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Pillowpants117
Profile Joined April 2011
33 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-18 13:06:34
May 18 2016 12:49 GMT
#41
On May 14 2016 14:04 PiGStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 09:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Absolute must in SC1 and 2. Watch God at 15:30


Holy crap that VoD. It's exactly these messy situations where you absorb wave after wave of insane aggression and harassment that require the camera locations. The constant running of scvs to different bases in an instant and splitting his units up is so sick. There's many ways you can play a style that specifically avoids you getting into these situations. A lot of the players who talk about how unimportant location hotkeys are those whom play an aggressive and timing-attack oriented style.


Not using location hotkeys with an aggressive style must be true, as thats the only way i play. For example my standard tvz opening is Proxy 2 rax marines/bunkers, bunker at rax if they pool first, gas at the same time for some tank drops from wherever they push me too (it won't be far, worst case scenario I end up with a qxc bunker to work from near my rax).

Tvp I just mass bio on 5 rax w off reaper expo and pull just a few boys to overwhelm them. I attempt to contain them to 2 bases and show the power of the mule.

Tvt is hate. Rush tank drop and vikings off 1 base.

I'm never defending...Except in Tvp, toss can attack first no matter what i do, so I rush a widow mine first on case of Oracle or something it makes defense so easy.
Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
456 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-18 15:06:39
May 18 2016 15:06 GMT
#42
On May 18 2016 21:49 Pillowpants117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 14:04 PiGStarcraft wrote:
On May 05 2016 09:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Absolute must in SC1 and 2. Watch God at 15:30
http://youtu.be/0qDav56q_Ec


Holy crap that VoD. It's exactly these messy situations where you absorb wave after wave of insane aggression and harassment that require the camera locations. The constant running of scvs to different bases in an instant and splitting his units up is so sick. There's many ways you can play a style that specifically avoids you getting into these situations. A lot of the players who talk about how unimportant location hotkeys are those whom play an aggressive and timing-attack oriented style.


Not using location hotkeys with an aggressive style must be true, as thats the only way i play. For example my standard tvz opening is Proxy 2 rax marines/bunkers, bunker at rax if they pool first, gas at the same time for some tank drops from wherever they push me too (it won't be far, worst case scenario I end up with a qxc bunker to work from near my rax).

Tvp I just mass bio on 5 rax w off reaper expo and pull just a few boys to overwhelm them. I attempt to contain them to 2 bases and show the power of the mule.

Tvt is hate. Rush tank drop and vikings off 1 base.

I'm never defending...Except in Tvp, toss can attack first no matter what i do, so I rush a widow mine first on case of Oracle or something it makes defense so easy.


so you're not great, as those strategies are all subpar and uncapable of winning vs capable opponents, and stopped learning, practicing and improving to become a more skilled & well-rounded player capable of executing proper strategies.

why you telling us this?
Pillowpants117
Profile Joined April 2011
33 Posts
May 18 2016 20:07 GMT
#43
On May 19 2016 00:06 Comedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2016 21:49 Pillowpants117 wrote:
On May 14 2016 14:04 PiGStarcraft wrote:
On May 05 2016 09:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Absolute must in SC1 and 2. Watch God at 15:30
http://youtu.be/0qDav56q_Ec


Holy crap that VoD. It's exactly these messy situations where you absorb wave after wave of insane aggression and harassment that require the camera locations. The constant running of scvs to different bases in an instant and splitting his units up is so sick. There's many ways you can play a style that specifically avoids you getting into these situations. A lot of the players who talk about how unimportant location hotkeys are those whom play an aggressive and timing-attack oriented style.


Not using location hotkeys with an aggressive style must be true, as thats the only way i play. For example my standard tvz opening is Proxy 2 rax marines/bunkers, bunker at rax if they pool first, gas at the same time for some tank drops from wherever they push me too (it won't be far, worst case scenario I end up with a qxc bunker to work from near my rax).

Tvp I just mass bio on 5 rax w off reaper expo and pull just a few boys to overwhelm them. I attempt to contain them to 2 bases and show the power of the mule.

Tvt is hate. Rush tank drop and vikings off 1 base.

I'm never defending...Except in Tvp, toss can attack first no matter what i do, so I rush a widow mine first on case of Oracle or something it makes defense so easy.


so you're not great, as those strategies are all subpar and uncapable of winning vs capable opponents, and stopped learning, practicing and improving to become a more skilled & well-rounded player capable of executing proper strategies.

why you telling us this?


Lol easily can get gm with like any build if you play it well.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24193 Posts
May 18 2016 21:04 GMT
#44
Never managed to use them and maybe it holds me back a bit. Though as others pointed out quite a lot of really excellent players don't use them.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
May 19 2016 00:00 GMT
#45
I could not possibly imagine playing this game without camera locations. I have Shift + (F1 - F7) to set and F1-F7 to recall. In addition I made ~ (tilde) a camera location dedicated to army rallies.

When you use camera locations long enough you don't have to think about using them. You move with them as though they are second nature to you. Managing your bases and defense is effortless.

Look at it like this:

Momentary pain and discomfort for a lifetime of nimbleness. Your fingers will be quick and expressive like never before! Gain more manual control and efficiency than you've ever had.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
May 19 2016 13:25 GMT
#46
3. They give unique features but aren't necessary.

I'm talking exclusively about Zerg tho.

Life didn't use location hotkeys but bound his queens instead to use the doube tap queen inject method and he was still OP af.

I do think it should be either the double tap queen inject method or location hotkeys for injects though as other methods take too much time. I guess spacebar/backspace injects are fine for midgame when your economy is set, but it's not for the early game.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
May 19 2016 13:43 GMT
#47
On May 19 2016 22:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
3. They give unique features but aren't necessary.

I'm talking exclusively about Zerg tho.

Life didn't use location hotkeys but bound his queens instead to use the doube tap queen inject method and he was still OP af.

I do think it should be either the double tap queen inject method or location hotkeys for injects though as other methods take too much time. I guess spacebar/backspace injects are fine for midgame when your economy is set, but it's not for the early game.

Are you saying that life didn't use location hotkeys at all?? Or that he didn't use them for inject?

I find the first one hard to believe, to the extent that I'll ask you for a source. The second I'm perfectly fine with.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
May 19 2016 14:06 GMT
#48
I don't think he used them at all
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Aegwynn
Profile Joined September 2015
Italy460 Posts
May 19 2016 16:29 GMT
#49
On May 19 2016 22:43 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2016 22:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
3. They give unique features but aren't necessary.

I'm talking exclusively about Zerg tho.

Life didn't use location hotkeys but bound his queens instead to use the doube tap queen inject method and he was still OP af.

I do think it should be either the double tap queen inject method or location hotkeys for injects though as other methods take too much time. I guess spacebar/backspace injects are fine for midgame when your economy is set, but it's not for the early game.

Are you saying that life didn't use location hotkeys at all?? Or that he didn't use them for inject?

I find the first one hard to believe, to the extent that I'll ask you for a source. The second I'm perfectly fine with.



he never used camera locations
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
May 20 2016 04:38 GMT
#50
This may sound a bit off, but that makes me lose a lot of respect for life! Imagine what he could've done with proper hotkey use!

Thanks for source though.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-20 11:34:35
May 20 2016 11:32 GMT
#51
On May 20 2016 13:38 Cascade wrote:
This may sound a bit off, but that makes me lose a lot of respect for life! Imagine what he could've done with proper hotkey use!

Thanks for source though.

Yeah the source was that vid. ^^ But it really shouldn't make you lose respect. In fact, it should give you hope. Shows that the method doesn't really matter to be good at the game so long as you're comfortable with it. For example, we lambast the rapid fire inject method in high level play but Soulkey actually uses it. Also, the double tap queen inject method makes you spend less time in your base which is why Life is so good at micro and which is what makes his games super interesting to watch. So there is no "proper" hotkey use. There's just hotkey use that you feel comfortable with. Also, if the fact that he used a less common hotkey system was what let him improve in other aspects to be a world class player, that should be motivational.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
0mg_t1red
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation104 Posts
May 20 2016 11:45 GMT
#52
I use camera locations for my main my nautral and 3rd base, however, i changed them from f1 f2 f3 etc
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