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KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
August 19 2010 17:36 GMT
#2061
On August 20 2010 02:34 Deathstar wrote:
I'm reading posts that TLO is playing Zerg instead of Terran against Morrow. Is this true? :"D

Day9 said this but I think we have to wait until toMORROW!^^
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DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
August 19 2010 17:37 GMT
#2062
On August 20 2010 02:34 araged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 02:32 DrainX wrote:
On August 20 2010 02:28 kar1181 wrote:
On August 20 2010 02:26 vyyye wrote:
On August 20 2010 02:26 Shika wrote:
DIMAGA - IdrA final possible. I personally would love to see that!

You want a ZvZ for the finals? Really? :|


Well if it's TvT, Blizzard may need to hotfix the int overflow for the game timer ZvZ may be ugly, but at least it's quick.

TvT is long and ugly.

TvT is by far the most interesting mirror matchup imo. It was some time since it moved away from only viking/tank.


You haven't seen today's games I take it? )

Seeing those tanks sieged few pixels from each other's range and tons of marauder viking and medivac sure seemd not stale at all.

Check out TLO vs BratOK from a few days ago.



Also there are a lot of players favoring marauders and banshees now compared to the earlier pure tank/viking. This was seen in todays games. Tank battles using sight range advantage can be interesting too. It is also very map dependent. On steppes of war there are some very nice positions for tanks so they will obviously be used more there than on other maps.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
August 19 2010 17:37 GMT
#2063
On August 20 2010 02:34 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 02:32 thesighter wrote:
Is it standard practice to allow a player like TLO to choose his own race through the tourney?
I thought that you had to choose a race or random, and stick with it.



Personally I'm fine with this. Also it gives his opponents the advantage of knowing what race he will play as opposed to if he goes random.


It probably depends on the specific tournament rules whether race switching is allowed at all, but I would think he had to announce it beforehand. Although, Day9's comment imo seemed like speculation.
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Pezo
Profile Joined August 2010
England156 Posts
August 19 2010 17:37 GMT
#2064
On August 20 2010 02:34 Deathstar wrote:
I'm reading posts that TLO is playing Zerg instead of Terran against Morrow. Is this true? :"D


Not quite sure why he would need to. Morrow is strong at TvT's but TLO has already won all his games as Terran and Morrow has already lost a TvT (To Tarson i think) so.....
dolpiff
Profile Joined June 2010
France300 Posts
August 19 2010 17:37 GMT
#2065
but I think we have to wait until toMORROW!^^

haha great pun
GiantHandBanana
Profile Joined April 2010
United States51 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 17:38:34
August 19 2010 17:38 GMT
#2066
On August 20 2010 02:34 Deathstar wrote:
I'm reading posts that TLO is playing Zerg instead of Terran against Morrow. Is this true? :"D

Day9 heard that TLO would play zerg if he was facing a terran, it's not official.

EDIT: lol sorry for the 4th or 5th duplicate response.
GreatestThreat
Profile Joined May 2010
United States631 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 17:40:27
August 19 2010 17:38 GMT
#2067
On August 20 2010 02:32 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 02:31 GreatestThreat wrote:
I actually feel quite bad for the protoss players now, but hopefully this tournament will finally put to rest all the talk of ZvT imbalance. Tomorrow should be an absolute goldmine of replays for demonstrating arguments of balance or lack thereof.


The results of one tournament won't in any way shut down all the imbalance talk. Who are you kidding?


A quarterfinals with 8 of the worlds top SC2 pro players, in 4 ZvT matches, BO3/5?

If zerg AT LEAST wrecks shit equal to terran than everybody better shut the fuck up. Other than a few tweaks here and there that I'm sure Blizzard can manage fine on their own without a million zerg players a day bitching and threatening to switch races.

You guys make me ashamed to be a zerg player with all the pissing and moaning. People like Dimaga and IdrA have earned the right to discuss balance, and today they kicked ass regardless.

/rant. Sorry I've been needing to get that out for awhile.
"I'm ethereal! My children are legion, serial! They stick to my skin like beloved cysts... I TEAR AWAY WITH MY NAILS AND TEETH AND FISTS!"
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
August 19 2010 17:40 GMT
#2068
Tlo really has guts. as the rest of the zergs are fleeing to terran and other races hes ready to stand by his imbalance claim and win vs any of the 4 other terrans in zvt. cant imagine what kind of monstrous zerg play hes developed from playing madfrog.

pretty much after every game with strong zergs we've seen him radically change his zvt, with alot of influence from losses to sen. cant wait to see if TLO will use that 12 hatch build we've seen lately. or if his infestor ling fast hive has moved on to something more malicious. heck he might even go low econ or do some obnoxious burrow harass and just outmultitask his opponents to death
deo.deo
Profile Joined April 2010
135 Posts
August 19 2010 17:40 GMT
#2069
On August 20 2010 02:36 Squeegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 02:30 deo.deo wrote:
On August 20 2010 02:27 Slow Motion wrote:
Idra calls someone else gay: "lolol so true what a badass for speaking his mind, terran so gay what a bunch of fags"

Demuslim calls his own build gay in self-deprecating way: "how unprofessional and disrespectful this guy is trash"


very true


Demuslim never, ever acknowledges his opponent for beating him. It's always him not playing to his potential. That's why I don't like the guy at all.


might be true, but take a closer look at idra, acting like a 12year old every time he gets beat.

but still people worshiping him ... I guess that just part of the whole internet culture.
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
August 19 2010 17:41 GMT
#2070
On August 20 2010 02:40 T0fuuu wrote:
Tlo really has guts. as the rest of the zergs are fleeing to terran and other races hes ready to stand by his imbalance claim and win vs any of the 4 other terrans in zvt. cant imagine what kind of monstrous zerg play hes developed from playing madfrog.

pretty much after every game with strong zergs we've seen him radically change his zvt, with alot of influence from losses to sen. cant wait to see if TLO will use that 12 hatch build we've seen lately. or if his infestor ling fast hive has moved on to something more malicious. heck he might even go low econ or do some obnoxious burrow harass and just outmultitask his opponents to death

or get completely destroyed.
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
August 19 2010 17:41 GMT
#2071
Where can I watch the games from day 2? I missed everything.
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
thesighter
Profile Joined July 2010
United States347 Posts
August 19 2010 17:41 GMT
#2072
On August 20 2010 02:38 GreatestThreat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 02:32 nam nam wrote:
On August 20 2010 02:31 GreatestThreat wrote:
I actually feel quite bad for the protoss players now, but hopefully this tournament will finally put to rest all the talk of ZvT imbalance. Tomorrow should be an absolute goldmine of replays for demonstrating arguments of balance or lack thereof.


The results of one tournament won't in any way shut down all the imbalance talk. Who are you kidding?


A quarterfinals with 8 of the worlds top SC2 pro players, in 4 ZvT matches, BO3/5?

If zerg AT LEAST wrecks shit equal to terran than everybody better shut the fuck up. Other than a few tweaks here and there that I'm sure Blizzard can manage fine on their own without a million zerg players a day bitching and threatening to switch races.

You guys make me ashamed to be a zerg player with all the pissing and moaning. People like Dimaga and IdrA have earned the right to discuss balance, and today they kicked ass regardless.


idra and dimaga both believe that tvz is inbalanced. so no I dont think people will shut up.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
August 19 2010 17:42 GMT
#2073
On August 20 2010 02:38 GreatestThreat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 02:32 nam nam wrote:
On August 20 2010 02:31 GreatestThreat wrote:
I actually feel quite bad for the protoss players now, but hopefully this tournament will finally put to rest all the talk of ZvT imbalance. Tomorrow should be an absolute goldmine of replays for demonstrating arguments of balance or lack thereof.


The results of one tournament won't in any way shut down all the imbalance talk. Who are you kidding?


A quarterfinals with 8 of the worlds top SC2 pro players, in 4 ZvT matches, BO3/5?

If zerg AT LEAST wrecks shit equal to terran than everybody better shut the fuck up. Other than a few tweaks here and there that I'm sure Blizzard can manage fine on their own without a million zerg players a day bitching and threatening to switch races.

You guys make me ashamed to be a zerg player with all the pissing and moaning. People like Dimaga and IdrA have earned the right to discuss balance, and today they kicked ass regardless.

/rant. Sorry I've been needing to get that out for awhile.


I have not said anything about balance, all I'm saying is that the results of this tournament won't shut people up no matter how much you want it to. That is just the reality of the situation.
Cranberries
Profile Joined July 2010
Wales567 Posts
August 19 2010 17:42 GMT
#2074
On August 20 2010 02:36 Squeegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 02:30 deo.deo wrote:
On August 20 2010 02:27 Slow Motion wrote:
Idra calls someone else gay: "lolol so true what a badass for speaking his mind, terran so gay what a bunch of fags"

Demuslim calls his own build gay in self-deprecating way: "how unprofessional and disrespectful this guy is trash"


very true


Demuslim never, ever acknowledges his opponent for beating him. It's always him not playing to his potential. That's why I don't like the guy at all. I'm going to admit though that I don't know what he specifically called gay this time. So maybe people are making a fuss out of nothing this time.


"Idra played very well and deserved to win"

That's not acknowledging his opponent?
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
August 19 2010 17:43 GMT
#2075
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing some high-level ZvZ play in this tournament. I've read some about how that matchup is supposed to be played but somehow I really can't figure it out. Seems like a really big coin-toss for me personally. Would love to see some real pro's handling it to learn something about it
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shlomo
Profile Joined May 2010
258 Posts
August 19 2010 17:43 GMT
#2076
On August 20 2010 02:38 GreatestThreat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 02:32 nam nam wrote:
On August 20 2010 02:31 GreatestThreat wrote:
I actually feel quite bad for the protoss players now, but hopefully this tournament will finally put to rest all the talk of ZvT imbalance. Tomorrow should be an absolute goldmine of replays for demonstrating arguments of balance or lack thereof.


The results of one tournament won't in any way shut down all the imbalance talk. Who are you kidding?


A quarterfinals with 8 of the worlds top SC2 pro players, in 4 ZvT matches, BO3/5?

If zerg AT LEAST wrecks shit equal to terran than everybody better shut the fuck up. Other than a few tweaks here and there that I'm sure Blizzard can manage fine on their own without a million zerg players a day bitching and threatening to switch races.

You guys make me ashamed to be a zerg player with all the pissing and moaning. People like Dimaga and IdrA have earned the right to discuss balance, and today they kicked ass regardless.

/rant. Sorry I've been needing to get that out for awhile.


Lol, so because a player like IdrA practicing twelve hours a day in a korean pro team can play Zerg better than others who could probably be considered semi-casual compared to him, that means there's no problem with ZvT?

Give us a break, IdrA is just a far better player who has had much more training time than most challengers.
Siffer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States467 Posts
August 19 2010 17:44 GMT
#2077
Morrow > TLO
Demuslim > Dimaga
Tarson > Madfrog
Idra > Sarens

------

Morrow > Demuslim
Idra > Tarson

----

Idra > Morrow
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 17:45:43
August 19 2010 17:44 GMT
#2078
On August 20 2010 02:37 Pezo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 02:34 Deathstar wrote:
I'm reading posts that TLO is playing Zerg instead of Terran against Morrow. Is this true? :"D


Not quite sure why he would need to. Morrow is strong at TvT's but TLO has already won all his games as Terran and Morrow has already lost a TvT (To Tarson i think) so.....


If you look back at the last tournaments Morrow have played, he's been tearing it up TvT. The reason he lost against Tarson (according to Morrow himself) was that he had never seen that opening before and it countered his own very well. I don't believe he will make that same mistakes again. Sure TLO could win TvT against him, but I still think it's a wise decision to play zerg for him.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 19 2010 17:45 GMT
#2079
On August 20 2010 02:38 GreatestThreat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 02:32 nam nam wrote:
On August 20 2010 02:31 GreatestThreat wrote:
I actually feel quite bad for the protoss players now, but hopefully this tournament will finally put to rest all the talk of ZvT imbalance. Tomorrow should be an absolute goldmine of replays for demonstrating arguments of balance or lack thereof.


The results of one tournament won't in any way shut down all the imbalance talk. Who are you kidding?


A quarterfinals with 8 of the worlds top SC2 pro players, in 4 ZvT matches, BO3/5?

If zerg AT LEAST wrecks shit equal to terran than everybody better shut the fuck up. Other than a few tweaks here and there that I'm sure Blizzard can manage fine on their own without a million zerg players a day bitching and threatening to switch races.

You guys make me ashamed to be a zerg player with all the pissing and moaning. People like Dimaga and IdrA have earned the right to discuss balance, and today they kicked ass regardless.

/rant. Sorry I've been needing to get that out for awhile.

Couple of things. First of all, being great at a game, while it gives you some merit to discuss things because you understand the game better, doesn't mean you're good at talking about balance and being unbiased about it. In fact, often times with American players, the opposite is true.

Second, the performance of IdrA/Dimaga in this tournament aren't indicative of the state of balance. It's not like all the players at this tournament are on the same level or even near it. There's a clear skill distinctions among the players in this tournament. Today's and yesterday's games were proof enough of that.
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
August 19 2010 17:46 GMT
#2080
On August 20 2010 02:41 thesighter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 02:38 GreatestThreat wrote:
On August 20 2010 02:32 nam nam wrote:
On August 20 2010 02:31 GreatestThreat wrote:
I actually feel quite bad for the protoss players now, but hopefully this tournament will finally put to rest all the talk of ZvT imbalance. Tomorrow should be an absolute goldmine of replays for demonstrating arguments of balance or lack thereof.


The results of one tournament won't in any way shut down all the imbalance talk. Who are you kidding?


A quarterfinals with 8 of the worlds top SC2 pro players, in 4 ZvT matches, BO3/5?

If zerg AT LEAST wrecks shit equal to terran than everybody better shut the fuck up. Other than a few tweaks here and there that I'm sure Blizzard can manage fine on their own without a million zerg players a day bitching and threatening to switch races.

You guys make me ashamed to be a zerg player with all the pissing and moaning. People like Dimaga and IdrA have earned the right to discuss balance, and today they kicked ass regardless.


idra and dimaga both believe that tvz is inbalanced. so no I dont think people will shut up.


if tlo wins the finals in zvt then ppl wont shuttup either. no matter how many times he gets interviewed abt it.

by the same measure if idra or another zerg loses the finals in a zvz, theres a good chance hes gonna say the matchup is shit and it was all baneling luck.

Either way theres gonna be complaining if a zerg gets to the finals.
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