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[G] ZvZ A Nice Safety Opener

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Ch4rlySC2
Profile Joined December 2015
France2 Posts
December 28 2015 16:53 GMT
#1
Hi guys, I present to you a build order that I found in response to 13/12 in ZvZ for those who have trouble at scouting.

Here the build:

ZvZ Safety Opener


13 Overload
17 Pool
17 Hatchery
17 Gas
17 Queen + Zerglings x3 (zerglings will spawn just in time to defend your drones)
22 Safety Spine
21 Safety Baneling Nest
20 Queen (send the first queen to the natural if no incoming aggression)
@~2:35 Speedling (if no aggression) or morph lings into banes (if aggression)

Enjoy !
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
December 28 2015 17:43 GMT
#2
Ye, thanks but i guess that's nothing new cause it's a very safe common opener.
Less is more.
johax
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden165 Posts
December 31 2015 13:03 GMT
#3
guys the pool first has now been invented
SWAAAARM
Profile Joined October 2015
10 Posts
December 31 2015 15:59 GMT
#4
On December 31 2015 22:03 johax wrote:
guys the pool first has now been invented


U definetely don't main zerg
ApBuLLet
Profile Joined September 2010
United States604 Posts
December 31 2015 16:50 GMT
#5
It's nothing groundbreaking and is a pretty common build, but the build is legit.

One thing I would add is that if you are playing vs a zerg that goes hatch first you will immediately be behind. In this case you'd basically be required to all in or hope your opponent screws up and throws away their lead somehow.

I would recommend sending out your first drone as a scout and checking if your opponent is going hatch first. If they are, swap the order of your pool and hatchery and go 17 hatch 17 pool.
Cashling
Profile Joined May 2015
United States49 Posts
December 31 2015 17:47 GMT
#6
On January 01 2016 01:50 ApBuLLet wrote:
It's nothing groundbreaking and is a pretty common build, but the build is legit.

One thing I would add is that if you are playing vs a zerg that goes hatch first you will immediately be behind. In this case you'd basically be required to all in or hope your opponent screws up and throws away their lead somehow.

I would recommend sending out your first drone as a scout and checking if your opponent is going hatch first. If they are, swap the order of your pool and hatchery and go 17 hatch 17 pool.
This is good for lower level play, but drone scouting is absolutely preposterous in plat+ ZvZ, id say just go hatch first and keep a smile on ur face when u get twelve pooled knowing the other player cant play a straight up game, sometimes it can even b held if u see the lings early with an overlord. Safety bane nests win games :D
Diamond 1 Noob, Dark we still love you. <3 twitch.tv/nooblingsc2
alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany628 Posts
December 31 2015 18:32 GMT
#7
undeserving of the [G].
ApBuLLet
Profile Joined September 2010
United States604 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-31 19:12:36
December 31 2015 19:11 GMT
#8
On January 01 2016 02:47 Cashling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2016 01:50 ApBuLLet wrote:
It's nothing groundbreaking and is a pretty common build, but the build is legit.

One thing I would add is that if you are playing vs a zerg that goes hatch first you will immediately be behind. In this case you'd basically be required to all in or hope your opponent screws up and throws away their lead somehow.

I would recommend sending out your first drone as a scout and checking if your opponent is going hatch first. If they are, swap the order of your pool and hatchery and go 17 hatch 17 pool.
This is good for lower level play, but drone scouting is absolutely preposterous in plat+ ZvZ, id say just go hatch first and keep a smile on ur face when u get twelve pooled knowing the other player cant play a straight up game, sometimes it can even b held if u see the lings early with an overlord. Safety bane nests win games :D


I would strongly disagree that drone scouting is not worthwhile in plat or higher. To quote blade55555's ZvZ overview guide...

On December 6 2015 18:56 blade55555 wrote:
The drone scout is based on how you will react once your pool finishes. If your drone scouts a hatchery first, you should make 4 lings, sending 2 to your opponents base. All other larva should be used towards drones (unless opponent is sending over a lot of slow lings). If your drone scouts an early pool you will be making a spine crawler asap in your main mineral line and pump out lings from both hatcheries.


EDIT: Link to the guide here
AkashSky
Profile Joined May 2014
United States257 Posts
December 31 2015 20:34 GMT
#9
On January 01 2016 03:32 alpenrahm wrote:
undeserving of the [G].


I second this.
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