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nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-14 02:40:36
August 14 2022 02:34 GMT
#1
Often I decide on a general style of play in all matchups when i fire up the ladder for a 1-2hr session (Macro vs aggressive).

I feel like whenever I play more macro oriented, my PvT winrate plummets, and PvZ skyrockets. When I play more aggressive, PvT skyrockets, PvZ plummets. I have a very good win rate in PvP regardless of style. Does this happen to anyone else? It's a subjective 'feeling' and I just want to throw it out there and see if anyone else feels the same way...

All I need is a good set of PvT macro builds and I could take my game to mid-Master, and I know this because my PvZ and PvP beat mid-masters players at least 50% of the time when we practice.

(Technically this also means I need to get better at PvZ cheese but not too worried about that, my macro builds in PvZ are very solid.)

So far in my PvT:
I strongly prefer to open stalker in PvT, and so I generally go Blink+Obs with 6 initial stalkers and try out many transitions at the 3rd base timing. None are working particularly well. I also have been successful with a hyper greedy variant (3stalker => Charge + Obs => 3 more stalker => zealots + immo + fast storm) but only if they are passive. By far my favorite style is mass gateways into charge+storm with 2 forge, but i either crush or get crushed, its not a consistent winner.

I admit I have a big aversion to stargate in PvT. If possible I want builds that don't rely on stargate too much, but if that is the only choice, then I'll practice it...it seems way too fragile to me, and amazing vs harass but bad vs concentrated attacks.
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AusProbe
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia235 Posts
August 15 2022 00:12 GMT
#2
A replay would help. I'd be able to provide way more specific and tailored advice.

What it is you are describing sounds fine to do. Just a guess based on you seeming to die to timing attacks, but I would suggest working on your gateway timings. You can cut workers at let's say 50, to add up to the 8 gateways. From there you need to warp in zealots consistently.

So let's say you open 2 gate blink robo. Take a nicely timed third, get the observer across the map. If you scout tanks you want to build only 1 sentry and go straight templar archives. If they attack, you want 2 archons and don't get storm until you hold. If they have a third base you can go storm first.

If not tanks, 3 sentries is good.

After you hold a push go 5 gas storm, and as you get active on the map transition into 2 robo colo. This is all essentially the basics to play blink into charge.

All this ignores any earlier 2 base pressure they can do, so if that is any issue lmk.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
August 16 2022 01:55 GMT
#3
Thanks Probe. Doing so many things wrong (little things but they definitely add up)...the video helps a lot.
Founder of Flow Enterprises, LLC http://flow-enterprises.com/
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
August 16 2022 21:10 GMT
#4
This video basically solved my early-mid game problems. LOL
Founder of Flow Enterprises, LLC http://flow-enterprises.com/
AusProbe
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia235 Posts
August 17 2022 19:13 GMT
#5
Too easy :D
Mjolnir.
Profile Joined October 2021
18 Posts
August 24 2022 00:09 GMT
#6
so great post video! thank you!!

do u have something like that pvz? thankxs in advance!
AusProbe
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia235 Posts
August 26 2022 00:49 GMT
#7
There is plenty of content out there for PvZ, so if you have something specific I can better help answer.
Agh
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1054 Posts
August 26 2022 07:58 GMT
#8
If your execution is reasonably good I think you can go Oracle into quick blink and win most of your games up to GM level at least. Just never risk losing an oracle and aim to snipe the stim tech lab with your first swell of stalkers and blink. (diverting attention with oracles is a good skill toi have)

You can play it multiple ways, but the cheesy proxy gate style is comically effective.


I feel like it's one of the few builds in sc2 due to the way the meta is that leaves you with the feeling that this is 'your game to lose' which is a refreshing feeling.



I have typically frowned upon play like this is the past (especially for ladder) but since it isn't a coinflip gambit and just up to your execution, you can improve and learn a lot from every game.
I may appear to be an emotionless sarcastic pos, but just like an onion when you pull off more and more layers you find the exact same thing everytime and you start crying
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