EPT[D] Importance of using location hotkeys - Page 2
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19229 Posts
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ThunderBum
Australia192 Posts
So my advice is to try and play a vs ai game much faster than you normally do (like 50 - 100% faster than your normal) and see where you fail the most and that's what you can work on to improve your ability to do things quickly when you need to, which is what the keyboard is for really. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
My thought overall is positive; it helps you on some cases and it is not that difficult to learn. I never use that for drop defence, i think clicking on red stuff on the minimap is quicker than thought process of which base you are being attacked. However it is so useful when you are taking a new base / transfering drones... so i recommend it | ||
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SpiritOfChicago
19 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
"I have a life, I don't have time to learn hotkeys" ... "Only try-hards use control groups ... "I'm not planning on going pro, no need for location hotkeys" | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Primelot
51 Posts
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Entropy137
Canada215 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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Pillowpants117
33 Posts
On May 08 2016 03:47 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's some funny poll right there, where the question doesn't match the selected options. yeah they do match. the options are a gradient of how important you think camera locations are. 1 being the least and 5 being the most. The options reflect the same exact thing. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Which such leading answers, and usage of exclamation marks, and colloquial language it just looks like you made the poll to persuade someone to use location hotkeys. Which is all well and fine, but you don't get to just say they the questions and answer match. They don't. It's not disputable. | ||
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Pillowpants117
33 Posts
On May 10 2016 20:17 Dangermousecatdog wrote: See that's the thing, if it was 12345, from not important to very important, it would match. or some variation thereof. Instead you have a bunch of soundbites as options. For instance 123 leads the question by delineating between unit control groups and hotkey groups and 4 has giant capital letters "USE THEM!" and 5 says "literally every GM player uses them!" when it very literally isn't true. Which such leading answers, and usage of exclamation marks, and colloquial language it just looks like you made the poll to persuade someone to use location hotkeys. Which is all well and fine, but you don't get to just say they the questions and answer match. They don't. It's not disputable. You fail to realize that the poll is simple, on a scale from one to five, how important in your opinion camera locations are. The words that go along are just flavor text example of an opinion that someone picking that particular number would hold. It's only to help people visualize and be interested. This should be immediately obvious. Are you really telling me you don't see how number 3's text makes you visualize a person who feels camera locations are more important than someone quoted as saying what you read in number 2 but less so than someone quoted as saying what you read in option 4? Really simple man And yes obviously not all gms use them, the quote would be just an opinion from someone who is evangelical about the use of hotkeys, and may be found spouting off propaganda such as what you read in option 5. It's not meant to be true. It is there for you visualize someone who holds a 5 out of 5 opinion. Is that seriously not obvious?? Lol | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
I'm a masters Terran and I got to masters without them. Currently however I use 2 f3 and f4. I find that location hockey's can be used to speed up building buildings so I usualy hotkey my ramp and my nat early on latter I switch one of these to open space in my main where I want to build production and wherever I want supply walls. If I where better id use them vs warprism drops but I'm not so I just use my reinforcements or hotkeyed units In my main. You can also use them to quickly raise depots vs run byes which is a life saver sometimes. As for looking around I usualy click my minimap or double tap hotkeyed units. If I need to go to one of my bases I use the base hotkey. This way of doing things is not as effecient as cameras but it's more flexible and easier to learn. I also use 9 hotkeys for units+ structures though so I'm probably crazy. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On May 13 2016 16:12 washikie wrote: Personally I think cameras are useful but usefulness varies by race. I think for Protoss especially they are awsome since you can do things like set a camera to your warpin pylon to make reinforcing faster. Or set them to areas in your base for drop defense. For Zerg some people inject with them others use them for creep spread or drop defense. For Terran I think they are helpful but less impactful than mastering using manny unit hotkeys for multi pronged drop harass. still I think players of all races reach gm without ever touching them. Thier something that can make you more effecient but the gains arnt huge in most cases they just save a little apm if your good with them. I'm a masters Terran and I got to masters without them. Currently however I use 2 f3 and f4. I find that location hockey's can be used to speed up building buildings so I usualy hotkey my ramp and my nat early on latter I switch one of these to open space in my main where I want to build production and wherever I want supply walls. If I where better id use them vs warprism drops but I'm not so I just use my reinforcements or hotkeyed units In my main. You can also use them to quickly raise depots vs run byes which is a life saver sometimes. As for looking around I usualy click my minimap or double tap hotkeyed units. It's not as effecient as cameras but it's more flexible. It's of course possible to get to GM without location hotkeys. It is possible to get to GM under a lot of weird restrictions if you so choose. Question is if it would have been easier to reach GM with location hotkeys.  What you didn't mention, which is what I use the most (not said most important) at gold level is to build new expansions and transfer workers quickly. Often when I move out to attack I want to expand behind, and it feels pretty safe to do so if I can go from screen on my army, location to closest base, select worker, location to exp, build exp, double tap army. Without location hotkeys you need to use the minimap twice (first to go to the right base to select a worker, then to go to exp) which can take quite a lot of time if you are not very fast and accurate with the mouse. In the meanwhile horrible things can happen to your army. Same thing goes for worker transfers when you deplete your main or a new expo is up. If you are busy controlling your army or harass or whatever, it is very useful if you can get the transfer done quickly. You're maybe fast enough with the mouse so it doesn't matter if you have to use minimap though. Also, I have moved my location hotkeys to WERT, so I can access them without moving my hand, which makes it even faster (again, with gold-level keyboard skillz). | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
Mechanical advantages like hotkeys allows you to play faster, but that's only important if you're trying to compete with others. First people use simple hotkeys, to make creation of units and buildings more efficient. Then people start using army hotkeys, to make army movement more efficient. Then people start using building hotkeys, to make macro more efficient. If you feel stuck in a tier, as if you can't get faster or more efficient than the MMR hell you are trapped in--and you are not using location hotkeys to get an edge, then its your own fault you're stuck in MMR hell. | ||
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PiGStarcraft
Australia987 Posts
On May 05 2016 09:09 BisuDagger wrote: Absolute must in SC1 and 2. Watch God at 15:30 http://youtu.be/0qDav56q_Ec Holy crap that VoD. It's exactly these messy situations where you absorb wave after wave of insane aggression and harassment that require the camera locations. The constant running of scvs to different bases in an instant and splitting his units up is so sick. There's many ways you can play a style that specifically avoids you getting into these situations. A lot of the players who talk about how unimportant location hotkeys are those whom play an aggressive and timing-attack oriented style. | ||
Jer99
Canada8157 Posts
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Pillowpants117
33 Posts
I just wish the keys were in an easier place to reach lol. Thanks for the idea's to everyone helping. I'm still in diamond at the moment, have been master before. It's painful to try to use location hotkeys for me even still. But I'll keep looking to utilize them And let you know if it's helping in my opinion | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On May 18 2016 09:47 Pillowpants117 wrote: I'm a terran, so my main base doesn't need one since I can double tap my rax. I just wish the keys were in an easier place to reach lol. Thanks for the idea's to everyone helping. I'm still in diamond at the moment, have been master before. It's painful to try to use location hotkeys for me even still. But I'll keep looking to utilize them And let you know if it's helping in my opinion Double tapping rax 1) doesn't always give you vision of your mineral line. 2) changes your selection. I recommend rebinding location hotkeys. I moved mine to WERT. I moved the few hotkeys that used those keys by default down to ASDFZXCV. I'll take some time to relearn, but well worth the time IMO. Play against comp a few times and force yourself to use the location hotkeys. | ||
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