 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 22 2010 01:59 Geo.Rion wrote:
On August 22 2010 01:58 Cerion wrote:
Obviously 70% of your army not being able to shoot up should lose to mass air units

at least one guy gets it, thank you, you preserved my faith in humanity

The cool part is that he didn't lose any mutas at all pretty much.

yeah not losing units in a battle, that sounds like imbalanced Terran. If there aer ppl claiming that this is new and unbeatable or anything, PM me, and i'll look up some of my older reps which were played before all this magic-box nonsense was posted on TL.
Idra didnt go for mutas since he quit Zerg in sc:bw, now he does and wins 2 games, everyone is going insane

You've mentioned several times that you've known of it for ages, no one is disputing that. You can't argue that 'everyone' knew it in diamond and up though, Artosis said several times that Thors compeltely nullify mutalisk. Not to mention I haven't seen that technique used at all by pro players, most ran from Thors.

Yes, it was there but it wasn't "common sense".
gm.tOSS
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany898 Posts
August 21 2010 17:09 GMT
#4785
Wow IdrA is boss. Intimidating games.
HuK HuK HuK | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | There is death in the hane.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 21 2010 17:09 GMT
#4786
TSL LADDER #1 vs #2
kar1181
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom515 Posts
August 21 2010 17:09 GMT
#4787
I wonder if this muta metagame change, will tilt morrow for tomorrow?
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 21 2010 17:10 GMT
#4788
The ZvT saga continues! I hope it gets to an ace game, and also that we get to see some long macro games toMorrow.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Cashout
Profile Joined May 2010
115 Posts
August 21 2010 17:10 GMT
#4789
On August 22 2010 02:06 Altsa wrote:
Well, finally terrans cant just make one thor and think hes save from mutas...

they never were, zergs were just too busy whining that searching the solution which apparently was already known for quiet some time (one of the resons no terran in this event went pure mech)
mufin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States616 Posts
August 21 2010 17:10 GMT
#4790
what is that song in the alienware ad??? its driving me nuts!
I only make 5 actions per minute. But since I use all my time deliberating and planning, my 5 actions are so brutally devastating that children cry out and grown men weep.
Therick
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway324 Posts
August 21 2010 17:10 GMT
#4791
On August 22 2010 02:06 Sqq wrote:
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On August 22 2010 02:02 Kurumi wrote:
1.Spam one unit 2.Abuse bug in case player gets thors 3.??? 4. Win.
I don't like it. I am a Zerg player,but winning with one unit? Seriously?

Stop feeling sorry for Tharson. He played shit and you know it.

See what happens when IdrA starts pressuring a Terran ? They fall completly on their ass because they have never experienced that before. They are used to controling the game, IdrA takes the game to them, and Tarson paniced.

Dude, have some respect...

also, maybe zerg was overpowered all the time, and terrans are the weak ones? herp derp
Lift. Laugh. Love. <3
nicke10
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden114 Posts
August 21 2010 17:10 GMT
#4792
"It's not that I'm dumb, I'm just Neural Parasited by a retarded Infestor." - Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
August 21 2010 17:10 GMT
#4793
On August 22 2010 02:07 dcemuser wrote:
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On August 22 2010 02:06 Sqq wrote:
Stop feeling sorry for Tharson. He played shit and you know it.


Way. to. be. an. ass.
Seriously. Have some respect for the players.


Cry me a river pansy ass. I'm not gonna step toe around it. If they played bad they played bad, end of discussion. Its called opinions and if i have it I have it ? Do you want an emotionless game ? If you want fuck off.

User was temp banned for this post.
Dead girls don't say no.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
August 21 2010 17:10 GMT
#4794
On August 22 2010 02:07 shrinkmaster wrote:
When one player devotes his full resources to air while another player only devotes half his resources to anti-air, then obviously the first player will win, if their macro is equal.


qtf

this is exactly why starcraft is starcraft, there are no hard counters where you can just build one unit that counters the whole army of your opponent; if he goes mass-air + support you have to go mass-anti-air + support; just adding "some" anti-air-units won't be enough
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
August 21 2010 17:10 GMT
#4795
On August 22 2010 02:08 avilo wrote:
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On August 22 2010 02:06 ironchef wrote:
Nice job idra!

Thats a prime reason why we need to stop spamming our sc2 forums with useless stuff. There was a thread on the muta v thor spread since mid beta and tons havent seen it. Good info is getting drowned by gossip and whines.

Anyway, to be fair its not super common yet and he did it on a huge stage so big respect to idra. Its one thing to know a theory, its another to practice and execute it in a big game.



ACtually, tons of people did see it, but they preferred to think they were so RIGHT in their own balance and skill assessments of the game, that a lot of Zerg refused to consider muta versus thor mech at all.

it was said many, many, many times over the course of beta that mutas were good against thors with spread, but once one top tier zerg player complains and whines that the match-up is broken, the rest simply start to jump on the bandwagon refusing to try things in the game.

it happens.


True...this is why I'm glad that Blizz doesn't just change shit based on whine and is actually taking their time putting out balance patches. All of a sudden pure mech looks pretty weak when it was considered "unbeatable" by all the armchair warriors on these forums about a month ago.
kataa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom384 Posts
August 21 2010 17:11 GMT
#4796
That mass muta game was so awesome. I just can't believe people seem so surprised when mutas eat up a mech army that way. I think it has to do with SC1 players being inclined to try and mimic SC1 micro with the mutas, which is really counter productive against thors, as oppose to exploiting the auto-spread mechanics.

I don't think there's anything I enjoy more than watching 20+ mutas eat a mech army alive.
Galleon.frigate
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada721 Posts
August 21 2010 17:11 GMT
#4797
grats to tarson and idra

I'm glad to see the anti thor micro in a game, but those were ideal conditions, no marines, not enough thors, as tarson was expecting a ground swtich ffom idra.

still though if t has to put more gas into thors there may not be enough tanks to stop the bane on the marines... so this might be breakthrough that z needs... we'll see what we see.
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
August 21 2010 17:11 GMT
#4798
On August 22 2010 02:05 Rakasha wrote:
Nice technique, it will dominate for a while. After terran will adapt and it will be back at finding something else, it's fun to see those game. gg Idra and Tarson.


Why would it dominate? MorroW handles mutas well and in a manner that will not be effected by this technique.

I
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
August 21 2010 17:11 GMT
#4799
Tarson loses because thors were the only aa he gets
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
August 21 2010 17:11 GMT
#4800
I feel bad when people compare idra to jaedong. Jaedong can micro 2 muta groups in sc1. Jaedong has killed entire proteams with his stare. Idra is winning against foreigners in sc2, while skilled, he is no jaedong.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
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