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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On July 09 2013 03:07 Crownlol wrote: I went on a losing streak after blind 3ccing every single game. Back to the early tank. Yeah there are a LOT of Zerg timings/all-ins in the current meta, and I'm sure many players do it blindly. | ||
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SorrowShine
698 Posts
when di i start building roaches? Tnx Never made it to the 3 barrel  until now busting the hell out of terran in Plat league just with 2 | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On July 10 2013 22:29 SorrowShine wrote: Question: if my first 14 lings die. Should i replenish them?? how the build order changes then? when di i start building roaches? Tnx Never made it to the 3 barrel until now busting the hell out of terran in Plat league just with 2I try not to build anything but Drones until full 2-base saturation, but if you lose all the Lings AND he's going hellions, you may want 6-8 lings and/or a spine to be extra safe. In general, try to skip units after the 14 lings. | ||
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HanSomPa
United States87 Posts
On July 10 2013 22:15 TangSC wrote: Yeah there are a LOT of Zerg timings/all-ins in the current meta, and I'm sure many players do it blindly. You can still defend with 3CC against every all-in provided you scout it in time. | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On July 11 2013 20:59 HanSomPa wrote: You can still defend with 3CC against every all-in provided you scout it in time. What about 14/14 baneling bust?  | ||
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SorrowShine
698 Posts
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On July 12 2013 19:09 SorrowShine wrote: If before the second Bust i see 3 Bunkers, 6 mines and bunch of maradeurs (means ive been scouted and he knows whats coming) - should i still try to bust him or better contain? or nydus? The only time I wouldn't bust is if I thought he had WAY too many tanks, making it a complete slaughterfest for Roach/Ling/Bane. Against a mine-heavy defence, sacrifice a few excess overseers to take a few hits then gogo! | ||
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SacredCoconut
Finland121 Posts
If you make double wall on the main with it, id asume you can defend it. | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On July 13 2013 01:25 SacredCoconut wrote: If you make double wall on the main with it, id asume you can defend it. Ahhh like with both CCs? haha would have to try it, the bust comes pretty early  around 5:20 | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
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CivilAnarchy
United States59 Posts
On August 15 2013 22:47 TangSC wrote: Just want to point out I've still been using this style to great effect, although I do the first barrel only on smaller 2-player maps like Akilon and Neoplanet. Terrans can wall their expansion in time on bigger maps like newkirk. The 2 base timing is still an incredibly strong approach to mid-game ZvT! Do you have any stream clips of doing this in the recent metagame? I've tried it against Masters level players, and it just seems to not work at all anymore. | ||
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grassHAT
United States40 Posts
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HanSomPa
United States87 Posts
On August 16 2013 01:05 grassHAT wrote: if only Jaedong could have read this thread... I guess.. it'd work in a tournament format. Jaedong would still lose 4-2 or 4-1. This wouldn't work twice against a leet korean progamer, on a good day anyway | ||
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Sogetsu
514 Posts
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SorrowShine
698 Posts
I can really feel how my lings micro improving doing all this harrasment early game. Cool. Some games are just won by first 14 lings ... hehe And macroing behind attack is also getting much better | ||
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phrenzy
United Kingdom478 Posts
I practiced this build for 4 days. At first it was just tons of games with no opponent, then against progressively harder AI. Though it wont be Cheater Insane, i can only beat that with super greedy play. I spent that time perfecting my drone production, overlord timings, evo timings, gas timing, ling micro and tumor production. It has gotten to the point when a missed single inject has a significant effect or my 2nd Attack. I used to wonder how many builds Koreans use that they practice over and over, i now know they must do builds like these. The timing is so strong for it to be just a simple macro play It is something that has to be planned and executed to perfection for maximum efficiency. When i used it on the ladder after being able to do it in my sleep, one guy said that i had to be cheating or i had 4 bases because i had so many units (60+). I don't know how you go about creating these builds, build optimizer? Either way, if you could design something for zvz or zvp that would be amazing. I know of your early attack zvz build but if there is something a bit more like this where the attack a little more layered, and macro oriented (with the ling zvz build i find it can get shutdown really efficiently today) . Im a very mechanical player that loses a lot due to the strategies of my opponents. So you can imagine this build is very liberating for me as it allows me to attack and macro at the same time. Since learning this build i have yet to lose a ZvT!! btw terran players, a single tank wont save you from this build. I easily took out a players who had 3 tanks sieged with one on the high ground that also got taken out. I lost all my units but i killed the natural (almost all scvs), rest tank count and widow mine count, and was saturating my third while 16 lings were at home waiting to defend a possible drop. | ||
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Mahtasooma
Germany475 Posts
On August 15 2013 22:47 TangSC wrote: Just want to point out I've still been using this style to great effect, although I do the first barrel only on smaller 2-player maps like Akilon and Neoplanet. Terrans can wall their expansion in time on bigger maps like newkirk. The 2 base timing is still an incredibly strong approach to mid-game ZvT! True, but usually they don't scout this sort of play properly and have no means to scout your lings running across the map. 50% of the terrans I encounter in diamond have their supply depot down when I directly run into the main (which you should at least try) because the time between seeing the lings and lifting your depot is 1sec at most. Terrans have to be really really quick with this. | ||
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grassHAT
United States40 Posts
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Kaltezar
Switzerland2 Posts
Your build is really helpful, I melted several Terran who tried to all-in me with it. Do you have something in the same spirit (agressivness, adapted to lower league) against Protoss ? Thanks a lot. | ||
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sobeit
2 Posts
But what's the optimal response if you arrive at your opponent's base and you see this: ![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/5yap2t.jpg) This was on Frost LE, and a 9 drone scout saw him walling in his natural. In this game I just droned up instead of the first barrel, knowing it probably wouldn't work, which allowed him to do his hellbat drops. I wonder if I should I have tried to bust the front anyways. How would you respond? | ||
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