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Smuft
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Canada318 Posts
April 06 2010 06:27 GMT
#741
2 schools of thought here:

1) Starcraft Players

It's all about skill, pride, and being the best. Everything else comes 2nd to proving you're better than the next guy. I think this is generally what competitive gaming is all about.

2) Poker Players / Gamblers

They think more objectively and in terms of money and expectation. Pride and proving you are the best are sentiments you often need to leave behind to be a successful poker player.

So it's pretty easy to see why almost invariably every poker player understands the raise from 500 to 5k as just another objective decision and why a lot of starcraft players see it as a cowardly dodge.

To further illustrate this point from the perspective of a gambler I will offer a story from the most recent season of high stakes poker where Tom Dwan proposed a 500k vegetarian bet to Phil Ivey stating that if Ivey could go 1 year without eating any meat he'd win 500k off of Dwan. Would you become a vegetarian for a year if I paid you 500k? Of course you would, so would I. But Phil Ivey would not, it wasn't worth it to him and he countered by raising to 2 million dollars. 2 million was an amount large enough to motivate Ivey to become a vegetarian for a year while 500k was not enough. Similarly $500 is not an amount large enough to motivate me to practice 8 hours a day 30 games a day for a week but $5000 would have been.

Indeed, Idra is a worthy opponent and I wouldn't risk my pride as a starcraft player or my money as a gambler without giving myself serious preparation time. Afterall, Idra is a CJ pro gamer and his life is currently dedicated to this game; he's playing 8+ hours / 30+ games per day. Meanwhile I've been kinda busy gambling and organizing SC2 tourneys. When you take all of this into consideration, it's not really fair for anyone to expect a serious match or even a fair one at the drop of a hat.

Furthermore, this grudge match, it's terms, and whether or not both parties accept have nothing to do with my initial point that Idra is not the undefeatable player he's making himself out to be. Despite what some people have posted I never stated that I am currently more competitively viable than Idra and only cited a few of his recent losses and our win rate to prove the point that Idra is not an undefeatable player and in fact quite far from it. Yes, CauthonLuck did beat Idra 3-1, yes Fayth recently beat Idra in a ladder game, yes lzgamer has beaten Idra numerous times, and yes I did have a ~75% win rate vs Idra in season 1. None of these facts are up for question and this bo5 challenge of idra's was just his desperate response to hold onto the notion that he really is as great as he thinks he is.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
April 06 2010 06:39 GMT
#742
you were free points before the warp gate allin came out. and you definitely were good at warp gate rushes (vs z and p, you still couldnt beat a good t to save your life). but then they patched warp gates and now you dont play anymore.
shockingly i do indeed lose games once in a while. then i 7-0ed a series of matches you guys wanted to bet on and now im not allowed to play anymore.

anyway, you said youd do it for 5k, theres people willing to back it. what conditions you want?
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Hevad Khan
Profile Joined May 2009
United States158 Posts
April 06 2010 06:42 GMT
#743
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god
Smuft
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Canada318 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-06 06:53:03
April 06 2010 06:46 GMT
#744
1. 1 week of practice
2. all money in hands of trusted 3rd party
3. no casters, no observers
4. I think we can both trust we're honorable enough gamers to not have to worry about anything like hacking so recording software wont be necessary?
5. races and map format should be chosen beforehand

I'm pretty motivated to play poker atm and will be doing that for a few days. I can begin practicing next week and we can play <=7 days after that.

Everything sound good?
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 06 2010 06:49 GMT
#745
idra has a PS account for money transfers ?
Hevad Khan
Profile Joined May 2009
United States158 Posts
April 06 2010 06:50 GMT
#746
I'll be taking allbets at 2:1 odds, I have smuft.
Pacifist
Profile Joined October 2003
Israel1683 Posts
April 06 2010 06:52 GMT
#747
On April 06 2010 15:50 Hevad Khan wrote:
I'll be taking allbets at 2:1 odds, I have smuft.


Why would anyone do that when they can currently just back Idra at 1:1 odds
Riding a bike is overrated.
Pacifist
Profile Joined October 2003
Israel1683 Posts
April 06 2010 06:53 GMT
#748
BTW I'm willing to put up 500$ to back Idra as well.
Riding a bike is overrated.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 06 2010 06:53 GMT
#749
1k left o_o
MezmerizePLZ
Profile Joined April 2009
United States30 Posts
April 06 2010 06:55 GMT
#750
going 7-0 believe it or not has nothing to do with why you can't play anymore
Hevad Khan
Profile Joined May 2009
United States158 Posts
April 06 2010 06:57 GMT
#751
mez u like idra? ill put up 5k to win 10k i got smuft
MezmerizePLZ
Profile Joined April 2009
United States30 Posts
April 06 2010 07:00 GMT
#752
nah i don't think im gonna bet khan, i'll just put up the 1k i offered on idra, anyway talk on aim if we're gonna discuss it no need to do it here
Hevad Khan
Profile Joined May 2009
United States158 Posts
April 06 2010 07:02 GMT
#753
I would if you ever signed on! LOL
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
April 06 2010 07:08 GMT
#754
i think day9 should cast it.. with a delayed stream (or atlest the replays right after the game is played) !!
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
April 06 2010 07:09 GMT
#755
i only have paypal but my friend can send money on pokerstars for me.
everything sounds good. i cant play from april 14-21st anytime after that should be fine.
ill be z for everything, how should we pick maps? is there a neutral map we can agree on and then just pick 2 each?

http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Smuft
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Canada318 Posts
April 06 2010 07:10 GMT
#756
Reps after all matches are played, not before.
aLt)nirvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Singapore846 Posts
April 06 2010 07:11 GMT
#757
yay this is going to be awesome!

no casters/observers but will the replays be released or will vods be produced?
epic grudgematch needs epic coverage imo!
sc2sea.com - The SEA / ANZ community
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 06 2010 07:14 GMT
#758
hot damn, =D

best storyline so far of SC2, should be very exciting.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Smuft
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Canada318 Posts
April 06 2010 07:16 GMT
#759
Lotem is the neutral map
Let's make it 3 maps total including lotem and we each vote down 2 maps, you can go first.

Smuft
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Canada318 Posts
April 06 2010 07:19 GMT
#760
Man, can't I just host a tournament in peace? Why does it have to turn into a 10k grudge match?

sickest life
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